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@Chiswick Chap: Thanks for the suggestion Mr. Chiswick Chap. Any experienced user are welcomed to help me in the reference formatting. Night Lantern (talk) 01:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Lead
the lead should summarize the whole of the article. Currently, it only summarizes geography and history.
as the nation expanded geographically and politically into Southeast Asia – why "into Southeast Asia"? Vietnam already is in Southeast Asia.
On 2 September 1945, President Hồ Chí Minh declared Vietnam's independence from France under the new name of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. – But the land remained under French occupation, which should be stated, otherwise its confusing.
In 1954, the Vietnamese declared victory in the battle of Điện Biên Phủ which took place between March and May 1954 and culminated in a major French defeat. – Somewhat repetitive (declared victory, culminated in defeat). Why not simply "In 1954, the French were defeated in the battle of Điện Biên Phủ", or similar?
The current reference style is really unconventional and makes the article heavier in size. Given that geography articles like this one should be comprehensive and succinct, I personally don't support the current reference style. But I want to hear comments from the contributor. Looking forward to that — HĐ (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
@Night Lantern: I believe user Night Lantern is the contributor of this reference style. Do you have any comment regarding my opinion? — HĐ (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
@Night Lantern: Thank you for addressing my concern. With the data of articles' size, I would argue that the difference in size is due to the content rather than reference style. That said, I am completely OK with any preferable style, but I want to know if there is any significant advantage of the current reference style to the previous one. The change you made indicated the article's size increased by 104,998 bytes, which is very considerable because the content is merely the same. I personally prefer the current reference style for academic journals or books, but not for online websites. — HĐ (talk) 08:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
@HĐ: You're welcome, thank you also for pointing this issue. That's right, generally it is only "article tidiness issues" since at the time before starting to rewriting it..I feel the latter style seems to be more tidy than the basic reference style, taking Rwanda (with current featured status) as another example using the style other than Hong Kong with only 161,289 bytes. Regarding to its current size that have been increasing, it is not the work of me alone since the article have been expanded and divided into several more sections by three different users as you can see on the history (", , "). At first, I wish the article to be less divided but somehow other editors seems to think otherwise. Night Lantern (talk) 08:58, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Zingaresetalk · contribs 18:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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So is there an official language or not? The bulk of the article implies that Vietnamese is the official language, but the infobox says no, and cites an article saying that Vietnamese isn't the official language --Dramartistic (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Depends on whether you interpret "national language" as "official language" or not. Vietnamese is specified as the "national language" in the constitution. In practice, all interactions a person has with the government would also be in this language. DHN (talk) 01:44, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Someone edited vietnam anthem so it contains rude words in english caption. For example the text should be "for the nation" and it is "for the D*cks" I can´t edit the page. please fix it asap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladislav Cajhan (talk • contribs) 10:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for informing us about this issue. I have accordingly reverted the vandalism;) HĐ (talk) 10:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
i am a vietnamese .This page is wrong officially in vietnamese is "Cộng hòa Xã hội Chủ nghĩa Việt Nam" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Havodich (talk • contribs) 11:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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change the year in the text about transportation
"Vietnam will have another seven international airports by 2015" to
"Vietnam will have another seven international airports by 2025"
- it is an obvious mistake as can be seen from the context - all other references in that paragraph are about 2025 sarma (talk) 15:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Done; probably a glitch, but that was an easy fix. Thanks, HĐ (talk) 06:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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I've noticed that the hyperlinks in the "Religion" section link to the general Catholic Church page and I thought it might be more useful and relevant to have at least one of them link to the more specific Catholic Church in Vietnam page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.231.32 (talk) 11:16, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change any dates written with BC or AD to be written with BCE or CE. 174.63.196.239 (talk) 17:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Not done: Per the simplified manual of style AD and BC, or CE and BCE can be used. Since AD and BC is already in use in this article, there is no need for a change. {{replyto}}Can I Log In's(talk) page 17:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I think this article needs some clarification but I'm not qualified enough to know how to fix it.
When discussing the parliament, the article states that it is open to all parties, but later on in the human rights section, it says that all other parties other than the Communist Party are illegal. Is this a contradiction or am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryce66 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Open to "all parties", as long as they're approved by the Vietnamese Fatherland Front. In practice, about >90% of National Assembly members are Communists, while about <10% are nonaffiliated. DHN (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
DHN: So both claims in the article are wrong, right? The legislature is open to all parties. and [...]the operation of all other political parties being outlawed. This would need clarification in both sections. --MarioGom (talk) 09:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
MarioGom I'm not sure what the "all parties" means - they probably don't mean political parties, as all other political parties are banned since 1988 (before that, other parties were allowed, such as the Democratic Party of Vietnam, but they had to exist under the auspices of the VFF). All the non-Communist members of the NA are independent - they don't belong to any political party. DHN (talk) 19:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
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The island of Phú Quốc (or in Cambodian "Koh Tral") is currently under administration of Vietnam (as a district of Kiên Giang) and most people living on the island are Vietnamese. Historically, it has been colonised from the old Khmer Empire territory by a Chinese-Vietnamese man called "Mạc Cửu" who lived in Đàng Trong (a region which covers whole Southern part of the kingdom of Đại Việt) and supported Nguyễn Lords (the de facto rulers of the region back then). Despite being a disputed territory, the second image of both Vietnam and Cambodia articles shows that the island is a territory of Cambodia. However, the article Phú Quốc on the other hand states that the island is Vietnamese territory (there isn't even the Cambodian name "Koh Tral"!). As a Vietnamese wikipedia user, I find this insulting and unprofessional and request for an update for the articles. NhatMinh1701 (talk) 14:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Not done: See my response to your identical comment at Talk:Cambodia. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Since Hongbang is a legendary, Vietnam's first formation of Imperial dynasty is in 204 BCE (Zhao dynasty) and vanished in 30 August, 1945 (Bao Dai), not 1802! ~anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.255.223.72 (talk) 17:20, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
...yet that is used in single quote marks in the article, instead the source (BBC) 353 provides a comment from a journalist as follows:
"but it still remains "very much a deep-rooted habit", according to Linh Nguyen, a journalist with the BBC's Vietnamese service."
Please update. 'Irresistible' is not substantiated and also paints a very different - and misleading - picture to 'deep-rooted'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamWard1985 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Late, but I have changed the sentence to "though some noted that the consumption of dog meat will remain an ingrained habit among many people". Seloloving (talk) 23:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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I am sorry.
This chapter is unfortunately a full propaganda for the communist Viet Minh.
1) It gives the impression, that only and only Viet Minh ist the unique resistance movement against the french colonialists, what it is not true. At this time the communist Viet Minh was fully supported with weapons by the commununist Russia and China. The other vietnamese resistance movements, e.g. vietnamese Kuo Ming Tang, were systematically eliminated and destroyed by the communist Viet Minh.
The Geneva Accords of 1954 was more or less an agreement between the french colonialists and the communist Viet Minh. No more.
Neither the french colonialists nor the communist Viet Minh has represented South Vietnam. That ist the main reason, why South Vietnam never recognizes the Geneva Accords of 1954.
2) Remark to the map showing the "Situation of the First Indochina War at the end of 1954":
Question: Where does the map come from? From which source of information? From the french colonialists? From the communist Viet Minh?
NEITHER THE SOURCE COMING THE FRENCH COLONIALISTS NOR FROM THE COMMUNIST VIET MINH IS TRUSTWORTHY.
3) Remaek to "... The defeat of French colonialists and Vietnamese loyalists in the 1954 battle of Điện Biên Phủ allowed Hồ Chí Minh to negotiate a ceasefire from a favourable position at the subsequent Geneva Conference..":
The usage of the wording LOYALIST is an INSULT to the Vietnamese National Army.
By the way:
The article is mainly based on the source of information coming either from the former french colonialists or from the USA or from the communist Hanoi Regime.
Source of information coming from the Republic of Viet Nam is fully missed.This information lack gives doubt to the objectivity of the article.
Beautiful Bavaria (talk) 16:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome to add information regarding other resistance movements that took part in the war for Vietnamese independence, there appears to be relevant information at Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng, which seems to be the "vietnamese Kuo Ming Tang" that you reference. If you follow the sourcing on the map it appears to be created based on two German language books, so neither French nor Vietnamese sources. As for your final complaint you're also welcome to change this wording from "loyalists" to simply a reference to the Vietnamese National Army. Hope that helps. 68.42.73.202 (talk) 09:28, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
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In the section "Culture": "Despite this, there is are Chinatowns in the south" 80.3.103.8 (talk) 13:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
To use the term french protectorate is misleading. To call it protection was a colonial tactic to make it look better. Let's keep it honest and change it to: came under french occupation in 1887 Open first (talk) 08:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Somebody did a lot of editing to the list of provinces by that map of the provinces. I had recently done some substantial editing myself. Some of the new edits I don't have a problem with. Unfortunately, the ones that are problematic are also the ones that need by far the most work to change individually. So I'm going to revert the whole thing, and if it's decided that some of the newest edits should be there, it's not difficult to put them in. Let me run through things.
The biggest problem is, someone removed the numbers I had added to each province and municipality in the list. I had matched the provinces on the list to those on the map--where the provinces are numbered; they are a key to the map, and I really think they should stay.
I had rearranged the list from four columns to three columns. On my screen, at least, with three columns the list lines up alongside the map. Someone changed it back to four columns. Now the map sits on the left and the list sits on the right, but since they don't fit side by side, the list goes awkwardly underneath the map (and the page requires more scrolling than it needs to).
A small detail: I had slightly reordered the regions to begin with Northwest, Northeast, Red River. I thought it made a logical sequence from the top left down to the bottom (it also, VERY approximately, runs from low-numbered to higher-numbered provinces). Someone reversed that. But I'm not so in love with the way I did it that I'm going to dispute it. My revert will necessarily put it back the way I had it, but I won't make an issue if someone to change it back.
A trivial one: Within the lists of regions, I moved the five Centrally Controlled Municipalities from the bottom of each list to the top. I'm not sure why I did that, except that the five of them had numbers 1 through 5 on the map, and I guess I thought it looked more sensible with those numbers given first. Someone moved them back. But again, that's a detail I won't quibble over.
A tricky one! I had moved two provinces, Lào Cai and Yên Bái from the Northeast Region to the Northwest. Someone moved them back. I moved them because I'd thought that they were incorrectly listed in Northeast. Since then, I've gathered that these two provinces belong to one region but are often considered as being in the other. I thought of annotating that detail, but the only source I've been able to find about that (I don't know Vietnamese) is Wikipedia itself. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Just a note. I got that map from Vietnamese wikipedia and I am not totally sure where the numbers are even from. I can find out later. - Running 03:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I _think_ the original authors on the VN wiki just made the numbers up. They are _not_ ISO 3166-2:VN numbers. - Running 03:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
We can use the ISO numbers and be done with it, but those skip some numbers because of how the provinces changed (there is no vn-08, and the municipalities have no numbers but just letters). When the government lists the provinces, in census data for example, they use a different ordering. But I guess we can use ISO. - Running 04:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I pretty much PRESUMED the numbers were assigned by whatever individual created the map. I don't think it occurred to me to think otherwise--in fact I've contemplated reorganizing them a bit in the northwest area. But still, the map is here, the list is here--the numbers on the map, by themselves, don't help the reader much, without them following links. So I put matching numbers on the list of provinces. Uporządnicki (talk) 11:55, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Running I just reread what you wrote, and I think I need to clarify something. The problem isn't the numbers on the map. The problem is that after I put the numbers on the list to match the ones on the map, someone undertook to take the numbers off the list. I don't know why. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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Request for an update on "human rights and freedom" in Viet Nam, considering that the country enjoys considerable amounts of freedom-of-press judging by Vietnamese news outlets such as Zing (https://zingnews.vn/) and Lao Dong Online (https://laodong.vn/). It seems that is primarily anti-state media that is banned within Viet Nam. 124.168.91.91 (talk) 08:05, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I understand that what I'm about to say will raise eyebrows. I hope that what is written here will not come off as arrogant, but more of a reflection of worldwide inequality. I personally cannot rely on many sources of information anymore since their world views belong primarily within the Christian Anglo-Western Sphere - which is what the article's tone of voice is mostly in. However, as a astute student of the Vietnamese language (and having visited the country several times to visit family), I have gained an enhanced understanding of Vietnamese culture as a result and it is getting more and more difficult to trust outside outlets looking into Vietnam's internal affairs, or to trust published academic sources judging other nations/peoples/groups in general. Western propaganda specifically has forced countries such as South Korea to swallow false narratives, which creates an overt environment of bullying neighbouring Asian cultures (like China, Vietnam, Southeast Asia continent). South Korea benefits from being "part of the club" with countries such as the US in such a way that the judgement piled on the rest of the Asian countries lies with how much of a US ally those Asian countries are. Negative judgement of particular countries has in turn created cultures where having to "chịu khó" or "suffer" from negative judgement is developing at a very high rate. I guess what I wish to say is that this Wikipedia article is incredibly biased towards a tarnishing point of view of Vietnam as a ""poor country"" with ""poor human rights"", when in reality it is a middle-income country where its citizens have achieved incredible educational success. Provision of basic services has improved significantly and access to households and infrastructure services has increased dramatically. 124.168.91.91 (talk) 08:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Someone has made a very strange edit to the list of provinces and municipalities that sits next to the map of the same. It's now very scrunched up, and awkward to read. I did notice that that individual made several attempts before getting it the way it is, which suggests that it wasn't meant simply as mischief.
I went to the User's Talk Page to ask him about it (he does say that he is a he). But on the way, I noticed that 1) he almost never adds an edit summary, and 2) he's been involved in a number of contentious exchanges in which he denies that he is edit warring.
Anybody have any comments on what this guy has done? It does occur to me that it might have something to do with reading the page on different sorts of devices; I ONLY ever open Wikipedia on desktop computers. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
It appears fine on my screen, but it does seem like the kind of formatting that could easily lead to access issues. Did the previous colwidth work better on your screen? CMD (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
It worked very nicely. It was all just about the width of the body of the article. The captions and place names mostly fit each into one line. There was comfortable space between the columns. And it didn't all stretch way above and way below the map. The way it was set up before was largely my editing. But in doing things like that, I'm always looking things up and finding examples to imitate--so I'd have to go back to find out how I did it. And I don't want an edit war, if there is a good reason for this new way (easier for handheld devices?). Uporządnicki (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
For me the spaces between the columns are the same, just the column's position on the page is different. Checking on mobile, the columns appear below the image. CMD (talk) 01:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I just reorganized it a few minutes ago. I don't know if you tried it before or after I did that. Before that, for me, the columns with the province names were so narrow that all the Region headings and most of the province names had line breaks. Uporządnicki (talk) 03:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Vietnam is predominantly a source country for trafficked persons who are exploited for labour.[251] A number of citizens, primarily women and girls, from all ethnic groups in Vietnam and foreigners have been victims of sex trafficking in Vietnam.[252][253]. "
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"Vietnam is predominantly a source country for trafficked persons who are exploited for labour.[251] A number of citizens, primarily women and girls, from all ethnic groups in Vietnam and foreigners have been victims of sex trafficking in Vietnam.[252][253]. This has prompted the need for stronger border security between neighbouring countries, especially between China and Vietnam. [1][2][3]Introductionneeded (talk) 09:03, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Not done: The second and third source are the same. The second only talks about smuggling of goods, and illegal immigration. The first says "According to Professor Thayer, although smuggling might not be the main reason behind China's recent border reinforcement measures, illegal cross-border activity has been a major headache for both China and Vietnam since 1979, when the war between the two countries ceased. The persistent criminal network of smugglers on both sides, with the help of local officials and security forces, led to a series of issues, including the illicit trafficking of Vietnamese women to China, Professor Thayer said." It seems like the main reasons for the border walls/border security – at least according to those sources – is the smuggling of goods, and curbing illegal migration between the two countries. Feel free to re-open the request if you can find sources substantiating the view that human trafficking is what prompted the increased border security. Volteer1 (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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Mr. Vương Đình Huệ has just taken office Chairman of National Assembly of Vietnam. Please change Chairman of National Assembly of Vietnam in Wikipedia page VietnamQuang Nhật Lê (talk) 04:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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Vương Đình Huệ is chairwoman? Image? Quang Nhật Lê (talk) 09:46, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
It's unclear what edit you would like made. Please explain the exact edit you would like made and provide sources. If you would like an image added please provide an image with no copyright issues. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
I fixed the mistake. Thanks for pointing that out. Ltn12345 (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change image of chairman in Government and politics part Quang Nhật Lê (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Terasail[✉] 23:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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In the introduction, the last paragraph, the sentence starting with "Perceptions of Vietnamese urban citizens rated Viet Nam's corruption transparency poorly..." Change "Viet Nam" to "Vietnam." This is the only location in the entire article in which this spelling ("Viet Nam") is used. Unless there is some reason that it is spelled this way in this sentence that I'm unaware of, it should be changed to match the spelling which is used everywhere else in the article. Mlb96 (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Done―Qwerfjkl|𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂(please use{{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 18:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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Vietnam was listed as a developing country up until 2019 by the UN, until the US delisted Vietnam as a developing nation in 2020.[13] This is misleading. By many metrics, Vietnam is still considered a developing country (cue IMF). The fact that the US delisted Vietnam as a developing country has no meaning--it is used only for US domestic purposes of economic aids. The current phrasing is misleading. I suggest removing the whole US stuff, and retaining Vietnam is a developing economy only.
One more thing, Vietnam is a regional power,[10] can be WP:UNDUE. Citing a recent research paper from the University of California may be credible, but I don't think that one paper makes it objective to state that Vietnam is a regional power, at least too soon. Ippantekina (talk) 04:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
The source for the US removal of Vietnam as a developing country explains itself: On February 10, the U.S. removed Vietnam [...] from its internal list of developing countries enjoying special trade preferences regarding countervailing duties (CVD)."Ippantekina (talk) 02:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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HDI is 0.704 Not 0.708 The Mark-7032 (talk) 12:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 23:07, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
In the "Economy" section, the article states that "the five-year economic plans [were] replaced by the socialist-oriented market mechanism." However, Vietnam's government has continuously issued five year plans from 1961 to the present, as detailed in Five-Year Plans of Vietnam.
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Vietnam is the fifthteenth-most populous country in the world, not the sixteenth-most like the Wikipedia page attests. 2600:1002:B00E:E5C7:7581:7DD4:FECC:D736 (talk) 05:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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This casualty estimate "A 1974 US Senate subcommittee estimated nearly 1.4 million Vietnamese civilians were killed or wounded between 1965 and 1974—over half as the result of US and South Vietnamese military actions" should be move because it is chronologically in the wrong place. It is placed in between mention of the 1968 Tet offensive and Vietnamization which started in 1969. There's no reason it should be here. The source says it is a 1975 US Senate subcommittee estimate and not a 1974 one and doesn't mention "over half as the result of US and South Vietnamese military actions" either. The source also states that of those 1.4 million casualties, 415,000 were killed, which might make the figure easier to understand if included. Anyway, this estimate should be incorporated with the other casualty estimates here " The war left Vietnam devastated, with the total death toll between 966,000 and 3.8 million".92.26.3.125 (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm requesting this sentence "A 1974 US Senate subcommittee estimated nearly 1.4 million Vietnamese civilians were killed or wounded between 1965 and 1974—over half as the result of US and South Vietnamese military actions.[148]" be moved to chronologically correct place and corrected per the source. It should be moved to the next section and incorporated with other Vietnam War casualty estimates like this "The war left Vietnam devastated, with the total death toll between 966,000 and 3.8 million.[154][155][156] A 1975 US Senate subcommittee estimated nearly 1.4 million Vietnamese civilian casualties between 1965 and 1974 including 415,000 killed.[148]". 92.26.17.140 (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2021 (UT
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲(talk) 07:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
The line "A 1974 US Senate subcommittee estimated nearly 1.4 million Vietnamese civilians were killed or wounded between 1965 and 1974—over half as the result of US and South Vietnamese military actions.[148]" should be moved to the following section and with alongside other Vietnam War casualties and read "The war left Vietnam devastated, with the total death toll between 966,000 and 3.8 million.[154][155][156] A 1975 US Senate subcommittee estimated nearly 1.4 million Vietnamese civilian casualties between 1965 and 1974 including 415,000 killed.[148]". It's very very clear what I'm asking for. I have already explained clearly by saying "change x to y". Currently the line I'm asking to change is in a confusing place and misrepresented according to the existing reliable source.92.26.3.125 (talk) 09:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Not done: The section Vietnam War seems relevant enough for a sentence about the results of US and South Vietnamese military actions. The time period it refers to is the same time period the section is talking about. Of course the Senate investigation was done after the fact–they're not going to be investigating it while it's happening.
Note: Here is a verifying source for the requested new text "including 415,000 killed." ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲talk 08:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I'll explain a final time to clarify because there seems to be some confusion, the text is certainly relevant to the section but it should be integrated with the other casualty figures and it's not currently in the correct place chronologically. It's a 1975 figure placed in between mention of the 1968 Tet offensive and withdrawal of troops beginning in 1970 which is very confusing and out of place. In addition the current wording misrepresents the source as made clear by the verifying source you linked, with the citation not actually estimating who caused what percentage of casualties.92.26.3.125 (talk) 12:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
The etymology section is a wall of text right now. Could someone add a few paragraph breaks? I'm thinking before "In the early 8th century BC", before "By the 17th and 18th centuries AD", before "In 1802", and before "Between 1804 and 1813" at the very least. Justin Kunimune (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add the audio file for the song "File:National Anthem Of Vietnam.ogg" to the page under the anthem section. 70.119.103.237 (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: This is a direct copy/paste from the source. Also, where would corrected prose be added? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Maybe something like: "Vietnam was an impoverished state after experiencing myriads of conflicts, including the Chinese and Cambodian wars which left Vietnam in a devastated condition that was left politically and economically isolated for decades. By the time Vietnam achieved some modicum of peace, economic reform, as well as reestablishing and establishing diplomatic ties, only 14 percent of the population had electrical lighting in 1993, which then went up to 99% of the population having access to electrical lighting following rapid industrialization in a span of 23 years." Changeanew (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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Vietnam is 331,292 km² according to a few sources. Change the area of Vietnam in the article please, thank you. TroubleDouble VN (talk) 15:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (CC)Tbhotch™ 15:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
In the fourth paragraph it has mentioned:
"It has assumed a seat on the United Nations Security Council twice. Contemporary issues in Vietnam include corruption and a poor human rights record."
I believe that this section lacks of neutrality, or at least it needed a precise citation as I doubt that it is considered as a "common knowledge".
P/s: I am not denying that Vietnam actually has issues about those things, BUT I doubt that it is suitable for the opening section.
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In the ethnic group, it is stated that "85.32% Vietnamese", actually the citation mentioned about 85.32% Kinh. The previous editor is misunderstanding ethnic group and nationality when translating the original document. Randevas (talk) 18:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Done However, I invited others to revert my edit in the edit description if it proves controversial. Alduin2000 (talk) 15:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
@Bbx118: I don't think you understand what I wanted to say. I think we can use 2 sources for the religion section.
The first one is "2019 Report on International Religious Freedom: Vietnam" by U.S. Department of State, using the estimation from Government Committee for Religious Affairs (GCRA). "According to January 2018 statistics released by the Government Committee for Religious Affairs (GCRA), 26.4 percent of the population is categorized as religious believers participating in registered activities: 14.9 percent Buddhist, 7.4 percent Roman Catholic, 1.5 percent Hoa Hao Buddhist, 1.2 percent Cao Dai, and 1.1 percent Protestant." The report also said that "others have no religious affiliation or practice animism or the veneration of ancestors, tutelary and protective saints, national heroes, or local, respected persons." This is the source currently used in the infobox.
The second one is 2019 Vietnamese census, conducted by the General Statistics Office of Vietnam. According to the census, around 86% of the population are classified as Tôn giáo không (lit. no religion). You can see the statistics in the pie chart.
Không theo tôn giáo or Tôn giáo không (No religion) (86.32%)
Công giáo (Catholicism) (6.1%)
Phật giáo (Buddhism) (4.79%)
Hòa Hảo (1.02%)
Tin Lành (Protestantism) (1%)
Others (0.78%)
Let me give a little bit of background here, the majority of Vietnamese people (including me) do not follow any organized religion. For example, I practice ancestor worship and go to pagoda/temple a dozen times a year as a tradition but I don't consider myself as a Buddhist and I don't know anything about Buddhism. I registered as Tôn giáo không. Vietnamese folk religion is not really an organized religion, I believe, but a set of local worship traditions. Everyone seems to observe some form of folk religion, some practices/customs/traditions...Many also blend traditional practices with religious teachings, like Buddhism. Sometimes, there is no clear boundary between local folk religious practice and some religions. I usually call Vietnamese folk religion "tín ngưỡng dân gian" (which can be roughly translated as folk beliefs) not "tôn giáo" (lit. religion) and think of it more as custom or tradition than religion. I also think the term used in the 2019 census is a catch-all term that can refer to anyone who do not follow any organized religion, including atheist, or those did not believe in any sort of spirit or life force, or "spiritual but not affiliated".
The source you mention is a survey by Pew Research Center published in 2012. According to the survey, they estimated that 45.3% of the population belonging to folk religions. The source did not mention the percentage of "No religion" (which you claimed to be 28.4%), nor the percentage of adherents of other religions. You can't use the number from DoS & Pew Research Center and simply subtract it like that. You can't "combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source". That is Synthesis of published material
Understood. Thank you for your explanation!
BBX118 18:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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The "Agriculture" subsection opens by saying that Vietnam's excessive agricultural production is a result of its communist land reform, but this original statement has no citations backing it up. Their agricultural output seems to just line up with their population pretty closely, so I don't think any explanation is needed. OECD notes that Vietnam improved its production over the 90s and 00s but also that government land laws are holding back scaling up production.[1] An academic paper on the subject states, "These divisions and accumulations of land have created a great deal of disturbance in the way of organizing agricultural production and rural economy. The central planning mechanism, in particular, the model of agricultural cooperatives, a popular mode of farming production before Doi Moi, has not worked effectively"[2] I think the stated text should be removed or perhaps changed to "Despite the constraints of several land reform measures, Vietnam…" Jumper4677 (talk) 14:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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I request to edit this article because I want to extend the human rights section. I feel like it does not go over specifics, and pretty much says that the situation in bad, and that it's a one party state. I would like to include more details like the situation of press and other freedoms. Vietnam is rated as a "very bad" situation according to RSF, and the government has developed "Force 47" and is a team of more than 10k personnel cracking down of dissidence. would also like to add more points on the section, like education indoctrination. Marxism-Leninism is a required class in Vietnamese schools. Thanks! I hope you understand. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 23:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Really guys? CaoNgo (talk) 17:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Will need to expand on the idea.....as simply saying it's legal is not the whole picture is it. Moxy- 03:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
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Include a credible assessment of post-reform Vietnam at the bottom of the "Reunification and reforms" section:
The World Bank considers Vietnam to be a development success story:
Economic reforms since the launch of Đổi Mới in 1986, coupled with beneficial global trends, have helped propel Vietnam from being one of the world’s poorest nations to a middle-income economy in one generation. Between 2002 and 2021, GDP per capita increased 3.6 times, reaching almost US$3,700. Poverty rates (US$1.90/day) declined sharply from over 32 percent in 2011 to below 2 percent.[1]
Not done: That would be a copyright violation. We can't copy text wholesale from sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Vietnam isn’t one of the fastest growing economies. It’s in the bottom 35% I believe.
Should I change this? FinnSoThin (talk) 04:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
In recent years, the Vietnamese state has preferred the spelling of "Viet Nam" (2 seperate words with a space in between) instead of "Vietnam" as a single word. Cases that "Viet Nam" is found is in the new passport, the new ID card, in the official Government's site, and in recent national events' branding such as ASEAN Viet Nam 2020 or the 2021 Southeast Asian Games. As the Government of Vietnam is doing a movement that is somehow similar to Turkey with Turkiye (note that Vietnam's designation in the United Nations is also "Viet Nam" since the beginning), we should recognize the name "Viet Nam" in someway corresponding to the recent policies.
I would suggest "Viet Nam (___), also commonly recognized as Vietnam, officially the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam, is a country..." Hwi.padam (talk) 09:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Government of Vietnam not do somthing to try changing Vietnam to Viet Nam in other languages, by rules or regulations to make it like Turkey, Cote d'Ivore or Timor-Leste. They still use three ways Vietnam - Viet Nam - Việt Nam. All of the above names are official. Eg: CPV's English home page https://en.dangcongsan.vn/
Further more, they still use adjective Vietnamese, not Viet Namese. 183.80.234.183 (talk) 13:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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In the introductory paragraph, the English describing the borders is confusingly wrong. Change the verb usage of "borders" to "is bordered by". Dwvisser (talk) 15:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Not done: See wikt:border#Verb, definition 3 and its example. I do see that there was a lack of parallel structure, which I have fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to add that information to the article it is also well sourced information GenZenny💖 (talk) 03:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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I want to transfer this code from | capital = [[Hanoi]]
to | capital =[[File:Emblem of Hanoi.svg|23px]] [[Hanoi]] Thanks! —Vp08122010 (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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Fix run-on sentence in header.
Beginning shortly thereafter was the Vietnam War, the conflict between communist North supported by the Soviet Union and China, and anti-communist South supported by the United States. Quangson306 (talk) 05:37, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Done I have fixed that sentence and tidied up the text following it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:54, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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At the infobox,Presidential section,Edit:Võ Thị Ánh Xuân(Temporarily acting) becomes Võ Văn Thưởng Duongw ad (talk) 03:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 16:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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Total area of the country was reduced without any source to back this reduced figure up. Therefore, that edit should be reverted until the appropriate source can be provided. Latin Beau 03:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Emblem of Vietnam (fixed for revision).svg Lee Gok Da (talk) 16:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. The cited source is reasonable for what this article says today. Please establish a consensus for your requested edit. Izno (talk) 17:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
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To update towards the 2023 estimates for economic figures.
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Some of the language choices used on this page are very bizarre. Public schools are described as "state-controlled" and political posters are described as "propaganda". I've never seen these language choices used in wiki pages for American/Canadian pages. It feels like these terms are more acceptable on wiki pages featuring non-white and non-English speaking countries. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 04:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
@The History Wizard of Cambridge I see nothing wrong with calling the posters "propaganda". That's what they're officially called by their creators (áp phích cổ động, áp phích tuyên truyền), for example . As you're no doubt aware, "propaganda" has a different connotation in socialist countries than in capitalist countries. DHN (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
@The History Wizard of Cambridge Sounds like you're using this talkpage as a soapbox. I don't think those parties call their posters "propaganda". DHN (talk) 05:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Vietnam regained independence from China in 1427, not 1428; so someone needs to fix the information in the introduction table. 2401:D800:5F70:E4C7:94CC:DC07:976A:C9C1 (talk) 17:33, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
As I understand, Le Loi drove out the Ming army in 1427, but established the Later Le dynasty and regained independence in 1428.Roy Bateman (talk) 10:36, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
The Ming Dynasty recognized Vietnam as independent in 1427, but Vietnam only had a new dynasty 1 year later. 2401:D800:F191:9C67:BD85:F3D9:A880:91CA (talk) 06:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
In the intro it says Vietnam “share” a border. Shouldn’t it be shares? Despressso (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Fixed, before noticing this conversation. I've also made some other edits, particularly to the climate section. Graham87 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
"Vietnamese science students working on an experiment in their university lab"
--Very much looks like a staged photo meant for a university website. Is this really appropriate for Wikipedia? 108.4.212.116 (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
Vietnam’s governmental and political system is a "Unitary Marxist-Lenist One-Party Socialist Republic 2400:4050:8841:EE00:9D4F:BE47:C63F:5E67 (talk) 16:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Do you have a source to support this? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Another typo that I cannot fix, because the page is locked (Extended confirmed protection) is in the Government and Politics section, Foreign relations sub section. The sentence in the second paragraph about Bill Clinton's visit should read "made a historic visit to Vietnam . . ." The "a" is missing. Packzap (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Typo: the percentage of Buddhists in the country is wrongly stated to be merely "4.79%" when it should be 14.79%, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Vietnam and the cited report to UN. 152.37.225.17 (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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}} Tag Korp United (talk) 14:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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There are three edit requests below; hope you could help, thank you. Laitydegas (talk) 08:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Considering the damage caused to various cultures, facilitating slavery - for one example, it seems right to remove the "Honourable" from "Honourable East India Company". It is known by both names. 118.210.71.207 (talk) 10:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Should this page protection be reduced? 183.80.18.189 (talk) 15:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
You can message the admin who protected this page to see. TheRichCapitalist (talk) 04:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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I saw an account that changed the year of Vietnam's independence from China from 939 to 938 in the infobox: I think this is wrong information because 938 was only the year the Vietnamese defeated the Chinese army in Bạch Đằng, Vietnam became independent from China in 939 when this year they declared a new dynasty (the Ngô dynasty) to replace Chinese rule legally, even in the link it mentions "Ngô dynasty" but not Bạch Đằng battle. 171.224.177.62 (talk) 11:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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I want to change the year 938 to 939 when displaying the year Vietnam gained independence from China in the infobox. 2403:E200:96E:502C:83C:B7:D53C:7AB3 (talk) 08:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Vietnam gained independence from China when the Ngô dynasty was founded in 939, not 938. See Vietnam under Chinese rule. Even at the beginning of this article, it mentions: "The Han dynasty annexed Northern and Central Vietnam under Chinese rule from 111 BC, until the first dynasty emerged in 939". 2403:E200:96E:502C:83C:B7:D53C:7AB3 (talk) 09:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
When I read again the Statistical Yearbook 2020 by General Statistics Office, Ministry of Planning and Investment published in 2021, I was startled to see that Hanoi's area is larger than 3,348 km2, while Ho Chi Minh City is only about 2,095 km2. In En Wiki had municipalities of 2 city. See here. Can someone help me change the data in the lagest_city section to capital? Vp08122010 (talk) 14:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
There is no citation for the first page of this entry. Up until the history subsection there is absolutely no citation. 107.171.251.186 (talk) 06:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
@107.171.251.186 Didn't you see the citations in the etymology section? Per the style guide it's not necessary to have citations in the lede since the information will be repeated in the body anyways. DHN (talk) 08:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Most of the country's urban water supply systems have been developed without proper management within the last 10 years."
- I think the 10 years is outdated now - but I don't know when this was written. It may need additional references
Patate324 (talk) 15:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I Don't agree with the census data. In reality more than 75% of the total vietnam people are follow Buddhism. Swaraj02 (talk) 12:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Please find Wikipedia:Reliable sources to support your claim. Then we can change this article based on those sources. Regards, Mgnbar (talk) 16:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
First, don't be confused between true buddhism v.s. Vietnamese folk religion which may be misunderstood as buddhism in the Vietnamese context due to its strong association to buddhist culture. Second, the government-made 2019 Vietnamese census (EnglishViet) is the only standard report that we use here, and this extremely-official census only account less than 5 million Vietnamese or less than 5% of the population being buddhist. Đâu ra cái thông tin 70% người VN theo đạo Phật thế? Đọc Tổng điều tra dân số và nhà ở năm 2019 chưa? đừng có lộn với tín ngưỡng dân gian! Hwi.padam 03:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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I would like for the official name of Vietnam in the Wikipedia page to be the “Socialist Republic of Vietnam”, not the “Socialist Republic of Viet Nam”. The space is only used in Vietnamese, not English. 171.244.185.182 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Already done. Annh07 (talk) 07:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
You missed a few province there. I don't remember what are they, but I pretty sure there are 63 provinces.TheRedsAreMarching1223 04:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
@User:TheRedsAreMarching1223 I think you must be including the five municipalities--the five cities that don't belong to any province, and are at the same level as a province. They are numbered 1 through 5 on the interactive map. So, 58 provinces plus 5 cities with the status of provinces comes to 63 entities at the province level. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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