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General discussionComment: Perhaps this is WP:TOO SOON for some of these MPs-elecect? Vanessa Weenink has just an 83 vote lead prior to specials, Blair Cameron has just 54 and Angee Nicholas only 30. None of them are likely to be elected off the list either. Perhaps the DYK nomination could be put under the name of an MP more certain of being elected such as Tom Rutherford whose provisional majority is 13,182 votes? Kiwichris (talk) 01:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
And of those who are both new to parliament and new to Wikipedia, four of them have photos. My suggestion is that we produce a collage of those four, just as we produced a collage of the 9 in 2020 who we had photos for: Two of the four articles are as yet short of 1500 bytes of readable prose, but we'll fix that. Would someone with the right software be so kind to produce a collage of those four? Schwede66 03:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
DrThneed, Schwede66, I've been thinking about this. This is just playing with ideas, but I agree with NLH, more or less, that megahooks of this sort are tricky. I've also read all the articles in the set, and noticed the 1500+ character ones that are reasonably comfortably winners all have viable standalone hooks, some good enough it'd really be a shame to put them in a multi. Given we already have QPQs sorted for almost all that subset, it is possible to just break them out within this nomination, if that's a thing there's any enthusiasm for. There's obviously a lot of articles still to work on, and there might be good hooks that emerge for those. Not all these hooks are the-best-ever, but they're all at least "minimum viable hooks" and some are genuinely great.
These are absolutely just playing-with-ideas, not at all a hard suggestion, not at all a statement that a multihook isn't viable. But, did you know...
Campbell needs a QPQ, and Costley's isn't quite in the article yet (it's in the source, but the article is very unclear on what the video was). Otherwise, they're all eligible hooks. Some of them – Costley, Campbell, Maipi-Clarke, Luxton, Arbuckle, probably Davidson/Rutherford/Trask – are good enough it really stands out to me that we aren't running them. I'm not saying the multihook doesn't work, but, playing around with ideas, I think there are a lot of paths forward both running a multihook and running individual hooks, and they have their pros and cons. Vaticidalprophet 11:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
In any case, there's been some discussion at WT:DYK saying that if the multihook is to be accepted (and right now, consensus on whether to go ahead with it is ongoing), then it would probably need to be revised so that it would be interesting in its own right. That is, ALT0 might not be possible, but a different formulation like focusing on how at least a quarter of the MPs are new, might be possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the mechanics, I would think:
That should cover it all, I think. Unless somebody can think of other aspects. Just one issue – we can't use Reuben Davidson as a standalone nomination as he's one of the four bios where we have a photo. Schwede66 22:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Maipi-Clarke has now been nominated individually. I've struck things where appropriate, removed her from ALT1, and removed credits. Schwede66 12:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
DrThneed has nominated the other four individual nominations:
We should thus be all good. Let the review of the remaining bios start. Thanks to all who have commented and moved this along. Schwede66 00:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC) |
The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 22:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
To reviewers: This may look daunting, but it's as simple as any other nomination. Pick one article from the box below, place a note in the large table in the column 'Review status' that you are reviewing that one, and leave the review comments at the bottom of this nomination form. Review one at a time. The hook fact needs to be reviewed once only.
We will add a table below to mark off QPQs as we go (I can't figure out how to do that on this new submission template!). As we are still sorting out some of the stubs, may I suggest people don't review anything until it has a QPQ against it? We will also likely add an image. Cheers, DrThneed (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Created by DrThneed (talk), Schwede66 (talk), Idiosyncritic (talk), Pokelova (talk), Kiwichris (talk), Villian Factman (talk), MerrilyPutrid (talk), Moondragon21 (talk), and MW691 (talk). Nominated by DrThneed (talk) at 23:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vanessa Weenink; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
DrThneed and I worked on a nomination statement at the same time, not knowing that we were working in parallel. Let me post what I wrote; this also addresses the issue raised by Kiwichris. One of the things I did is organise a table with all new MPs plus sources for that; I come to 38 40 new MPs.
We've had a general election in New Zealand and just like in 2011 and 2020, we'd like to make a mass-nomination for some of the new bios of incoming members of parliament. I don't think we made similar nominations after the 2014 and 2017 elections. The election results aren't final yet and some things will change. However, it'll no doubt take a wee while to look through these nominations and therefore, I propose that we take our time and wait for the final results to come in on 3 November, adjust the nomination to suit, and then run this on the main page. I shall also outline how the electoral system works, how that in turn changes the results once the final votes come in. That's important to understand for verifying the hook facts.
We use a mixed-member proportional representation (MMP) system in New Zealand. The overall composition of parliament is determined by the party vote, where party lists are used to achieve proportionality. The other way of getting into parliament is to win an electorate outright. Some electorate votes are incredibly close (there are seven electorates where the difference in vote between the preliminary winner and the second-placed candidate are below 500 votes, with something like 33,000 votes being cast per electorate and 20% of the vote not having been included yet in the preliminary results). Those electorate results are thus uncertain. And the overall composition may change, with the special votes generally favouring the left block. There has always been change for as long as we've had MMP between preliminary and final results, and that won't be any different this time either.
In terms of the hook facts, what will change is:
What we nominate now is based on the preliminary results. I'll indicate below whether it's a close race and the candidate isn't 100% confirmed. That could be because the electorate vote is close, or the candidate is the lowest-ranked one on the list who got in. The definition that we use for "new MP" is someone who has not been in parliament before (as opposed to someone who has but wasn't there during the last term).
At this point, we have 38 39 new MPs. That is referenced in four articles by The Spinoff:
I've prepared a couple of tables but as hard as I try, I can't get them to display here. Find those tables in my sandbox. Oh, and I've currently got 7 QPQ in credit; happy to chip them in. But let us first get that table right (30 vs 39 new MPs). Schwede66 03:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
The final results were published on 3 November. As predicted, there were some changes. DrThneed and I have moved the table of new MPs to Google Docs and here's a link. Here is everything that matters:
I've thus amended the DYK header and DYK nompage links. ALT2 now provides the list of 28 new MPs that remain with this mass nomination, including the 3 new MPs who got confirmed today and whose bios got published today. I will update the 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs section so that the hook fact can be verified.
And just in case you read something about 123 MPs and Nancy Lu being a new MP, well, that's something that is going to happen on 25 November. A by-election is scheduled, which will turn one of the existing list MPs—Andrew Bayly—into an electorate MP, which creates another overhand seat, and Nancy Lu will then become the replacement list MP. Lu will be the 42nd new MP of a parliament of then 123. But that's still three weeks away and by then, this nomination will hopefully be done and dusted. Schwede66 04:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Just a wee update:
As foreshadowed above, the "final act" of the general election has now happened and Nancy Lu has become the 42nd new MP in the process. Her article was published to mainspace on 25 November. The National Party photos have come through and have been verified by the Commons permission team. That means that we'll have 21 photos to go with the new bios and TheLoyalOrder has volunteered to produce a collage (yet to be done). I've written ALT3 reflecting the new photos and Lu, and struck ALT2 (which was outdated as not all the bios that have already run had been removed). Lastly, I've now fully documented the new MPs in 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs, which serves as the hook fact. The electoral system that we use (mixed-member proportional representation) is not the most straightforward electoral system that one can think of, and if you have trouble following the description in the prose, maybe the Google Sheet (tab "changes with final results") makes things easier.
Great to see that the review process is well underway; DrThneed and I appreciate it! Schwede66 20:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
. Approved. New enough at time of nomination, having been moved to mainspace on 14 October. Meets length requirements. Sources check out; there's some use of Scoop press releases but only for non-contentious facts. Article is neutral and well-written, I've made a couple of minor fixes. No concerns from Earwig check (6.5%). The "hook" in this case is his election to Parliament which is definitely cited in the article and is approved above. I assume the picture needs to be reviewed; it looks good and appropriately licensed. Tick for QPQ by Schwede66. Overall, this one is good to go. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 01:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
. Approved.
New enough at time of nomination, having been moved to mainspace on 14 October. Meets length requirements. Each fact in the article is sourced. Article is neutral and reads fine; "at least two children" reads a bit oddly but that's what we know from the source. No concerns from Earwig check (only thing picked up is a direct quote by McCallum). Hook separately approved. Picture is good and appropriately licensed. QPQ by Lightburst, tick. Another one that is good to go. Chocmilk03 (talk) 05:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
NOTE: The following is copied from Template:Did you know nominations/James Meager; it cannot be transcluded because that separate nomination is being closed in favor of this page. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: The article would be eligible for DYK IMO,
however, a single thing stands out that destroys the nom; this article was created in October and last made in November, so unfortunately I am going to fail this. Having since discovered that this is apart of a broader process, I am reversing my decision and suggesting a pass. — Knightoftheswords 17:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC) — Knightoftheswords 13:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Expanded three refs, fixed a typo, but I am concerned about the undue weight issues with said refs concerning the New Conservatives Party, especially since two of them are primary (one of them is FB) and the article could really use a secondary source like this. Otherwise looks good. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Had to remove an unverifiable detail sourced to a now-private YouTube video, but otherwise looks good. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
worked on projectsis fairly unspecific, and
in the role of Kaiārahicould use explanation. New to mainspace, long enough, neutral. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
I'll take this one. I'm busy, so I'll review this in ~9 hours (00:00 UTC). Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 16:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good to me. Reworded a spot of minor CLOP. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 00:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: I don't think that the lengthy quote in the "Political career" section is necessary or neutral—what else is a candidate for that party going to say? I suspect it was inserted to bring the character count above 1500. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC
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Overall: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
To prevent this nomination from being prematurely moved to the Approved page before all articles have been reviewed and approved (as has already happened), a "review needed" icon was placed before this sentence. Please do not not supersede it with a tick icon below here until every one of the nominations above have been reviewed and given their tick icons. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:08, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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