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There are sources saying he studied positional and endgame play (such as GM Yasser Seirawan's "Winning Chess Tactics"), but really, I'm a USCF expert, and it's very obvious for me looking at his games; after losing the match to Morphy, Andersson seriously re-dedicated himself to chess, and his play was markedly improved. It still wasn't enough to beat a young Steinitz, but it explains his results against the much stronger players of the 1860s and 70s, something none of his contemporaries from the 50s were able to boast of.
76.126.237.65 (talk) 02:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)Lev
I've removed this:
Elo hadn't been born in 1850, and there was no rating system in use in Anderssen's time. I imagine that what is meant is that somebody in recent years has done some calcuations and some guess work and come to the conclusion that if the Elo system had been in operation in the 19th century, Anderssen would be the first 2600+ player. If that's what's meant, that's what the article needs to say (with the name of who has worked this out, and preferably a source). --Camembert
I don't think this is an A class article because it doesn't seem to be complete enough. There are sections on his bavkground and early life, then three tournaments. I think it probably needs to be filled in. Bubba73 (talk), 20:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has been claiming that Anderssen was unofficial World Chess Champion until he lost a match with Johannes Zukertort in 1871. I know no evidence of this. The general consensus is that Wilhelm Steinitz became unofficial champion 5 years earlier, in 1866. Since Steinitz was the world's leading player from 1866 onwards, the 1871 Anderssen-Zukertort match was irrelevant in deciding who was the world's leading player. I offer 3 sources:
The World's Great Chess Games", Reuben Fine, (McKay, 1976): dates Steinitz's reign as world champion from 1866, in the sections on both Steinitz and Anderssen. Does not even mention the Anderssen-Zukertort match.
From Morphy to Fischer", Israel Horowitz, (Batsford, 1973) discusses whether Steinitz was world champion after his 1866 match with Anderssen, deciding he never claimed the title (instead dating his reign from the 1886 Zukertort match). But Horowitz also doesn't even discuss the Anderssen-Zukertort match, in fact he doesn't mention Anderssen after 1866 at all.
"The Centenary Match, Kasparov-Karpov III", Raymond Keene and David Goodman 1986, p. 1-2, says that some people date Steinitz' reign as world champion from his 1866 Anderssen match. (Also deciding it is officially dated from the 1886 Zukertort match). Again there is no mention of Anderssen-Zukertort 1871.
So that's 3 sources indicating the Anderssen-Zukertort match was irrelevant to the world title, unofficial or otherwise. If you're going to indicate that anyone regarded Anderssen as the world's leading player past 1866, or that Anderssen-Zukertort match was any sort of title match, you will need to produce evidence. Peter Ballard 07:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Later, the anonymous editor gave the following reference to support the claim that Anderssen was the world's leading player until 1871: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/andersse.htm . But that only says that Anderssen and Zukertort played a match in 1871. It does not say it was a world championship match, official or unofficial. Peter Ballard 05:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Then in 1868 Steinitz beat Zukertort again and that was for the unofficial championship, there is no other way to explain this, it's only words, but they knew better. Keep in mind many of the sources you gave me are not 100% accurate, many of these things have been lost in time and never really reported properly, so even top historians dont know all the details.
Sorry, I don't understand. Your sentence "I said he lost in 1866, then Steinitz played the loser of the match Steinitz" does not make sense to me. Then you said "Then in 1868 Steinitz beat Zukertort again" when they didn't even play in 1868, to my knowledge. If you want to debate this, you will need to make yourself clearer. Peter Ballard 01:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps some considered Anderssen to have regained the (unofficial) world title after he won the Baden-Baden 1870 tournament ahead of Steinitz. I'm happy to write that some thought that, and hence considered the Anderssen-Zukertort 1871 match an unofficial world title match, but only if there is evidence, i.e. a citation. Especially since I've got 3 cites above (Fine, Horowitz, Keene) who all consider Steinitz the leading player from 1866 onwards, despite the Baden-Baden result. Peter Ballard 01:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I have wiki account with over 2000 edits, but I am not doing them from the public library since local library had lots of problems and I do not want to be linked to somebdoy else and I am slowing down with edits - since so much effort goes wasted and you are never appreciated. Just give me an email, I will send you more information on the match. I already gave you 2 links. Pay attention. Kindly, keep in mind that Zuky lost to Anderssen, and this was the unofficial championship match. It's like Karpov in the 1990's, nobody was able to beat him in a match (except Nigel Short qualifier) and Anderssen came in first, second or third, (always) in any tournament, so stop deleting the fact that he was not the leading player. And we know Mophy was still the best (in general). Nobody could have beaten him, he was way ahead of his times.
It's of course in Wroclaw, see among many other sources the English article from the (chess history) "Ken Whyld Association" (please read the article, it's all there). The other internet source has it wrong, sorry, probably because of the existing different cemetaries (in both cities) having an identical name. The former and the new grave are both on the former Oswitz cemetary, renamed after the war. Anderssen's grave was moved from its original place to the "honorary alley", given a plaque in different languages. Very nice gesture from the Polish chess federation that even renewed it after the first one had been stolen (see the ref. article on the KWA website). --DaQuirin (talk) 17:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
NOTIFY: the following discussion was moved from my discussion page --DaQuirin (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry what are you trying to say, please more details. Green Squares (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your contributions on Adolf Anderssen's grave. Unfortunately you deleted the ref for the transfer of Breslau/Wroclaw to Poland after WW II. Non-German, non-Polish readers an explanation of why the Polish CF re-buried a German master, and it needs a ref. Can you please reinstate the ref or insert a better one. -- Philcha (talk) 18:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
He was Polish. Dr. Szląchski (talk) 03:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Adolf Anderssen#Tournament Results In the table, it appears someone misspelled one's name. It says 'Alexander Alexander', but I am almost sure nobody has a name in which the first and last names are identical. |haosys| 23:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's link from wiki.answers, only educated, selected people are allowed to edit here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Paul_Morphy_never_play_Wilhelm_Steinitz Morphy was considered champion until 1860, in reality morphy was already best player in 1857 when he won american championship, remained topdog until death!
According to the article Anderssen didn't play competitive chess between 1862 and 1866, but chessgames.com has a large number of games with Gustav Neumann in that time period. Nuemann's wikipedia page also doesn't mention a match with Anderssen in that time period. Does anyone have any information about the circumstances of these games? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.198.103.27 (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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I don't think Fine's criticism is really justified. Anderssen certainly understood the importance of rapid development and piece co-ordination, that's why he was one of the leading players of his time. In any case Anderssen's "haphazard development" should not be presented as an encyclopedic fact, only as Fine's opinion. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 11:21, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
The lead says his matches in 1861 and 1862 against Kolisch and Paulsen were World Championship matches. But there is no reference except Mark Weeks' Chess page, which I do not regard as a reliable source because it is just a collection of results by an amateur chess historian. Without a better reference, they should be removed from the lead.
Then the table says he lost a 24 game match (10-14) to Gustav Neumann in 1866. If so, surely that match is very significant, in fact a bigger loss than to Steinitz later that same year (6-8), after which some writers say Steinitz was unofficial world champion! So why does no one say Neumann was unofficial world champion after that match? Chessgames confirms they played 24 games in Berlin in 1866 , but Chessmetrics makes no mention of the games . I am not sure if I should mark them in the table as casual games, or just remove them altogether? Does anyone have any info on these games or matches at all? Adpete (talk) 01:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
And where did he get it from? Looking at the dates, he can hardly have known Anderssen... Double sharp (talk) 09:18, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
The title didn't exist. We can say he was regarded as the world's leading player, but the phrase "world champion" was not applied to him. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 03:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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