使用者討論:星光下的人/2007
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有關邱吉爾家族的條目,我有若干解釋:
- 「具有斯賓塞家族的血脈」是因為英文版以「related to Spencer Family」的關係。如用「屬於」一詞,英文版會使用「belonged to」。若參看英文版「Spencer Family」條目,亦會發現「Spencer Family」並沒有包括第五代馬博羅公爵以後之人士。
- 有關「Spencer Family」之背景,無須在邱吉爾條目中過份詳寫,反而應該另闢新條目。
- 應顯示為倫道夫·邱吉爾勳爵,這是對公爵兒子之特定敬稱,請詳見有關勳爵的條目。
- 香港地區有使用「皇」的習慣。
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有關邱吉爾
多謝垂注!--Clithering 18:17 2007年1月4日 (UTC)
回關於邱吉爾
首先十分感謝你的回信!就我上一篇所指的論點,有以下的補充:
- 關於「Spencer Family」一項,我同意你新的意見,已予以更改。
- 關於倫道夫·邱吉爾勳爵方面,根據英文維基百科,騎士身份不須在條目名稱上刻意特顯,但貴族身份就有在條目特顯和區別的慣例。惟中文維基現時仍然沒有相關的討論和定案,基於「勳爵」的獨特含意,我建議現時好應保留現有的連結樣式,在日後留作重定向也好。
- 關於家族背景方面,一方面現時的條目已經十分長,此外其他人物傳記條目也很少有在生平詳寫家族背景。而且在日後編寫相關的新條目時,就會自然發覺在邱吉爾條目撰寫家族背景會顯得重複。那為何不另闢條目呢?
- 關於「皇」的使用,我已將中、台地區的顯示改成「王」。至於為何香港會使用「皇」,這是習慣成自然的結果,並非單純文法的問題。在香港,回歸前的紙鈔、郵票使用「皇」;建築物凡以君主命名者,均使用「皇」字;立法局文件一律用「皇」,即使馬會賽事也有以「女皇盃」命名,而港人也多以「英女皇」來稱呼伊莉莎伯二世,所以這是習慣的問題。
另外,關於我沒有在上一次留言提及的議題,現在此作出回應:
- 關於「軍事家」,我也十分同意,但因為回退的步驟缺乏靈活性,才一併將之回退,現將根據您的意見修改!
- 關於地名,我一律依照中文版《大英百科》,惟《大英百科》可能由台灣人士所譯,忽略大陸地區譯名,所以我會根據您的意建修改!
- 關於不管部大臣一事,其實是一個細項,我認為改不改也沒甚麼大不了罷?
- 最後關於諾貝爾獎和倫敦公爵部份,前者由於不知出處,後者看漏了眼,現看過您的回覆後,將會一一修改!
多謝垂注!--Clithering 11:41 2007年1月6日 (UTC)
關於中土大陸和中土世界
您好,我很久沒有編輯托爾金的條目,再一次上來看看,發覺托爾金的條目很多譯名都更改了,而托爾金世界最重要的條目,中土大陸也換譯為中土世界,再看討論頁,似乎發生過移動戰。基本上,我所創建的條目全依照繁體《魔戒》、《精靈寶鑽》兩本書的官方翻譯而遍寫,而簡體《指環王》對中土大陸的譯名為中洲,請問「中土世界」之譯名典出何處﹖--Iflwlou 13:20 2007年2月6日 (UTC)
回覆關於英倫的問題
很久沒談!關於你的問題,坊間應該很少人留意,而我有以下的建議:
- 蘇格蘭之「High Steward of Scotland」,是相應於英格蘭和愛爾蘭地區的「Lord High Steward」及「Lord High Steward of Ireland」,當中又以英格蘭「Lord High Steward」之職責與「High Steward of Scotland」較相近,而「Lord High Steward」又一向譯作加冕事務長,因此「High Steward of Scotland」理應相應譯作蘇格蘭加冕事務長。
- 至於斯圖亞特王朝條目把「High Steward of Scotland」譯成「蘇格蘭王家大管家」,相信是直譯所致。值得一提的是,過去不少人誤以為「Lord High Steward」等同「Lord Steward」,但「Lord Steward」實際上是指「皇室事務長」,雖然蘇格蘭似乎沒有相配的職位,但相信原譯者正犯了這種錯誤。
- 由於「High Steward of Scotland」應譯成蘇格蘭加冕事務長,我們唯有在斯圖亞特王朝條目中同時列出蘇格蘭加冕事務長之英文職稱,來說明斯圖亞特王朝和蘇格蘭加冕事務長之關係。
有關「Mayor of the Palace」,請參閱這裡[1]--Clithering(tête-à-tête) 15:18 2007年3月10日 (UTC)
- 有關這條問題,我要花點時間才能答覆,因為「加冕事務」與該職位最初設立時之職掌並不相乎。
- 至於Mayor of the Palace之解釋如下:
- MAYOR OF THE PALACE. - The office of mayor of the palace was an institution peculiar to the Franks of the Merovingian period. A landowner who did not manage his own estate placed it in the hands of a steward (major), who superintended the working of the estate and collected its revenues. If he had several estates, he appointed a chief steward, who managed the whole of the estates and was called the major domus. Each great personage had a major domus - the queen had hers, the king his; and since the royal house was called the palace, this officer took the name of "mayor of the palace." The mayor of the palace, however, did not remain restricted to domestic functions; he had the discipline of the palace and tried persons who resided there. Soon his functions expanded. If the king were a minor, the mayor of the palace supervised his education in the capacity of guardian (nutricius), and often also occupied himself with affairs of state. When the king came of age, the mayor exerted himself to keep this power, and succeeded. In the 7th century he became the head of the administration and a veritable prime minister. He took part in the nomination of the counts and dukes; in the king's absence he presided over the royal tribunal; and he often commanded the armies. When the custom of commendation developed, the king charged the mayor of the palace to protect those who had commended themselves to him and to 1 The mayors of certain cities in the United Kingdom (London, York, Dublin) have acquired by prescription the prefix of "lord." In the case of London it seems to date from 1540. It has also been conferred during the closing years of the 19th century by letters patent on other cities - Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Bristol, Sheffield, Leeds, Cardiff, Bradford, Newcastle-on-Tyne, Belfast, Cork. In 1910 it was granted to Norwich. Lord mayors are entitled to be addressed as "right honourable." intervene at law on their behalf. The mayor of the palace thus found himself at the head of the commendati, just as he was at the head of the functionaries.
- It is difficult to trace the names of some of the mayors of the palace, the post being of almost no significance in ,the time of Gregory of Tours. When the office increased in importance the mayors of the palace did not, as has been thought, pursue an identical policy. Some - for instance, Otto, the mayor of the palace of Austrasia towards 640 - were devoted to the Crown. On the other hand, mayors like Flaochat (in Burgundy) and Erkinoald (in Neustria) stirred up the great nobles, who claimed the right to take part in their nomination, against the king. Others again, sought to exercise the power in their own name both against the king and against the great nobles - such as Ebroin (in Neustria), and, later, the Carolingians Pippin II., Charles Martel, and Pippin III., who, after making use of the great nobles, kept the authority for themselves. In 751 Pippin III., fortified by his consultation with Pope Zacharias, could quite naturally exchange the title of mayor for that of king; and when he became king, he suppressed the title of mayor of the palace. It must be observed that from 639 there were generally separate mayors of Neustria, Austrasia and Burgundy, even when Austrasia and Burgundy formed a single kingdom; the mayor was a sign of the independence of the region. Each mayor, however, sought to supplant the others; the Pippins and Charles Martel succeeded, and their victory was at the same time the victory of Austrasia over Neustria and Burgundy.
- See G. H. Pertz, Geschichte der merowingischen Hausmeier (Hanover, 1819); H. Bonnell, De dignitate majoris domus (Berlin, 1858); E. Hermann, Das Hausmeieramt, ein eclat germanisches Amt, vol. ix. of Untersuchungen zur deutschen Staatsand Rechtsgeschichte, ed. by O. Gierke (Breslau, 1878, seq.); G. Waitz, Deutsche Verfassungsgeschichte, 3rd ed., revised by K. Zeumer; and Fustel de Coulanges, Histoire des institutions politiques del' ancienne France: La monarchie franque (Paris, 1888). (C. PF.)
- 取自1911年版大英百科,已失去版權。--Clithering(tête-à-tête) 10:58 2007年3月11日 (UTC)
- See G. H. Pertz, Geschichte der merowingischen Hausmeier (Hanover, 1819); H. Bonnell, De dignitate majoris domus (Berlin, 1858); E. Hermann, Das Hausmeieramt, ein eclat germanisches Amt, vol. ix. of Untersuchungen zur deutschen Staatsand Rechtsgeschichte, ed. by O. Gierke (Breslau, 1878, seq.); G. Waitz, Deutsche Verfassungsgeschichte, 3rd ed., revised by K. Zeumer; and Fustel de Coulanges, Histoire des institutions politiques del' ancienne France: La monarchie franque (Paris, 1888). (C. PF.)