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- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#Comments sought on the Hyūga class helicopter destroyer article
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Japanese military history task force#Comments sought on the Hyūga class helicopter destroyer article
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force#Comments sought on the Hyūga class helicopter destroyer article
- Several editors (including myself) are currently discussing whether Japan's new Hyūga class helicopter destroyers should be classified as aircraft carriers or not and whether the article's references are adequete. Interested editors are invited to comment on the article's talk page. Nick Dowling (talk) 10:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Proposal to dismiss Nick Dowling as Assistant Coordinator of the Military history Wikiproject
- Strong oppose - This is a joke right? You want someone dismissed as a coordinator because they disagreed with your position on an article's name????????????????????????? Heeheeheehee! Thanks for the laugh - I need it! And thought maybe he had done something really bad, like support me in a dispute on whether a Japanese DDH was an aircraft carrier or not. Whewwww! - BillCJ (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- BillCJ, no, I am not asking to dismiss Nick because he disagrees with the historical name of the article, but the way he is going about achieving this, by using a straw poll to change it to a fictitious name unsupported by references which is completely contrary to Wikipedia policy and community consensus on straw polls--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 03:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Strong oppose - This is a joke right? You want someone dismissed as a coordinator because they disagreed with your position on an article's name????????????????????????? Heeheeheehee! Thanks for the laugh - I need it! And thought maybe he had done something really bad, like support me in a dispute on whether a Japanese DDH was an aircraft carrier or not. Whewwww! - BillCJ (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Book Review section?
- "... not all sources should be considered useful (with the big proviso that WP:V and WP:NPOV requires that all non-fringe views be acknowledged), and it may sometimes be appropriate to post notifications of discussions of sources on this project's noticeboards to gain other editors' views. Nick Dowling (talk) 10:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- I personally find WP:V's assertion that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" to be frustrating given that its basically an open invitation for people to use any professionally published source they like and it can be difficult to correct material which is demonstratably wrong if it is sourced to a mistake. Nick Dowling (talk) 11:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia places a lot of emphasis on the need for consensus and being seen to rock the boat by working outside the mainstream dispute resolution processes isn't a good idea as it can lead to people thinking that the project is trying to be an exclusive club with its own rules ...." Nick Dowling (talk) 11:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- I personally find WP:V's assertion that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" to be frustrating given that its basically an open invitation for people to use any professionally published source they like and it can be difficult to correct material which is demonstratably wrong if it is sourced to a mistake. Nick Dowling (talk) 11:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- "... not all sources should be considered useful (with the big proviso that WP:V and WP:NPOV requires that all non-fringe views be acknowledged), and it may sometimes be appropriate to post notifications of discussions of sources on this project's noticeboards to gain other editors' views. Nick Dowling (talk) 10:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- User talk:Nick Dowling#Hyūga class helicopter destroyer
Three minutes to undo an edit, that is fast protection. Is it not useful to mention similar weight British and Korean vessels to get the idea across that not all flat tops are aircraft carriers? Even the Invincible class ships got the Harrier as an afterthought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.142.188 (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Aside from weight alone not being an indicator of ships' ability to operate aircraft, the comparison to similar British and Italian ships was already in the second para of the article. Nick Dowling (talk) 09:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- This exchange has been copied to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Personal abuse and disruptive behaviour by Tenmei#More examples of "Personal Abuse"?. --Tenmei (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Is this "Personal Abuse"? " ... my serial attempts to invite helpful intervention have produced zero effect. Initially, I sought mediation for a variety of reasons, not least of which was because Nick Dowling persists in framing sham "queries" in which any "answer" becomes irretrievably confined within the terms of narrowing premises -- a pernicious variation on the classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. This sly straw man gambit has rhetorical appeal, but it unfolds with insidious consequences .... When I caused this dispute by merely adding one sentence only, I anticipated a controversy different than the one Nick Dowling has engineered. --Tenmei (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)