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Van Wikipedia, de vrije encyclopedie
This is an informal page to gather information about the situation in the dutch wikipedia and the opinions of the users here. Please don't mistake it for a poll or something of this sort. I would be happy if you take the time to answer my questions. To not start any fights just give your opinion, don't comment any statements of others here (you can use the discussion page if you feel you have to). I will remove any such comments from this page. Please try to restrict your answers to a maximum of four lines on this page her (you can send me longer comments per mail).
If you don't like to state your opinion publicly, you can send it to me by mail (elian@djini.de) - everything I receive by mail will be kept confidentially and added as anonymous opinions here.
Background information: Since quite some time I hear on IRC about the problems in the dutch wikipedia, that is "another moderator resigned...the fights started again...". This left us (the international crowd) in sorrow for the dutch wikipedia and with a lot of questions what could be done to help. This questionnaire is part of our try to help.
(Please just link to the relevant page + one-line summary by someone not involved ;-)
january 24, 2004 - Muijz resigns due to discussions on the "News" pages
february 27, 2004 - Muijz returns
august 2004 - A discussion between Muijz and Wvr a lot of people on the role of Queen Wilhelmina before and during WWII. It starts with Wvr stating that the article is bullshit, Oscar reacts to that, after which react (in the following sequence): Muijz, Jcwf, Fruggo, Bemoeial, Elly and Waerth. Muijz says to Wvr: 87% of the dutch population has an orange colored shield before their eyes. You (Wvr) are one of the examples. See Overleg:Collaboratie (Strike out and italic added later by me; Fruggo 8 nov 2004 21:06 (CET))
september 7 - Muijz objects to Elly using part of her wikipedia-user-pages for a personal project of herself and several non-wikipedians. Muijz marks the page for imideate deletion several times. Elly protects the page. Several people get involved, telling Muijz to back off. Nonetheless Muijz keeps marking the page for deletion. In the end most people agree with Muijz but his behaviour is criticized. The actual pages where this discussion occured have since been deleted following the normal deletion procedure.
october 7 - CE blocks Muijz after he repeatedly removed several links to wiktionary articles and did wave requests to sleep a night about it. It is part of an ongoing conflict between Muiz and GerardM. Elly supports CE's action, referring to the september 7 incident. More people get involved. Some users stated that "the moderators" are abusing their "powers". Some moderators feel they're unjustly criticized and go 'on strike'. A 'peace treaty' is signed between Muijz, Elly, CE and GerardM. (Wikipedia:Achterkamertje/archief 1)
october 12 - Elly sends an e-mail to her 'moderator colleagues'. She feels 'seriously damaged', she urges her 'colleagues' to take action against Muijz ("Who dares??"); she wants several pages to be 'permanently deleted' and expects totel support from other moderators. Lennart Bolks reacts: he doesn't agree and finds Elly's request "peculiar to say the least", especially since Elly signed the 'peace treaty'.
october 14 - Because both Elly and Lennart inadvertedly sent their mails to the nl.wikipedia-mailinglist, anyone can read them. Muijz feels cheated. There's more discussion. In the end things cool down. (Wikipedia:Achterkamertje/archief 2)
october 29 - Muijz reverts Waerths changes to the 'Kroeg'-page and gets banned. Waerth is furious, says some things he later regrets and bans himself. oscar blocks Muijz in order to postpone the whole discussion to the afternoon evening. oscar cancels his job for half that day, to make sure that a proper talk does take place. Elly and Rasbak call (in de Kroeg) for Muijz to be permanently banned. After midnight Waerth and Muijz in a joint statement apologize to the community. (Wikipedia:De kroeg)
october 30 - Muijz gets a second ban from Jimbo Wales personally for insulting GerardM on IRC
november 8 - Muijz gets a third ban from Jimbo Wales personally for incivility and insulting behaviour
november 17 - It transpires that a private row of Muijz has "merrited" two articles on wikipedia. The person involved has asked for help from the moderators in resolving this issue. GerardM has started a discussion that may lead to the permanent ban of Muijz.
(short term bans and/or longer bans)
A moderator is just a user. In fact, in these conflicts most were part of the "other users". But there's now a perceived entity of the moderators as a group, which we should avoid. Aliter 30 okt 2004 21:13 (CEST)
This refers to Jimbo, Anthere and me. I won't be hurt or offended if you answer no. --Elian
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