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Assassination is typically applied to a prominent person. John Saunders was a junior police officer, still on probation, and around the same age as Bhagat Singh. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:25, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
PS You could write: "In 1928, Singh and his associates fatally shot a British junior police officer, John Saunders, mistaking him for the British police superintendent James Scott, whom they had planned to assassinate, and who they believed was responsible for the death of Indian nationalist leader Lala Lajpat Rai. Scott had ordered a lathi charge in which Rai was believed to have been injured. Singh and his associates also shot dead an Indian police constable who came to the aid of the dying Saunders." The reason why I prefer to use "murder" is that, according to the sources, Saunders who was riding a motorcycle was first shot by an associate of Singh. After he fell, and after his assailants discovered their error, Singh pumped four or five more bullets into the injured Saunders. I'll have to look for the sources, but I'm pretty sure they're around. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:39, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
We could use:
wikt:murder - a loaded word, mainly for involving relatively unknown people and usually for personal/petty reasons.
wikt:assassination - a more technical term, in addition to what you said, also has to have political or religious reasons.
killing - the most neutrally and almost weightless word, isn't there in the Words to Watch but almost like the case of WP:SAID.
Here we have an officer in authority (okay, now you're saying junior, so we're threading on this part being disputable) and being killed due to an obvious political motive. I'm thus more inclined to use assassination. I'm more or less fine with any of them, IMO no need to get sources to back up this wording. UgogNizdast(talk) 14:02, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Another thing: remember what I you to do about the lengthy lead first statement about that DYK you created at WT:INB? Same issue with both Bhagat Singh and SCB. Singh (...was an Indian nationalist whose participation in acts of dramatized political violence against the British in India, and subsequent arrest and execution at age 23, turned him into a hero and martyr in the popular folklore of the Indian independence movement.) and Bose ( was an Indian nationalist whose defiant patriotism made him a hero in India, but whose attempt during World War II to rid India of British rule with the help of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan left a troubled legacy.). It's just too long...yes, you've tried to put the main notable aspects of the subject, but we can stick to just "was an Indian independence activist." Put the discussion about them immediately after. Much more readable. Typically, only people notable for a single event get such treatment in the first statement per WP:LEAD. UgogNizdast(talk) 15:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure assassination cannot be used in a case of mistaken identity in which an officer on probation is shot by accident in place of the police chief. If authors use it, they're making a mistake. Can't summarize Bhagat Singh with one lead sentence, "... was an Indian independence activist." It is too vague, too inaccurate. It is the same with "revolutionary." I have reduced Bhagat Singh somewhat, but violence and folklore are an essential part of his story. In controversial subject topics, creating Simple Wikipedia-like lead sentences cause just as many violations of Wiki rues as do overlong sentences. In less controversial subjects, such as Gandhi or Mandell Creighton, both of whose leads I have written, I don't have any such issues. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
And what is the point of referring me to Wiktionary, which in any case is not a reliable source, and then editorializing, "a loaded word, mainly for involving relatively unknown people and usually for personal/petty reasons?" Where is that written in the Wiktionary entry? The two leading dictionaries in the English language say no such thing. Murder (n), OED: "The deliberate and unlawful killing of a human being, esp. in a premeditated manner;" Webster's Unabridged: "the crime of killing a person under circumstances precisely defined by statute: such as, ... a first-degree murder that deserves either capital or severe punishment because of being willful and premeditated, being committed with atrocity or cruelty (as by poisoning, starvation, mayhem, or torture), being committed in the course of the commission of a serious felony (as arson, burglary, or kidnapping), or being committed after lying in wait for the purpose of killing the victim." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Was only trying help. I made it clear above that I felt all those were really minor and just suggestions. Really no need to take me on trial for that. To be fair, I didn't even use wikt but my in-built OS dictionary, I just don't like copy-pasting definitions here and I don't see any major disagreement in the definitions from all three of them. UgogNizdast(talk) 07:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I know you were. I mean, today I know you were. But yesterday I had woken up on the wrong side of the bed. Many apologies. I hope you will not let my peevish response deter you from offering honest feedback. Best regards and thanks, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:44, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Don't worry, of course it won't if you're looking for feedback in future. Happens to the best of us. Warm regards. UgogNizdast(talk) 06:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi. This time, I want your help on this article. The India section of this article doesn't look neutral and seems a bit biased. Although most part of this section is sourced, some claims made in this section highlight only part of what is mentioned in the source while some claims are somewhat misleading. Parts of this section of article seem to be written as per a user's own POV. Please look into this section of this article. Regards. Vibhss (talk) 20:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
@Vibhss: I've been a bit less active these past few weeks and can't do much on my own. Briefly spot-checking it: the section is a bit lengthy and can spot obvious blatant problems besides this para (In 1958, S. P. Adithanar founded..) being sourced to dubious references. Additionally over-reliance on Indian media rather than global ones or better quality sources (academic sources etc) on such a cross-country historical issue but this is probably needs more checking, just a REDFLAG alert. Disclaimer: I've also rarely touched Tamil-nationalism articles and this is just my two cents (paisas) on it.
Do you have anything specific in mind? I can tell you my thoughts on that. Else you're better off raising it on that article talk page (seems to be maintained by at least one experienced enough editor) and taking a stab at editing. UgogNizdast(talk) 14:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
... uses lower-case "s" throughout except at the beginning of a sentence. See the lead of Shola. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
And the South Western Ghats montane rain forests use it with italics, still confusing and probably needs to be made consistent (we probably don't have an interest in pursuing). I've heard of biology related topics like species having such capitalisation. My bad, overlooked that. UgogNizdast(talk) 11:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Your post prompted me to rummage the history of the page. The section was written in 2006 or 2007 by Saravask and me, and originally titled, Flora and fauna. Here is an edit, mine, from 2007, and the shola is italicized! See here, however, sal, babul, etc are not. MOS:FOREIGNITALIC says do not italicize foreign words which appear in Merriam-Webster Online. Shola and sal do not appear but babul does. So, it's neither here nor there. But just to be safe, I'm going to italicize shola and sal, but not the rest as they do appear in MW. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:25, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you for noticing that someone had removed all the instructions on Third Opinion and correcting it! I made two intermediate edits and didn't notice so I'm feeling a bit sheepish! Anyway, thanks again. -=Troop=- (talk) 13:51, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Not a problem at all, I've been watching it for long and besides me there are quite a few WP:3O longtime members, baffled me that none of them noticed that.:) UgogNizdast(talk) 15:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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I would've appreciated it if you had left me a message when you blanked my request for third party intervention. ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 08:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@Elie plus: Isn't the instructions clear at Wikipedia:Third opinion#How to list a dispute or can it be improved? If I missed there being a page where the discussion has taken place, feel free to add it back. I usually leave a notification in unclear and not straightforward cases. UgogNizdast(talk) 09:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I will not add it back I will leave it to other users with more time on their hands to watch the editing pattern of the said user unfold and take the appropriate measures. I will not comment on whether the instructions were clear or not but I will only say that back in the day people at least had the common courtesy of notifying parties of whatever actions they were about to do. have a nice day ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 11:07, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Joel,
Recently, my friend ClueBot NG made a mistake. I reinstated the mistakenly reverted edit. I also told Clue's legal gaurdian about his recent misdid. What happens next? Do you have any idea? I mean, would his parent/gaurdian contact me? Kindly ping me if you reply. —usernamekiran(talk) 23:48, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Hey there Usernamekiran, It looks like your issue has been resolved and explained nicely by Mz7 regarding filing that false positive thingy etc?
Oh don't get me started on Cluebot NG, both of us have had an history.UgogNizdast(talk) 04:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
oh! So finally you n Clue got on good terms! I never got on bad terms with him. We became good friends as soon as we met. —usernamekiran(talk) 04:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
With the bifurcation of Bardhaman district in West Bengal on 7 April 2017, I have helped in developing two articles - Purba Bardhaman district and Paschim Bardhaman district. Both the articles were initially marked Stub, and now require reassessment. Kindly help. I am particularly keen on taking the Purba Bardhaman district article to that of a Good Article. Advice in this regard is most welcome. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 12:06, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm looking at it now, but my time is limited for editing these days...so can't do an in-depth review. WIll report here, stay tuned. UgogNizdast(talk) 13:31, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for taking up the work. Take your time. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 13:01, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Here's what I've found:
In general for both:
History, Etymology pertinence: This is probably the main possible issue I've found in terms of content. Both detail almost the same general history about Bardhaman district. They're mainly repeating content, WP:CFORK comes to mind here. Since both article pertain to just the recently created districts, their history doesn't go beyond that strictly speaking. It has to be just in one place where it can be covered in detail and that should be the older undivided district article--assuming this area covers just this district and no other place. You know better, I'm unfamiliar with it.
Both the lead sections can be expanded per WP:LEADLENGTH: two or maybe even three paras enough.
Purba Bardhaman district
Can some of the captions have links to the various subjects shown?
Excess low-level headers (====Katwa subdivision==== etc), just use regular list syntax. Headers needed only for, at minimum, multiple moderate sized-paras; not such stubby portions.
Fauna section no relevant links as compared to the others
Paschim Bardhaman district
Divisions here can be put into list form; fits the exceptions for WP:USEPROSE (like how you did the above article).
Remove gallery and put the Commons link below per WP:IG and since there's a little space left for one or two, consider maybe choosing from there.
That's my informal review of it and let me know what you think. UgogNizdast(talk) 10:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks for the suggestions. I have already started working on them and will be working further. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I have tried to improve as much as possible. Please have a look. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 04:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Both are definitely C, but for B would need some work and moreover, I can't give it that detailed review now. What I highlighted above in my point "*In general for both:" would be something to focus on. I think the problem here is that both these articles have a quite limited WP:SCOPE, being districts (they're usually more administrative, less covered by sources, less distinct culturally etc than a city or a state) and even worse, they're recently created. The most important sections would be those which make it differ from the main old article and relevant to its recent history; so even the newly added "Literary traditions" mainly talks about historical figures referring to the old main region like the History section. Thus it should just cover the content related to administration (Demographics, Divisions, Geography) provided they're specific to only the newly formed districts and distinct to each of them.
I made it C but you can too, anything lower than A class can be self-assessed (WP:ASSESS) and don't need a formal review. Be sure to remove the |reassess=y part when done. UgogNizdast(talk) 03:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks for all the support. I will give it a rest for a few days and then get back to these and try to improve them further. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
More information Ignoring post by Being.human 13:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC), after trying to help them on their talk page ...
Ignoring post by Being.human 13:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC), after trying to help them on their talk page
1. I noticed you have kept and defended dubious unscholary sources on that systematically introduce, rewrite and and legitimzie OPINION PRIMARY RESEARCH based unpublished (paid publishing) POV work such as I highlighted on Birbal. With due regard to right to privacy and benefit of doubt, yet to avoid any CONFLICT OF INTEREST, may I know if you are a MUSLIM (reason to defend and game the system)? As a self-disclosure, I am atheist, Im a scientist. I want to see NEUTRAL, INDEPENDENT, PEER REVIEWED SCHOALRY WORK and not junk being introduced.
2. Are you and user Drumutt are one and same person, two accounts used by same person (same IP address?), or two people working as buddies to game the system including introducing and legitimizing POV and then running off anyone who points it out with warnings? I am NOT YET accusing, apologies if what I am wondering is incorrect but I have to get to the bottom of it. I will not let Birbal POV vandalized biased subvious edits remain there, i have followed the due process of benefit of doubt to the edits then i read the text referenced, i identified th biased musliims PRIMARY RESEARCH POV been incorrectly and misleadingly attributed to a Hindu meenakhis while it in fact is UNSCHALRY NON-PEER-reviewed non-acceptable (not in the index of acceptable and respected publication) work of CM NAIM of either self-published or paid-published type of obscure publication.
Please work with me collaboratively. Remove the biased POV from Birbal. happy to work with you amicably in future but pls follow the due process and rule book you showed me. No gaming from you or me. lets keep ti clean and NEUTRAL.I AM NOT GIVING UP on birbal until POV is removed. no nee to waste too much time to make it happen.
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Note: further reverted further such related posts by them today. UgogNizdast(talk) 19:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Ugog, Please help in moving this article from Start class to C or B.It is not ready for GA yet but if you like you can help with Peer review process to bring attention to shortcomings in the article. Thanks Jonathansammy (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Would be happy to review it for you but note that I've been not very active as of late so will take time to begin. UgogNizdast(talk) 15:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Take your time.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I've begun, awaiting your responses. UgogNizdast(talk) 00:12, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
@Jonathansammy: This job and other works were things I intended to finish before going on my break; unfortunately, my real life responsibilities demand that this break cannot be pushed aside anymore. Will be taking my break soon now and would recommend you taking it to WP:PR if interested in still getting more 3rd party input; at the least, doing this will increase your chances of that. My break will likely be very long so don't rely on waiting for me to come back and finish it (though I hate to leave a job half done, I'll love to resume that once I come back). Best wishes, UgogNizdast(talk) 04:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Best of luck, Ugog, and hope to see you back soon. Vanamonde (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Beat me to it...before I could even send my mail to you? Seriously thanks a lot though, I'll message you and a few others soon. UgogNizdast(talk) 04:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Ugog.Enjoy your break.I appreciate all the help you provided on the article.Best regardsJonathansammy (talk) 12:19, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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I noticed there's been a recent uptick in your activity; does this mean that you're in a position to return full-time, perhaps in the near future? Vanamonde (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
I wish I could say yes to that but unfortunately, "on a wikibreak indefinitely" still seems to aptly summarise my real life situation. What you saw is when I fail to avoid looking at articles and get bitted by the editing bug. Hope you're keeping well my friend. UgogNizdast(talk) 16:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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We can at this stage only use the broad peer review section titles to guide what reviews you'd like, but that's better than nothing! You can also set an interest in multiple separate subject areas that will be updated at different times.
Update #2: a (lean) WikiProject Peer review
I don't think we need a WikiProject with a giant bureaucracy nor all sorts of whiz-bang features. However over the last few years I've found there are times when it would have been useful to have a list of editors that would like to contribute to discussions about the peer review process (e.g. instructions, layout, automation, simplification etc.). Also, it can get kind of lonely on the talk page as I am (correct me if I'm wrong) the only regular contributor, with most editors moving on after 6 - 12 months.
So, I've decided to create "WikiProject Peer review". If you'd like to contribute to the WikiProject, or make yourself available for future newsletters or contact, please add yourself to the list of members.
Update #3: advertising
We plan to do some advertising of peer review, to let editors know about it and how to volunteer to help, at a couple of different venues (Signpost, Village pump, Teahouse etc.) - but have been waiting until we get this bot + WikiProject set up so we have a way to help interested editors make more enduring contributions. So consider yourself forewarned!
And... that's it!
I wish you all well on your Wikivoyages, Tom (LT) (talk) 00:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@Tom (LT): Great to see that your efforts at PR still haven't waned. I salute you. I'm on an indef wikibreak but look forward to getting up to date and continuing putting my little efforts on the PR "unofficial" official WikiProject when I return. Be well, UgogNizdast(talk) 12:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I look forward to having you back! --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the warm welcome Kjogitha (talk) 15:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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Hi there, thanks for your message about Allie Brosh. Looking at again, I think my tag was unwarranted and I will remove it. I'm sorry about that. I think my concerns were partly about the level of detail and activities of Brosh's that don't seem notable or connected to her work - for instance, participating in track; her surgery. Also, some stuff not referenced as far as I can see ("Brosh's online presence again got sporadic with a single tweet in November 2014"; "Brosh has been active on Reddit and likes it because it was the place where her first posts got popular"). And a couple of typos: "Brosh said she started her blog to avoid her college physics final wondered if people would like her work"; "In May 2013, she made a second post which was long and chronically her struggle and thoughts of suicide".
Hope this help. Thanks for your work on this, and apologies again. Tacyarg (talk) 22:35, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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