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What's up here? This has been in this "sort of a weird middle stage" since mid-November. (ran across this while browsing Special:Random) —Random832 18:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Can you take a quick look at Portal:Anime and manga/News to see if I summarized the changes to the Japanese episode list template correctly? Collectonian (talk) 03:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Have another question for you :) I'm working on the rather ambitious task of creating a List of Lassie episodes (588 episodes, 19 seasons). I remembered reading about what was done with Lost so that the episode lists were transcluded from individual season pages into the main List of Lost episodes, minus the summaries. I copied the code from the Lost episode list "hack" and made one for Lassie. It is all working great, except I can't figure out how to make it so it doesn't show {{ShortSummary}} if there is no summary to include (see the work in progress). With 588 eps, it will be awhile before they all have summaries. :P Do you know how I can fix the template at Template:Episode list/Lassie to tell it to leave the summary blank if there isn't one to show? Collectonian (talk) 08:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I have not understand your question. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
But in this line tons of nonsensical userboxes can be created. Then wikipedia will be mess. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Why you are so eager in these bogus and nonsensical userboxes. If you like this userboxes, then Uncyclopedia will be the right place for you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
It's 5:18am here and I finally finished her. I've gone over the image a few times and tried to ensure all mistakes were fixed, and I've cleaned it up a little more several dozen times over, so it should be almost-perfect! You can view a larger version than the previews in the sandbox here. I'd like some feedback, tell everyone to nitpick it and point out things that should be fixed; I've been working on it so long I'm going blind so you guys might be able to find things I missed ;)
Also, the characters on her puzzle pieces; I'd like to be sure they're correct, since I was merely tracing over Kasuga's hand-drawn characters - somewhere in there there's likely to be small mistakes or such. If I can have the actual text characters to copy I can put them in as text and then convert that to paths for greater accuracy, as well.
I'm off to sleep, but I should be around again in 8 hours or so and will be free to fix any mistakes after then. All the best, -- Editor at Large • talk 10:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Ned. Since you expressed interested, I wanted to let you know that I have created a RFC regarding the temporary injunction so the community can attempt to reach a consensus regarding this issue. Please comment with your views at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2/Request for Comment. Cheers! Redfarmer (talk) 20:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
In this comment you say "However, with a little bit of tweaking, it can be used without changing Tidy." Can you give me some hints about what you changed to make {{Navbox}} portable to wikis not running HTML Tidy? According to this other discussion (and down a few paragraphs from the link point), templates that need HTML Tidy to run correctly are "poorly designed." I would like to learn what sort of template coding errors HTML Tidy is silently fixing up, so I can help make Wikipedia's templates easier to port to other MediaWiki wikis. Thanks. --Teratornis (talk) 00:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
{{!}}
to replace I
(and {{!!}}
to replace ||
). I already knew how to do this, but when I did I got extra line breaks in my boxes, a lot of extra line breaks.<nowiki/>
after the #if statement, then go to the next line to start the table row or table cell. For example:
{{#if:|<nowiki/> {{!}}-
Could you explain further on the talk page for this image, specifically why it is "ineligible for copyright" ? Cirt (talk) 06:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Dear Ned Scott, because of the open-mindedness and reasonability expressed here, the friendliness expressed here, and the apology expressed here, I have removed the bit on you in my evidence of the ArbCom case. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 06:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
See here. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Ned. I think that the "Written by" field should appear before the "directed by" field, because that is how they are usually billed on the TV shows, whether it's during the action after the opening credits, or on the scrolling end credits. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 06:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Ned - I saw your question at the discussion about hidden categories. You may already have seen the note, but there is now a setting in the user preferences to toggle the display. It's under "Misc", titled "Show hidden categories". Cheers. --Ckatzchatspy 08:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I have a little present for you :D User talk:Cacycle/wikEd_development#Safari. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I know it could look odd or out of place. Kasuga just does such beautiful work, and I'd rather have that adorn an article than a deletable (and often contentious) live image. I just don't know how backlogged he is. Cheers, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I, too, want a good solution. Many editors (including yourself) from disparate points of view have been diligently working at FICT and WAF to resolve this problem. One editor I have not seen there is TTN. I have no personal grudge against TTN, other than the fact that he has been rude to other editors. As a matter of fact, I can not think of a single instance where we have had a conflict. Nevertheless, I feel that it is a good thing for the Arb Com to draw a line and say "this behavior is unacceptable." You may feel that they only did this two one side, but I feel like the rest of the proposals (especially the enforcement by blocks) has the potential to draw a line with the other side's tendentious edit warring. I think this may be an excellent way to get back to work. Besides, if they close the case, the "problematic" injunction will be lifted. Ursasapien (talk) 07:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
You are a previous participant in the discussion at WP:AN/I about User:Mikkalai's vow of silence. This is to inform you, that I have made a proposal for resolution for the issue. I am informing all of the users who participated, so this is not an attempt to WP:CANVAS support for any particular position.
The proposal can be found at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed resolution (Mikkalai vow of silence) Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 02:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this case, I know a lot of discussion is floating around, but I really feel strongly about this and wanted to get more attention to this comment I made:
If any of the arbs are reading these messages, I beg of you to accept a proposal that limits TTN's actions only when challenged. Like the others, I'm still not convinced TTN has even done something grossly wrong, but it's far better than the current proposal, allows TTN to preform non-controversial actions, and addresses the core issue of force rather than content judgements.
TTN might have had a liberal interpretation of ArbCom's instructions from the last case, but something like this would be a lot more clear cut, and I have no doubt he would follow it. Perhaps this could be given a trial time of a week or two, and if not effective then simply default to the 1.1 proposal that you are supporting now. I really believe this issue comes down to when situations where forced when challenged, and not the initial editorial actions. He would learn a lot from that kind of six month (or whatever) probation, and still be able to be constructive on Wikipedia. I also believe it's something that both "sides" would be able to live with. -- Ned Scott 04:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, this is what I was reverting, I have no idea why anything else was deleted with it but I was only removing the one thread. Benjiboi 05:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Attention-deficit_hyperactivity_disorder_controversies&curid=4833604&diff=195740692&oldid=195740454 --scuro (talk) 05:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Little good comes out of the way it is now. He has now instructed Ss how to be uncivil and given his seal of approval to do so. Today we saw the first example of an attack, more are sure to follow. Abd also speaks of restraining me. Did you actually read everything that he wrote? When, if not now would you file a complaint?--scuro (talk) 05:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I've reposted it. It will give them the chance to apologize. If not I will follow your advice.--scuro (talk) 06:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you posted your complaint about Ss there.--scuro (talk) 06:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
The instructions on Template:Indefblockeduser do point people to a "historical" parameter that can be used, but I fear many admins don't bother to use this when putting the template on the pages of established contributors that get blocked. One way to address this is to make the "historical" option the default, and to make "delete" the option that has to be typed or pasted in. Carcharoth (talk) 12:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I had never, to my knowledge, interacted with Boodles. Your edit summary of "feel free to gather more friends to outnumber me" was wildly inappropriate, and a complete and utter violation of the assumption of good faith required. Just because you feel the guy deserves to have user page content does not make it true, nor does it mean anyone is "gathering friends." I have not, at any time, contacted Boodles (or anyone else) on or off-project, to blank that userpage. Perhaps the fact that you're the only one restoring it, and more than one other editor is deleting it, should let you know that perhaps you're mistaken. Bellwether BC 18:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
This is in reply to your comment about the ShortSummary and LongSummary parameters. I hope that you as the developer of {{Episode list/Lost}} can help.
I messed around with the Short/LongSummary idea in User:Sgeureka/Template last month, but I gave up because I couldn't get the following case to work: When an templated episode (think {{Episode list/NAME_OF_THE_SHOW}}) in a season article doesn't have a LongSummary parameter (because most episodes using the old {{Episode list/NAME_OF_THE_SHOW}} don't have that parameter yet), the ShortSummary should be transcluded correctly on the season page. If however LongSummary is added for another episode of the same season (work-in-progress kind of a situation), then LongSummary should be transcluded per the updated {{Episode list/NAME_OF_THE_SHOW}}. ShortSummary should always be transcluded on the LoE.
I used User:Sgeureka/Sandbox#Real_Sandbox as "season" test page with User:Sgeureka/Template as the episode template, and used List of Stargate SG-1 episodes as the LoE page where User:Sgeureka/Sandbox#Real_Sandbox is transcluded (just using the preview, no saving). The episode "Prophecy" of this test case just has ShortSummary, and "Full Circle (Part 1)" has ShortSummary and LongSummary as parameters.
What I really haven't figured out yet is how to make the template check whether a parameter (i.e. LongSummary) even exists, and switch to ShortSummary otherwise. I already read meta:Help:ParserFunctions and the related pages, but was unable to find a solution. – sgeureka t•c 20:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
{{#ifeq:{{{PARAMETER|ʁ}}}|ʁ|IF NOT THERE|IF THERE}}
{{{PARAMETER|DEFAULT if not defined}}}
worked when a parameter was listed (|PARAMETER=
) but no text was entered for it. When you did that, DEFAULT
would not show up, and instead you would get nothing (since nothing was entered). By using #ifeq
this can actually be usable to trigger other things. If PARAMETER
is not listed then it displays the default "ʁ
". ifeq
checks to see if ʁ
is used, if it is then it will do one thing, if anything else is used (including "nothing") then, it will do something else. ʁ
is used because it's unlikely that ʁ
would ever be used for a parameter value. -- Ned Scott 20:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC){{#ifeq:{{{LongSummary|ʁ}}}|ʁ|{{{ShortSummary}}}|{{{LongSummary}}} }}
-- Ned Scott 20:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Thanks for your message on my talkpage. I note that the editor has now been unblocked by another uninvolved admin. I would comment that I blocked the account because of the incivility, with a tariff of indefinite because I was aware that they had another account. Per AGF I don't suppose that they used that other account to edit while this one was blocked - but that is the reason why alternate accounts are blocked when the individual is in violation of WP policy (see Good Hand, Bad Hand). I explained that if they were to identify their previous account by email to a CU or similar and it was determined that it was not being used then the tariff on this account could be adjusted. They did not choose to do so. In the end another sysop looked at the facts, and decided to unblock. That is fine, it's how things work around here. LessHeard vanU (talk) 09:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Ned, your efforts to see VivianDarkbloom unblocked deserve some serious credit. You've also defended me and TTN on separate occasions, and for that you have my thanks and respect. I'm happy to have you as a fellow editor, and as a fellow human being. --Pixelface (talk) 10:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
I posted some suggestions for changes in the WMF privacy policy at the WMF site: . The gist of the suggestions is to institute a requirement for notifying those registered users whose identifying info is being sought by subpoenas in third-party lawsuits. These suggestions are motivated in large part by a discussion that took place in January 2008 at the Village Pump (Policy) page in relation to an incident where identifying IP data of sixteen Wikipedia users was released in response to such a subpoena. I also left a note about these proposal at Village Pump, WP:Village_pump_(policy)#Suggestions_for_changes_in_the_WMF_privacy_policy. Since you have participated in the January Village Pump discussion, I hope that you will contribute to the discussion of the current suggestions at the WMF website, . Regards, Nsk92 (talk) 12:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. TTN (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is prohibited for six months from making any edit to an article or project page related to a television episode or character that substantially amounts to a merge, redirect, deletion, or request for any of the preceding, to be interpreted broadly. However, he is free to contribute on the talk pages or to comment on any AfD, RfD, DRV, or similar discussion initiated by another editor, as appropriate. Enforcement of this remedy is specified here.
Furthermore, the parties are instructed to cease engaging in editorial conflict and to work collaboratively to develop a generally accepted and applicable approach to the articles in question, and are warned that the Committee will look very unfavorably on anyone attempting to further spread or inflame this dispute. Please also note that the temporary injunction enacted by the Committee on February 3 in relation to this case now ceases to be in effect.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Ned, I saw your comment on Luna's page in response to my post there. I've created a meta account, but do not know my way around over there. A few pointers would be appreciated. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
... has now been deleted so you can do your page move. kind regards, nancy (talk) 08:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Such a senseless revert is likely to make the copy-editor very annoyed. You provided no reason. Did you actually compare the two versions? WTF was controversial about the changes, which, to my eyes, removed fluff and strengthened the existing meanings without changing their substance. Frankly, it's the way it should have been written in the first place.
Proper reasons please???? Tony (talk) 11:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Ned Flanders, I have helped with the numerical digimon list. I real create the actual page now. [[User:Looney 176 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.79.141 (talk) 13:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 15:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Ned. My notability merge drive of Stargate articles on single elements is nearing its end (there is still much to do afterwards). Since you have the SG wikiproject userbox on your userpage, and since you participated in some SG TfDs with keep, I ask you about your opinion on the following. I have the intention to propose it in the SG wikiproject later (I don't expect much of a response there, as it is pretty much abandoned).
I've been thinking for a while about merging all the SG templates ({{Stargate Races}}, {{StargateLists}}, {{StargateTech}}, {{StargateTopics}}, {{Stargate Characters}}, {{Stargate SG-1 Seasons}}) into something like this (which still lists some of the to-be-merged articles). The good about it is (1) it gets rid of a lot of redundance and (2) it lists all wikipedia articles (except episodes) that there are about the SG universe. Template:Harrypotter and Template:Buffyversenav also seem to do this. The bad thing is it is pretty big (I have a widescreen monitor, so I don't really mind). Also, if Stargate Universe gets picked up, the template will get even bigger. I don't know yet how many of the lists (especially RACE characters and RACE technology) will be considered for mergers into Miscellaneous lists, which in turn would reduce the template a little again. What do you think? – sgeureka t•c 00:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I consider rather rude to remove someone else's comments, as you did here. If you think the situation needs clarifying, you could add a further comment. Alternatively, if you think I should remove my note, you are welcome to discuss the matter with me on my talkpage (as I would rather have hoped you might have done in the first place). Regards, WjBscribe 04:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Do you know where can I find a pure Mediawiki code version of Template:Infobox animanga character?--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 05:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Ned,
Over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons we're working on condensing our thousands of creature pages into a number of list pages (see the discussion at User:BOZ/Monster Sandbox). We haven't decided how to do it yet, but it looks like a template is going to be needed. I'd like to create a template like Template:Episode list, but I'm out of practice and reading that page's code is difficult for me. If it's easy for you, could you chop Template:D&D creature list down to size for us. I copied the episode template over to it already. What I'd like is fields for "Name", "Page", and "Other Appearances", with a column spanning row called "Description" (instead of ShortSummary). If this is an easy thing for you and you want to, just go ahead and do it. I think once we have that, we can modify it. Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 07:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I blocked him indef as a temporary measure purely to stop any more vandalism, and posted at ANI to see what the community thought. The general consensus there was that given all the problems with his SIX previous accounts, and now this, that his chances had run out. I can't say I disagree; he had some good edits, but was getting to be a major time-sink for other editors. Black Kite 07:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Given the history of this editor, which I've seen back to 2005, with no earned blocks at all, and no warnings that I've seen either, his suddenly having two indef blocks, also without specific warnings, is pretty abrupt. The proper warning for the "vandalism," -- I think that technically one of these was vandalism, the other was a hoax article, which is generally not treated as severely as vandalism, I think, unless repeatedly done -- would have been a warning only, with block if repeated. A 24-hour block would have been justifiable. Beyond that, because of his history, it's possible to treat this as a second offense, so the block would escalate to the next step. Which has already expired, I think. So what I'd ask from the blocking admin is that he state that he will lift on request. He can make conditions for that, which might or might not be challenged. Mbstpo's position was that he did not wish to edit the encyclopedia if he was denied the normal facilities of editors. He'd actually been a very productive editor in article space, and had simply begun to apply that experience in the area of policy and process. With, shall we say, spectacular results. Sometimes very good ideas, when first introduced, do set off some fireworks.... --Abd (talk) 16:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you please read this proposal and my comment on the RfC? Then could you A.) post a reply to my idea and B.) if you agree, discuss how we could create and implement this robot? I truly believe this could help new editors before they create articles. Ursasapien (talk) 06:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I started to get truly exercised about this when I realized that the ArbComm decision was being misrepresented before the MfD. ArbComm specifically encouraged PHG to continue to contribute to the articles, simply not through direct editing, and not with incivility. Ironic, is it not, that PHG's error -- ArbComm did not impute bad faith as being involved -- was to cite sources when the sources contained contrary information (apparently in addition to what he cited or was implying, not as direct falsification), and then the same thing is done by them with respect to reporting the arbitration. Or possibly even worse.... It is very clear to me now, it was not clear at first. The ArbComm decision almost requires keeping these pages. Sure, PHG can take them off-wiki, which then makes it more cumbersome for him to then pull material from them and copy it to the relevant Talk pages. That is inhibiting what ArbComm specifically encouraged.
Thanks for all your support for good causes, by the way ... --Abd (talk) 16:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I un-closed the deletion nomination because it has not still been 5 days since I put it up, and I want to make sure there are no complaints later about no consensus or about rushed deletions. If the barnstar gets re-created on a different form, I want to make sure we can point ot this debate without getting lame complaints of un-appropiateness.
I understand your decision of userfying and not losing time with this sort of stuff, but, if the result is deletion, then it should be deleted even if it's userfied, since the point of the deletion is that it shouldn't exist at all anywhere on the wikipedia. --Enric Naval (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
P.D.:Of course, feel free to give your opinion that it should be userfied, but please let an admin close the debate, since I want to be sure that the process is 100% adjusting to procedure --Enric Naval (talk) 10:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, you rushed it a bit there. I know that it's frustrating having to wait a few days for a deision that you think is very clear, but on a collaborative project it's always important to be ultra-patient, wait for consensus, abide when the majority is against you (this is what annoys me more, but many times I discovered I was the one that was wrong), and follow the procedures. Well, you didn't cause any non-reparable damage, and the next time you know what *not* to do on a nomination process. You could say that you had an educative experience :D --Enric Naval (talk) 09:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Please stop forum shopping the deletion of the Daniel Brandt redirect - it is extremely disruptive. This will be grounds for blocking if you continue. krimpet✽ 05:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
The matter of the redirect is now at DRV, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 March 24#Daniel Brandt. -- Ned Scott 07:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your belated communication. Neither of us handled the situation well, and it became extraordinarily destructive. In a re-run of that scenario, you might have been better to revert just the third point—the only one with which you took issue (it was the ham-fisted total reversion of my work, most of which was a clear improvement and not at issue, that particularly rankled me). You might also have brought on board someone like Geist as soon as possible to tease apart the issue, rather than letting it fester without apparent reason—that, as you can imagine, fuelled the impression that you were merely power-playing and seeing through ownership. I'm sorry that it happened this way. Tony (talk) 06:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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Following your edits on Village Pump and the Administrators' noticeboard for incidents, I had a strong impression that you were trying to increase drama levels over the Daniel Brandt affair, and may have overreacted. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 00:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification, I assume it will be at the usual place? (Also, do you want any further explanation from me regarding the deletions?) Cheers, Keilana|Parlez ici 01:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that you gave this to Viridae, and I'm just wondering what's so funny about adding a vulgar personal attack to every article. Thanks! —David Levy 02:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Would there be any prejudges to a "new participant" category that implored a technical method of management? -- Ned Scott 01:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Which pages do you want? Give me a list and I'll post them to your userspace for a day or so (protected of course), assuming their not BLPs and no one jumps on me in the next 5 mins. MBisanz talk 06:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
and thanks for signing up as interested in the 'NotTheWikipediaWeekly' conversation project - we haven't yet suggested a date and time, so I thought I'd pop round here and ask you if something along the lines of Monday 7th April, 22.30 UTC might work ok? - It's great to have more people interested, and I'm very keen to be able to include as many folk as possible - hence my trip here! - how does that sound? - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 09:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible to locate a reference that claims these attacks were perpetrated by the same group, that does not first cite Kevin Poulsen or Wired as its source? Reprints of the same source that cite that source are effectively just the same source, reprinted. As far as I can tell, the fountain of information regarding this claim still belches forth from a single point, that of convicted felon Kevin Poulsen via his position at Wired magazine. Zaphraud (talk) 15:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
for helping on the unblock. 50MWdoug (talk) 09:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure you meant to decategorize the template? :P -- lucasbfr talk 16:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you please not close the MfD? At least two (perhaps three) users feel the page should be deleted. I understand you don't, but couldn't you just vote rather than close? Deletion takes at least 5 days anyway. There's no "rush". Equazcion •✗/C • 06:34, 4 Apr 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I'm sorry I've been MIA for so long... I want to at least fix poor Wikipe-tan's right foot before she's put up for FPC, and now that I got my tablet working again I'm going to get that done within the next couple of days. Sorry about the delay, but hopefully she'll look better when I'm done and the FPC will go that much better ;) -- Editor at Large • talk 11:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks,
I've confirmed a time for the next conversation on Tuesday night, US time, (Wednesday, 02.30 UTC). Huge apologies that this isn't going to be good for Euro folk, and I know Anthony and Peter will likely be unable to attend therefore. It's possible we need a bit of a wiki effort at the project page to better organise and plan conversations - and I'd also like to encourage all interested folks to watchlist that page for updates / changes etc. which will probably be a smoother way of staying in touch than many talk page messages (though it's great that more people are expressing interest in participating...). With that in mind, if you'd like to reply to this message, please do so at my talk page, and I'll respond as soon as I can.
If you are able to attend at the given time, please do head over to Wikipedia:NotTheWikipediaWeekly#Confirmed_Participants and sign up - this is a great help in making sure everyone is around. We generally chat for about 10 minutes before 'going live' and the whole process takes about an hour, and I very much look forward to chatting to all!
best, Privatemusings (talk) 00:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Ned Scott...You are invited to discuss a guideline for the naming and organization of user categories that involve media and genres. - LA @ 10:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The comment about deleting the pages by the end of the day was a joke, but the pages are all under MfD. I trust you have seen that. Cheers, ~ Riana ⁂ 04:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted your change to {{temporary userpage}} in which you removed CAT:TEMP. This is the only real point to the tag to begin with so I think it needs to be there. To the extent that it is correctly used on some indef blocked userpages it is an appropriate category (as much so as using the same cat in indef blocked tags). On the other hand, I think we should consider deleting the tag altogether or merging it to an indef blocked tag. Of course, whether or not such pages should be deleted is a related but different issue, which I encourage you to drive forward on. I am going through and looking for {{temporary userpage}} tags that are used on pages that are not indef blocked and removing them. The majority of pages have duplicate tags (both {{temporary userpage}} and an indef blocked tag), but a few have only the {{temporary userpage}} tag.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 15:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Ryan Postlethwaite beat me to it Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_April_10#Template:Temporary_userpage.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 15:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Clow Card Arc: 1-18 and Talk:Clow Card Arc: 36-46 didn't have anything other than a redirect. The edits to Talk:Sakura Card Arc: 60-70 were not significant enough to require keeping the page. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
For the moment, I've stopped deleting them. Some of the arguments presented in favor of keeping them are kinda silly and remind me of think of the children. However, I can see the rationale behind people not wanting to create red links simply to create red links, which is why I only delete(d) ones that had no incoming links. I don't foresee any deletions of orphaned redirects in the near future, however, I will say that under CSD, I would consider this part of the housekeeping criterion. That said, I will be doing talk page cleanout for quite some time and may even restart some article work(!). I wouldn't worry too much about the redirects, I really wouldn't. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Evening. I recently noticed Jack Merridew's indefinite ban. I gather that the two of you were compatriots of a sort, and I had defended him from vandals despite our directly opposing views; I wanted to discuss editing philosophies once I could muster that sort of coherence again.
If we find ourselves in the same city in the near future, want to go get drunk and brood? --Kizor 13:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I'm trying to transclude {{Episode list/Degrassi}} from each season page onto List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes, but without including the ep summary. Is this fixable? Regards, -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 20:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed the transclusions of the season tables which you introduced. Pure genius. One thing I don't understand is why the summaries aren't transcluded with the rest of the tables? Is there a trick to that? Dorftrottel (vandalise) 21:40, April 15, 2008
I unblocked Jacob Green696 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) about 10 minutes ago, and I apologise for the unorthodox approach I took to the blocking. In retrospect, however, I do find it a little concerning that first edits like this (where some experience is shown and hinted) and in combination with the recent activity regarding ElisaEXPLOSION, I felt a block had been warranted–but in the absence of any further evidence to conclude the account could be under the control of Elisa, an unblock was necessary. Regards, Rudget 15:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there... I reverted the edits you made to Template:Knot-details because they were creating formatting issues with the infobox becoming much too wide on many (all?) articles. Your edit looked well-intentioned so please feel free to try again. But please verify the results by checking a few knotting articles (e.g. Constrictor knot, Buntline hitch, Carrick bend, etc.) after changing the template. Thanks. --Dfred (talk) 02:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at the behavior as a whole. There was no explanation for the edits. Even when warned, the only reply was to blank his talk page. Then he apparently switched to an IP to continue along as if nothing ever happened. I was not the only editor who tried to get a response out of this user. There was none. At one point he chopped the Pauley Pavilion article in half. Still no edit summary oe explanation for these actions. If he had spoken up at some point to let someone know why here was doing this, this whole sorry mess could have been averted. But he didn't. That made it harder and harder to assume good faith as the behavior escalated. DarkAudit (talk) 13:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
With regard to your comments on User talk:Niteshift36: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. attacking my decisions. Comment on content, not the contributor ScarianCall me Pat! 16:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. You are among the few ones that noticed that my comment on the discussion page of the article FIFA World Cup was something I apologized about, and it was not a serious threat. Can you please help me get my user page unblocked? I am an old active user contributor and I have a bunch of material for articles I have been working on. I appreciate it. User:Camilo Sanchez Posted via IP: 68.197.6.70
{{Unblock|Request}}
. Be polite, apologies, and tell them you understand why we take the no-threats issue so seriously (I'm hopping that you actually do understand this, and would not just be saying it to just be unblocked). We're pretty good about giving users another chance, so as long as you mean it, you'll probably be given one. -- Ned Scott 04:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)Thought you might like to know the above editor is being discussed at WP:AE#And so it begins again. Thought you might be able to contribute something there. John Carter (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Following the same example used for Template:Episode list/Lost and Template:Episode list/Lassie, I helped another editor learn do to the same for List of Blue Heelers episodes and List of McLeod's Daughters episodes. The Blue Heelers is working fine, but the one for McLeod's Daughters Template:Episode list/McLeod's Daughters is not working. The summaries are still showing on List of McLeod's Daughters episodes. I've checked the code and can't see anything wrong, so I was wondering if you could take a look.
As a side note, I was wondering if maybe a generic form of this hack might be something we could make that could be passed params for the episode list name so we wouldn't have to make a new one for each show that is basically the same except for the name of the list to hide summaries from? Collectonian (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Before you finish with those deletions, I should tell you that I plan to bring that to DRV. The category was not meant to be an article collaboration category, but a technical aid category, and there were many things not even considered in the debate. -- Ned Scott 19:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed your revert edit on April 6 of the Terriermon article to clean up a made up attack. But the problem is that the one responsible was also a repeat offender who did it with other Digimon articles which I took notice when I was cleaning up vandalism done to the Koji Minamoto article and found out that this person was never sent a warning for his work despite the weeks that his information. Since I know you are involved with the Digimon project I should let you know especially since in most cases the material lasted weeks before someone noticed. -71.59.237.110 (talk) 06:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I notice your "speedy keep" there, but wasn't clear about the meaning of your comment "Speedy keep, at most we would mark it as historical (or some other tag)." Do you mean "as of" should be retained in some kind of historical category, but not be a standard link? TONY (talk) 08:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for helping me with my unblock request. This has been a stressful week for me.R00m c (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I first want to say that your efforts to advocate for blocked users are commendable, however I think your specific approach may be counterproductive for several reasons.
Please stop posting so many unblock requests for other users, and if you wish to advocate for them, use WP:ANI instead so that many people may review and fuller sense of consensus on the matter can be reached. Thanks. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Ned: How many of your unblock requests have been declined? I think you don't truly understand how these blocks work (like when you said "only if good hand/bad hand", which is not true). You should research the edits or reasoning more. You often come off as just attacking the blocking admins based on his superficial reading of the issue. I think it'd be better if you told users about how to unblock rather than submit the request yourself via the template, or use ANI for a review like Jayron32 suggested. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Ned,
Please don't reorder my comments - they're replies to specific points and they don't make sense out of context. Now that I know you don't like having your comments split I'll try to avoid doing so. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I note that the preamble you introduced to an earlier draft has been removed. I am of the view it should remain, and I wondered what you opinion is. --Gavin Collins (talk) 16:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, everything is available in my archives. I try to keep the number of revisions below the bigdelete threshold, and I prefer not to have all the vandalism and suchlike in the history. If you want me to selectively restore some, I can, it's just that I find it easier to just restore 1. It's available for viewing by admins, of course, it's not like it's been oversighted. :) Keilana|Parlez ici 14:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Re: your question. Since you've aligned yourself with those who do not have an interest with having Wikipedia fulfill the following quote of Jimbo's: "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." I could name names, but I believe you are aware of them already. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 07:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I have been WP:BOLD and reformatted the header to allow faster review of the concerns you have raised. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
When a "thank you" is due... :) -- Cat chi? 18:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Maybe? Sort of. Kinda. I got rid of some that had absolutely no incoming links, hadn't been touched in over a month, and had only one revision. A pretty narrow subset, which I think in the overall scheme of deletions, is uncontroversial housekeeping. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Ned, I have asked you before to keep your comments civil and avoid personal attacks, especially in edit summaries. This edit summary is neither civil nor in keeping with our policy on personal attacks. Please could you modify your behaviour. All the best, Hiding T 23:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you know that I've requested input on this matter from outside parties at Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. Hiding T 12:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Incivility creates a hot, unfriendly space and a sense of threat; with civility, there's respect and a sense of safety and collegiality between all concerned, producing ample room for negotiation. Incivility puts people on the defensive, closing their minds to other ideas and preventing a consensus from forming.
More seriously, it makes people unhappy, and their discouragement could lead to departure from Wikipedia. Because Wikipedia is at heart an online community, to maintain the effectiveness of the community, all members must be civil to one another and remember why they have joined the community in the first place. Create an environment that supports other editors, and that does not encourage or support breaches of incivility. Editors can apply peer pressure by voicing displeasure each time rudeness or incivility happens. All contributors are expected to assume good faith towards each other (within reason), in order to try and uphold a reasonably civil atmosphere. |
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Ned, speaking as a guy who really likes your style, I have to say it seems like you have had a rough couple of days. I love the way you are passionate you stand up for what you think is right, and always defend the little guy. Nonetheless, you seem to be increasingly snippy and easily drawn into conflict recently. You mentioned that you are having difficulties in your real life, as well. As a friend, I would encourage you to take a little break if you have not already. If you have feel free to ignore and/or delete this message as you see fit. Remember, in the end it is just an encyclopedia. I wish you the best, on and off wiki. Ursasapien (talk) 06:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Ned I thank you for your support as well! <font color="red">Battoubro</font> (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
G'day NotTheWikipediaWeeklian (p'raps we need a catchier nom de plume?) - it's terribly short notice but I'm going to be hosting a discussion tomorrow, Thursday 15th May at 23.00 UTC (head to the 'NotTheWikipediaWeekly' page for full info, and a date and time convertor) - that's about 21 hours from now....... There could well be an additional conversation 24 hours later - so take your pick! - I will likely cover the topics which I nominated, and am aiming for a snappy 40minute conversation - do come along if you can! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Your input welcome about the question.Kww (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Well done. Thanks for your reply btw - the Zen will start to work our way at some point. We are right after all. Eusebeus (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
ATTN: PelleSmith, Pippu d'angelo, Itsmejudith, Blnguyen, Angusmclellan, Conman, SQL, Ned Scott and AussieLegend
I think it is in all our interests that we resolve the debate on the cited number of Chilean-Australians.
TeePee and myself have presented our arguments and rebuttals for some days now.
I thank you for your attention to the issues, and especially for bearing with us in this challenging debate. While I can not speak for TeePee, I would assume he is equally grateful.
But now is the time to get this debate finally finished.
I have drafted a comprimise version here (15:58, 17 May 2008 ) which provides references to the Jupp 2001 estimate and the ABS 2006 ancestry estimate, with caveats attached which explain their respective difficiencies.
Now I respectfully ask if you could pass judgement on my text for this version, with a support or oppose provided on Talk:Chilean Australian. If you have not responded by 20 May I will presume you have elected not to take part.
I myself, and I would hope and expect TeePee, will abide by your ruling.
Thank you. Kransky (talk) 16:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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