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Hi, I've taken a look at that page but can see a bias take on it. Can we not put a Neutral point of view i.e the Sikh vs Rest of India viewpoint on him like I done with the WPD edit. Jattlife121 (talk) 01:08, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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your source not unreliable it's made classifications of languages of the region at the time old punjabi the word punjabi was not used to refer to the language of the region so calling it punjabi is historically inaccurate and not supported by facts. it is geo-politically motived attempt to make punjabi language seems older than it really is just like old seraiki made up by seraiki nationalists. there's no such thing as old punjabi or even more absurd "medieval" punjabi modern panjabi can traced back to 16th century that's around when the word punjabi used to refer to the languages spoken around these Rivers started. guru granth sahib is not written in punjabi and it shouldn't be used as source for punjabi it's written in hodge podge of languages, the only "punjabi' you can find in guru sahib is western punjabi which is mixed with sindhi and western hindi. IMPNFHU (talk) 22:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
in order to be classified as different language the language has to meet several criteria most important of them being grammar and mutual intelligibility. for example Anglo sexon and English, they are both different languages grammatically and are not mutually intelligible old. punjabi doesn't meet any of these criteria. IMPNFHU (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I just recently got back into Wikipedia. I am trying to get old punjabi removed from wiktionary it's a made-up completely unnecessary language. IMPNFHU (talk) 22:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
punjabi is not a single language it is a term that was recently(few centuries ago) started being used to refer to the languages spoken around these rivers historically, punjabi was know as various regional names such as multani or the more broad term hindavi or hindi. IMPNFHU (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
there are way more linguistics that does not consider old punjabi an actual language than than the only one I know(that you mentioned) who does. the institutes that regulate punjabi in India, punjabi university of partial and bhasha vibhaag does not consider old punjabi to be an actual language. IMPNFHU (talk) 23:10, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
The age of Old Punjabi: up to 1600 A.D. […] It is said that evidence of Old Punjabi can be found in the Granth Sahib.
As an independent language Punjabi has gone through the following three stages of development: Old Punjabi (10th to 16th century). Medieval Punjabi (16th to 19th century), and Modern Punjabi (19th century to Present).
Surpassing them all in the frequent subtlety of his linguistic choices, including the use of dialect forms as well as of frequent loanwords from Sanskrit and Persian, Guru Nanak combined this poetic language of the Sants with his native Old Punjabi. It is this mixture of Old Punjabi and old Hindi which constitutes the core idiom of all the earlier Gurus.
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are you a punjabi nationalist? didn't read my reply? it's not considered an actual language by the institutes that regulates this language. old punjabi is as much of a language as old seraiki. it is made up for geo-politically reasons by people like you. IMPNFHU (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
guru granth sahib is not written in punjabi so stop referring it me as evidence or the linguistics who refers it's language as old punjabi. can you give a link to the part in guru granth sahib that uses this language? a user on wiktionary cited start nanak's verses in adi granth as old punjabi, so i checked it and saw that he uses a weird mixed hindish language that's obviously not punjabi. IMPNFHU (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
once again you're giving sources that calls guru granth sahib's mixed language as old punjabi, refers to apabhramsa as old punjabi and calls the language (which is mutually intelligible with punjabi spoken now) of Sikh empire 17th-18th century as medieval punjabi. OK, let' leave aside the made-up names and classification of historical languages and look at historical facts. punjabi language didn't even existed back the at the time your source are claiming to it to be and, people didn't even used the word punjabi to refer to their language. give me a source that proves that people called their language punjabi back then and we'll go on from there. IMPNFHU (talk) 00:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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Khalsa bole is a very good page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 03:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Khalsa Fauj is a very good page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 06:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC) |
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I removed those references and text because I wrote them below in more detail. 2409:40D6:101D:FDB8:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 11:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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"other nonsensical Indian government propaganda."? >>> Extorc.talk 21:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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I didn't remove large parts of the text, only 2 sentences or so, please read the description before stalking me on all my edits and removing them thanks. Mujiwins (talk) 15:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting one of my statements which I made by mistake in "The Mahdi" Mujiwins (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Just so you know Crusaderfortruth2023 on his talk page is calling you a Khalistani sympathiser. CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 10:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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@CanadianSingh1469 , @Usingh0663 , @Jattlife121 , @Javerine , @Ronnie Macroni , @Twarikh e Khalsa – Hello all, just thought I would let you all know that I have returned from my trip overseas and will start regularly contributing to Wikipedia again, I hope I did not miss too much while I was away (I see Javerine has been banned for being a sockpuppet account). I am looking forward to continue working with you all on improving Sikh and Punjabi-related articles (if I forgot to ping anyone, my apologies). Cheers, ThethPunjabi (talk) 07:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Can you review changes in article Kaur? I have added sources. Adding @CanadianSingh1469 as well if he has input based on wide knowledge on Sikh History. 2600:1016:B002:73FC:D51F:8A26:79F3:73B5 (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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Can you please provide source link where it mentions Hans as a Punjabi Arora, Chuhra or a Mirasi clan? Also just wanted to know why were my changes reverted when i had added the relevant links to my sources. Thank you. Ishtpreethans (talk) 07:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I am looking for the flag or symbol of Punjab Police. I haven’t found it on commons. Since you are a master at this, can you add it? CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 00:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I have included a picture of Sikhs of the Indian Hockey Team who won Bronze at Helsinki 1952 Olympics on the article. Thanks for your effort and help on the article. Really do appreciate it. . I've got a whole draft for Sikhs in Portugal and Spain coming soon on that same scale i've done with Sikhism in Italy (where i've updated everything) Jattlife121 (talk) 17:27, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
I am making an article about Mankera fort. I was thinking can you add a picture of the ruins of the fort which exist today? Thanks Ronnie Macroni (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
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Ye rajput khud Rajasthan ki khyat me or inscriptions me brahmins ki aulade bata rakhe hai or rajput bas ek title hai ,na ki koi caste Gaur brahmin (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Buddy it makes no sense to have battle of khanadar 1834 and to include the sikhs in the Anglo-Afghan war. First the Anglo-afghan war happened between 1839-1842 so why the hell is there a battle which is supposed to be from that war in 1834?? Also Sikhs never went to Kandahar. 2nd the sikhs only were involved in an invasion of Kabul in 1839 that’s it and that was a victory. So it’s stupid to include the sikhs in the Anglo-afghan war when they only did 1 thing and were successful. Historian2325 (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
I did make a mistake by saying the battle of Kandahar was apart of the Anglo-Afghan wars. It wasn’t and was listed as an afghan-Sikh war which is ridiculous. Shah shuja durrani was living in Punjab during these times and was trying to befriend the Sikhs and British as he believed they could help him get his kingdom back. This battle was apart of shah shuja war to regain his kingdom not the Afghan-Sikh wars cuz again Sikhs never went to Kandahar Historian2325 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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