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Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2019

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164.116.94.129 (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)hello. i would like to edit this. just to see if there are any spelling errors. 164.116.94.129 (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. -- ferret (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

LV is LOVE

The notes area refers to LV as experience level, and it is, but it neglects to mention that it is also considered LOVE in the game, and never refers to LV as experience, which I find important to the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.41.55 (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2020

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I request that in the Deltarune section, you say that Toby Fox said that it may take 999 years to make the next chapter on his own. 76.242.25.123 (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Clearly a joke/bit of sarcasm on his part. Not necessary to include. --Masem (t) 16:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2020

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SkeleGamer (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)I think there should be a change in the plot section where it explains of ALL the the endings to Undertale (True Pacifist, Neutral, Genocide, and Soulless Pacifist).SkeleGamer (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please note that Wikipedia articles are intended to be a summary of information about the subject, not a comprehensive guide to all possible details, so please also explain why this information is helpful for readers of this article. Wikipedia is not a video game guide. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Without being made aware of your request, i added in names and descriptions for the three main endings (barring Soulless pacifist) Mandatorymist77 (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2019

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I cant see where to by this game anywhere. I would add an article saying where I can get this game God of OC (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: This page is for discussing improvements to the article or for requesting changes to the article. We cannot provide purchasing advice. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:29, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

You can buy the game on steam for $10 on pc, and about $15 on PS store or Nintendo switch Mandatorymist77 (talk) 19:37, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't UNDERTALE be in all caps?

The title says it all 10:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serouj2000 (talk • contribs)

No, we follow standard English capitalization and don't mimic logos and other stylizations - see MOS:TM for more information from the manual of style.--Alexandra^IDV 11:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I personally think that it's stylisation as "UNDERTALE" should be included, but both my edits to the article which added it have been reversed. Mandatorymist77 (talk) 19:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

When the stylization is just a standard ALLCAPS, there's nothing special to note about it, and thus we ignore it. Only when it is something non-standard like how F.E.A.R. 3 was promoted as "F.3.A.R." do we take the time to briefly mention it. --Masem (t) 21:18, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Moon

The newly added section on Moon does some weird things with Fox's quotes. Someone should look over it and smooth out the macaronic nature of it.--Megaman en m (talk) 00:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2020

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I need to right some wrong info. For instance, undertale is widely known to be developed by toby by himself but that is not true and he did have a small team of other devs such as Temmie... Chang, I believe her last name is. Rinoking358 (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rinoking358:  Not done. Temmie Chang's work is already described in the article. Any other contributors to the game's development require discussion by reliable sources to demonstrate notability. – Rhain ☔ 22:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021

Hi, Can you put in the "Hopes and Dreams" section the full song? And change "one of the final bosses" to The final boss? Waylon111 (talk) 01:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC) |ans=no

@Waylon111: Only a limited sample of the song is permitted; read up on WP:SAMPLE for more information. – Rhain ☔ 01:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Undertale 5th Anniversary

We need to add info on the 5th anniversary of the game this can include the merch, concert and more — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonic Punch Revival (talk • contribs) 15:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Chara and Player.

In the 'Plot' section, it says that Chara 'influenced' Frisk, but there is no evidence in the game pointing towards that. In fact, Chara says 'Interesting. You want to go back. You want to go back to the world you destroyed', implying, no, explicitly stating that Frisk/Player did the genocide run. On the topic of the player, it's canon that the player is a character in the game. Sans' 'dirty hacker' ending, Sans continuously breaking the fourth wall, and in Deltarune , Gaster talking to the player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigSillyOrangeCat (talk • contribs) 13:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

You're right. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite. Frisk influenced Chara, hence the ending. But I'm not going to add that, since other interpretations are possible. pandakekok9 (talk) 04:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Pacifist route name

In the "plot" section of the game, it claims that the ending you get if you don't kill anyone, befriend everyone, go to the True Lab, etc. the name of the ending is "pacifist". However, most people call it the "true" pacifist ending and the ending you get if you fufill the requirements for a "true" pacifist ending without completing a neutral run a "pacifist" neutral ending. Should this be changed to avoid confusion or...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RainbowTaIes (talk • contribs) 16:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Pacifist ending doesn't require a second playthrough

A recent edit brought to light that this article claims that in order to read the pacifist ending, a player must've completed a neutral playthrough.

"On a second playthrough of the game after completing the "Neutral" ending, if the player kills no monsters"...

This is technically correct, however this does not mean that two separate playthroughs have to be involved, as is currently implied. You can finish the neutral playthrough as your first run and then go straight into the pacifist-exclusive content if you didn't kill any monsters along the way; no replaying is needed. Also this bit has a source at the end of it, but I'm not sure what is even taken from the source. As far as I can tell the source doesn't even mention the pacifist run, neutral runs or even the concept of not killing anyone at all. I say this sentence should be rewritten to something like "If the player reaches the neutral ending without killing any monsters..." and just remove the source altogether.Megaman en m (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

At least going through guides, I think we may be mixing up the True Pacifist ending with the normal Pacifist ending; the True Pacifist requires a prior playthrough to complete. And to that level of detail, I am having difficulty in great sources nor it is appropriate to WP per GAMEGUIDE (identifying the general class of Neutral, Pacifist and Genocide runs are sufficient). In any case, I removed the playthrough requirement on that. That source, however, while it did not mention "Pacifist" run directly, clearly alluded to the route, so it is still valid, but I backed up with another source. --Masem (t) 14:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

Can someone change the last paragraph in the Plot section to exclude “No Mercy” as an alternative name for the genocide route? It’s a completely different playthrough style Lsbradl (talk) 17:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

We run into a problem here: you'd need to point out a reliable source that differentiates the No Mercy run from a Genocide run. I quickly looked through the given citations for that statement and none of them differentiate the two. Do you have such a source?--Megaman en m (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Undertale falls into the category "Video games about time loops"

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Add "Category:Video games about time loops" line. I mean, Undertale does fall under the definition (Video games in this category involve games where a major plot element, if not the central element to the game, is where a character is stuck in a time loop.). There're several characters that know that they live in a loop (Frisk/Chara, Flowey/Asriel, Sans) and they DO have a hope to break the loop (pacifist ending that's not restarted by the main character). Besides that, the player's actions change the loop, just like in Deathloop or twelve minutes. SpectralniyRus (talk) 10:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 Note: added the WP:Colon trick to the category name   melecie   t 10:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done   melecie   t 10:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe...

Maybe add more details to the Genocide or No Mercy section? Preferably at turning points such as killing Papyrus, Undyne the Undying, or Mettaton NEO? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalGamerX12 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

confusion about demo

There's this sentence in the 2nd paragraph: "Originally, Undertale was meant to be two hours in length and was set to be released in mid-2014. However, development was delayed over the next three years." This is very misleading. A demo was released, and then the scope of the game increased, so there was a kickstarter and then the game was made into what it is today. That doesn't sound at all like being "delayed" to me. Someone should change or remove it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.253.154 (talk) 23:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This sentence was added in 2016. Originally, it read: Undertale was to be two hours and released in summer 2014, but development halted and programming took two-three years, effectively extending the campaign and delaying the release. It's weird that it remained in the article for so long considering that it's unsourced and not mentioned in the body. The sentence should probably be moved to the Development section with added context. Dexxor (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Undertale also along with the huge fanbase, Has many fan made AUs. (Alternate Universes)

I think that they should add it to the wiki. AUs such as Underfell, Underswap, Horrortale Dreamtale

And so on 165.199.181.11 (talk) 16:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Any reliable sources that establish the notability of any of those AUs? Then no, this isn't appropriate for Wikipedia. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone have a source saying that Mr. Bean was one of the inspirations for Undertale?

The article claims Mr. Bean was one of the inspirations, but is there an actual source backing this up? I mean, the way Papyrus gets the players phone number is a very similar concept to those scenes in the Mr. Bean's Holiday movie (calling all the phone numbers until he gets the right one), but that could just be a coincidence. Is it ever officially stated that one of the game's inspirations is Mr. Bean? Randitor (talk) 06:30, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Randitor: Yes, it's cited immediately after the relevant sentence in "Writing". – Rhain ☔ 06:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Rhain: Apologies, missed that section (was only looking in the top section and not when it was mentioned later). Did have a little trouble finding the interview via the link. "DB Connection failed" so it might be dead. Way back machine is no good either because while the link survived, the playback did not because flash is dead. However, I was able to find a version of the source that is not a dead link. GI Show – Yoshi's Woolly World, Star Wars: Battlefront, Undertale's Toby Fox Should the source be replaced with this one because the link is not dead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randitor (talk • contribs) 07:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Randitor: Good catch; seems like they just changed the URL. I've replaced the links. – Rhain ☔ 07:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

What are the names of all of the 7 human souls

I don’t know the names of all the souls, so could somebody tell me? 47.226.160.14 (talk) 12:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I do not believe this is ever addressed in the game.--Alexandra^IDV 13:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Suggest adding to Category:Video_games_with_oblique_graphics

Since significant portions of the graphics use an oblique projection technique similar to Earthbound. Similarly, someone may want to include Deltarune in that same category. 2600:1700:55F0:F3E0:AD5B:9746:EE0F:1AC0 (talk) 23:03, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2022

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In Release > Deltarune, "Once all chapters are complete, the game will be released as one whole package" should be changed to something along the lines of "Once chapters 3, 4 and 5 are complete, the game will be released as a paid product unlike the previous demo releases."

Source for information: The official Deltarune Update Blog - September, 2021 Miss Hooman Bean (talk) 16:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. ostensibly singular userpage (inquire within) 21:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Mr.Bean and Mario & Luigi

This page sights both Mr.Bean AND Mario & Luigi as inspirations for Undertale, when neither have ever once been brought up by toby when naming inspiration. Mr.Bean was a bit of a meme back in the day. While I can find some unsourced claims which say that Toby's sense of humor was inspired by Mr.Bean, this seems to be totally fabricated. And while undertale shares elements with the mario and luigi games, toby never once sighted it as an inspiration. 2600:4040:7E99:2000:79D9:39DD:4CF:7CD3 (talk) 05:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The Mario series influence was mentioned by Toby Fox himself in an interview. If Toby Fox isn't a reliable source for Undertale's inspiration, then what is? The Mr. Bean one requires listening to a 45-minute long podcast, which I don't feel like doing right now (or in general), but I'll assume it's in there as well.--Megaman en m (talk) 05:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The timestamp for Mr. Bean was in a hidden note, but I've moved it to {{rp}} for added clarification. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 06:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Insufficient plot summary

The plot summary skips over many crucial plot points, particularly in the True Pacifist route. I've attempted to edit together a better version but this has been repeatedly reverted due to exceeding a word limit (it says "generally" in the rules themselves, but I digress), so I'll post about it here. I do not believe a word limit matters if following it results in crucial plot beats going completely unmentioned. Harmonia per misericordia. OmegaFallon (talk) 04:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

It is way too long and unnecessarily detailed. Plot sections are generally used for giving a brief overview, and creating a summary with too much detail may make a section uncomfortable for readers to navigate. See WP:VG/PLOT and note that although the details you added are correct, the current plot shows basically the same thing with less words and is easier for readers to navigate ‡ The Night Watch ω (talk) 18:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Unless the plot has been significant dissected in secondary sources, plot sections should stay under 700 words. know sources discuss the various Pacifist and Genocide routes and how they impact the endings, but there's not much more beyond that.e Masem (t) 18:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The war started before 201X

Not to be that kind of person but 201X was the year the first human fell (proven by genocide route flavor text and the game intro). The war hapened sometime before that. 87.52.109.246 (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

It sure did, thanks for pointing that out. I moved the date. SimLibrarian (talk) 19:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2023

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Add Xbox series X and series S to list of supported consoles. 2603:7000:5F00:7DCB:49E3:88C8:E7AE:EF74 (talk) 07:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. There is no "list of supported consoles"; it's a list of platforms on which the game has been released. If the game has received an individual Xbox Series X/S release, then please provide a reliable source with this information. Thanks! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:03, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

The game is available on the Microsoft store for Xbox Series X/S Mr51000 (talk) 18:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

"Two chapters of a related game, Deltarune, were released in 2018 and 2021."

This is a really clunky way to phrase it, but I'm having trouble thinking of a better way. Eldomtom2 (talk) 18:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I would imagine stating it as being a "pseudo-sequel," but I'm sure there might be other ways to say this. Leifdotwav (talk) 16:49, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

LGBT

What makes it an LGBT-themed game in the wiki categorization? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virginia Courtsesan (talk • contribs) 00:38, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Undyne-Alphys is pretty strongly LGBT-theming to me. Not to mention the royal guards you can defeat by encouraging them to ask each other out, Frisk having no official gender and using they/them, etc. Couruu (talk) 09:58, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Non-defining, unsourced, not mentioned in prose. There's a difference between "happens to have some LGBT characters" and being a game explicitly related to LGBT. -- ferret (talk) 01:11, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand it's a gray line - but a game like KOTOR introduced a possible lesbian cross-species love triangle or something at one point...don't think anyone would say it was an LGBT game. I mean Star Trek has black characters but I'd raise an eyebrow at Category:Black television shows existing. People need to chill with the identity politics. Would probably support the deletion of the whole category. Virginia Courtsesan (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

There are a lot of scholar studies talking about Undertale's queer themes. I'll try to add it in a new "Themes" section. Skyshifter ^talk 15:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

FAC

I am thinking of working on this article to make it FA; how does everyone feel about it and is the article too far from it? It apparently is pretty close. Skyshifter ^talk 20:53, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I noticed there is a LOT of scholar articles that may warrant a "Themes" section in the article. It also seems like reception and cultural impact could be expanded. So not as close as I initially thought. Skyshifter ^talk 15:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

On a quick glance, I think that this article is likely very close to being eligible of the FA label. I think Development, Reception, Gameplay, and Plot are near perfect in the detail they give (though I do think that more explanation as to how the Genocide route is different could be given) to be eligible for such a status. Not too sure if a full fledged themes section could be done for a game like this, compared to a game that definitely deserves its themes section like Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty. NegativeMP1 06:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Personally, is seems like a themes section would be valid due to the various scholar articles discussing Undertale themes, mostly about ethics. It certainly wouldn't be the same size as the one in the Metal Gear Solid 2 page, though. (To be fair, I don't know how to differentiate a good academic paper from a bad one because so far I've only used news articles. It's possible that these dozens of articles can't even be added for an FA.)

Regarding Reception, I think more reviews could be added, including reception on the console ports. I think the section is not very complete considering the notoriety of Undertale. The last pararaph would probably be better at Characters of Undertale and Deltarune than here, too. Cultural impact could maybe add more information regarding the fandom of Undertale. Skyshiftertalk 16:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2024

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I need to remove the name "Frisk" as that is a spoiler and it is not intended to be revealed until the True Pacifist Route. KnowKnowMePro0484 (talk) 09:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

WP:SPOILERS Hyphenation Expert (talk) 10:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2023

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Change the following text: A third ending known as the "No Mercy" or "Genocide" ensues if the player kills all the monsters.

To the following: A third ending known as the "No Mercy" or "Genocide" ensues if the player not only kills all monsters encountered, but intentionally grinds killing them for EXP. Leifdotwav (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

The A.V. Club source that was originally cited supports this change.

"To stick to the bloody path, the player doesn’t merely avoid sparing creatures’ lives; they must seek them out to inflict violence. They must exterminate." (https://www.avclub.com/undertale-dares-players-to-make-a-mistake-they-can-neve-1798287299) Leifdotwav (talk) 18:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

That does not at all claim that it requires "grinding for EXP". It says you have to kill "all the monsters" until "But nobody came..." occurs. The current sentence is therefore correct. -- ferret (talk) 18:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Neither source (AV Club or Kotaku) supports changing the on-wiki sentence. --Pinchme123 (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

no monster apart from sans bleeds remember that Darkdanger404 (talk) 11:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2024

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put in brackets after the previous editer says bullet hell or as flowey says it friendliness pellets Darkdanger404 (talk) 11:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Which words specifically do you want to be wikilinked? Shadow311 (talk) 13:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Child name

The name “Frisk” is not supposed to be revealed until the true pacifist route, so let’s remove it! KnowKnowMePro0484 (talk) 01:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED. If you don't want to know spoiler details about a video game, you shouldn't read an encyclopedia entry on it. -- ferret (talk) 01:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit war resolution

Recently, I made an edit to the page changing multiple instances of "LOVE" to "LV" as that is what it is referred to in the game. My edit was reverted by User:Ferret who claimed that using "LOVE" was "better supported by the narrative". I disagree with this but I don't want to edit war. I invite Ferret and anyone else with an opinion on this matter to help resolve this. (I know I said that someone could revert me if I had made an error but I don't see how "LOVE" which is ONLY used by Flowey as far as I know is "better supported by the narrative". Again, if "LOVE" is used somewhere else in the game please let me know, I just need specifics.) TypoEater (talk) 19:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

The game's plot starts based around Flowey's deliberate misinformation. Your stated reason for changing this was that we all know he was lying. The new language, tries to trick them by lying, presumes the player's perception rather than relaying the plot detail. It's wordier to convey the same thing, which the resulted in another editor trimming it back down and losing the point, so I reverted it. You're free to change other instances of "LOVE" to "LV", outside of Flowey's specific lie at the beginning. -- ferret (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Maybe you should have made it more clear which part of my edit you were reverting, and, if possible, manually reverting just the problematic part. TypoEater (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

No, I was perfectly clear, you just disagree. I was reverting the core of the edit. At the same time, I don't think the article is harmed by LV being referred to as LOVE either, but I'm neutral on that. However, it's important to note that reliable secondary sources use LOVE, so we should probably stay as is. This is a GA and in good shape already. -- ferret (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Can you explain? Your original reply to my topic starter specifically stated "You're free to change other instances of "LOVE" to "LV", outside of Flowey's specific lie at the beginning." (I already re-did the main part before I saw this so PLEASE don't interpret this as me actually starting an edit war.) TypoEater (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted again as I didn't expect you to move so fast. First again, reliable secondary sources say LOVE. But even more importantly, Sans, whene explaining EXP and the acronyms, also says LOVE, not LV. This is clear in any video of the scene. -- ferret (talk) 19:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I just saw your re-revert summary where you clarified that Sans uses the term "LOVE". Again, I'm not an expert on the game and I apologize for my mistake. TypoEater (talk) 19:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

LV stands for LOVE which in turn stands for Level Of Execution points. LV would make more sense in this context and you could also add somewhere that LV stands for LOVE and Level Of Execution points. EA (talk) 18:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)