Talk:Stirling Terrace, Toodyay

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infobox - suburbs

The infobox currently says that Stirling Terrace passes through the "Suburb(s)" of Toodyay. I wouldn't have thought that Toodyay would be deemed to be a suburb. The infobox syntax is complex, and the documentation doesn't help in this case, so the solution is not obvious to me. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:31, 10 March 2014 (UTC) @Evad37: Gnangarra 09:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames and Gnangarra:

1. What would you expect instead of "Suburb(s)" ?
2. According to Main Roads, there is a suburb of Toodyay with post code 6566 ( → search → Suburb/Locality: Toodyay)
3. Using |city= instead of |through= displays the more general label "Location" (under the 'General information' section) instead of "Suburbs"

Also pinging @AussieLegend: as a regular maintainer of the template - Evad37 [talk] 10:13, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• suburbs imply its part of a greater city area, I'd expect either town or locality(less correct location) assuming localities would be necessary in circumstances Coondle, Nobel Falls(border line town), Morangup, Moondyne, Nardie etc though Towns like Toodyay, Gidgee, Chidlow maybe needs a second parameter/switch to define them, even a burb option for Toodyay road case where it passes thru all three types. Gnangarra 10:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• This is one of the issues that result from slight differences in the definitions of Australian places and how they are applied. Essentially, suburbs and localities are the same thing, the only real difference being "character". A suburb is defined as "a bounded area within the landscape that has an 'urban' character", while a locality is defined as "a bounded area within the landscape that has a 'rural' character". In many cases they are treated as the same thing, with some places that are clearly localities being treated as suburbs, even to the point of being included in the state's register as a suburb. A town is actually not directly related to either a locality or a suburb. It's separately defined as "a commercial nucleus offering a wide range of services and a large number of shops, often several of the same type". A town may occupy an entire suburb/locality or only a portion of the suburb/locality. I'm not directly aware of any towns that actually contain multiple, gazetted suburbs. My town of more than 12,000 people has several distinct areas that are referred to as suburbs but none are gazetted and this seems common for larger towns. I don't know enough about Toodyay to know whether it's a town in its own right or whether it's a town that is part of a larger suburb/locality, which is more often the case. If the latter, "suburb" is really still appropriate. There's a problem with adding extra complexity to the template to cater for every circumstance that arises. As Evad37 has pointed out, Using |city= instead of |through= displays the more general label "Location", and thight might be the simplest option here. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:26, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• Not sure what is going on here - numbers of outer metropolitan LGA's in most cases have their separate localities marked as such - the signs on the roads match the boundaries found on wa official and commercial mapping systems - talking about suburbs seems a wild goose chase. Localities is what the LGAs call them, and I fail to see why any concern about calling them anything else should be entertained. As for parts of Toodyay shire and component parts of Toodyay - the only part I would seriously consider is 'West Toodyay' which is up to 3 different things and needs an article to distinguish the three different meanings... I do not think that Toodyay has suburbs either. satusuro 12:39, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• What would you expect instead of "Suburb(s)" ?
  Normally I'd expect (in the ideal world) "town", because that's what it is, by any reasonable Australian definition.

According to Main Roads, there is a suburb of Toodyay with post code 6566
I suspect that site lists every town as a suburb, eg Eucla. Is there any town that it does not list as a suburb?

"Location" might be the simplest option, or we could follow Main Roads' example and use "suburb/locality", although that is harder to optionally pluralise ("subub(s)/localit???"). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• This has been hashed through so many times, I am disapointed that an editor who can remember all the old links - orderinchaos - hasnt re-emerged from his lengthy silences and have specifically finally adjudicated it at the relativelty inert Australian place project - re-inventing the wheel over this sort of stuff wastes vast space. Town and suburb are redundant in non urban areas, and really, location or locality is far more sensible. As for plurals, you sure you are on the right medication tonight? satusuro 13:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation style

Note: There is a proposal at WT:AURD#Move_articles_to_bracket_disambiguation to rename this article (and others) to conform to the WP:AURDNAME guideline – specifically, using brackets instead of a comma for disambiguation. - Evad37 [talk] 09:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)