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what else is called "skiffle"? can this article be at skiffle?
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Good point. I dropped the link... now what is a "Skiffle"?
After looking at the dictionary, I'm not sure anymore... it only lists Skiffle Music.
Main Entry: skif·fle Pronunciation: 'ski-f&l Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1926
-- "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's [sic] Flavour on the Bedpost Over Night?" is the sic for It's or for Flavour spelt the Brittish way? Ahem... that's the article I wrote. THe question was - does the word "skiffle" mean anything else? - jazz77
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Maybe a better question would be - does "skiffle" refer specifically to the parties themselves, or to the music played at the party? If it refers to the party itself, maybe the Skiffle article should redirect to rent party and "rent party" should mentione Skiffle Music. - jazz7
Over 3 years later skiffle remains a redirect, and I don't see why. Common usage is that the music genre is "skiffle". What the OED says doesn't really matter. Incoming links speak volumes, and they mostly point to skiffle. A move over a redirect is coming your way... :-) --kingboyk 23:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
In the days of my misspent Brit youth, we were far more into playing, singing & thumping the ol' tea chest about than the meaning of skiffle. But it appears that Paulo Renato Ferreira Pinto de Oliveira of Portugal may have nobbled exactly what skiffle was & how it came to be: “East-West, Perpetual Motion”: British-American Popular Music Exchange, Paulo Renato Ferreira Pinto de Oliveira, (Universidade de Aveiro, Portugal)
" . . . . When you cannot compete in the same area with the best, you have to invent something new, and that is what the British did in 1952 with the trad jazz revival and skiffle fads that took the nation’s youngsters over in a musicmaking frenzy only comparable with the punk explosion and its DIY ethic. According to Iain Chambers, “skiffle was the first popular attempt undertaken to appropriate parts of American popular music” (45). The inventive skiffle groups had to make do with what they had, for there was a shortage of quality instruments, which is why one of the key instruments was a simple washing board. . . . . "
While not exactly agreeing with the "punk explosion/frenzy" analogy, it came pretty close. :-)
And, sadly, I do not see "The Vipers" listed anywhere? Lonnie D. was good & great fun, but The Vipers were the first & the best IMHO. Mally 18:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
As usual punk gets given a far more important place than it warrants all because its always been the favoured musical movement of the middle class luvvies media class - punk was only ever a small minority pursuit with relatively few people into it - even at its high point years it was overshadowed in every way by other forms of popular music disco being just the most obvious - if there were really 50,000 skiffle groups in Britain in the 50s to even mention punk with probably a few hundred bands ever as something similar is ridiculous - the beat boom of the early/mid 60s was far nearerr in the number of groups formed there were thousands upon thousands = and its influence with mainstream youth.
I'm very disappointed to not find any reference to The Hoosier Hot Shots (a wiki ref) who were playing this sort of music in the 30's, and wound up making 21 Movies (many with Gene Autry) and being a strong influence for Spike Jones and his City Slickers. I am attempting a little Skiffle Rennaisance here in Colorado, and my principal Models are the HHS, the Kingston Trio, and Lonnie. To my way of thinking, the MUSIC is the thing. The fact that Lonnie started the "movement" --- if that's what it was -- in Britain is really just incidental. (Google Hoosier Hot Shots if you want more.) Senor Reek 17:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I was looking to put Category:The Quarrymen into a skiffle artists category but I couldn't find one. If you know of one, could you please do the honours? If there isn't, perhaps we should have a skiffle category with a skiffle artists subcategory? --kingboyk 23:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely Ridiculous! The same thing could be said about "The High Numbers" before they became The Who. The only difference would be, that if one were to write: "The High Numbers" were a well known Mod band from London" it, unlike The Quarrymen statement, would be true.
Only a very small amount of people in Liverpool had heard of them, they had no following {except at garden fetes) and released no records. Just because they developed into The Beatles, is no reason to elevate them in the pecking order above real skiffle stars like Chas McDevitt & Nancy Whiskey, or The Vipers, who released a string of hit records. I love The Beatles, but Please The Quarrymen were not one of the best known skiffle bands! Lion King 15:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot that they played at a few working mens clubs in Liverpool and at the Cavern Club once, where they went down like a Lead Balloon or should that be "Led" Balloon? :) Lion King 17:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
The Vipers were playing Skiffle long before these guys cashed in on it. The Vipers were the reason that they started putting Skiffle into thier set for the kids in the first place.
And yes, "Rock Island Line" was a runaway success but they had picked it up from The Vipers- they didn't know any Leadbelly or Woody Guthrie songs. Donegan left to cash in, as he'd only received a session fee for "Rock Island Line", and began covering every Vipers release, wearing a dinner jacket and backed by a huge record company, even claiming to have co-written Leadbelly and Guthrie songs.Lion King 09:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
There you go I was right, another fight - no thanks. Lion King 21:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed the large collection of external links for individual bands per WP:NOT and WP:EL. shotwell 00:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[Lonnie Donegan] "Having been paid just a £50 session fee for the song" etc - £50 in 1956 was an incredible amount of money - no one would have recieved that amount of money as a session fee. I would suggest that it be replaced by: "Just a session fee." Best, 650 Norton (1951) (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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Could someone put Skiffle in the Jazz template and put the Jazz template on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C7:C201:C640:E94D:4B73:B1C5:9911 (talk) 00:34, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
This article does a great job tracing the history of Skiffle. But it does not really describe the style of skiffle music. Beats, melodies, playing styles, singing styles. A brief discussion of Skiffle so that I could recognize it's style or influence when I hear a song. Robert.Harker (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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