Talk:List of most-subscribed YouTube channels/Archive 4

This is an archive of past discussions about List of most-subscribed YouTube channels. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Archive 4

Archive 5

Regarding the sub count

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Hello. T-Series very recently hit 92 million subscribers, while PewDiePie is only on 91. Please could you update the top 50 most subscribed channel table to reflect this please?

Glowing regards,

welcome to the fam (talk) 08:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

 Already done -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions • Email}) 18:42, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

PewDiePies subscriber count

PewDiePie is now at 92 million subscribers and t series subscriber count is balance and PewDiePie is now going up Ax man98075 (talk) 22:10, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

New note for Badabun

Badabun ceased making its subscriber count publicly visible earlier this month, and the total on Social Blade has remained static at 37,292,948 ever since. I have added a note to the Badabun cell explaining this situation. Unless the channel reverses its decision, we will have no choice but to use the 37.2 million figure for Badabun in all future revisions of the list. LifeofTau 03:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Live sub counts

As this is relevant now, more than ever, it should be noted that the sub counts (and the 1st vs 2nd positions) are fluctuating wildly, far more rapidly than the static list that is currently used as a source is being updated. At this point, it seems necessary to factor in live sub counts, which are being streamed by Social Blade in an official capacity here. ~Swarm~ {talk} 07:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• I have added the live sub count as an additional source. ~Swarm~ {talk} 07:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

PewDiePie and T-Series as "co-most subscribed YouTube channels" — further discussion

I'm proposing the discussion that instead making both "PewDiePie" and "T-Series" as the "co-Most Subscribed YouTube Channel" so that I'm gonna end about the current further discussion that is currently tackled on. I'm just making my proposal so that we're gonna end this debate/fight. Whether you support my proposal or not, it's up to you to decide.

On "Most-subscribed channels" link, I'm proposing this sample table for both PewDiePie and T-Series only:

Rank	Channel
1.	T-Series
	PewDiePie

On "Historical progression of most-subscribed channels" link, just remained the name "PewDiePie" because it's not included in my proposal and don't mind about the streak. But it up to you.

If you have any suggestions, you may leave it here; but as I always said, it's up to all for you. I hope you support it or not.

P.S. This is a temporary... Movies Time (talk) 11:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your proposal, but I am afraid I must oppose this. I made the image and caption suggestion several days ago because large, prominent features at the top of an article should not be changed on a regular basis. In contrast, the main list can be expected to undergo relatively frequent updates in order to reflect real-world changes in rank and subscriber count. The fact that this can be done relatively quickly and that even small differences can be taken into account is, in my view, one of the list's greatest strengths. Stating that PewDiePie and T-Series are the two most-subscribed channels is very different from stating that they are both the most-subscribed channel. Bestowing the number one ranking to both channels falsely implies that they are "tied" in subscriber count. I trust that we as editors will be able to update the table as necessary whenever these two channels surpass each other in the future. LifeofTau 15:40, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 April 2019

This section contains material that is kept because it is considered humorous. Such material is not meant to be taken seriously.

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

change #1 subscriber to hacksmith, as he gained 96 million subscribers last night. Source: https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/mstrjames 194.239.215.58 (talk) 11:07, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

It must be an April Fools joke. --46.39.248.31 (talk) 12:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Actually yes, it is. --46.39.248.31 (talk) 12:02, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not possible: While the Hacksmith's subscriber count of two billion is undeniable, the last thing we would want to do is offend the sensibilities of PewDiePie or T-Series by reporting the truth of the matter. We have no choice but to keep news of the actual reigning YouTube champion under wraps, lest we be beset by hordes of nine-year-olds and Bollywood fans. LifeofTau 03:07, 2 April 2019 (UTC)^{[April Fools!]}

How to even understand PewDiePie's unbreakable streak?

I thing i'll start making the point of battle about PewDiePie versus T-Series there.

History

It is all started of Late-2018, and T-Series did a first try in the #1 on February 2019. T-Series was a leader for 11 hours in 21 March. For some reason we did only changed in leaderboard. Once in 25 March T-Series helded it's leadership in more than 12 hours, we ignored this fact and prefered PewDiePie's streak unbreaked, despite sever people awaiting it. What even livestreams didn't think PewDiePie have enough leadership to be there for 12+ hours per day. That did happend also in March 26, and obviously March 27.

List of 12+ hours leadership to T-Series

As Wikipedia itself noted, that is 25 March and 26 March, 2019. Is that ok to the fact Pewds had only 9 hours to take a lead, and T-Series had 14-15 hours for it?

This is happend:

Probably we're should to get further into this fact, why we're still allowing the 24-hours rule, and not constanting the fact the one channel taking a leadership in 12 hours and more, rather a second channel. I mean PewDiePie have only did a 6 hours of leadership in night to March 27. There was more discussion about it, and the PewDiePie vs T-Series topic before me, so i did only just a overail analysis of T-Series being #1 for 12+ hours. So, what's the point of making PewDiePie to be an unbreakable in a subscriber war, rather of making the modern rule of leader streaking? Are we waiting for someone get a 100 million subscribers, or we finally can edit a history, adding a current event?

Result

This is very dissapointing to watch PewDiePie currently leading in a history, just like there is nobody a competitor of PewDiePie, and he is a "eternal" leader, but maybe there is something that i, and probably everyone else, don't understand. I don't see a "24-hours criteria" making any sense right now. It is losing since 25 March. Any ideas how to make a history of leadership some sense?

Discuss below this text. Awaiting - 46.39.248.31 (talk) 10:24, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion about this topic

Agreed. In fact now is the best time for the editors to take a firm decision, as Pewdiepie has lead for the lesser part of the day for 3 consecutive days.Freak5 5 (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Second this. We are probably going to be omitting a lot of days if we were to wait for T-Series to have a 24 hour streak. If the channel cannot be considered #1 for these three consecutive days even after being in the lead for 15 hours each day, neither can PewDiePie. It is simply not a streak. Also, T-Series' growth generally dips after IST 12, but this is because the Indian subcontinent is sleeping at the time. 2.51.19.121 (talk) 17:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Unless T-Series leads for a full 24 hours, it should not replace the current leader. --Haljackey (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Can the editors confirm this? Also I hope the rules will not suddenly change for Pewdiepie after T-series gets 24 hours, as we have a precedent of T-series where short overtakes were not listed to historic progression, and I expect the same to follow for Pewdiepie.Freak5 5 (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

T-Series has been ahead for 25 hours now. The streak has ended by all accounts. 2001:1C05:1800:7300:1842:EA89:7583:B4B7 (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad to see many people agrees that PewDiePie's streak is ended like since 4 hours of 27 March. We had a nice day in a plan of discussion. We need more research and times to see the aftermath of current situation of the subscriber "war". --46.39.248.31 (talk) 08:30, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

what about: pewdiepie streak is broken but T series can't be named the most subscribed channel yet...? It's not like we can't let be three days with no youtuber being #1. Eligio Budde (talk) 02:43, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Its Over

In about a 1-2 hours T-Series will have been the #1 channel for 24 hours. Its 12k subs ahead and its midnight in US. The discussion about this can now end. Daiyusha (talk) 03:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedians finally confirm only today. But still i hope they create a rule for it. --46.39.248.31 (talk) 05:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Aaaand... it takes back to the older version. See? Allright, it is seems like this is not over yet. --46.39.248.31 (talk) 06:01, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Add Mythical Entertainment As The Network For Smosh edit request on March 30th 2019

Mythical Entertainment has acquired Smosh.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonsands/2019/02/23/a-new-hope-mythicals-acquisition-of-smosh-as-a-model-for-creators-on-youtube/#6aa839f462f2

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/smosh-acquired-rhett-link-mythical-entertainment-1203146114/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.173.19 (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

A YouTube channel's parent or production company is not necessarily its network. Mythical Entertainment appears to serve an example of the former, but not the latter. Smosh most likely either remains unaffiliated or has joined Rhett & Link's network Studio71 as part of the acquisition. I have yet to see any indication that Mythical Entertainment also operates as a multi-channel network. LifeofTau 05:14, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Switch PewDiePie and T-Series. PewDiePie won again. TypicallyTrue (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 12:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

1 April 2019 events thread

Might as well start a thread because people are going to come with the news that pewdiepie passed again. So this will be the thread. I recommend all discussion on the topic happen here. BMO4744 (talk) 12:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Nope, thanks. --46.39.248.31 (talk) 12:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

God this is actually annoying. Is this going to happen every time? It's been months now, can we put this to rest Rmehtany (talk) 13:34, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, we have to deal with this shit for 2 more months.BMO4744 (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion for potential change to image and caption

It appears that PewDiePie and T-Series will likely continue to surpass each other in subscriber count for hours at a time over the next several days. In light of this, I am considering whether to replace the single image for the most-subscribed channel with an image for each channel, positioned side-by-side and accompanied by a single caption. It would appear as follows:

Swedish Let's Player and vlogger PewDiePie (left) and Indian record label T-Series (right) operate the two most-subscribed channels on YouTube. Each has accumulated 90 million subscribers as of March 2019.^[1]

The reason I am considering this is because switching between different images at the top of an article is, in my view, a relatively major change that not should be performed on a regular basis. If adopted, the above setup could remain without needing to be altered after every significant overtake. I invite users to reply with their thoughts below. I am also open to suggestions to modify the images and caption in terms of formatting, placement, order, or phrasing. LifeofTau 20:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

This is a lot better than flipping the whole table. I agree with this approach.BMO4744 (talk) 02:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Isn't the T-Series logo copyrighted? Using it in their wiki page is fair use but is it legal to use it here? Hermit Curator 07:42, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

The T-Series logo itself is considered by Commons to be in the public domain, for "threshold of originality" reasons. ~Swarm~ {talk} 11:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Support. The two channels are flipping on a daily basis, and its silly to keep changing the top image every time one passes over the other. I'd reccomend noting the competition within the text description of the two images. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

100% support this, channels will continue to flip for a least another few weeks. The less often we have to update major sections during this the better --Rcmaehl (talk) 20:11, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this, but why hasn't it been done yet, I cannot see the changes, please do it, whoever is allowed to Stud2608 (talk) 20:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. After receiving unanimous support, I have implemented the proposed change. LifeofTau 01:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I think that it would be unfair for Pewdiepie to have his 1420 day streak broken by like 2 days so we should just leave it be unless it’s over a week Tstrasavich (talk) 20:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

99.228.153.99 (talk) 20:28, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

sub to Pewdiepie he is the best

 Not done: You have not requested a change to the article. LifeofTau 03:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

PewDiePie was most subscribed for 1919 days, then T-Series overtook him on March 26 which lasted until March 31, giving T-Series a lead for 5 days. This should be reflected in the page because since there were takeovers lasting over a day for each, they shouldn't be "TBD" anymore. Jacobmask2015 (talk) 00:52, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Have you noticed the number of discussions over how to count the days of leadership? There's still a lot to work out, so I don't think you should expect any changes for some time. Rmehtany (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Edit requests should only be made for non-controversial changes; this issue is contentious and consensus regarding the delineation of streaks is pending. No decision will be made solely as the result of an edit request. LifeofTau 03:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the Streak

It is very clear that T-Series completed 24 hours as no.1 for the first time on 28th May (though they surpassed on 27th May). Reference: Social Blade Sub-Gap graph on YouTube.

PewDiePie regained his crown back and successfully retained it for 1 day as of April 2.

I request the mods to edit the info based this information. Hermit Curator 03:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: See the discussion above, namely Talk:List of most-subscribed YouTube channels#Assigning days and delineating streaks. This edit is controversial as no consensus has been reached on that discussion. --KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions • Email}) 05:54, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

PewDiePie has achieved all four major options for streak delineation. As such, a row should be added on the streak table for him even if the length of the streak itself is still contested. Hi529 (talk) 15:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done for now: The most restrictive of the options being considered (C and D) require a channel to hold the position of most-subscribed for the entirety of a calendar date in order to claim that date. Social Blade's hourly statistics verify that T-Series' subscriber count continued to exceed that of PewDiePie for the first eight hours of April 1 (UTC). April 2, the current date in UTC, will end in six hours. At that point, assuming that Kjellberg continues to retain the position for the entirety of that time, PewDiePie's latest streak will be added to the table and timeline. LifeofTau 18:57, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done: PewDiePie was the most-subscribed channel for the entirety of April 2, 2019 (UTC). LifeofTau 01:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

It should be made known that after some consideration, I have shifted my position on this issue, and I would not have initially declined the request if I could alter my past actions. Put simply, the circumstances surrounding this latest overtake are entirely different (in that it was not preceded by many shorter incidences lasting less than 24 hours) that those of the one being discussed in the RfC. It should have therefore been treated in the same way as all of the other streaks prior to 2019, which are assumed to also be singular events, were: the date the streak began is the date on which the overtake occurred. I had said as much in my discussion comments, where I noted how the T-Series event was distinguished from the ones that had come before. I regret applying the same approach taken for that overtake to this one without first considering the reason why that approach was being taken. LifeofTau 01:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Specific end to PewDiePie's streak

I don't understand: Why is there no specific date for when T-Series broke PewDiePie's 1920 days streak? I heard there is a discussion if the time T-Series passed PewDiePie for 12 hours count, and I don't see how is that discussion valid. The 24 hours rule fits way more than the 12 hours one. It's not like in the Historical Progression section there is someone who was number 1 for 7 days and a half. It's always full days, which means it's always full 24 hours.

I also heard that there's no real proof to when T-Series passed. How? Many people who followed the sub-count can testify that T-Series passed on 27 March 2019, and PewDiePie took back the lead on 1 April 2019. There are also videos showing the sub count during that time, and you can even see it on Social Blade. איתמראלון (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see the discussion above, namely Talk:List of most-subscribed YouTube channels#Assigning days and delineating streaks. It is still under further discussion. Movies Time (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

The social Blade live count on YouTube has subgap graph. The gap passes zero on 27 March and stays below for 24 hours fully for the first time on 28 March. The streak ends on April 1. PewDiePie's streak begins on April 2. Hermit Curator 02:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Add a link to Pewdiepies Wikipedia page in the top section where it names all the channels that have been number one. Erlendtl (talk) 19:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: It is already linked the paragraph before. MrClog (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

You really need to edit the TBD on the streak... T-Gay only held the streak for 4 days.... Do your job Vampi23456789 (talk) 22:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Edit requests should only be made for non-controversial changes; this issue is contentious and consensus regarding how to delineate the streak is pending. No decision will be made solely as the result of an edit request. LifeofTau 00:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Pewdiepie

Switch his green TBD to 1934 days because that’s how long he held it for I believe Aidanfanshaw (talk) 18:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Milestones

Since my edit was removed: should we add the milestones back in? Thanks. rayukk | talk 19:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes/Support; one of the first ideas I wanted to be included when I first created the page. I believe 100K, 1 million, 10 million, and eventually 100 million are important to note. Fred being the first to 1 million was an important thing to the YouTube community back in '09 and I also believe every 10 million milestone between 10 and 100 is okay to include as well. Perhaps also mention how PewDiePie was the first channel to reach every million subscriber milestone from 12–15 million, and 19–91 million. (Smosh reached 11 million first; YouTube Spotlight reached 16–18 million first; T-Series reached 92 million first). I think in terms of sourcing, let's pair credible 3rd-party sources here, along with the Social Blade sub counter reference. Soulbust (talk) 23:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes/Support: [Original edit for reference] I saw the original post and I do support adding the chart. After all, the heading is "Milestones and reactions", not just "Reactions". AppMaster1000 (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

In my view, major subscriber milestones are not inappropriate to include, but a table is a poor format to present them in. The table dedicated to them in the first years of the article struck me as listcruft. I envision the milestones and reactions section being expanded to become a chronology of the different channels to hold the most-subscribed position, with short descriptions of each user and their content. If the approximate number of subscribers each channel had upon becoming the most-subscribed is also included, readers will be able to determine which channel was the first to reach any given milestone. For example, if it is noted that Ray William Johnson had 3.8 million subscribers when he surpassed nigahiga and Smosh had 6.7 million when they surpassed Johnson, a reader can infer that he was the first user to achieve the milestones of four, five, and six million subscribers. Subscriber milestones that are powers of ten are significant enough to be noted on their own in the same way that Fred being the first to one million is already described in the section. 50 million may be also be worthy of mention given that YouTube sends a custom award to users who attain that amount. LifeofTau 02:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

I think that the sentence in the first paragraph, "The most-subscribed channel as of April 2019 is PewDiePie, which has accumulated more than 93 million subscribers since 2010." should have use the word "who" instead of "which" since PewDiePie is an individual. However, I'm not sure if I'm right about this since the "which" could be referring to the fact that the channel is named "PewDiePie." JustinIsAwesome77 (talk) 23:50, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

• Please see this heading for discussion regarding this topic. AppMaster1000 (talk) 01:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

• That discussion is not relevant to this request. The user has merely suggested that a pronoun be changed. LifeofTau 03:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The sentence in question refers to the YouTube channel, not the person who runs it. LifeofTau 03:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2019

This edit request to List of most-subscribed YouTube channels has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Please change the "TBD" to "1917" for Pewdiepie and change "TBD" to "4" for Tseries 2A01:E35:8BE2:65E0:3C5B:9F43:CDB:A681 (talk) 21:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 21:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Add note about current uncertainties regarding the frequent surpasings

Currently the history table shows the previous holdings of Pewds and T as "TBD" due to the uncertainty regarding the partial days. I propose adding a note to the table to tell people who don't look at the Talk page (most people, I assume) why it's so hard to count/determine days until a definite method is decided upon. AppMaster1000 (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes/Support: I think this is a really good idea because it could prevent users from making all of these edit requests to add the streaks back. JustinIsAwesome77 (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)