Talk:John Batman

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Wow! I never knew there was a real Batman! :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, you beat me to writting that. User:Jayteecork —Preceding undated comment added 16:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC).

I wonder how they pronounced his name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.139.52 (talk) 03:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

What a guy! Makes me wish I was Australian, so I could be proud of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.168.103 (talk) 13:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Syphilis

I've just read that he was "ravaged by syphilis". Is this the illness we refer to? -- JackofOz (talk) 12:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Batman

It seems unikely that Daniel Batman is descended from him if he had no surviving male descendents.--Grahame (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Comic book character

a comic book character was invented to keep the Batman name living in perpetuity

Please tell me it's not the one I am thinking of...Noleti (talk) 09:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC) ok, I reverted after seeing that it was the last edit...Noleti (talk) 09:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Meme

Both John and Daniel were mentioned in a high profile blog by Ryan North when this entry from the popular Dinosaur Comics was posted. chantessy 16:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Needs reviewing

Wow, this article hasn't changed greatly in size since I last looked at it (2004), but the tone has changed somewhat. There has been a long history of lauding either Batman or Fawkner as the 'real' founder of Melbourne and I think this article is now tending towards giving an umblemished view of Batman, e.g. it has been suggested he died of syphilis (we don't know if that's true) but mention of it has been removed, the article now simply says he negociated a treaty whereas the validity/authenticity of the treaty has been questioned by many authors. We should be giving both sides of these controversies, not a hagiography.

I'm also a little concerned that some of these changes were made by User:Prester John, previously warned for edit-warring and currently blocked indefinitely for being a sockpuppet.

Disentangling all this would be a bit of work, which I don't think I can do right now, so I'm just bringing it up here in case someone wants to take it on.

☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 07:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Ganges

The Ganges ship is mentioned in this source. I initially thought it was HMS, but after discussing it at User_talk:Acad_Ronin#Transport_Board it appears likely that it is the convict ship now mentioned at Ganges (disambiguation)#Other_ships. --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 23:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

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Renaming of the electoral division of Batman to Cooper

I'm new to wikipedia editing, so don't want to make the edit myself I know there's a strict protocol for this that I'll surely mess up.

Just here to say this page should be updated.

The AEC (Australian Electoral Commission) has decided after extensive community feedback to rename the electoral division of Batman after an Aboriginal Activist called William Cooper.

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DeadUnit (talk) 16:06, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.darebin.vic.gov.au/Your-Council/Talk-to-us/Media-Centre#Federal-Electoral-Division-of-Batman-Renamed

@DeadUnit: Thanks for bringing it up here; however, the renaming hasn't taken place yet, as the relevant article says. Graham87 03:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of Category:Criminals from New South Wales

@Graham87 after considering your reason for reverting my addition of this category I have not found any definition that excludes John Batman. Conviction of criminals is generally a sound measure of guilt but the lack of which by no means negates such a fact, please review the Criminal entry as I may have missed it.

John Batmans crimes are clear (as you have already noted), and documented herein.

Also, on picking out 2 preexisting members of that catgegory, I found that only 1 had been convicted, the other Robert Trimbole was not. James Bateaux (talk) 04:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@James Bateaux: Pings don't work retroactively so I didn't get this notification until now, but this page is on my watchlist so I found it that way. Well a major difference between Batman and [[Robert Trimbole is that Trimbole is well-known for his activities in what was universally considered crime at the time (and he just happened to escape the country to avoid conviction), whereas the circumstances of what Batman did are ... more than a little different (at the time (the colonial government would have considered that the end justifies the means). A criminals category is not defining in Wikipedia terms for Batman because he's absolutely most well-known,rightly or wrongly, as an explorer and using today's morals to call him a criminal with no footnotes (as categories can't contain any) is rather anachronistic. Also compare the note at Category:Australian criminals and the mention of criminal categories in the categorisation guideline. Graham87 (talk) 14:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Plus, Trimbole was charged with a crime. Graham87 (talk) 06:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

You have many good points, and with a bit more distance from the matter, I can see this is not the platform to change Australia's relationship to the subject. I also feel the need for caution on what POV this page espouses as we do not want Wikipedia to perpetuate that which would cause harm to and or exclude the voice of the minority. As you rightly point out a hollow classification without substance isn't the right change to make right now. Also, I realised the crime I had in mind, murder of a prisioner (just as illegal then as it is now) is, in context, a war crime. Plus Trimbole was charged :) Thanks James Bateaux (talk) 00:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)