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Vanity?

: I suspect this is vanity, but I know nothing about the topic. - Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Notable Jadoons

Iqbal Khan Jadoon. (13th Chief Minister of NWFP) Amanullah Khan Jadoon. (Minister of Petroleum and Gas) Colonel Ghulam Mustafa Khan Jadoon,Ex District Nazim of Abbottabad Khan Gohar Rehman Khan Jadoon, Father of Iqbal Khan and Amanullah Khan Jadoon. Fareed Mohammed Khan Jadoon, Ex MNA from Abbottabad Khan Sahib Mohammed Akram Khan Jadoon,Nawnashehr, First Deputy Commisioner from Hazara before 1947 Dr Azhar Khan Jadoon ( Founder of Hira Hospital, Women medical college Nawansher, Women Institute of Technology, A political personality) Shamroz Khan Jadoon. Former minister of NWFP Ali Afzal Khan Former MPA Dr Shahnawaz Khan Jadoon Dr. Akif Zeb Khan Jadoon Shohali(PhD Chemistry Germany) Zaffar Iqbal Khan Jadoon industrialist businessman,Canada Inayatullah Khan Jadoon,son of Iqbal Khan, Businessman & Politician Mohammed Ali Khan Jadoon, IG Police,Retired 1976, Nawanshehr,Abbottabad. Mohammed Kamal Khan Jadoon,Advocate ,Nawanshehr,Abbottabad. Wing Commander Aslam Khan Jadoon of Bagra,Havellian. Mohammed Yaqub Khan Jadoon,Ex-MNA from Gandaff. Ajoon Khan Jadoon,Ex-MPA from Gandaf Ghafoor Khan Jadoon,Ex-MPA from Gandaf Dr.Wamiq Jadoon, Paediatrician,USA. Dr.Changez Jadoon,interventional Radiologist,UK Dr.Asad Jadoon,Cardiologist, USA Dr.Naila Jadoon,Gynecologist,UK Dr.Suraiya Yasmeen,Gynecologist,Abbottabad Dr.Saleem Jadoon, Anaesthetist,Abbottabad Dr.Colonel Farooq Khan, Opthalmologist,Abbottabad. Dr. Irum Jadoon,Medical Specialist,USA Dr.Taimur Jadoon,Gynecologist,UK. Bigadier Gul Khan Jadoon,Abbottabad Brigadier Afsar Khan,Abbottabad Major General Masood Khan, Abbottabad Dr. Ehsan Jadoon,Psychiatrist,Australia Air Commodore Afsar Khan Jadoon,Abbottabad Engineer Farooq Khan of Nawanshehr,Director General Qadeer Khan Research laboratories, Dr. Habib Jadoon,Medical Physician ,pakistan. Brigadier Benaras Khan Of Sheikhul Bandi, Abbottabad Taimoor Khan Jadoon, Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator, Pakistan Aasif Khan Jadoon, OCP Certified Database Administrator, Trainer at FaujiFoundation Pakistan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.154.26 (talk) 07:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Reply

I think you must be Sughra Ahmad Mughal - since you mention that you have put up a website and refer to it.

I can give you the references that you need regarding the various Jadoon conquests but there are some things that you must understand.

Bravery or the lack of it is an heterogeneous attribute in every society, race and creed. Wikipedia is NOT an internet newsgroup or chat room - Avoid making derogatory comments about a tribe or group of people for publication on this respected online encyclopedia. It only emphasizes your own ignorance.

An educated, professional person can always express themselves in a way that does not denigrate another.

You will find when you read further below, that "Hamsaya" is a totally incorrect description of the Jadoons, ADDED by Olaf Caroe. The original documents (see below) don't use this term at all.

You also have blown out of proportion the Pathan/Pukhtoon nomenclature issue. To an Afridi, Jadoon, Wazir, Yousafzai, etc. when they speak in Pukhto, they always say Pukhtoon or Pashtoon - but in Urdu/Hindko/English - it's the habit to say "Pathan" - that is how it is at the "ground level" - understood by the ordinary folk. No big issue for the Pathans - only a big thing for the non-Pathans. Even the term "Afghani" nowadays means, Uzbek, Tajik, Turkomen, Hazara etc i.e. inhabitants of Afghanistan.

The two books you quoted have mistakes: James Spain's book has numerous mistakes on the other Pathan tribes as well (such as on the Mohmands for instance) - but that is expected - he is not an Anthropologist. If you really want to write about Pathans use references from established Anthropologists like Prof. Akbar S. Ahmed. Olaf Caroe's book also has mistakes - like the one regarding the Jadoons not helping Abbott, when in fact it was 200 Peshawaries (mentioned in his personal diaries held at the British India Office Library in London) - also if you look on his map of Pathan tribe locations, he includes the Mishwanis - who actually acknowledge they are non-Pathans - in fact the Mishwanis of Hazara say they are Syeds - and in Afghanistan, they are recognized as "Arabs". Another is his conclusions that the Jadoon's were Hamsayas - if you look at the original papers that mention these (SEE BELOW) NO WHERE is this mentioned. It is a TOTALLY INCORRECT ASSUMPTION made by Olaf Caroe.

Here are references to the Jadoon's character, and the fact they conquered those parts of Hazara where they now reside as opposed to "passive migration" (written by non-Jadoons):

Reference: Notes on Afghanistan and part of Baluchistan: geographical, ethnographical, and historical. Extracted from the writings of Afghán and Tajzík historians, geographers, and genealogists; the histories of the Ghúris, the Turk sovereigns of the Dilhí Kingdom, the mughal sovereigns of the house of Tímúr, and other Muhammadan chronicles; and from personal observations.

By Major H.G.Raverty , Bombay Native Infantry (retired). Published London, 1880.

Author of a "Grammer" and "Dictionary" of the Pus'hto or Afghan Language; "The Gulshan I-Roh, or Selections, Prose, and Poetical, in the Afghan Language;" "The Poetry of the Afghans, from the Sixteenth Century to the Nineteenth Century;" "The Fables of Aesop Al-Hakim in the Afghan Language;" "Translation of the Tabakát-i-Násirí, from the Persian of Minhá-i-Saráj;" "The Pus'hto Manual," etc etc.

"The descent of the Jzadún Afghans, called Gadúns by the tribes about Peshawar, who change the original letter "Jz" into "g", is well known to those acquainted with the genealogy of the Pus'htánah or Afghán nation. "They are descended from Jzadún, son of Parnaey , and brother of Kakar, the two latter being sons of Dánaey, son of Ghurghusht, son of Kais-i-'Abd-ur-Rashíd, entitled "the Patan." As has already been stated (at page 9) the descendants of Parnaey who were very numerous, are said to have been ousted from their lands in Sánga'h Mandáhí, in Síwístan, became dispersed, and moved northwards at a comparatively early date. It is also clear that they became greatly scattered, and that but few continued to dwell in their early seats, a vast number having migrated into India, where many are still to be found, in the southern part of the peninsula. But we need not go quite so far south to find a number of them. Besides the Jzadún Parnís on the west bank of the Indus, there are no less than six or seven thousand Parní families at this present time still located in what we call the "Hazárah District," peopling some eighteen or twenty villages. Their chief town was Najíb-ullah Garh, but great changes have taken place in these parts, now included in the Hazárah District, since the annexation of the Panj-áb, in 1849. The Safi Afghans are descended from another of Parnaey's sons, who bore the former name, and Sáfaey was therefore a brother of the progenitors of the Jzadúns.

"The Jzadúns appear to have been located near the southern slopes of the Spín Ghar range, west of Irí-ab, about the time the Khas'hís, (MY NOTE: these give rise to Khas'hís Khel or Khakhay Khel as it is written in some accounts because the Pakhto "Kheen" is the Pashto "Sheen" and is the clan from which the Yusafzai descend from), having been obliged to vacate their old seats through the hostility of the Ghwarís, (MY NOTE: written in other accounts as Ghwariah Khel, and is the clan from which the Khalils, Mohmands, Daudzais and Chamkannis descend from. Both Khas'hís and Ghwarís were brothers), moved northwards towards Kábul; and, while the Khas'hís were dwelling within the limits of the Kábul province, on the northern side of the range of Spín Ghar, the Muhammadzís joined the Yúsufzí and Mandar tribes of that sept, and together with the Jzadúns continued with them as an associated and allied tribe during their subsequent vicissitudes.

"When these tribes made a distribution of the conquered territories after the defeat of the Dilazaks near Katlang (see page 224), and they had been driven out of the Sama'h, as will be presently mentioned, the Jzadúns took the lands in the eastern part of the Sama'h, near the Abáe-Sín, and there they still dwell. During the course of some four centuries, since the period in question, considerable changes have taken place in these parts, but not so many as might have been expected with reference to the Afghan tribes of this locality, but the Jzadúns have, since that period, pushed across the Abáe-Sín, and hold lands on the east, in Kohistán of Dharam-taur, and are said to number near upon ten thousand families. They will be subsequently referred to in the account of that district or territory

"The Jzadúns are divided into three sub-tribes, which again contain minor sections which need not be enumerated here."

(MY NOTE:The name "Parnaey" is also written in some accounts as "Panris" or "Pannis").

Here is another reference from: The People of India: A series of photographic illustrations of the Races and Tribes of Hindustan. Edited by J.Forbes and Sir John William Kaye, vol. 5, London, Indian Museum 1872.

"The Jadoons are not British subjects, though they inhabit a portion of the district called Hazara. They inhabit a portion of the frontier below, that is south of the Hussanzye tribe, lying on the right bank of the Indus, and opposite to the British town of Torbeyla. Westward their territory extends till it meets the higher ranges of the Hindoo Koosh. The Mahabun mountain, with its dense forest, lies within their boundary, and the whole tract is wild and rugged in an almost inconceivable degree. Though the Jadoons accompanied the Yoosufzyes when they descended from Kabool in the fifteenth century, and conquered and occupied the valley of Peshawaur, they claim to have an independent origin, and are separate from the Yoosufzyes. The Jadoons have spread into the neighbouring district of Hazara, and now form one of the strongest tribes of that province, occupying the central portion; their villages lying from 1,500 to 6,000 feet above the plains of the Indus. The Jadoons are a fair complexioned tribe, many of them having brown hair and beards, and ruddy colour, with grey or hazel eyes, and they are, for the most part, fair, with strong, athletic forms, extremely active, and capable of enduring great exertion and fatigue."

Another reference from:

Notes on the Eusofzye tribes of Afghanistan By The Late Capt. Edward Connolly (published after his death in the First Afghan War, in the Asiatic Journal and Monthly Register for the British and Foreign India, China, and Australasia. Vol.XXXV-New Series, May-August, 1841.):

"The Judoons are related to the Kaukar Affghan tribe (i.e. come from Parni, brother of Kakar - MY NOTE) and migrated to these parts, perhaps two or three centuries ago (time of writing: approx. 1838) and are divided into two great branches, Salar and Munsoor of whom the first are settled to the east of Punjtar, and the rest in Drumtour. The Salars are said to have 64 villages, and to muster 6000 matchlocks; their government is a democracy, more rigid than that even of the Euosafzyes. I was nearly causing a quarrel at Grenduf, their chief town, by inadvertently asking who was their head Mullick. We were much struck by the appearance of wealth and comfort in their villages, which are large and populous and the Hindoos seemed to be more numerous and thriving amongst them, than in any other part of the country we visited."

....and another reference: Hillary Rose in "A glossary of the tribes and castes of the north west frontier provinces and the protected territories of the north west frontier provinces, Vol. II (A to K)published 1919, Lawrence Rd, Delhi, writes:

"The Jaduns occupy all of the southeastern portion of the territory between the Peshawar and Hazara borders, and southern slopes of Mahaban, having taken their present lands in the eastern Sama after the Jaduns and various Kashi chiefs of the Afghans had defeated the Dilazaks, and when Jahangir finally crushed the Dilazaks, they spread up the Dor valley as high as Abbottabad. Early in the 18th Century, on the expulsion of the Karlugh Turks by Saiyed Jalal Baba they appropriated the country about Dhamtaur; and about hundred years later they took the Bagra tract from the remaining few Dilazaks who held it, while shortly before the Sikhs took the country their Hassanzai clan deprived the Karral of a portion of the Nilan valley".

I could go on giving you references all night, but I think my point has been made.

So again if you look at the literature it's OLAF CAROE who calls them Hamsayas - the original documents mentioning them don't SPECIFICALLY call them Hamsayas - but ALLIES. Big difference!

In fact, by going to Hazara, which is largely a non-Pakhto speaking area, the Jadoons further preserved their "Pashto pronounced" name. The first letter of "Jadoon" is spelt with a unique Pashto letter which is like the arabic "rey" but has a dot above and a dot below. In Southern (Qandahar/Helmand) Pashto this letter is pronounced as "J" and in Northern (Kabul/Peshawar) Pakhto it is pronounced as "G". Hence "Jadoon" in Pashto and "Gadoon" in Pakhto. This further supports the account that Jadoons migrated from southern Afghanistan. Write "Jadoon" with this unique Pashto letter in the beginning instead of "Jeem" or "Gaaf" and show it to any Pashtoon from Qandahar and he will pronounce it as "Jadoon"!

No Jadoon calls himself Gadoon.

Let me give you another analogy: Consider the "Bangash Pakhtoon Clan." When you write "Bangash" you use the unique Pakhto "Kheen" which in Pashto is pronounced "Sheen" (It's like the Arabic "seen" but has a dot above and below). So if I speak Pakhto I will say "Bangakh" and if I tell an Englishmen that my Pakhtoon Clan is "Bangakh" he will always call me "Bangakh" because he does not know Pashto and so is unaware of the word changes in the language.

I hope this information helps.

Adil Khan Jadoon 74.104.102.216 23:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Adil Khan Jadoon!

Judged on the first couple of paragraphs that I have read in your REPLY, I came to the conclusion that it is not my worthwhile to go through the rest of your pages which I believe bear no credibility. Some of the reasons apply;

1) Repudiating the praise worthy research work of an exemplary historians like Olaf Caroe and a great living anthropologist like Dr. hab is a clear evidence of ‘YOU’ being misled by the rigidity of the primitive and antique un-enlightened minds.2) You have no idea of the criterion of the word “nationality”. Factually almost 45% of Afghan population is Pakhtuns in Afghanistan. Segmenting the entire population of a Sovereign State into groups and labeling only the minorities as ‘Afghan’ leaves no doubt about your poor knowledge, mind set and low literacy level which is so incompatible to the present modern world. 3) If you do not have the guts to take the critique then do not be open to discussion. All enlightened and educated know very well how and where to express their views.

On the above grounds it leaves no room for the enlightened to carry on any further discussion especially with you. I only respect people of knowledge, who are rational, enlightened and exhibit the protocol of communication. Unfortunately you have proven your ignorance repeatedly and beyond doubt and therefore you deserve no credibility from now on. 74.104.102.216 23:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sughra Ahmad Mughal/74.104.102.216

The saying, “Some minds are like concrete, all mixed up and permanently set!” holds true for your way of thinking, as does the Pashto proverb, "Putting books on a donkey doesn't make it intelligent."

You asked for references and I gave them to you. If you don’t read them, it explains to everyone why you made ignorant comments in the first place. That’s your own undoing.

In fact I went to the original documents – like a serious researcher - unlike yourself whose basing your views on secondary and tertiary information that gets interpreted differently each time.

No-one can help someone who continues to disagree with the primary source, yet agrees with the secondary and tertiary sources. Speaks poorly of your research method. You obviously have your own agenda.

Serious researchers do what I do – amateurs do what you do. You’re not as “flexible in your views” as you say you are and are the one who can’t take the critique as is proven in your response.

The good thing is as a result of your inquiry, the INACCURACIES of Olaf Caroes’ book regarding the Jadoons are there for everyone to see – and the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS correcting his assumptions are there for everyone to read!

Adil Khan Jadoon

Dear Sughra Mughal:

AOA.

I have read your original comments on the Jadoon tribe and then the comments made by Adil Khan. It is clear that he has taken information from several respectable sources and he has taken the time to fully quote these in his response to you. However your response to him was very unreasonable and rude. You say in your reply to Adil Khan:

“On the above grounds it leaves no room for the enlightened to carry on any further discussion especially with you. I only respect people of knowledge, who are rational, enlightened and exhibit the protocol of communication”.

If Adil Khan is not knowledgeable, I certainly donot feel that you have the knowledge to be commenting in an authoritative way on the Jadoon tribe. It is clear for our readers to see who is more knowledgeable and correct on this subject.

Tahir Khan Jadoon.

The Prosecutor whoever you are!

I would like to draw attention of the readers to two main flaws in your case, not scholarly but ethical.

You Criticised Jadoons, ok, Mr Adnan Khan Jadoon being a jadoon directly shot didnt mind at all but cleared your mind according to your wishes mentioned above that u like good critique. Then why did you mind and offend him being not directly targeted, its not understading inspite he gave references i also read which are true.

Second if he proved your references wrong and partly, then u may explain them again wholy or may provide more references in prosecution but you didnt at all desspite being rude and offending.

I am an Historian, a europian and doing my Postdoc research about Afghan Origins now in islamabad, and according to all my 10 years study and knowledge you are wrong/poor in your prosecution, your clearance and your ethics as well. You have no right to criticise or to provide false material on any clain, tribe or origin.

mr sughra who ever u are you don't know whenever you going to say something about critical matters like Tribes,clan so think about it hundard times before say something and approach with the right material my brother Adil Khan Jadoon explined it very well with the solid proof of diffrent historions refrences i would like to say that you don't have small right to destroy and presents the wrong history of JJJJJJJAAAAAAADDDDDDDUUUUUUUNNNNNNN mind it.Sohail Khan Jadoon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.179.35 (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

NO BODY IS GREAT IF YOU SAY GREAT THAN SAYYEDS ARE GREAT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE DECENDANTS OF GREATEST PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.138.184 (talk) 04:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and Regards to all readers!

Joseph Conor

England —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.185.142 (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Notable Jadoons (2)

• Ali Asghar Khan Jadoon, Scout Leader, Education NJV School, Karachi, Pakistan.
• Zafar Iqbal Jadoon, Proprietor, Universal Engineering Karachi, Pakistan.

• Zafar Iqbal Jadoon
• Aapni Parwaaz-e-Takhayyull Thi Zamane Se Juda
• Jiss Jagah Koyi Na Pahuncha Wahaan Tak Pahunche
• Main Samajhta Huun Harr Dil Mein Khuda Rehta Hain
• Mera Paigam Mohabbat Hain Jaahan Tak Pahunche
• Zafar Iqbal Jadoon G O G JADOON G 119.63.136.98 (talk)* —Preceding undated comment added 09:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC).

Gadoons/jadoons are the Pathanlike people.The Gadoons/Jadoons are mostly living in the Gadoon area of Sawabi distt.There they are known for their hospitality.They speak pashto.They are brave people. They named the area after their tribe.Members of this tribe also present in good numbers in the distt of Abott Abad where they occupied the land. The only area Gadoon in the whole country not occupied by any invaders(mugals,britishes etc). They are migrated from the southwestren afghanistan where they were came from present day Gujarat State. There is saying in pashto ,,cha pa khwa pa zemana ki yaw KHODA wou yaw Rasool wou yaw Salar ouw bal Mansour Salar and Mansour are the tow clans of Gadoon tribe always fight eachother in the past. A new sprang sub tribe is Hassazai found in Hazara. Somewhere i read that they are Jews along with other pashtun tribes (Tum ne ghlat suna hy ye Indian log heyn) We the yousufzais ,khataks are bunch of many races. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.217.149 (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Confusion with the Yadhavs

James Tod was an Englishman and a Colonel,who served in the East India Comapany and wrote a book 'Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan Or the Central and Western Rajpoot" on his expereince in the Indian subcontinent (1) he conjectured that the Jadoons were related to the to the Yadu race (see page xviii of his book) and further wrote that they descended from Salbahan at the period of the expulsion from Gujni ^[1]Tod also also provides reference to a dreadful battle at Jodpoor in which a Jadoon Kishore leads the fight in 1737 ^[2] On the other hand William Wilson Hunter has referred to the Jadun as Rajputs of Mewat ^[3]. However it is clear that since James Tod was not a linguist or historian, he was simply mistaken. This is further supported by his own acknowledgement on page xviii of his book where he states as one of his headings "Conjecture regarding the Jadoon tribe of Eusofzye". In addition, Montstuart Elphinstone, a Scotsman, a Statesman, historian and first British Envoy to the King of Afghanistan and so a contemprary of Tod also did not mention this when he described his encounter with the Jadoons and Yousafzai, in his book, "Account of the Kingdom of Caubol" published in 1815, he states, "Among the Jadoons, a branch of the Eusofzyes..." (p.17). Furhermore, the "Yadu" or Yadhavs (descendants of the King Yadu and from which Lord Krishna descends from) as they are properly called do not lay claim to this assumption by Tod. Interestingly among the Pashtuns of the North West Frontier, there are Rajputs who have since converted to Islam and speak Pashto, but still claim their Rajput heritage.

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The Oriental scholar, James Tod in his book Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan Or the Central and Western Rajpoot has attributed the origin of the Jadoon to the Yadu race descended from Salbahan at the period of the expulsion from Gujni [4]Tod also provides reference to a dreadful battle at Jodpoor in which a Jadoon Kishore leads the fight in 1737 [5] On the other hand William Wilson Hunter has referred to the Jadun as Rajputs of Mewat [6]

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Intothefire (talk) 17:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You're missing the point of wikipedia - argue the facts. Even Todd realises his conjecture regarding the Jadoons. This is what he writes on page 191: "Conjecture regarding the Jadoon tribe of Eusofzye, that the Afghans are Yadus not Yahudis or Jews". What is it that you don't understand? - Yadu Rajput —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yadu Rajput (talk • contribs) 23:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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Provided references from another two verifiable scholar sources apart from earlier two

• Bellew
• Harun Rashid
• James Tod
• William Wilson Hunter

Suggest you please remove your long personal commentary from the article and transfer :::::::::it to the discussion page .

The article is enriched by referenced content even if contradictory facts emerge , in the end this is the way to progress the knowledge on the subject .

Intothefire (talk) 11:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

(This belongs in the discussion due to its nature and the debate of the references). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yadu Rajput (talk • contribs) 04:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Confusion with the Yadavs

James Tod was an Englishman and a Colonel, who served in the East India Comapany and wrote a book "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan Or the Central and Western Rajpoot" on his experience in the Indian subcontinent (1) he CONJECTURED that the Jadoons were related to the to the Yadu race (see page 191 of his book)("Conjecture regarding the Jadoon tribe of Eusofzye, that the Afghans are Yadus not Yahudis or Jews").

Clearly James Tod not being a linguist or historian, was simply mistaken. This is further supported by his OWN acknowledgement in his book. In addition, Montstuart Elphinstone, a Scotsman, a Statesman, historian and first British Envoy to the King of Afghanistan and so a contemprary of Tod also did not mention this when he described his encounter with the Jadoons and Yousafzai, in his book, "Account of the Kingdom of Caubol" published in 1815, he states, "Among the Jadoons, a branch of the Eusofzyes..." (p.17). Furhermore, the "Yadu" or Yadhavs (descendants of the King Yadu and from which Lord Krishna descends from) as they are properly called do not lay claim to this assumption by Tod. More interestingly among the Pashtuns of the North West Frontier, there are Rajputs who have since converted to Islam and speak Pashto, but still claim their Rajput heritage.

Another military person Major Henry Bellew also misunderstood the diverse ethnic communities of the region and borrowed Todd’s idea that the “Jadun” were Rajput origin [7], and further developed it into making the entire Pashtun nation to be of Rajput descent. An idea to which Todd also alluded to.

Another retired Pakistani brigadier Harun Rashid used Todd’s and Bellew’s references in “History of the Pathans” to perpetrate the same mistake without an scholarly critique on the literature [8]. Therefore, from the background of these authors and the fact the present day literature on Yadhav history does not agree with these statements as being accurate (see Yadhav in wikipedia and references within), it is clear these conclusions have no real foundation and were made in error.

Linguistic issues in pronouncing names by non-native speakers

It is clear that British and foreign military personnel that encountered the different ethnic communities in India in the 1800s were not really expert "scholars" or anthroplogists and often compared "apples with oranges" in their explanations as is clear from Tod's and thoughts of how "Yadus" and "Yahudis" (Jews) are spelt similarly in "english" and "pronounced the same by an Englishman" therefore are "derived one from the other". Another person guilty of this was Major Bellew, who actually theorised that ALL OF THE PASHTUNS WERE RAJPUTS[7] based on the simple fact that these names in English had similar spelling, and English-style pronounciation. A modern day analogy of this would be to consider "Ali" (an Arabic proper name) with "Alley" an English name meaning a passage between two walls, and to think that one was derived from another (related) would be incorrect. Although these words would be pronounced in the same way by an "Englishman" in their actual native tongues there are subtle differences in these words. Likewise,the "n" in Sanskrit names is very "nasal" and would be better spelt as "nr".

Another analogy is to think that the people in Pakistan with the name "Shah" are derived and the Jain (Hindu) "Shah" - spelt identically. This is again not the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yadu Rajput (talk • contribs) 22:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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