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Pashto

Someone seems to keep editing this article with references to Pashtun or Pathan yet there is no relationship between Hindko/Hindkowan and Pashto/Pashtun. The latter are Iranian, the former are Punjabi (Indo-Aryan). Hindko/Hindkowan ARE a mix of Punjabi and another language/ethnicity, but that is Mirpuri to the Northeast, not Pashto to the West. There are many huge cultural differences between the Pashtun who tend to be Sunnis of the Deobandi variety whereas Hindkowans are usually Barelwi Sunnis. There has been historical animosity between the two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.147.134 (talk) 06:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hindkowans of today are mostly living along side pashtuns and have intermarried many pashtuns today speak hundko as their first language mostly hindkowans are sunnis as well stop spreading fake information 2A02:9B0:4039:6AF7:1955:9C13:12AB:79A8 (talk) 11:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

No reliable sources that say hindko is a language that is spoken by pashtuns has been cited, so the OP is correct and the reference of pashtuns as one of the ethnic groups that this language belongs to should be removed. 76.65.29.138 (talk) 22:08, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

Scholarly and Official Recognition of Hindko”

@Hello everyone, I understand the article is currently protected, so I am discussing here instead of editing directly. I would like to note that Hindko is officially recognized as a distinct language in Pakistan’s national census and by many linguists. Although Ethnologue classifies it under “Lahnda,” this is a broad grouping mainly used for Western Punjabi varieties, not an exact reflection of speaker identity. Hindko has several regional dialects (Hazara, Kohat, Peshawar, Attock, Hazro), but its speakers consistently identify it as one language. I suggest that the article reflect both scholarly classification debates and the cultural and official recognition of Hindko as a language in Pakistan. @ 2paknartopa (talk) 02:41, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

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2paknartopa (talk) 02:50, 30 September 2025 (UTC)article:

“It is true that some sources, like Ethnologue, label Northern Hindko and Southern Hindko separately, but the term they use—Lahnda—is actually a broad linguistic category primarily applied to Western Punjabi varieties. This does not mean that Hindko is the same as Punjabi, and speakers of Hindko and Saraiki consider their languages distinct from Punjabi. Hindko itself has several regional dialects, such as those spoken in Hazara, Hazro, Kohat, Peshawar, and Attock, which reflect internal diversity. The existence of these dialects does not make Hindko multiple languages; rather, it is a single language with multiple regional varieties, officially recognized in Pakistan and identified as such by its speakers.”

“Some sources or nationalist perspectives may claim that Hindko, Saraiki, Pahari, or Dogri–Kangri are merely dialects of Punjabi. However, this does not reflect the views of the speakers themselves, who identify these as distinct languages. Official sources in Pakistan and India, including national censuses, recognize Hindko, Saraiki, and Dogri as separate languages. Linguists also note that while these languages are related through their Indo-Aryan roots and share features from Shauraseni Prakrit, they have distinct vocabularies, phonologies, and identities that justify classifying them as separate languages rather than dialects of Punjabi.”

Reason: This addition clarifies the relationship between Hindko and Punjabi using reliable linguistic sources and census recognition. It avoids confusion caused by the Lahnda classification and reflects the perspectives of Hindko speakers and official documentation.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 03:12, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Here are reliable sources supporting the proposed addition about Hindko:

1. Ethnologue – Hindko: • Northern Hindko (hno) • Southern Hindko (hnd) These entries show Hindko is recognized as a distinct language within the Lahnda group, not as Punjabi.
2. Pakistan Census 2017: The official census lists Hindko separately from Punjabi and Saraiki as a distinct language. (Source: Pakistan Bureau of Statistics – Language Data)

✅ These reliable sources confirm that Hindko is a distinct language, officially recognized in Pakistan and documented by linguistic research. 2paknartopa (talk) 06:10, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

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2paknartopa (talk) 05:04, 2 October 2025 (UTC)Here are reliable sources supporting the proposed addition about Hindko:

1. Ethnologue – Hindko: • Northern Hindko (hno) • Southern Hindko (hnd) These entries show that Hindko is recognized as a distinct language within the Lahnda grouping. 2. Pakistan Census 2017: The official census lists Hindko separately from Punjabi as a distinct language. (Source: Pakistan Bureau of Statistics – Language Data)

✅ These reliable sources confirm that Hindko is a distinct and officially recognized language in Pakistan, supported by linguistic and census documentation.

Kindly stop spamming this talk page by creating multiple sections and saying the same thing over and over. This has already been discussed. WP:DROPTHESTICK. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

@HistoryofIranI understand, thank you for the reminder. I only replied again because I hadn’t received any response earlier and wanted to make sure my sources and request were seen. I’ll avoid repeating messages in the future. 2paknartopa (talk) 21:42, 2 October 2025 (UTC)