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Confusion between articles

1. This article has very strong correlation with another one tited Chitpavan Konkanastha Brahmins. Maybe we should merge these two.

2. This other article has been seriously vandalised by someone who has attempted to discredit the Chitpavans and indeed, insult the community subtly. I have attempted to clean up his act, and remove the bias but that is one of the downsides of Wiki.

RE: This is the strength of WIKI that all facts come out and are not easy to suppress. This article is much improved version of the one titled Chitpavan Konkanastha Brahmins. If I detect that it's getting out of hand, I'll be back, to clean up the act. :o) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.137.34 (talk) 14:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

<----> hmm... There was a page on Chitpavan Konkanastha Brahmins earlier. Its "Discussion" section had some very thought provoking information.

It seemed to be lost but I have dug it out. Giving it here for new visitors: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chitpavan_Konkanastha_Brahmins&printable=yes

Do not miss it! <---->

3. Third, I agree with one of the comments here that the physical characteristics are only one of the possible identifiers of a Chitpavan. There are many more, most importantly, personality, achievement orientation, intelligence and a positive, liberal attitude, all of which have given the Chitpavan his place in Indian society. I support Mr Patwardhan's POV that lets stop talking about "Gore-Ghare" all the time :)

Artaxerxes07 03:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Removal of ' A Konkan Legend' - An Article by S M Edwardes

There was an interesting article by above name incorporated in Chitpavan Origins section. Some mad person has removed it. However this person has failed to remove the link which is By Ways of Bombay - Chapter XIV " A Konkan Legend" - By S M Edwardes http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/1/0/0/7/10071/10071.htm

Wikipedia is fast becoming a platform of expressing personal opinions and rivalries rather than a repository of knowledge. This I am afraid is bound to diminish its credibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.0.180.100 (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Listfarm

I'm moving this list to the talk page as it's too long and doesn't add anything to the article.Toddst1 (talk) 15:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

collapsed for readability

A Agarkar Abhyankar Agashe Apte Athavale Achari Avalaskar Achwal B Bal Bagul Bakshi[Origin:Achari] Bam Bapat Barve Bedekar Behere Bhagwat also found in Deshasthas Bhanu Bhave Bhawe Bhat Bhate Bhatkhande Bhide [Origin: Bhadbhoke] Bhogle Bhuskute Bodas Bade [Origin: Gokhale] C Chitale Cholkar Chaphekar Chhatre also found in Deshasthas Chiplonkar Chiplunkar ( Origin : Chitale ) D Dabholkar Dabke Date/Datye/Datey Damle Dandekar also found in Deshasthas Datar /Datir Deshmukh also found in Deshasthas and Maratha Community Deodhar Dhamankar Dhamdhere also found in Maratha Dharap Divekar Dixit also found in Deshasthas Dongre Deval G Gadre Gadgil Gangal Ganpule/Ganapule Ganu Gaitonde also found in Saraswats Ghaisas also found in Deshasthas Ghanekar also found in Saraswats Ghangrekar Gharpure Ghule also found in Maratha Godbole Godse also found in Deshasthas Gogate Gokhale Gole also found in Deshasthas Gondhalekar Gore also found in Deshasthas, Mali and Marathas Goray Gorey also found in Deshasthas Govindye Govitrikar Gaonkar also found in karhade H Huprikar (Originally: Joshi) J Joshi Jog Jogdeo Joglekar Jogdand Joshi also found in Deshasthas and Karhades K Kalamkar also found in Deshasthas, Marathas and Jains Kakatkar Kale also found in Deshasthas and Marathas Kanitkar (But Kanetkar is a deshastha surname) Kanade Kane Karandikar Karmarkar Karlekar Kurlekar (a branch of Chiplonkar) Karve Kelkar Ketkar Khare (groups.yahoo.com/group/khare) Khadilkar (origin: Bhat) Khambete (origin: Marathe) Kokane (origin:Dandekar) Koparkar Kolhatkar Kunte Kaprekar[origin:Bhagwat] Kanhere (groups.yahoo.com/group/khare) L Lagu also found in Karhades Lele Limaye Londhe also found in Deshasthas Marathaand Malvi Sonar In Vidharbha & Madhya Pradesh M Malshe Mahabal Mandlik also found in Deshasthas and Maratha Manohar Marathe Mate Mehendale Mhaskar(Mhaiskar) Misar also found in Maratha Modak Mokashi Mone Malse N Nagarkar Namjoshi also found in Deshasthas Naravane Natu/Natoo Nene Nitsure Nijsure O Ogale Oak Oke Ojale P Palnitkar Patankar also found in Ckp Patwardhan Paranjape Paranjpe Parchure Patankar Pawgi (Pavgi) Phadke Phatak Pimputkar Ponkshe ( http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=15704869 ) Potnis also found in CKP Pethe Pendse Parvate Pitkar (Formerly Ketkar) Phatak (pronounced Fatuck)(But Pathak is Deshastha Surname) Phadnis also found in Deshasthas R Rajwade Ranade Rahalkar Risbud Raste S Sabnis also found in Deshasthas and CKP and Saraswats Sane Sahasrabudhe Sahasrabuddhe/sahasrabudhe(Originallly:Ganapule/Ganpule) Sakhdev Saranjame (Originallly:Ganapule/Ganpule also found in Marathas) Sathe/Sathye/Sathaye Savarkar also found in Deshasthas Sharangpani Shende also found in Deshasthas Shevde also found in Deshasthas and karhade Shintre Sidhaye Sohoni (Sowani) Sowani Soman T Tambe Tilak Tamhankar also found in Deshasthas and CKP Thatte Thorat (originally Gadgil) also found in Maratha Thosar also found in Deshasthas Tulpule U Ukidwe/Ukidve/Ukidave/Ukidawe V Vad Vaishampayan Vaidya also found in Deshasthas/CKPs Vartak Vatve Vaze Velankar Vidwans W Wad Wadadekar/Wardekar Watve/[3]Watwe/Watave (Origin: Dandekar) Welankar

Typical Chitpavan Surnames

Chitpavan article

Social Status

Hi All

The article has following

As per Western India in the Nineteenth Century By Ravinder Kumar,

the deshasths brahmins of maharashtra believed that they were the highest of all brahmins. Upon the chitpavans, they looked down with scarcely veiled contempt as parvenus(A Parvenu is a person that is a relative newcomer to a socioeconomic class.), barely fit to associate on terms of equality with the noblest of dvijas. A chitpavan who was invited to a deshasth home was a privileged individual, and even the Peshwa was denied the rights to use the ghats reserved for deshasth priests at Nashik on the Godavari.

Ravinder Kumar also states

prior to the British conquest of 1818, the administration of Maharashtra was dominated by the chitpavans, who possessed greater intellectual agility and political acumen than the deshasths, and who were consequently able to exercise a more profound influence over the region. The community produced men of distinction in politics, in the field of scholarship and in the art of war like skilled diplomat Nana Phadnavis or administrators of integrity like Ramshashtri, or advaitists of repute like Mulhar Shrotee or scholars of distinction like Raghu Achraya Chintaman

Many people seem to be taking offcense to line who possessed greater intellectual agility and political acumen than the deshasths.

Please note the following
1) These comments are not opinions of the writer of article "Lambodhar"
2) The comments in italics have been taken from book Western India in the Nineteenth Century By Ravinder Kumar. So needless to say that these comments are that of author Ravinder Kumar and not that of any "Chitpavan brahmin" or author Lambodhar
3) Most importantly, Ravinder Kumar is not an Chitpavan Brahmin.

So if any one has issues regarding comment, kindly take it up with "Ravinder Kumar". This article just states what all has been written about chitpavans and does not try to make any judgement or conclusion regarding any topic.

Ironically, people who raise moral issue about the above comment, should also raise issue about comments "they looked down with scarcely veiled contempt as parvenus(A Parvenu is a person that is a relative newcomer to a socioeconomic class.), barely fit to associate on terms of equality with the noblest of dvijas", which people seem to be conviniently ignoring because it suites them.

Regards Lambodhar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambodhar (talk • contribs) 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)