User talk:Tuomas
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Have fun! --Jiang 01:50, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Hi Tuomas!
You did some rewriting on Finland, which is good. Although you should know that there is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries that tries to give all country articles a common look. So we should split the paragraph about politics and "subdivisions", in this case provinces. -- Jniemenmaa 08:49, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)
Go along!
I'm (or was) concerned that 1/ geographical subdivisions (maakunnat) (Uusimaa, Tavastia, Ostrobothnia and whatever the anglified/latinized names are) weren't distinguished from 2/ subdivisions of central government (läänit, kihlakunnat, maistraatit) or 3/ subdivisions of local government (municipalities and "regions" - reformed maakunnat), not the least in the case of Åland.
(Needless to say: I find the subdivisions of central government less important for foreign readers.)
I do also find it particularly confusing to put in a paragraph on the judicial system under the heading "politics".
But moulding all countries in the same form is most certainly better than the repeated demolition of considerate article dispositions, which I think I've encountered already quite a few times here.
The question is: What's the most important? To follow the guideline's proposed choices of headings, or to adopt to what's important and relevant in the case of Finland? Should I suppose it being too presumptuous of me to propose the headings "Central government" and "Local government" in the case the common look-and-taste requires corresponding number of headings? -- Tuomas 01:22, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstood me. I said the things you wrote were good. I only wanted to point out that there was wikiproject for all countries. If you have problems with the layout presented there, maybe you would like to express that on the projects talk page?
- Now, if you do think the current article on Finland doesn't tell people what is important and relevant, then you should change it! Be bold! -- Jniemenmaa 08:54, Aug 24, 2003 (UTC)
I've thought back and forth, and at least for the moment come to the conclusion that I stand by my previous change. It reduces the look-and-taste similarity, I agree to that, but it reflects the facts on the ground (as I see them). I considered introducing the heading Historical provinces - and am still tempted - but did not, since that would be even more of a breach against the guidelines. The guidelines say that administrative subdivisions are of interest, and it would then maybe be confusing for the comparing reader to find the historical provinces in their place.
I do however realize that the incongruence invites to corrective edits, and it would maybe be better if I make the change before someone else... ;-)))
--Tuomas 02:39, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Hi Tuomas,
Your initial comments on Graculus's nomination are appropriate, in my opinion. But you don't need to defend your opinion, or comment on 172's actions: providing links to the edit war is sufficient. Strictly speaking, you should only post if you're concerned that Graculus would abuse his sysop powers, but I try to make a habit of not speaking strictly ;-).
As edit wars go, this is pretty small potatoes. Check out New Imperialism (on August 1) and Catholicism (on July 22 and 23) for examples of some recent edit wars.
If you believe that a user is acting inappropriately, the best thing to do is to save a catalog of that user's actions privately on your computer; if the actions continue to the point where you think that user should be banned, you can email Jimbo Wales. See his post on the mailing list .
Also, just thought I should mention: 172 is at the top of the list of Administrators because it's arranged in alphabetical order; his position on the list does not indicate any special status.
Cheers, Cyan 03:58, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)