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Article deletion

Hi, you deleted an article created on John Thuo who is an aspirant for parliamentary elections in Kenya. See http://iebc.or.ke/index.php/media-center/press-releases/item/nominated-candidates-for-the-4th-march-2013?category_id=7

please let me know if this is sufficient justification for the person to have a wikipedia entry other than what is available at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_National_Assembly_elections_in_Nairobi,_2013

If this seems ok, kindly restore the page.

Thanks Anon547 (talk) 09:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anon547. I'm afraid that simply being a candidate is not sufficient grounds for a WIkipedia article. You might want to have a look at the specific notability requirements for politicians. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Unblock

Fine by me - can you do the honours as I'm on a smartphone at present, which makes it fiddly?! Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 11:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

It's done. Thanks. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Elen of the Roads's talk page.
Message added 22:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

You took down my page :(

Hi there Yunshui, i now know why you took down my page after reading your "did i delete your page" but i wasn't familiar with the rules, and i didn't get a warning so i couldn't change the page so it would fit the rules. It is a page about a tale with describes a fictive person, i my self haven't wrote the tale but i've got permission to write a resume of the tale and some background on the story. also how do i move the page to the danish site? i really wish to do so. thank you 2ballerog1pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2ballerog1pat (talk • contribs) 12:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Nonsensical fictional reimaginings of history are not suitable content for Wikipedia. I sincerely doubt such contributions will be welcomed at the Danish Wikipedia either, but you're welcome to create an account there and ask them; the Danish version can be found here. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Ismail obuli

I can certainly understand the reasons for declining my CSD A7 nomination; what I'm concerned now is that the author has blanked the article - does this qualify for G7? - hmssolent\^{Let's convene} _{My patrols} 13:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Technically it does, but I'll check first. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

No response; I've gone ahead and removed it. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

You deleted my page

Hello Yunshui, I created a page for the Christopher Miles film "Fire from Olympia" and then wrote the content to go on it. Before I had finished writing (less than ten minutes) it you had deleted it. I admire your diligence but I can't type that fast! Adrian MCS 13:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manor Cottage Studios (talk • contribs)

Hi Adrian. The content you'd posted was literally just a restatement of the page's title. If you'd like to work on the article at a more leisurely pace, I'd suggest you start by creating it in a subpage of your userspace - there's a link at the very top of your screen marked "Sandbox", which will create just such a working space for you. Build your article there, and then move it into the main encyclopedia once it's got enough content and sources to survive. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree that was the only content Yunshui for only ten minutes and I contested the rapid delete warning saying that the main body would be there in less than ten minutes but what I had written has also gone, is there no way I can retrieve my work?MCS 14:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manor Cottage Studios (talk • contribs)

I have checked, but I'm afraid it does not appear to have been saved anywhere - your only deleted contributions (which I'm aware you can't view) are your one edit to create the page and your contest of the deletion on the talkpage, and it doesn't appear in your live contributions. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Being that the username is a marketing firm, I have reservations about teh article they were trying to create and believe it was more then likely a marketing article. I could be wrong but we do seem to have a username issue as well. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I know; I've already warned him. Serious COI issues at Christopher Miles, as well. Manor Cottage Studios, you need to file a change of username request pretty sharpish if you want to continue editing. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Before I saw this conversation, I had blocked this account as a clear role account for this marketing company. I used a softerblock which invites them to set up a new individual account, and reiterated WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI, but we maybe need an entry at COI/N to get some neutral eyes on the articles they are editing. JohnCD (talk) 14:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I gave some thought to doing that myself instead of warning them, but it seemed a bit churlish when we were already having a discussion. Editing pattern does suggest some fairly unrepentant COI editing, so if they return then I agree that it might be worth COI/Ning both Christopher Miles and possibly some related pages. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

That is to say, it would have seemed churlish coming from me - I've no quibble at all with your block, John! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:36, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Good cause they are now editing as an anon IP, blatantly obvious []. Seems to indicate promotion only for sure. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Quacky. I've put the IP on ice for a couple of days. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Oops

Seems we both originally misinterpreted what was going on here. Unblock might be in order. Cheers! Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Mm; I have to say, I'm undecided. There are evidently more issues than the username violation at stake, and the decision to immediately return to editing the same article as an IP smacks of serious IDIDNTHEARTHAT to me. Unblocking is technically the right thing to do, but this might be a case of IAR; on balance, Wikipedia seems to me to be better served by leaving the block in place. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries like [] this tells me they are not here to build an encyclopedia whatever the username. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

My response at User_talk:Spitfire#Manor_Cottage_Studios should cover this. Pasting here:

"That's another matter - you can't block a user or an IP address for block evasion of a username block: that's definitive. It seems fairly obvious that John was aware of the COI problems when he set the block, but he decided it was not yet enough to justify a COI/spam block, and instead did a username block.

To then use this username block as cover for shuffling aside a problematic editor would be unacceptable. If you want to get the user blocked for spam/COI issues, that needs to be done via the proper procedures."

Cheers, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Oo-er, I see John was actually not especially aware of it until after setting the block - main thrust of my point remains the same, though. Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm still very much not convinced it's the right thing to do (or rather, it's the right thing to do, but may well not be the best thing to do), but okay; I'll unblock the IP. Then I'm off for the weekend; if it all goes horribly wrong before Monday, blame Spitfire! Yunshui 雲‍水 15:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, appreciate it! If things go wrong, I'll volunteer myself to the village stocks. (in seriousness, though, I'm happy this way, even if the user actually commits a (hard) blockable offense and is then blocked, that's preferable to me over blocking them before they commit it on a (albeit very strongly founded) suspicion that they will). Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

If this makes a difference [] the first block should have been the harder block anyways. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Not necessarily possible to say whether AIV would have done a harder block or not. Evidently at least one admin, John, reviewed the case and decided that a soft block was the best option - the fact that you also filed an AIV case doesn't really overrule that... you're welcome to take the matter to AN/I or another appropriate venue to petition for a ban/harder block. Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I really think that Yunshui hit it on the head that this is one of those that goes either way. I feel strongly about any paid editing, which being a marketing firm is. I think that by ignoring this we just let them go about their business on the sly. Granted this could be happening at any number of pages but when we know what's going on I think there is a duty to stop it. I've asked JohnCD to comment here, if three admin agree no need for me to block fish at AN. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

This is fine by me. If John agrees that a block for the COI/spam is appropriate, I have no objection. I can fully appreciate that such action may be appropriate. Sorry for being a bit of a stickler here: I just see a lot of cases where a somewhat problematic but not actually blockable user receives a username softblock, and is then incorrectly accused of block evasion and sockpuppetery when they follow the instructions on their block notice to create a new account / continue editing - it is very important that the username block doesn't have any impact on future blocks either for behavioural issues or socking issues. Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I considered a hardblock, but edits like this show that the user is being perfectly open and is (at least in his view) trying to correct BLP errors rather than to promote and (like most newbies) doesn't understand our rules. I have told him about BESTCOI and BLP/H, and have advised the IP to set up an individual account with which there can be a dialogue. If he is prepared to do that and comply with BESTCOI, I don't think we have a problem, though a COI/N entry to get more eyes on his pages would help. JohnCD (talk) 16:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Sanity

Just wondering, but you do remember that you have the pretty shiny buttons too right? Just was wondering, if there's some other reason feel free to just not answer :) gwickwire^talk_editing 23:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I've commented on the AFD, so I'm involved. Don't worry, all my shiny buttons are still fully intact! Yunshui 雲‍水 23:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Works for me (although, I don't know how involved that is, but I won't argue). Just didn't want you to have misplaced your buttons into the wrong hands (i.e. canvassededitor#1294). /me couldn't survive if Yunshui lost their buttons, who would I go to to get automatic no-questions-asked completely POV and OWN violating page protection and deletion?! for humor lackers, that was what's called a joke. gwickwire^talk_editing 00:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Kira discussion and investogation

Hi I see you requested an ip check on my username . I fear I will lose access to Wikipedia if one if the ip checkers think I caused the chaos on Kira's delete discussion. While I did write the article, I never thought it would cause such a massive dispute so if you have any advice let me know Siabaf (talk), —Preceding undated comment added 00:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

If you aren't the same user as the disruptive IPs, you have nothing to worry about - checkuser's been approved for the case, meaning that they'll be able to tell whether it's you or not. And, as I stated at the SPI, if it's "not", then I apologise for bringing you into it. Yunshui 雲‍水 01:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Premsutra Deletion

Hello sir,

I created a page called as Prem sutra and it got deleted because of some reason. Can you please let me know what could be the precautions i should take in order to avoid deletion in future.

Regards,

Samir K. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samirkamble (talk • contribs)

I see you have recreated the page; at least this time it's clear that the subject is a film (the previous incarnation appeared to be about a person, whom it now seems was a character in the film). However, I have still found it necessary to nominate the article for deletion; I hunted for sources to see whether it meets our inclusion requirements for films and it does not appear to do so. You may contest the deletion (there's a note on your talkpage explaining how), but the most effective way to do so would be to provide suitable sources; see this page to get an idea of what you need. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

My pages are for a University Assignment.

Hey, I know that these pages aren't exact;y up to a professional standard but I'm just putting them out there to show that I have tarted the assignment process.

Please don't delete me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seth Fasnacht-Conn (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

"More to come" isn't just "not up to standard"; it's not even a stub-class article. As I said on your talkpage; if you want to show that you've started the process, please do your work outside the main article space, using your sandbox. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Delcining my Article

Hi Yunshui,

I will attempt to re write the article on Marylebone High Estate Agents, if there are any further problems could you message me so that I can make amendments.

Kind regards

Elliot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliotchaytor (talk • contribs)

Please don't. Wikipedia only hosts articles about notable subjects, and simply being the only estate agent on a particular high street isn't in any way a claim to notability. If you persist in adding information about Marylebone High Estate Agents - especially if you keep adding links to their website - your account may well end up blocked for promotional editing. Please take a few minutes to read the notability guidelines linked to above (you might want to look at the specific guideline for companies, as well), and consider writing an article about a subject that meets those requirements instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Thank you for your help, I am still new to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xluckycharmx (talk • contribs) 21:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, ok.

Hey, sorry about any misunderstandings, I was literally just playing around with Wikipedia and didn't really know what was happening.

That's how I learn.

But whatever, enough ramblings.

(Seth Fasnacht-Conn (talk) 21:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC))

Fair enough, just keep your nose clean in future. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Sigma Team

Why did you delete it again? I'm re-edit it and leave it open, so that the people will understand the Russian-based company.

Rabbitgentleman (talk) 13:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

The Sigma Team page was deleted as the result of a community discussion; if you want the page recreated, you will have to file a case at Deletion Review. The page cannot be recreated without either overturning the deletion decision or addressing the concerns raised there in a new version of the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Trashness

Hi, I have been informed that you have deleted the page on Trashness. I found the blog much interesting and I also agree I may have written it in a bit way of advertising. I apologize for that. Is there any way I can make the page back with appropriate citations and references. I seriously need some help from you. Hope you would find a solution to my problem soon. Thanks, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The appropriate content guideline is WP:WEB. If Trashness has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself, or has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization, then we can have an article on it. If not, the website doesn't meet our requirements for inclusion. Since the article gave no suggestion that either criterion was met, I removed it. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I forgot to cite this source in the article, it just went out of my mind. Will this link work for the article to be cited or reliable : http://www.soletopia.com/2012/10/faces-of-trashness-interviewing-amin-eftegarie-maarten-van-damme/ ! Kindly, renew the article and make it get published as I find it genuine enough. Hoping you will reply asap ! Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 23:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

It's an interview - hence a primary source - in what as far as I can tell is a fashion blog with bells on; no editorial oversight that I can see, but at least content doesn't seem to be user-submitted. It might meet WP:RS, but it's not sufficient to attest to notability. However, in the interests of general peace and goodwill to all men, I'll userfy the page for you: I'd suggest that you put it through AFC once you've brought it up to code. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see that's already been done. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:55, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the kind help. I have created the article under AFC, and I am waiting for the review. I, henceforth request to consider the page and make it certified for wikipedia asap. It says, it will take a week time, looks too much for me. I hope you will understand the curiosity I have got for making the article go live. Since, you considered it, please do make the process happen as soon as possible. Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Violation, vandalism

Hi there,

This user is vandalizing a lot of pages. Probably he wants to be administrator and thinks he's right. Look how many he removed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Werieth

I was pissed off because he was removing also all the posters here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_UFC

And I saw that he did before here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_K-1_Events

I look forward to hearing from you. Please reply me here. This user deserves a ban. He doesn't bring anything than violations. I see he was also threatening users.

Regards,

Păduchele (Păduchele|talk) 09:55, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I haven't checked all Werieth's edits, but those file removals I did look at seemed valid. At most, he's guilty of being a bit over-hasty and bot-like in his edits, and needs to slow down and discuss some of these removals, but I see nothing in his work worthy of anything more than a mild rebuke (which I see Bushranger has already delivered). Whilst I appreciate your frustration, adminshopping and aggressive e-mails are not the appropriate way to deal with the issue - I note, for example, that you haven't made any attempt to discuss this on Werieth's talkpage. Talk to him about his (IMHO, valid, if hasty) image removals, and try to comprehend that you yourself may actually be in the wrong on this. From your contributions, it looks as though your understanding of the fair use policy could use some improvement; you may want to start by reviweing the content of that page. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

The problem was resolved. Thank you. You are wise administrator.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Păduchele (talk • contribs) 14:53, March 7, 2013‎

Autopatrolled

Hi Yunshui, I asked you a while back about user rights and couldn't think of anyone else to ask this question too, so I hope you don't mind.

I see that the autopatrolled page states 50 pages created as a suggested guideline for autopatrolled, as I have created about 40 GA review talk page aswell as 40ish more IP talk pages for vandalism warnings, do you think I would be eligible for these rights? I ask so that I can reduce the workload on new pgae patrollers, without the embarrasment of having my claim rejected over at request for permissions. So, in your opinion, would it be appropriate for me to apply for these rights? Thanks★★RetroLord★★ 09:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Give me a few minutes to poke through your edits and I'll get back to you. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Well that was easy. Unless the toolserver's lying to me (which it might well be, tempermental bugger that it is) I can't see that you've created any articles at all yet. GA review and talkpages don't take up much (if any) time at RPP, so we generally only grant autopatrolled for prolific article creators. Whilst your GA work shows that you have a pretty good knowledge of the content requirements and could certainly count towards an AP rights request, at present there's no visible need for you to have the right - if you aren't churning out articles, you aren't really contributing to the load on RPP. I'd save yourself the trouble of applying until you have at least 20-30 article creations under your belt; until then, I can't see any admin thinking it worthwhile. Hope that's helpful. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanks for that, much appreciated ★★RetroLord★★ 09:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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Rheem DRV

Yunshui, there is a DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 March 8 regarding your article deletion edit here. Jreferee (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'd have restored it (at least to userspace) on request, but since they seem determined to go through the most convoluted channel possible (why not WP:UND?) I wash my hands of the matter. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletions (aside from CSD G7 and some G6 cases) are outside the scope of WP:REFUND. However, the DRV nominator should have discussed the issue with you first. FWIW I would have declined the speedy because the NASCAR sponsorship is an indication of IoS. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Appreciate your thoughts, Ron. I gave some thought to whether sponsoring a NASCAR driver was sufficiently significant to decline an A7, but whilst Kevin Harvick is notable, companies that give him money are two a penny; I don't feel that the sponsorship deal is any indicator of noteworthiness. Still, opinions differ; it looks as though the consensus is headed towards an overturn, so I guess the article will be back up soon enough. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Page Creation

I want to write an article about a school but the school has no website, please tell me that still I can create article of school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.221.125 (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The general consensus on Wikipedia is that secondary schools (high schools) usually merit an article, whilst primary schools usually don't. What is the school you want to write about? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is a secondary school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.220.238 (talk) 09:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Has it been written about in suitable secondary sources? Whilst articles on secondary schools are usually kept, they still require verifiable content: that means you will need to provide sources. If you tell me the name of the school I may be able to help. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy

Hello Sir!, I want to make wikipedia a better place. I want to get training for Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy program and I want to get training from you. Please tell me your decision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Farhaking. As a rule, we don't usually take CVUA trainees on until they have over 200 edits under their belt; editors with fewer edits tend to have insufficient experience of Wikipedia to be able to undertake the training without making too many mistakes. Whilst your enthusiasm is appreciated, might I suggest that you start out by just doing some basic editing - fix spelling errors, locate sources, add bits of information here and there and so on. I'd be happy to take you on as a CVUA trainee once you're clearly familiar with Wikipedia's processes; and content creation is far better for Wikipedia than anti-vandalism! All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 09:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks you so much, I am going to get some more experience of editing wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Another question, I am a new user, will you adopt me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

That I can do, and willingly. Give me a few minutes to set things up and I'll pop over to your talkpage with details. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

edit HCL Technologies

Sorry for that one.What do you mean by constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiyanes (talk • contribs) 11:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

With this edit, you posted speculative, derogatory comments about both a living person and a company. This is in direct contravention of Wikipedia's neutrality policy, and is not permitted. Kindly don't add such content again. If you want to comment on business affairs, start a blog or a YouTube channel. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for that again.I don't knew it.I've edited now.Please check it once and tell me if I have to edit again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiyanes (talk • contribs) 12:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

No. You can't simply revert the same non-neutral text back into the article. If you persist, you will be blocked. I suggest you post to Talk:HCL Technologies with a redrafted version of your text, and request input from other editors. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:40, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:Image uploads

Sorry Yunshui, but I didn't know that it was a violation! Jeremy asked me a couple of months ago that if I wanted to upload some images, I would have to let him know and I would have to give him the images that he wanted me to upload! I didn't know. ChicagoWiz 21:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I even have the proof that he gave me permission! ChicagoWiz 21:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

It's okay, I'm not going to slap a block on you without considerable prior warning - call this a shot across the bows, if you like. It's pretty evident, however, that you still don't get Wikipedia's image use policy; anything that's licensed for non-commercial reuse only, or that forbids derivative works, is not suitable for re-release under Wikipedia's own CC-BY-SA licence. Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with image copyright here knows this. Until you can demonstrate a clear understanding of the relevant policies, you need to steer clear of file uploads, by proxy or directly. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Searching for sources.

Hi Yun

I was just reading over your user page and I noticed you said you create whatever takes your fancy (obviously as long as it meets the rules) well I've decided I'm going to try my hand at an article in similar fashion. My focus will be on 'Operation Blackout' from Club Penguin which was an event which broke player records for CP, unfortunately I've ran a check and the first 20 pages (I actually went this far) of Google results are either fan websites or YouTube videos of how to beat a / all of the parts as well as one post from CP's Website. Where would you suggest I look next for sources? MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 02:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

My usual go-to sites for sources are Google Books, Google News and (to a lesser extent) Google Scholar, with diversions to HighBeam Research (paid access) from time to time. I've run the search string "operation blackout" + "club penguin" on all of these, though, including archives, and come up with nothing - I'd say there's a very strong likelihood that it doesn't meet the inclusion guidelines. Sorry to rain on your parade; you might have an easier time of it writing about a different topic. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

References

If there is a university or any educational institute article on wikipedia, should I add references from its own website? Farhajking (talk) 09:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Generally it's best practice to avoid using information taken directly from the subject of an article, unless the information cited is pretty basic and uncontroversial. You could, for example, use a university's website as a source for student numbers or date of establishment, but not for something like the successes of its student debating society or its awards for research. Secondary sources are nearly always preferable. A link to the university's website (usually in the infobox at the top of the page) is usually appropriate, but the article should be primarily concerned with information that doesn't stem directly from the university itself. Does that make things any clearer? Yunshui 雲‍水 07:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

SPI clerk

Hi! If you would like, I can take you on as a trainee SPI clerk.

You should read the instructions for administrators, instructions for clerks, sock puppetry policy (make note of the legitimate versus illegitimate uses of sockpuppets), WMF privacy policy, and the checkuser policy.

We generally coordinate work via the IRC channel #wikipedia-en-spi ^connect, and, although it isn't critical, it can be a big help when explaining things. WP:SPI lists the open cases so you can find them, and User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js is a helpful little script you might want to add to your js page to assist with clerking cases.

Additionally, you may find that adding importScriptURI('http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-markblocked.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); to your js page to mark blocked users is helpful in determining which sockpuppets have been blocked already.

Be aware that you will likely end up dealing with sockpuppetting long-term abusers who will try to out you on various sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica.

If you're still interested, I'll add your name to the clerk list. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't ask for a better mentor. Let's do it.

I'm afraid I don't do IRC (for several reasons), so you'll have to make do with my geologically slow response time - my talkpage and email both get checked pretty regularly, though. Thanks for the script suggestions, I'll whack them in my .js page. Look forward to working with you. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright then! I've added your name to the clerks list. Good luck, and feel free to poke me on my talk page or via email if you have any questions! Reaper Eternal (talk) 10:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Huzzah, I can scarcely wait for the inevitable tirade of harrassment from LTAs. Having read/installed all of the above, do I need to do any further preperation or should I go straight ahead and start (very cautiously!) performing basic clerking duties? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Diamonds World Tour

Yunshui,

I'm sorry, I was a bit rude to you earlier today without meaning to be. I've undeleted this article, which you deleted after an AFD last year, because the tour has now started and there are evidently now reliable sources discussing it. The deletion rationales at AFD basically boiled down to CRYSTAL and no RS, both of which no longer apply, and it was fairly clear to me that everyone at the AFD recognized that there would be an article here as soon as the tour actually started. I think the undeletion is uncontroversial, so I just did it rather than make them go thru DRV, but I just realized I didn't check in with you about it first, which I should have. Sorry about that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

No offense taken, Floq - no offense even noticed, in fact. I seem to recall (I haven't checked) that my closing statement said something along the lines of "this can be recreated any time there are sufficient sources", so you have my pre-emptive blessing, as it were! I appreciate you letting me know, but I've no problem whatsoever seein the article recreated; I'd have done the same thing if I'd known. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 07:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Moved

Ho hum. Up to you whether you want to re-restore it or ignore it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

After the fallout last time, I'm not touching Vietnamese diacritics with a bargepole. I'll stick to languages with which I have at least a passing familiarity, thanks all the same. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries. 光陰矢のごとし, and pingponging districts around doesn't merit the minutes. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

グルーチョ? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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McDoyle massacre

Thanks for deleting the hoax; suspect perpetrator may have done others under different names (outside Australia where I am unlikely to look). IP address check, perhaps? Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Not from me I'm afraid; I don't have a checkuser hat. Fishing expeditions aren't really mandated by the CU policy, but you could always ask one of these guys if they'd be willing to take a look. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Glenda Cloughley

Hi,

You requested speedy deletion of the wikipedia article I made on Glenda Cloughley.

The reason for creating the page in the first place is that Glenda Cloughley wrote the music that was sung at Australia (and quite possibly the world's) first flash mob.

On March 18 2003, in protest over the Government's decision to enter the war in Iraq 150 women entered Parliament House in Canberra, scattered and then at a signal, sang a song written for the occasion by Glenda Cloughley and Judith Clingan [18]. The incident made national television and radio news.

The flash mob in Parliament House has become an important part of the history of the Australian Parliament House, as reflected in their own website http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP0708/08rp29

The repercussions of the concert were multiple and Australia wide. The next time some of the women from this original group sang in Parliament House, they were forbidden to sing any songs relating to personal or political freedoms', Chorus complied with the ban and used purple scarves to gag words of songs relating to ‘personal or political freedoms' This action received national media coverage. The Department head and Speaker of the House, Neil Andrew, said a mistake had been made and that such a restriction would not be made in future. This was a significant incident in the ongoing issue of freedom of speech in Australia.

Glenda Cloughley's contributions as a composer have made important contributions to Australia both culturally and politically and deserve recognition in Wikipedia.

The article I began was a stub, and would be developed further, but I hope you will agree, deserves to be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiriel (talk • contribs) 01:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay; I've restored it in your userspace at User:Kiriel/Glenda Cloughley. There are a few problems with the page besides the notability issue - we do not host articles on people who are only known in the context a single event, and full song lyrics should not be quoted in articles. Assuming that you can show Cloughey is notable for more the just the protest mentioned above, though, and provide sources backing up that claim, the article can be kept. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: I have done more work on the page, and added appropriate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiriel (talk • contribs) 13:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It's still not great, I'm afraid - of the sources, only the original Parliament House one is really usable (interviews are considered primary (non-independent) sources, the same goes for the CoW songbook, event listings aren't considered to be significant coverage, the ACT DoE document doesn't mention Cloughley at all, and the Kate Rigby source is a passing reference only). You can move it back to article space if you wish - there's probably enough there now to avoid deletion under A7 again - but if someone takes it into their head to nominate it for deletion through AFD, I have to say I'd expect to see it removed again. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution

Wikipedia:WikiProject Conflict Resolution.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

This looks like an interesting and probably much needed project. I'll give it some thought. Out of curiosity, how do you see this project dovetailing/overlapping with WP:DRN and WP:3O - what can we do with this new project that isn't already covered by the pre-existing DR process? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

This is geared towards coduct/conflict that may or may not involve content. Could be for more than three editors to encourage WP:3O be used first and clear content disputes would be refered to WP:DRN in the same basic way DR/N refers disputes of sources to the RS noticeboard etc.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

So a bit like a rebooted WP:WQA (no bad thing, IMHO) which could also serve as a clearing house for disputes requiring specific boards (eg. WP:COIN, WP:DRN etc.)? That sounds like a project I could get behind. It might also take some of the pressure off ANI, which would be a bonus. Do you have a particular conflict resolution process in mind (noticeboard, disputation templates, multi-signatory agreement etc)? I realise that it's a work in process, so I don't expect you to turn out fully-formed solutions; just curious as to how you see it developing. And yeah, having given it a bit of cogitation, I reckon I'm in. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Different in that this is not for assistance when you begin to have a civility issue, but for conflicts that have reached some further criteria like DR/N does, such as having an extensive discussion we would require the same and that it be a dispute that is or has now become, mainly conduct and conflict. I want to avoid civility itself as a standard, but mayber "severe and extensive incivility".--Amadscientist (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I think I see what you're getting at. So the remit is basically "non-content disputes" (including non-content issues raised tangentially within content disputes)? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

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WTF ISD TH POINT

IN REMOVING TALK PAGE ACCESS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT GROW UP AND UNBOCK ME I DID NOT CONTINUE WITH THE THREATS BUT YOU DID MY DEAR UNBLOCK MY TALK PAGE AND THEN APPLOGOISE FOR HUMAN RIGHT INFRINGMENT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.82.168 (talk) 13:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

As I said, read WP:GAB and file an unblock request through UTRS. Your current approach, is, frankly, only going to damage your case. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Adoption School Progress

Hi Yunshui, sorry I've been away for a little while, but I have completed new tasks on my User:PMChi/Adoption school page.PMChi (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Marked and passed, well done! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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Careless of me; now fixed. Thanks you, helpful bot! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Funny, and a request.....

Wikipedia:How many Wikipedians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?, and now the request....I will be away for the weekend; would you mind keeping half an eye on Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, a page I fully protected; it is about the right to arm bears, or something ;) (I just wanted to use that phrase for a long time). If not, it will be ok too, I gave a week of full protection. Cheers and thanks in advance. Lectonar (talk) 22:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Whilst I'd be glad to, I'm rarely online much at weekends, and won't be about much tomorrow, either. I'll cast a glance that way if I'm around, but you may want a few more eyeballs. Also, grrr... Yunshui 雲‍水 22:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

My phrase is from Jasper Fforde, The Fourth Bear. And I always loved Yogi bear, and boubou (?). And my thanks. Lectonar (talk) 23:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Airlift glitch

Hi there, although the article was an utter crap, I doubt A7 applies here. real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event - the content of the article did not fit any of these categories. --PlanetEditor (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hack in online game = web content. Seemed pretty clear to me. Would you rather I wasted a week of everyone's time at AFD? Yunshui 雲‍水 05:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. It is weird why this thought did not come into my mind when I AfD'ed it. --PlanetEditor (talk) 09:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Harka Gurung

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Sockpuppet

Can you review [] one of our friends is back and there is at least two socks. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Jeb5000's already blocked; Jebbey is possible, but pretty stale (no edits for the last three months); I don't reckon checkuser's going to be worth it on that one. Not enough for me to think it worth blocking outright, unless you're seeing something I'm not. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I understand it was stale, one of the clerks has actually found two additional socks and has endorsed the request as the socking goes back at least to the month of December and it is highly likely that there are others out there ;). I figured I'd involve you since you were invovled in the last block but we;ll see what else shakes out. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

And another [] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Post on Wikipedia:Administrator review/Yunshui

• Remove admin flag. This admin blocked me for the first time in six years of my useful work. Without any talks, without any warnings, without any analyze of the situation. For technically "3RR violation". But Reverting vandalism not counted as reverts for the purposes of 3RR. I was blocked for reverting of vandalism without blocking of real vandal. It was removal of two relevant templates without any real reasons: Four vandal reverts, no? With two reverts using sockpuppetry ip with insults: I just reverted that removals. But real vandal was not blocked, only my account. He renamed the aricles without discussion by moving text! NickSt (talk) 15:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

It look as though you've mistaken admin review for some kind of complaints procedure; I'm afraid that the only person likely to take any notice of messages posted there is actually me (and I don't intend to desysop myself for what I regarded at the time as a textbook 3RR block). As it transpires, you were in fact correct, though if you'd noted in your edit summaries or unblock appeals that you were reverting a sockpuppet of a blocked user I wouldn't have blocked you at all. I do apologise, though; your edits were exempt from 3RR, although I could not have known it at the time. If you genuinely want to pursue a case for removing my administrative rights, you would need to file a case with ArbCom. I wouldn't advise it (it would surprise me if they even accepted the case), but you are welcome to do so if you feel that I abused my admin tools. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:22, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Taking a quick flip through what Nick has claimed to be unreasonable tool usage, I think Yunshui has the upper hand here; I don't see how Yunshui has done anything wrong, provided the information at hand. By no means are warnings necessary to provide grounds for an admin to block a user. Kevin12xd (contribs) 00:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

About User Nidsn

Hey Yunshui, I don't mean to be rude or mean to you but I noticed you gave a warning to a new user on his talk page. The warning said it was his only warning and if he used Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, he may be blocked from editing without further notice. This worries me because of Wikipedia's Do not bite the newcomers policy and that he only created an article of that sort only once. I do not think such a warning was necessary. Again, I do not mean to be rude or mean to you. I've come across your edits many times and I see that you're a very helpful editor and administrator. :) XapApp (talk) 02:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

In most cases, I'd agree with you, and in cases where there's any doubt, I generally leave a welcome message and/or a {{uw-bizlist}} warning. However, when a user creates a new page called "I want tp [sic] post ad" with advertising content so blatant that it doesn't even make an attempt to masquerade as an article, then it's pretty clear that they ain't here for anything productive. In cases like that, I believe the most efficacious route for all parties is a 4im warning - it stops them wasting their time creating untenable content, and stops us wasting our time clearing it up. So I make no apology for that one; there's no way the person behind that page had any intention of building an encyclopedia, and if they aren't here for that purpose, they shouldn't be here at all. Didn't take your post as either mean or rude, by the way; you're trying to protect new editors and I respect and condone that, so no offense taken - I appreciate your candour. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

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WEP

Hi Yunshui, thanks for the reference to WEP but I checked with my institution (Sciences Po) and since this is experimental they rather not have me do this project under their name, at least this year. Hopefully I'll set a precedent and in a year or two a proper Sciences Po Educational Project can be set up. Thanks, RobertK Prods (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

There are definite risks to editing outside the WEP - even if you choose not to be part of it, I'd strongly recommend you get your students to take the student training course before they start editing. I've seen poorly-thought out education projects turn into disasters in the past, with students having their work deleted and even having their accounts blocked because the professor in charge wasn't sufficiently aware of what Wikipedia is and how it works. I'm not for a moment suggesting that your course is poorly-planned or that it won't be a success, but since your course structure hasn't been posted or vetted by a WEP ambassador, it's impossible to say how well it will work.

If you need help, you're welcome to post here; I'd be happy to offer what assistance I can. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey Robert. I'm another ambassador and I was just going to point out that you're strongly encouraged to run a WP:Course page at minimum. =) The one I ran last semester as an ambassador is at User:Biosthmors/Intro Neuro. I have developed a template you can copy/paste/adapt to User:RobertK Prods/Course page, for example, at User:Biosthmors/Course page. How else could Yunshui and I be of assistance to you? Also see WP:AFSE, which links to some relevant WP:Training. Biosthmors (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui and Biosthmors; first of all sorry for my long silence. Yunshui, I posted a reply to you on my User:RobertK Prods. Biosthmors, thanks for your helpful suggestion and the template. I will use it and create a Course Page as you suggest; and I plan to run my project through WEP, either this year or the next. RobertK Prods (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)