User talk:Will Beback/archive26
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Hello Will Beback, I was wondering if you could take a look at the Perverted-Justice page when you have a moment. There is disagreement there related to the opening sentence and the inclusion of the assertion that PJ engages in harassment. As it reads now, it appears to make the claim that PJ engages in harassment as a rule. Here is a link to the discussion: Talk:Perverted-Justice#Harrasment
That addition made by Barry Jameson was reverted back by a few people, myself included. Then Swatjester comes in and threatens me with a 3R (although he neglects to warn Barry Jameson of the same offense, even though he had far more than 3 reverts). I pointed out that all of the citations being used are garbage (some point to comments on articles, others point to Corrupted Justice or quotes by Corrupted Justice - an unreliable source by all accounts). I'm not asking for agreement from either party, but Swatjester ignored what I pointed out, left all the citations, and insulted my lucidity. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm asking for some assitance since if I do make any more reversions or changes I'll probably be banned. FrederickTG (talk) 03:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Will. I accept your recent deletions on the Talk page as a legitimate way to deal with the recent situation.
But could you clarify whether your intervention is as an editor of that page, supporting a position in the discussion, or as a neutral moderator of Wikipedia discussions. You have played both roles. They are not incompatible, but some indication from you of where you stand on the page's current and future evolution would seem timely.
As you know, a number of editors have been concerned that "pedophilia" has multiple meanings -- one in psychology, a different one in law enforcement, and a still vaguer one in general and casual usage in society -- and have thus argued that it was a poor choice for a word around which to build a Wikipedia article of that sort. It was clear that editors interested in the page could not agree on which definition to use.
Are you comfortable with the new title and introductory paragraphs? Or should we continue to seek a better solution?
The originator of the page is clearly upset, and that's highly understandable. He has made it abundantly clear that he is wedded to the word "pedophila" and to a definition of it that is extremely broad (one that he repeated in the material you deleted).
But Wikipedia requires its entries to acknowledge controversy and lack of unanimity where they exist, while he wants things simpler than they can be made for this subject. DEATH IN VENICE was a good test case. My position is that It can now be included, whereas it was a great stretch so long as "pedophilia" and "child sexual abuse" appeared in the article's title, since neither is clearly and unequivocally present in D in V. Do you agree? SocJan (talk) 22:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Water tank collage.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 01:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Wanted to request your support with, in my option, a disruptive editor involved with the Diebold article. His edits include adding adding Black Box Voting and Hacking Democracy under the See Also section of the article. These in my opinion are not related to this entry and would be better served in the Premier Election Solutions entry. If you agree I would like to request your assistance and monitoring this article and if necessary contacting an admin. I wouldn't want anyone to think there are any efforts to protect Diebold, but at the same time WP is not a soapbox and I wont have the time in the near future to help with this. Please help if you're interested. Thanks. --Electiontechnology (talk) 02:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I see that you deleted all the redlinks from these lists. One of the advantages of lists over categories is that "lists can include items for which there are yet no articles (red links)". I appreciate the formatting changes you made, but I'm going to restore the redlinks to the lists per the guideline. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I moved your paragraph about the master key to Premier Election Solutions#Security issues. It's better to keep all the voting machine-related stuff in that article, and keep the Diebold article about the parent corporation. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
If you go back a few days you will see this isn't about massive deletion, it's about massive bloating. This article has been at about 53 kilobytes for six months. Editors are reverting to a 13 month old article that was drastically trimmed following a GA review. It should go back to Vassyana's last version. Thanks.Momento (talk) 21:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I nominated it for deletion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_February_9#Category:Astroturf_groups DickClarkMises (talk) 23:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Will, do you have a link to the LA times article you refer to? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 05:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Could you please look at Meir Weinstein. I get the strong impression that Eternal Sleeper is removing material he doesn't like on dubious pretexts and I'd like an admin to review the situation. Black as pitch (talk) 03:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Can you please review the debate at Talk:Meir_Weinstein#my_opinion? Thanks. Black as pitch (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The article is now locked as a result of an edit war. Ongoing incivility: This may again be User:Semitransgenic from another location, see and the recent IP-based contributions on the talk page.
Also see -- I am currently wondering if I should pursue it. Looking at it, there might be some sockpuppetry going on on the Talk:Osho page, with various IP ranges (143.50.37.229, 62.47... and 67.183...) posting mutually supportive views, sometimes within minutes of each other past 4 a.m. European time: . Cheers, -- Jayen466 19:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
++ Vinmax ++ water tank == I see my funky collage of water tanks has been deleted from my submission, thats cool it needed work, I am such a newby at editing, I have a group of pictures of water tanks for replacement, the water tower that replaced my funky one, is a water tower and covered well under that term. How would I go about submitting several pictures of water tanks, ie a gallery. Again please excuse my ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinmax (talk • contribs) 03:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks like Mr. Silver, the perma-banned editor known for making self promoting, megalomaniacal edits without using the preview function, might be back. Check out the edits on the USS Simpson article and tell me that doesn't look like his pattern of edits... especially since he put his name down as a "notable" sailor! Just giving you a heads up!
Supersquid (talk) 12:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure why this article was reverted, but I made substantial edits today that cleaned up the work of the IP editor who had made the previous 20 edits. You in turn reverted all of my work. The minor explanation in your edit summary doesn't state your rationale or intention. No warning or notice was left on the previous editor's IP talk page or my own. Can you please clarify your intentions and what "banned" editor you are referring to? Thanks, --Daysleeper47 (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Tx for the info. --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. "Sure, Will. I will take a break." is certainly not "stop editing this article" - but I guess it will do for now. Thanks for stepping in there. Cirt (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
You left this message on my talk page:
Will, you seem to be a bit paranoid. I came to edit that image because there was a big fat message at Talk:Views of Lyndon LaRouche, warning that the image was about to be deleted. Don't believe me? Take a look, it's still there. --Terrawatt (talk) 21:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Given the recent protection, which was based on User:Nandesuka's assessment that There has been a full-blown edit war on that article for the past several weeks, the recent disruption by User:Nik Wright2, the ongoing misuse of talk page by User:PatW, and the WP:AN discussion about User:Momento, I would argue that requesting article probation (1RR, NPA, and disruption of talk page) may be the best way forward. Would you consider making a join request for article probation? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Please note that user::147.114.226.172 is almost certainly another sock puppet of ZoeCroydon []. Momento (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
...for blocking User:EliasAlucard. He was being an utterly narrow-minded nuisance and just wouldn't shut his mouth. He definitely got what he deserved. I love you, even if you are a guy. Onur (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
If you are genuinely concerned about personal attacks, I would expect to see lots of similar messages to that you placed on my talk page placed on those of other people, such as PatW. If you have not done that, then your request to me was disingenuous. Having said that, though, what is your definition of "personal attack"? I simply suggested that people were naive. The term "brainwashed" was used by various people on "the other side" on many occasions. So that can't be a personal attack. It's not a crime to criticise people's beliefs or positions; that is not a personal attack.
In addition, WP: No personal attacks states "Accusing someone without justification of making personal attacks is also considered a form of personal attack."
And I am sure you are aware of "Using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views — regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream." That seems to occur with great regularity amongst the detractors of Prem Rawat who edit those pages.
best wishes
He keeps removing everything that is about Syriacs. He remove the page Syriac people. Just because he is assyrian/chaldean, and thinks that syriacs are assyrians. Its been proved that syriacs are arameans. The user EliasAlucard is also blocked on swedish wikipedia. What can we do about user:Chaldean ?? VegardNorman (talk) 23:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Chaldean, if you have anything to say about me, please take it in my discussionpage. Is is also obvious that you're not that innocent that you apparently want to show you are. Lets take a look at the article Sharbel Touma and its history. Here, , you redirect to Syiac people. Same article, which it if course stood Assyrian before i changed it with a reliable source, you write in history that "reverted the edits of anonimous. he is a assyrian", how you know that he is Assyrian doesn't say. You probably even don't heard of this person. Not to mention what EliasAlucard wrote, "Look, the guy is an Assyrian. Just because some Syriacs claim they're Aramaeans, doesn't mean they are. Most Syriacs claim they're Assyrians anyway". Obviously with no reliable sources at all. This is a typical way of you to start an edit-war. And just to point it out, i'm not saying i'm infallible. The TriZ (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I may be persuaded that it would be better not to post anonymously, but your contention that it would be better to do so needs justification. In a polarised debate such as surrounds how to describe the operations of Mr Rawat, most of the arguments fall back on ad hominem statements. Whilst it is worthwhile to know, for instance, that one of the most actively involved editors (who also happens to be a wikipedia administrator) is (or was until very recently) a press officer for the Prem Rawat Foundation, I think it's better generally to look at what is being said rather than who is saying it. I post anonymously for that reason. (I already have a long-established user id. To set up a new one would imply operating a sock puppet, which I'd prefer not to do.) There is also an element of fear. Wikipedia has a lot of credibility, which I have, in my own small way, helped to build up over the years. The millionaire lifestyle of Mr Rawat is threatened by poor publicity. Therefore it would hardly be surprising if his foundation operated ruthlessly to censor anything which might deter would-be donors. If they fail in that, the next logical step would be to threaten those who operate to obtain transparency. I would rather keep safe and anonymous, protected by a firewall that allows my IP address to be the same as that of about 180,000 other people globally at the organisation where I work.
As an admin yourself, you might want to take a step back and try to see what is going on here. I am expecting now, following the Register article, that there will be increasing media interest in this story, particulary as the subject of that article continues to apply his (rather limited) marketing skills to keep a lid on the Prem Rawat and related articles and stop them covering what Rawat's followers don't want them to cover. A friend of mine is already in touch with an English quality newspaper, aiming to get a good story to follow up the Register article. (I should add that I am a seasoned activist in a number of areas, having been commissioned in the past to write for the BBC news website, for instance.) My suggestion was that jossi ought to back down, else he might find that his own friends will disown him because of the damage that will have been done to their cause by his own incompetence. Intriguingly that suggestion itself was deleted from the Prem Rawat talk page yesterday by another anon. His actions act considerably to increase the stench which the Rawat's Foundation's abuses of wikipedia have already created and are continuing to do. Newspaper readers love a good stench! 147.114.226.175 (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Will. I wonder if you'd mind stopping by Elias Acuard's user page and protecting it. Someone keeps posting asking Elias to post on their talk page . Or if I'm wrong on this, please let me know. IronDuke 00:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, why are you so active on pages related to pedophilia? A cursory review of your edit history shows tons of edits on pages related to NAMBLA, pederasty and other such topics. Based on the hair raising and despicable nature of these pages, and your access to the IPs and information of young wikipediaers, I think you should at least give us a quick explanation? --Neongreenchair (talk) 17:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC) P.S. no offense intended if your sole reason for watching those sites is to police them and make sure they don't cross the line (I don't even know why they're on wikipedia.) --Neongreenchair (talk) 17:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
You thanked this user [] for participating on this article, perhaps it's time to ask them to leave, they are an obvious sockpuppet of ZoeCroydon[]. Thanks.Momento (talk) 22:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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