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WebHamster (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
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So let's get this straight people, including the slavish zealots amongst you, I have been a productive editor for 8 years (regardless of being a sock{, yet you want to nail me to the cross for a cumulative four days of 'bad' behaviour? Yes I was a sock, yes I admitted it, and yes I threw them away. For the non-logic thinking admins amongst you, why would a very computer literate editor create socks after a block but during an SPI check and on the sma IP when it was have been piss easy for me to change my IP? On top of that I am not coming back as a 'normal' editor I'd be coming back as an editor with so many restrictions it's unreal. Additionally, the rules apply about socks apply to socks created to be disruptive. No-one can say with hand on heart that I created FtO or TPO to be disruptive. I've never vandalised anything, I've never created dramah (although admittedly much has been created around me). Now given that they weren't created to be disruptive or vandalise etc what's your best guess as to why I did it? Now again, why am I to be reblocked when the unblocking admins broke no rules, yet the reblocking admin does so by wheel-warring to get his, at the time, unilaterla way? If his wheel warring unilateral way hadn't existed then yet more dramah at ANI wouldn't have existed (do you guys do this to give yourselves purpose or something?) and I would be free to be productive again. Also during my out of prison time, did I fight with anyone, take on Jimbo, do anything that could be remotely considered disruptive, damn I didn't even spell anything wrong. Something else I'd like to strongly object to which was mentioned at an ANI (and I really do wish the lynchmob could actually read} I did NOT blame Torettes for my behaviour, in fact I actively denied it. I have NOT blamed my strokes for my behaviour, I actively denied it. The only thing I blamed my strokes for was an inability to spell and type correctly. I did mention my Asperger's and how and why I do certain things. I did not blame my conditions on anything I've been accused of.
Decline reason:
I am sorry to report that I have closed the ANI discussion and declined the unblock. My reasons for the close may be reviewed here. A substantial majority of the community opposed the unblock due to continued sockpuppetry and incivility. The result from the ANI discussion may be appealed to the Arbitration Committee, if you wish to do so, please see WP:BASC for details on how to do this. Sjakkalle (Check!) 21:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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As I have repeatedly pointed out I don't get other people to fight my battles, that includes Arbcom. Now I tried to do it your way with the severest restriction I have ever seen on an editor, yet you still wouldn't go for it. That is the only way it would prevent me from socking, it's the only it would prevent anyone from socking. This is not a tacit threat that I will sock again. As I've said earlier AFAIAC when a person is blocked, especially in this way, the 'contract' I had originally with Wikipedia is ended. That said I will do whatever I feel will be best for me, not what's best for the project, the project had that chance and gave me a great big "fuck you" in return. --WebHamster 21:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Incidentally, for those naysayers who believe I can't change, why not have a look at the history of WH and Fred the Oyster (The account I am currently using) over at commons. I'm left to get on with doing all the things I've mentioned here and I've been in no trouble at all. received no blocks. Let me do the work I want to do and I have no reason to sock, then everyone wins. What is so hard about that notion to understand? --WebHamster 09:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
It seems some people haven't actually seen the proposed short leash listed in detail, so I thought this might help:
Any other reasonable suggestions? --WebHamster 13:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Without an agreement to abide by wikipdieas rule without conditions its hard to belive you will abide by any agreement that is a gentlemans agreemtn.Slatersteven (talk) 14:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
An Agreemtn that if you breach any of the above even once you will be IP blocked.Slatersteven (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
A qurstion for the admins, is this proposal practiable? Also is thre any way to prevent this user from creating socks (givej they have dynamic IP's)?Slatersteven (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
If anyone would like to peruse the block log for WH, you will see that the terms for dropping the block is that I behave like an adult. So I take it no-one believes making a proposal like the above, partially designed to prevent me getting into trouble, is adult-like behaviour? --WebHamster 14:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to thank the editor's and admins who did their best to defend me, I'm very grateful. Should I have been unblocked I can guarantee that your faith in me would not have been unjustified, it's just a shame that others didn't give me any trust. What they don't seem to realise is that editors like me, ie ones who are blocked yet still want to make the project what it is, who only sock because events have got away from them and ended up blocked but aren't truly disruptive. I only sock because I'm not allowed to do legitimate edits, ergo if I'm allowed then I have no reason to sock. I have only ever socked when I was blocked. I've never used multiple accounts when WH was allowed to edit.
It makes no sense to me to block someone like me who does not sock to be disruptive. It just means that I will continue to sock under the radar. So rather than have me under the microscope as WH where I wouldn't have the chance to be 'disruptive' you prefer me to do as I like unobserved, and unmonitored. This to me makes it look strongly like this block is punitive because it certainly isn't preventative. --WebHamster 07:35, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi, WebHamster: I've turned off your talk page/email access as some of your recent comments have been inappropriate. I have no objection at all if another admin reviews and decides to restore your access. In the event that no one does this, you can appeal your block by emailing unblock-en-llists.wikimedia.org. Roger Davies talk 14:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello WebHamster. I've turned your talk page access back on, because I am (and Black Kite is) not at all convinced that you used it inappropriately: appealing for a block to be lifted, and arguing against those who would refuse this, seem precisely what your talk page access is for.
I do understand that you showed your impatience and called somebody a pompous ass (or called somebodies pompous asses). Now, I have observed at least one person behaving on this page like an ass, and I have observed much pomposity, so an appellation "pompous ass" might conceivably be accurate. However, accuracy of description doesn't imply justification.
Yes, I read what you have written at the top. Yes, I have come here to lecture you. I don't think I'm patronizing you, trolling, or otherwise fucking you about -- but I would say that, wouldn't I? It's for you to judge whether I'm doing any of these things. Anyway, as one adult calmly addressing another (or claiming to do so), I hope to elicit a thoughtful response from you. But if the response is instead uncivil, that'll be no skin off my nose.
I have not carefully read most of what's on this talk page. However, I've read enough to know that some of the people who want your block continued seem reasonable people. Strong advice: ignore the others. Try hard to "AGF", difficult though this may be; if you can't "AGF", remain silent.
I have good memories of working with you to improve articles (two or more years ago, I suppose), and hope to see you back doing more of what you're good at. Let's work toward this goal. -- Hoary (talk) 13:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I have not been using this page as a chat forum. I have been using it as a means to put forward points that are pertinent to my unblocking. Also to report a series of attacks of a very personal nature. One other thing this page is, is that it's a no-go zone for Off2riorob. You only come here to poke me and irritate me. Please leave and don't come back. Thank you. --WebHamster 16:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
My suggestion regarding the image editing was based on the fact you're not blocked at commons, where image work is done. You are blocked here, where textual work is done. Accordingly, I am concerned that if you make edit requests for text changes such requests could be interpreted as violating the intent or spirit of the block. I'm only pointing this out because I would regret it if my suggestion lead to you losing talk page access. Gerardw (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Having reviewed the discussion above and the ANI and your comments on this page, I'll make the following suggestions. These are only my opinions.
Who is this guy? I don't know him from Adam. As far as I'm aware I've never worked with him in any of my alter-egos. I've never spoken to him, I've never sworn at him. Yet this guy, who also says he doesn't know me, then goes on to give a psychological breakdown of what I will and won't do, who I'll fuck over given the chance, blah, blah blah.
Is it now okay to repeatedly make personal attacks and jibes about a user who is blocked?
I really don't know what I've done to deserve the vitriol and hyperbole this guy is spreading about me all over talk space. I get blocked for calling Jimbo a money manager and a programmer, yet MB seems free to say what he likes about someone he himself says he doesn't know. Is this institutional hypocrisy or merely his own? Paragraphs of ire spew forth from him about my lack of civility and use of the profane, yet simultaneously launching personal attacks which would have me blocked, banned and in a Siberian gulag.
Is someone going to have a quiet word with this guy to get him to shut it? --WebHamster 15:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks both, it looks like this plan of Gerardw's is off to a good start. --WebHamster 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
What is it with people? Any time a self-professed sock puppet shows up on Malleus' talk page it gets added to my SPI page. WTF? No, I'm not The Automatic Editor (talk · contribs). For a starter I'm in my 50s not my 40s and secondly I support MF's use of profane language. I certainly wouldn't show up on his page as a sock giving him a hard time about it. And thirdly I'm intent on getting my account back, which is why I intend to be sock puppet free for at least 6 months. There are times I've been tempted when I've seen bad edits or vandalism, but I didn't and I won't. So, please Nobody Ent (Gerardw) will you stop getting excited about nailing me to the wall. I haven't done anything wrong, so reel your dick back in and try to imagine that there are a lot more puppet masters out there in the world other than me. --WebHamster 22:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hey, I hope you get your block lifted eventually, you do some awesome work and it would be great to have you around the graphics lab again! Cheers, Fallschirmjäger ✉ 12:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey man, merry Christmas. =) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Apologies for it being Boxing Day before replying but a combination of being unwell and doing a head down category sorting session on Commons kept me away from en. so I didn't see your very kind salutations.
Firstly Malleus, yes I did see your message, many thanks for the well wishes and indeed for remembering that I exist :) A very splendiferously rambunctious Christmas and new Year to you and yours mate. Given all the work you've been doing here of late you need the rest, just think of your block as the week's leave the boss has forced on your because you're a workaholic. Then when you come back you'll be all refreshed and ready to go. Of all the people I know on WP you are by far the person most required on the project, both for content and to make sure the bent bastards don't take over the place.
To all the other people who have supported me, especially (in no particular order) PoD, Hoary, Nev1, Drmies, Black Kite, J3Mrs, Kiefer, Fallschirmjäger, PMC, Kintetsubuffalo, Fry and all the good folks at the Illustration Workshop I'd like to wish a very Merry Christmas (none of that Happy Holidays bollocks) and a Happy New Year. If I've forgotten anyone I apologise, I'm lousy at remembering names but with my recent little CVAs it's even worse.
That's enough of the frippery, back to work you wastrels, back to work! --WebHamster 08:30, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hope this beer finds you well, and vice versa of course. It's no abbey beer--the shipping is prohibitive. Drmies (talk) 23:58, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
Why thank you kind sir, I'm not sure what I've done to deserve it but I will accept it regardless. Unfortunately in real life I don't drink but I'm quite partial to a virtual brew! --WebHamster 22:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I wonder how blocked users like us could setup a new gb.wikipedia.org and if we did, does it have to maintain those bloody stupid shangri-la-like 5 Pillars? --WebHamster 00:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello WebHamster. You recently applied for a Wikimedia IRC cloak, but it looks like you forgot to register your nickname first. Could you please log on to IRC and do:
/msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email>
where <password> is a password of your choice and <email> is your e-mail address? After you do that, please follow the instructions that are e-mailed to you to confirm your e-mail address. When you're done with that, I just need you to confirm your cloak request:
/msg MemoServ send wmfgc IRC cloak request
After you finish all of that, I'd be happy to get you a cloak. :-) If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my Meta talk page. Barras talk 22:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
You said some time ago that you'd like to meet up for a beer sometime with some of the other Manchester editors. Any chance of you making it to the next meetup in Manchester on Feb 25th? Richerman (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Nobody Ent 23:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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Belle Vue Zoological Gardens was a large zoo, amusement park, exhibition hall complex and speedway stadium in Belle Vue, Manchester, England, opened in 1836. The brainchild of John Jennison, the park was intended to entertain the genteel middle classes, with formal gardens and dancing on open-air platforms during the summer, but they soon became one of the most popular attractions in Northern England. Jennison set out a small amusements area in Belle Vue during the 1870s, which was expanded in the early 20th century to become what was advertised as the "showground of the world". Popular rides included the 60 mph (97 km/h) Bobs roller coaster and the Scenic Railway. Grand firework displays were given from 1852 and there was an annual Christmas circus from 1922. The Kings Hall, opened in 1910, housed the Hallé Orchestra for several years and hosted concerts by artists such as Jimi Hendrix, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Leonard Cohen, Johnny Cash and Led Zeppelin. At its peak Belle Vue occupied 165 acres (0.67 km2) and attracted more than two million visitors a year. The zoo closed in September 1977 after its owners decided they could no longer afford annual losses of £100,000. (Full article...)
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Manchester music
Thank you, user just saying NO to political correctness, for your contributions to quality articles on Manchester and music, such as Belle Vue Zoological Gardens and Affinity, for updating lists of musicians and fighting vandalism, for free speech and "If you take 'civility' out of the equation then look how much work could be done." - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Six years ago, you were recipient no. 874 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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