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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XVIII (August 2007)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XVIII (August 2007)
Project news The fourth project coordinator elections have now concluded. Nine coordinators have been selected to serve for the next six months: Kirill Lokshin, Carom, FayssalF, LordAmeth, Kyriakos, TomStar81, Cla68, Eurocopter tigre, and Roger Davies. Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to all of the candidates who put themselves forward for this responsibility, and to the retiring coordinators for all of their efforts to improve the project! The contest department has completed another month of competition. The leader for this month, with 23 points, is Blnguyen; JKBrooks85 is in second place, with 17 points, and Carom is in third place, with 13 points. Carom is also the overall leader, with 45 points in total. All project members are encouraged to submit the articles they're working on as entries. The project's article tagging and assessment drivecontinues; project members are cordially invited to assist with this effort.		Articles of note New featured articles: Attack on Sydney Harbour Augustus Cædwalla of Wessex Confederate government of Kentucky Ine of Wessex Harry S. Truman Hispanic Americans in World War II Ironclad warship Pham Ngoc Thao Victoria Cross for New Zealand New featured lists Surviving veterans of World War I New A-Class articles: Battle of the Plains of Abraham Enfield revolver Fort Stanton (Washington, D.C.) Ho Chi Minh Campaign Jacques Le Gris Military of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Current proposals and discussions A set of flag icon usage guidelines has been proposed; discussion is ongoing. Potential guidelines on military unit notability are being discussed.	Awards and honors Wandalstouring was awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his long and dedicated service as a project coordinator and his many contributions to the structure and operations of the project.
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666 Satan Category Deletion

although i respect your consensus to delete the category i am a bit discouraged that it was never brought to my attention that the category was up for possible deletion... are these matters not ususally brought to the page creators attention, and if so why was i not informed.... just out of curiosity... thanks for your time, Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 17:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It's encouraged, and I personally think it's good form, but it's not compulsory. the wub "?!" 22:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

ya ik, i was just a little bit shocked when it came up on a 666 Satan page monitoring page i have set up sayin they were deleted and i wasn't even informed of the decision... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 23:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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I happily remember Eifion am sorry I never thought/got round to thanking him.Stdied under him c.1995 - 200? That's why I wrote up the wee note, I had hoped to praise him - but that is POV.Osborne 13:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? I'm not sure you've got the right talk page. the wub "?!" 13:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Oh noes! My membership was cancelled! That will teach me to not comply with choices. Also, learn to timestamp. the wub "?!" 23:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Alleged OBL bodyguards

Please reconsider your rename closure of this CFD. Closing with a rename to "alleged" opens up a Pandora's Box. Anyone who's arrested or even suspected of any crime anywhere in the world is subject to being added to an "alleged" category on the basis of the crime they're alleged to have commited. Anyone who's the subject of an allegation of any act by anyone is subject to being included. O. J. Simpson could be put into categories for alleged murderers, alleged armed robbers, alleged kidnappers, etc. on the basis of his legal history. George W. Bush is an alleged deserter. John Kerry is an alleged traitor. Larry Craig is an alleged homosexual. And so on, for every public figure on Wikipedia. Every one of these people has denied the allegations against them but the fact of the existence of the allegations means that per your decision here any allegation made, especially those made under color of government action, is suitable for categorization regardless of the truth or factual basis of the allegation. An article exists for alleged OBL bodyguards, Surely it's better for such allegations to be in an article where the allegations and the refutations of the allegations can be detailed and reliably sourced. Otto4711 19:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't do anything of the sort. I agree that "alleged" categories are generally a bad idea, but this was one specific and rather special case. The allegations in this category all come from a single source, the US govt., unlike the examples you presented. Whether you like it or not, this is a notable source. Perhaps it would be better named as "Category:Alleged bodyguards of Osama bin Laden according to the U.S. Government" (or whatever), but no one suggested this or similar, and it's unwieldy.

What's more the allegations are a defining characteristic for the article, after all if the US hadn't accused them and locked them up, then they most likely wouldn't have Wikipedia articles. (I'm not convinced they should have individual articles anyway, but consensus seems to be that they do, and I'm not wading into that mess).

The presence of the allegations is already reliably sourced within each article, so as I said I don't understand why you object so strongly to the category, yet support the (currently) less complete article Osama bin Laden bodyguard. the wub "?!" 23:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Above and beyond

Wow, I saw you made a little link back to my comments "above" (which were no longer above) when you relisted the Category:Disco Groups for further discussion at CfD. I think I have to call that diligence above and beyond the call of duty. Good show, man, thanks! Cheers, Xtifr _tälk 09:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem! the wub "?!" 23:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Darts of pleasure.jpg)

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Oh BcB, you always make me feel so special... the wub "?!" 23:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sexuality and gender

The bot doesn't seem to be deleting or archiving closed AfD discussions from Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sexuality and gender. Would you look into it please? — Becksguy 05:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it still works, I've just had some connection troubles so it hasn't been running on schedule recently. I'm hoping to make a few changes over the next few weeks. the wub "?!" 22:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Baba Saad

That information it is not cited. How can we know it's true or not?.--Tasc0 22:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Well we can't, and it would be better if it was cited. However it is an assertion of notability, and given that this has an article on the German Wikipedia (where they are more likely to know) as well as other languages, it is an indication that it's not entirely specious. This could still go to AfD though for discussion. the wub "?!" 22:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you think that proding the article may be ok?--Tasc0 23:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to improve it, he certainly appears notable. Annoyingly I can't find any archives of the German charts at all. the wub "?!" 10:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll just leave it. Thank you. Hey, do you mind taking a look to Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#213_.28group.29. These people are driving me crazy.--Tasc0 21:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Page Deletion

Dear the wub,

Please put my page back on WikiPedia. If you havn't noticed, I have been editing it and making it an artical worthy for an encyclopedia. I might have removed the tags that showed i'm working on it but i would really like it you put the artical back so i can finish editing it. Thanks and it you need to contact me, please use my user talk page. Thanks -mrchadsexington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrchadsexington (talk • contribs) 23:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia only accepts articles on people who reach a minimum standard of "notability" and have recieved attention from other (reliable) sources. Being a "world class Computer IT Guy" isn't enough, and sounds like promotion. If you have more evidence of notability, please let me know. the wub "?!" 09:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)