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I have pictures that I personally took of nearly every building on the Bellarmine University campus. I'm planning on massively expanding the Bellarmine University article content with info on the building histories, etc. I have a couple of questions:
You can upload as many as you like, as any extra can be placed in a gallery at the end of the article.
If you see significant use outside the Wikipedia, upload to Commons; otherwise, upload to en.
I would use a free license that maintains credit for yourself, such as GFDL or Creative Commons. If you have no issue with completely giving them away, then make them public domain.
Great, now I feel like I want to live there... 68.39.174.238 23:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Does our template for WikiProject Kentucky include a Cat class? Acdixon 16:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes. That's why I substituted it. I was going to leave a note in WP:KY, but you beat me to that by posting here. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the template indicate that items designated Cat class do not require a quality rating? I'd make it do that myself, but I'm not sure how. Acdixon 16:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Yep, the template needs some more surgery done on it, like I did for WP:Louisville. But I can't get to that until later today. Hope that's OK. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Completely fine with me; I appreciate the help. If I can do anything, let me know. Acdixon 16:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for the help on the template. Hope the assessment system will breathe some new life into the project. It's been kinda dead since you left! Acdixon 15:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Just now noticed that you are back with the project. Welcome back! Looking forward to working with you again. Acdixon 15:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some project templates support a flag for articles to be merged or articles needing attention. Do we have such a flag in our template? If so, we need to document it on the assessment page. Acdixon 16:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
In WikiProject Louisville, to handle these other parameters, as well as additional ways to flag articles that need attention, I created the "Articles Needing Attention" Department. You could pretty much copy it as-is to WikiProject Kentucky, changing 'Louisville' to 'Kentucky'. The only exception is that there's no todo list template or category specific to WikiProject Kentucky at this time. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
We have the relevant categories. I just need to know if adding 'attention=yes' and 'merge=yes' on the template will properly categorize the related article. Acdixon 17:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
It should. It can be tested by using "Show preview". Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Why didn't I think of that? LOL For the record, it works. Thanks again. Acdixon 19:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week#Wikipedia Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. Badbilltucker 15:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
noticed you came behind me to clean up what I left behind. My idea was to mark the park pages the accidents occured in as well as the individual ride page (if existed). Your thoughts on the perceived miscat? SpikeJones 19:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
It is a miscat because an amusement park is not an accident. It is an overcat because most/all amusement parks have accidents. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 19:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Reasonable answer. Thx. (while we're on the subject, how do you feel about subcategories of accidents, such as "Amusement park accidents|Disney" for display on that category page?)
Well, that kind of category sorting might confuse readers. I would say that if there were a good number of articles that would fall under Disney-related accidents, then create a subcategory and group them there. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 02:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I was going back to revert my edit after reading your comments, but you beat me to it. I was thinking we shouldn't mess with them until after the cfd is complete. If you plan on working on this grouping, alot of LST's are named for counties. The Navy named them for multiple counties if more than one existed. Doing the research I find some funny trends. All most all of the LST's named for WV counties are all in the former WV 2nd Congressional district. Somebody had some pull. --71Demon 17:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Pages are generally allowed to be edited during xfD periods. I only have an interest on where the Kentucky-related category is placed, as I'm a caretaker of the Kentucky category hierarchy. I'll let the other states handle their own versions of this category. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 17:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I knew they were allowed to be edited. Hopefully you have some Navy people to work on categorizing all the ships. --71Demon 22:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I will be more mindful in the future. I 'am also waiting for that varification email from that website you referred me to. Louisvillian 20:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
If you're the one who registered as "LouisvilleSlugger", the verification email bounced. Maybe it was a typo in the address you supplied. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 20:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
In a completely non-Wikipedia-related thought, I must say that I liked your suggestion for the whole 22nd Street naming issue that you proposed in last week's LEO. I thought it had just that right touch of humor, irony and wit.
Thanks. They almost never let me know when they're going to print my letters, although strangely enough, they print almost every one I send over. Anyway, I wonder if my "make-everyone-happy" solution will actually make most people enraged. Time will tell. :) Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 21:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
You should create a template for Louisville neighborhoods/ suburbs, like the one LA has —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.225.124.43 (talk • contribs)
I just asked FloNight to move List of famous Kentuckians to List of people from Kentucky (as suggested multiple times in the list's failed Featured List nomination), but she's reluctant to do so until we find out why it was moved from List of people from Kentucky to begin with. Looks like you were the one to create the redirect. What was the reason for that? Acdixon 14:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Personal preference at the time. But I have no issue with it being renamed back to what has become the (sterile) standard. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Why would Kentucky be different than all the other US states? Thanks Hmains 22:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
You have to clear any changes with WikiProject Kentucky. If you don't, I'm reverting every change you make. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 22:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see the WP definition of 'Settlements' (1) and the WP Category 'Settlements' and its sub-categories. 'Settlements' includes cities, towns, villages of any size or location and is the standard collective term for such human habitations. Thanks Hmains 01:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Then why weren't all states using this term as you claim? Massachusetts isn't, and Indiana wasn't until you just changed it today. Further, we're not in pioneer times. It's degrading to call contemporary cities 'settlements'. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 01:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
You can start by actually reading what I write and not asserting things I did not say. Next, please look at the 'Settlement' article, the 'Settlements' category, the 'Settlements by region' category, and the 'Settlements in the United States' category and not concentrate on what I created. All this existed prior to my work and I found these when I was looking for an appropriate collective WP term for human habitations. There is no indication whatsoever that 'settlements' is an archaic term applying only to the subset of human habitations that you have asserted. Thanks Hmains 18:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
My position is that it is not the best term. It connotes the wrong things. "Political subdivisions" or "Administrative divisions" makes more sense. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Just because that's the way it was going doesn't make it the best way to go. There's nothing wrong with wanting to use the best term for categorization. I disagree that "settlements" is the best term. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
These other terms imply something what is not legally or politically true in the case of most countries and certainly the United States. They are true only in a top-down state where such divisions are made at the state level for the convenience of the state and which cover all land area of the state. Example is 'county' in most of the United States states, which are legal creatures of the state, and cities, towns and villages are not. 'Settlement' is neutral and world wide--it just refers to where concentrations of people live and does not involve 'administration'. In any case, I did not invent this WP use; I am just using it. Hmains 18:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm willing to drop this as a dispute, but we need to open this up to the community-at-large and let them decide. I'm willing to accept a community decision, no matter what it is. I don't agree that 'settlement' is neutral in the respect that it connotes things that don't well apply to contemporary cities. I'm not married to any specific term, but we need to at least consider alternatives to 'settlement'. And if the community decides on something else, it wouldn't take much of an effort by a bot to change it over. I'd rather do this than submit these categories for renaming (which is something I can do if this isn't opened up). I don't want to make this a dispute, but rather a community conversation. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Fine, I am not working on WP to be involved in disputes/do not like them. I do not know, however, where, in WP, enough potentially interested parties will notice a discussion so they could think about it and comment on it. Thanks Hmains 18:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
You are in danger of violating the three-revert ruleon Louisville, Kentucky. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. Please call someone else in to help you stop vandalism. Hersfold 23:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The rule doesn't apply to reverting vandalism, or have the rules changed? Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 23:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't really see what the IP guy is doing is vandalism. His alternate spelling might be a little off, but it doesn't seem to be changing the pronunciation any, he's just adding an apostrophe. Just leave it for a day, and change it back when he's not logged in. What you're doing right now is getting ridiculous. Here, read this: 3RR and simple vandalismHersfold 23:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The guy is clearly playing games with us. This is his second IP in a short period, and he has been doing vandalism left and right. I slapped a fact tag on his change. I think that given you don't understand what's happened here, you need to back off calling my normal rvv's ridiculous. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 23:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
A fact tag is fine, it calls attention to the fact that his edit may be wrong, and it's not reverting back to what it was. Sorry if I offended with the "ridiculous" remark, that wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to keep the both of you from getting kicked out. Ok? Hersfold 23:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't apply to reverting vandalism. Please keep up and re-read the rules Hersofold. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I did: "it should be dealt with in the long term preferrably by switching to blocking of vandalistic editors". This stuff could have been avoided if this user was blocked from the get-go. Louisville is an FA article. It will be protected from vandals. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 00:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Guys, please keep up the good work, but do not be divided by the drive-by editors who do not care at all about our guidelines. I have semi-protected the article for the time being. Thanks/wangi 00:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Wangi. Stevie, yes, the user should have been blocked once it was clear he was going to start an edit war. So report him to the administrators! They can handle this sort of thing, as Wangi fortunately did. Please, let's end this argument, it's not getting us anywhere. Hersfold 00:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Where is a listing board for admins available to answer a call immediately to protect an article? And I mean, immediately. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 00:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism Ta-da! I reported a vandal there once, and an administrator had taken action on the page within half an hour. With as many admins as there are, you can probably expect action in about that time or less. Hersfold 00:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like it would have been too slow for this case, but I'll put the link on my user page for future use. Thank you. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 00:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, WP:AIV is good for the obvious cases (and I would normally slap a ban on that IP user if wasn't for the other chat on their talk page) or WP:ANI or the more complex cases/wangi 00:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
To clearify, I did report both IPs to WP:AIV. The first was blocked for three hours, the second was not ("not that much vandalism" was the reason given). Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
To add, after I made the mention of reporting, was when the second IP vandal began to 'constructively' edit the articles in an attempt to puff up his appearance as a legitimate editor. And it appearantly worked, unfortunately. At least the article is semi-protected, so the IP vandal can't edit. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Note one of the anon's "worthwhile" edits to Downtown Louisville. He changed "also called" to "also known as" so he could probably say "See, there's nothing you can challenge about this edit". I mean, this is clear-as-a-bell game playing here. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 03:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm so confused by all the recent edits. At least the IPuser is trying to be legitimate; better than a vandal. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 08:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for your help in preventing recent vandalism at Louisville, Kentucky and at other articles in the past. Your efforts are much appreciated! Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
was there something wrong with what I posted about the supposed hanging?
Why would some facts about the legends be excluded, yet the unfounded legends themselves are fair game? this just seems contradictory to me.
And I'm not attacking your actions, nor getting defensive. I'm trying to find out how things work in here since I'm new to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamky (talk • contribs)
I graduated from there so I have more right to make changes to it than you do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.149.248.165 (talk) 15:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
What is your problem with my Collegiate edits? I graduated from there, you did not. What I am writing is fact. Leave it up there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.149.248.165 (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Hey there. I recently had some problems with this editor also, and I have gone and filed an WP:ANI about him.:: Colin Keigher(Talk) 19:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll join in. He is persistently libeling Muhammad Ali, and won't explain his actions. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 19:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Sockpuppets filed at WP:SSP. See the case here. Please contribute to that if you can! Thanks Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I was given a media pass to photograph and document the Muhammad Ali Center a few days ago. My question is, my Towns & Cities guide at American Byways (under Museum Row) will contain this and the Arts and Crafts museum. Should I pass along one or two exhibit photographs?
The media kit contained information about the building itself, along with information regarding the plaza and a map. I'll try to scan that in at work Monday and add it to the article, along with more information. Cheers, Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If you can navigate the copyright issues that go with uploading these images, and comply with Wikipedia requirements, it sounds like a great addition. I'm not sure I fully understand the question you're asking, but with galleries, there's not really a limit as to how many pictures can go in the article. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 05:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I see you were asking about semi-protection on Lewis and Clark Expedition. If you go to the log for that article, you will see that the protection that was put in on the 24th was only for 24 hours, but the {{semiprotected}} tag was not removed then. As you can see, I sprotected for another 24 hours. Do you think it needs more? --rogerd 04:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I was just confused about it not working. The article could probably use a few more days protection, as a way of encouraging the vandals to move on to other activities. This has been an article that has acted like a magnet for the vandals, and I'd like for them to see we mean business. Thanks for your response. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 05:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I am still bummed that you don't have the mop yourself. I hope to try to help you get it sometime soon. --rogerd 11:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll put it on my to do list. It won't be hard at all. While I'm at it, I'll run through all the project categories again (it's actually easier than just picking a category or two), so I may find a few new articles for you as well. I'm right in the middle of a huge tagging effort (Baseball, with 3700 more articles to tag), so I'm not sure when I'll get to it. I'll leave you a message when it's done though. Ingrid 01:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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when tried to register on your site they said my email address was already taken —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.200.135 (talk • contribs)
Do you mean my discussion board? If so, I virtually don't support AOL addresses as AOL plays games with their e-mail. If any emails get through, it's a miracle. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 03:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Soldan and I are just about finished rating WikiProject Kentucky articles by class, but neither of us knows exactly how to rate the lists. What's your suggestion? Are they non-article until such time as they make Featured list? What do you guys do over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisville? Maybe copy your suggestions on Soldan's talk page as I'm about to embark on an 8-hour drive for a business trip to Mansfield, Ohio in about half an hour and won't be able to do anything about it anyway. Thanks as always. Acdixon 17:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Pardon me for asking, but is there a reason you have a link to an indefinitely banned spammer's business (centiare.com) on your user page? --Calton | Talk 08:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I did not know this wiki was linked to a specific Wikipedian. How was I supposed to know? I found out about the site outside of Wikipedia. I just think it is an interesting wiki. Besides, Wikipedia puts nofollow on links. And it's not prominent on the page. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 14:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I reviewed much of the user talk about this user. I do find that his behavior in here was questionable, and he was indefinitely banned for it. However, his follow-on project Centiare appears to be a legitimate free directory that doesn't have anything to do with what MyWikiBiz was doing. I think it is an interesting example of a wiki, and just because he angered some here doesn't mean Centiare isn't interesting. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Note there is no official method for citing sources, per WP:CITE. There are numerous options available, including embedded citations, full citations, Harvard referencing, citation templates (what you suggest) and footnotes. Your assertion that they must be used goes against the grain per WP:CITE, as they are not required per policy. "They may be used at the discretion of individual editors, subject to agreement with the other editors on the article. Some editors find them helpful, while other editors find them annoying, particularly when used inline in the text. Because they are optional, editors should not change articles from one style to the other without consensus."
Let's come to a consensus first before changing reference styles. It adds a considerable amount of text and space that is wasted. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 16:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't say they are required. They are a much cleaner way of providing references. We'll have to disagree on this one. The "wasted space" is of no concern to me. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if you don't want to play by the policies at WP:CITET. Too bad they are well defined. You have an equal chance to achieve consensus and debate. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 17:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what is making you act this way all of a sudden, but it reflects much more on you than on me. Why all the nastiness and threats? Why the lack of reasonableness? It's shameful that you had to end our good working relationship this way. Goodbye. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 17:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
As I said before, you did not gather consensus per WP:CITET nor took up my suggestion for a request for comments. Had you done that instead of reverting, or at least left a message for debate, this could have been avoided. Seeing that you are currently listed at 3RR, I did not want this to escalate to another possible violation (although I agree that your 3RR with AnimeSouth was improperly filed since her edits were purely vandalism). Seicer (talk) (contribs) 17:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Go have fun with the article you now own. I took it off my watchlist. I don't care about that shitty plaza any more. It looks like shit anyway. You already done the damage, now go. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 17:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Heated arguments get you nowhere. You still haven't answered my questions: Why did you violate WP:CITET then try to shift the blame on me? Why did you not request comments at WP:RFC? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 17:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Stop wasting my time. I'm not responding to anything regarding this matter any more. I am convinced you are not acting in good faith. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 17:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, after calming down, I can't let this go, as there are baseless accusations here. One cannot "violate" a guideline; this only applies to policies. The blame is yours because you acted in a nasty and threatening manner toward me and inexplicably insisted upon dirty references, that is, references that have their own 'Seicer' style, when they could instead follow the traditional model as enforced by the cite templates. If you were acting within reason, you would have at least agreed to reformat the references in the way the templates would create. Instead, you attack and threaten me, and defend the indefensible.
Further, going to WP:RFC would be an extreme response, and I don't do extreme responses after a "1-revert edit war" as you seem to think it was. I would prefer that you stop acting like you ownLouisville Museum Plaza and at least agree to format the references properly, even if the templates aren't used. If you can't acknowledge that your reference formatting style is untraditional, then that is a sign of acting in bad faith, as the formats are obviously out of whack.
Again, I'm sorry that you have decided that working with me is no longer of interest to you. Calling one revert an "edit war" and calling me a "violator" and insisting I take an extreme route over a minor matter indicates there are some issues going on, and frankly, I don't have to deal with nonsense like that. My time is too valuable for that.Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 19:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm going on a "partial wikibreak" for the forseeable future so I can put more time into other projects. That means I will just do two check-in's a day to review and respond to changes in my watchlist and talk page. I have to be honest and say I won't be able to participate in any major efforts or discussions during this time. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 21:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Since you deal much more with the category hierarchy of Kentucky than I, I wanted to make you aware that I created a new one: Category:Caves of Kentucky. I think it's done right, but I just thought I'd let you know so you could double-check. I based it on the existing category Category:Caves of Wisconsin. Acdixon 16:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Well Steve neither poll presented specify's as to what region of whatever state identifies with whatever region. I think that the assumption that the people in Northern ky are the 20% is flase. I think think that the Eastern Kentuckians are a signifigant amount of that percentage as that region is Appalachia and is similar to West Virginia. As it is similar to West Virginia opinions on regional identity may may be refelcted across state lines as West Virginia was a state in which less than half of it's residents identified with the South in both questions. The 20% is signifigant and I have addressed that in the Southern talk page, however Gator for some odd reason tries to ignore the 80% of the population who identifies with the South, or he tends to over assert the minority. Again I have always acknowledged Kentucky is a mixed state, however the stance that I have proven is that it's more Southern than Midwestern. Louisvillian 20:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I tagged the Louisville images for you a week or so ago, and I think I forgot to let you know. Ingrid 02:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the unemployed vandal has been causing a lot of havoc. I found out his name, homepage, and email, in addition to his school. I would like to help wikipedia pursue legal action against this individual.
Aliases: Unemployed, living in a basement, louisville vandal, jbm, Brando03
Name: Jeffrey B. Morris
Email: jbmorr03@louisville.edu
Website: http://louisville.edu/~jbmorr03/
Y did u add a Louisville KT stub to Larry Birkhead's page? Was he born there? Raised there? Lived there? If he is from KT, please add more info. LB has been in the media since september after Danilyn was born, but only recently did he get a wiki page. Thx. comment by 208.58.196.156 09:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
News programs in Louisville have called Birkhead a "Louisville native". I will try to find a reference. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your move of "Kentucky Theatre" to Kentucky Theater (Lexington)...are you sure it's spelled like the one in Louisville? The KT's own website spells it "Theatre". - Draeco 21:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I think I did this years ago, and I wouldn't have done this without researching that the name was correct. As you state, the theater's website URL spells it "theater", and that's what I went off of apparently. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the comments and support. When it comes to editing Wikipedia, I generally only do "bits and pieces" here and there, but I was sort of surprised at some of the American geographical stuff. I didn't intend on ending up in a multi-month heated discussion on these subjects, but looking over the edit histories on several pages, it's kind of clear to me what's going on here with this one editor.
--Gator87 04:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Rfc1394 has done an awesome job using templates to shrink the size (in K) of List of counties in Kentucky. The template he used creates an external link to census data for each county. With this in mind, do you think it would be acceptable to drop the table of census data and add verbiage letting readers know that current census data is available via those external links? I think the list stands a better chance in a featured list review with just the one table. What do you think? Acdixon 15:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I was told the go on the article page itself. Betacommand(talk • contribs • Bot) 15:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up the dead link situation on the Interstate 264 article - I wasn't confident about removing them, but have since read more at WP:EL. I like your 'approach to editing', BTW. - Special-T 13:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Stevie, I am apologizing for the comments directed towards you at Talk:Louisville Museum Plaza regarding the WP:3RR incident. It was over-the-line for me and was something that should not have been brought up; it only inflamed matters, especially one as trivial as that. I hope this has not caused an irreparable rift as I still consider you to be a great editor and hope that we can mend fences and work together to bring a stronger resolve to Wikipedia. Cheers, Seicer (talk) (contribs) 20:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
It's water under the bridge. I have no issue with us working together on things. I guess we can both work harder to try to understand each other's point of view, especially on trivial matters. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 01:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys - Henry Kissinger once said: "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small". I guess the same can be said about wikipedia. --rogerd 02:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL are you serious, the input of another forumer bringing in more information is exactly why Gator ended his 2-1 (you and him) concensus crap. Then at least the person in my corner actually gave useful information, rather than spouting "well I's a born and bred Louisvillian, and I's say Louisville is the Midwest" he brought facts for all sector of the debate ranging from History to modern day culture and demographics. So just to silence you in the subject I posted a few responses from the 2 threads on the Skyscrapercity forums pertaining to the subject, clearly showing a good 90-95% of people who responded viewed Louisville as more Southern than Midwestern (while acknowledging that it's a mixed city). Now before you respond with the typical "I" think Louisville is 100% Southern BS, let me first say that it has a good amount of Midwestern influence, But at the same time the Southern Influence is more prominent . 74.128.200.135 03:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Haven't you learned "wiki ways" by now? You do realize that you are to add new headings for new discussions, right? Knowing your activities here, I will assume this is just plain disrespect.
Further, I have come to the conclusion that you could not possibly be from Louisville. In reality, you are just continuing to be argumentative over something that is widely settled in the Louisville community. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Steven putting my hand on the Holy Bible I'am a born and bred Louisvillian, I'am amember of Bethel Baptist chruch. I grew up in the West End, (I'm black). As far as the community concensus that we are Midwestern,UHHHH NO. I have heard of no such thing. Not to beat a dead horse or anything, But the state of Kentucky did have over 3/4's of it's residence Identify with the South, and Louisville being in Kentucky is shouldn't differientiate that much (aside from it being a major city). Louisvillian 17:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
As most Kentuckians I've ever talked to would attest, Louisville is very much separate from the culture and politics of the state. If we are to discuss this, let's at least agree on that. Conflating Louisville with Kentucky would be incongruent to most Kentuckians. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
???? I mean what are you trying to prove with this arugument? That for some strange reason Louisville is just not Kentucky?? I mean it's nothing more than a futile desperate attempt by yourself to dissconnect Louisville from it's Southern roots. I will however agree that Louisville (one of the nations largest urban areas) is refreshingly different from the rural atmostphere of most of Kentucky. Not going as far as saying there is no cultural or historical distinction between the city and state. BTW arguments like the one you are presenting can't really be disproven by anyone, simply because you're just spouting off at the mouth presenting your opinion as fact, and making such claims (as the disowning of Louisville from Kentuckians) without any source, Data, or whatever else you'll need to prove it. Louisvillian 04:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
BTW on your little "Louisville is apart of the Midwest rustbelt" argument here's an excellent source that ranks Rustbelt cities by their populatiuon decline and ironically Birmingham ends the list off, while there is no Louisville in sight LOL. I would however guess that Louisville is immediately following this ALABAMA CITY! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/B2.jpgLouisvillian 00:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
My non-response is due to me being too busy with other projects. Sorry. I don't have the time to argue about these matters at this time. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 05:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Take your time Steve Louisvillian 23:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Pertaining to Waverly Hills Sanatorium, does a misspelling on a death certificate constitute enough to say that "Waverly Hills was once spelled as..."? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't answer this earlier because I don't know what to make of this. I would _guess_ that the answer is no. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 05:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I am pleased to announce that as of this instant, all Louisville-related articles have been assessed. I did sort of a shotgun triage on the 150 or so that were left, but it's at least a starting point. Now you can take that annoying announcement off the project member banners:-).
Just ran across this orphaned article and couldn't quite figure out what the subject is exactly. It's associated with the University of Louisville, but not categorized for WP:Louisville. I thought I'd call it to your attention since you probably know more about it than me and can categorize, expand, link to, merge, delete, or whatever else needs to be done with it. Acdixon 15:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a program at U of L that is focused on politics. I just categorized it for "University of Louisville", which should be good enough. Thanks for letting me know about it. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 17:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I just made two edits to Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisville/HallOfFame which I'd like you to review at some point... well the DYK ones at least. Not sure if such things were intended to be on that page. Thanks. --W.marsh 21:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
It's all right by me. Thanks for letting me know about it. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 03:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The blog source that you keep deleting is Blog Potato. He is in Kentucky currently covering the race. He is an active and recognized member of the horse racing community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.12.134.154 (talk • contribs) 21:10, May 5, 2007 (UTC)
I will reply in Stevietheman's absence. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability: Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources. --rogerd 03:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to make sure you knew of the new Louisville Template.--Bedford 21:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I was browsing the "People from Kentucky" category today and noticed we have a sub-category for "Major league players from Kentucky" but not for any other sport. What do you think about creating a category for "Sportspeople from Kentucky" and then have all the major sports under it? I dread the thought of refining the categories, but it makes sense that we should do this. Acdixon 13:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I like that idea. Also have a subcategory "Sportspeople from Louisville, Kentucky" so that "Sportspeople from Kentucky" doesn't get too large. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I created both of these categories, and started adding some subcats to Sportspeople from Kentucky. It's gonna be a pain to get them populated, though. Acdixon 19:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't we just do "Sportspeople from Louisville" instead of "Sportspeople from Louisville, Kentucky". It's not like there is more than one notable Louisville, and it keeps the top of the page from being crowded with categories.--Bedford 19:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Bedford, I tend to agree with you, but I think the trend as of late is to have city and state in the category name. Either way is all right with me, as it can always be changed. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 22:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Re edit summary of : This was debated at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Durin and fair use image removals with the conclusion that the manner in which I am doing this is proper. Anger is inappropriate. If you're perturbed at this action, you should direct your efforts to change this to the person who placed the fair use image on the template, not me. Thank you, --Durin 14:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Your lack of courtesy is astounding. For you, and this is rare: Talk to my hand. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 18:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Just read WP:FUC, and realize this is what needs to be done. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 19:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
There's no cause for you to be so grossly uncivil. I was informing you this had already been discussed and the conclusion was that I was doing it properly. The issue isn't the removal; the issue is the original placement of the seal of Louisville on the template. You're angry with me, but not with the person who put it there in the first place. --Durin 19:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I have no issue with its original placement. The fair use rules in this kind of case go far beyond common sense. I am 100% unwilling to cede this. So, you may as well move on. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 21:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Uh, the image in question claims to be public domain. Wouldn't that make eliminate any need to remove it for being a fair use image? --W.marsh 23:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Methinks they are referring to the Seal of Louisville image, which should be fair use for anything associated with Louisville in common-sense land, but in the exceedingly strict fair use approach that's now tearing Wikipedia apart, apparently not. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 01:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The policy regarding fair use usage has been policy for quite some time. It's not new. In fact, it's more than a year and a half old. It's not tearing Wikipedia apart. If it was, Wikipedia would have collapsed a long time ago. If you're not willing to "cede this" and in fact are willing to act in violation of this policy, that's your call, but I'm sure you understand the consequences. If you do not like the policies on this, I recommend you take it up with the Wikimedia Foundation as they are the ones who established it. They further supported it with this recent resolution. --Durin 02:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Stevie never said he was going to violate the policy! He obviously disagrees with it, but he has shown that he lives within the rules by adding a PD image to the template in question. That is not a very civil way to address a contributor like Stevie who has no history of violating the rules. --rogerd 02:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Roger is right. I meant I would never cede the argument. Obviously, while fair use policy remains outside the realm of common sense, and since I do follow policy, as stupid as this particular implementation is, Durin will have no reason to be heavy-handed with me. But something makes me wonder if he relishes that opportunity. He already crashed my admin nom a while back over this same kind of nonsense. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 04:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Well if the image is truly public domain it can't become copyrighted in some situations... so it's not even fair use in the first place. Before hand-wringing about fair use image usage on a template, Durin needs to change this from a public domain license to whatever he thinks it is. Because as it is, Stevie is in the right but not for the reason he's arguing. --W.marsh 02:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
A seal for a city should be usable generally with anything that is distinctly related to that city. That would seem like a fair use, or at the very least, it's a common-sense use. Wikipedia should provide for this. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 04:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
W.marsh, what you're arguing about is the wrong image. You are discussing, twice now, Image:Fleur-de-lis-3d.png which is extant without problems on the template in question. The image being discussed is Image:Lousiville Seal.gif.
rogerd; no heavy handedness is intended. Stevie voiced a position in opposition to the policy. I noted that should he extend this into actively violating it, that I was sure he was aware of the consequences of it. Further, that if he wanted to contest the policy he should address the Wikimedia Foundation, and lastly that his anger was entirely misplaced. Apparently attempting to focus Stevie's wrath in appropriate directions is uncivil behavior? I'm sorry, but I do not see that conclusion.
Stevie, I'm sorry you blame me for the failure of your RfA. More appropriate would have been to be introspective about why the opposition was sufficient for it to fail; i.e., how your actions resulted in the opposition. I didn't create the problematic situation. I'm sorry this is still bothersome to you, nearly a year later. I barely even remembered you, and had to pull up the RfA to find out why I opposed. It's old news. I would have thought you would have moved past that by now. Regardless, if you simply dislike the policy but are willing to work within it, that's fine. I would again encourage you to direct your opposition to the group that can actually do something about the policy; the foundation. I am simply exercising the policy. --Durin 13:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a lot to dispute in what you just said, since, as usual, you take everything in a manner that's not meant. The bottom line for me is that I'm glad you saved me from taking an unpaid job that would distract me from what I would like to accomplish in the Wikipedia. I'm not really upset that I didn't become an admin, but still, your objection at that time was nonsensical and is forever nonsensical, as if I don't have the right to dispute the actions of others. Your total lack of courtesy on some of these image removals is indefensible, no matter what you say. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 14:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
If you find that to be the case, I am sure you would have a very strong case to have me banned or some other formal action. I would encourage you to seek out such resolution. Since an RfC was already filed regarding this overall pattern of edits, you might consider filing a Wikipedia:Requests for mediation. Certainly a "total lack of courtesy" is grounds for blocking me, or in continued blatant cases even banning from the project. Since I've been doing this for over a year now, I'm sure there's plenty of evidence to have me banned from the project. If you would like assistance in filing the request for mediation, I'd be happy to help you. --Durin 15:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I started an article for 8664.org, and someone with little to live for slapped it with a delete tag less than a minute after I made my first entry. Anything you can add would help, preferably sources with no ties to 8664 itself.--Bedford 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Just started making changes. Thanks for letting me know about it. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 21:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know I created the Louisville Portal. It's rough, but I think I have something decent going.--Bedford 03:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow! You are one busy beaver! And you did such a great job! Lemme find an award for yas. :) Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 04:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
More like a busy penguin.:) I actually based it on Dallas' portal. Thanks for the reward.--Bedford 05:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Great article. I'm doing some research on that stuff, too. How can I get in touch with you to ask you some questions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.91.37.33 (talk • contribs)
Are you referring to Theatres of Louisville? If so, W.marsh is our resident expert on that subject. I'm sure he would do a much better job than me with answering your questions. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 14:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, can you come up with a good fair use rationale for this picture- ? You're a lot better at this kind of thing than me. Thanks, Jcembree 22:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
If that image was published before 1923, it could be tagged as public domain. Also, if one takes a photo of the building, it could be donated to the Wikipedia. I think fair use can work only if the image in question is under copyright, it ties in directly with the article subject, and no replacement is reasonably within reach. If it's not under copyright any longer, then fair use is moot, and it was merely mistagged in the first place. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 03:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it is a copy of an engraving made in 1871, but published in 1992 in this bookJcembree 04:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
If the book attributes a pre-1923 publication of that engraving (that is, it's a copy of that image from that work), it's public domain, and it remains so even if you copy it from the 1992 book. But I'm not a lawyer, so it's possible I could be wrong -- but that's my understanding. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 04:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I know you're on wikibreak at the moment, but I need to ask a favor. The article on William Goebel that I spent a couple of months overhauling is getting hammered in FAR. It's my first-ever FAR, and I'm getting overwhelmed. Tony1 suggests "fresh eyes are required" to fix a purported multitude of problems in the prose. Could you look over the article and see if you can identify and/or correct problem areas? Thanks. Acdixon 13:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I attempted to cite sources and do major revisions to Louisville waterfront arena. I won't be editing it again until tomorrow afternoon, but if you want to wiggle what is revised, it would be appreciated. I plan on revising and citing sources, and possibly restructuring the article based on other conventions -- I'm unsure if the current setup is correct or not. Cheers, Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Still feeling out the finer points. Will research archiving vs deleting on my talk page. Thanks M-BMor 21:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh and is there a page somewhere that shows how to archive?
Basic archiving is pretty simple. Just create a subpage off your talk (see my archives as an example). Then just do a cut and paste of the talk from your talk page to the new subpage. Last, be sure to link to it from your talk page. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 02:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Your edits, along with those by Bedford and Quadell, probably saved my recent (finally successful) nom of William Goebel for FA. This made me realize the need for a peer review section of WikiProject Kentucky. Problem is, most of the experienced editors are part of WikiProject Louisville, but not necessarily WikiProject Kentucky. What if we created a peer review section for WikiProject Kentucky and its descendant projects in one place? I think the traffic would be light enough for WikiProjects Kentucky, Louisville, Bluegrass Region, and KYOVA Region to share the space, and we could combine the editorial prowess of all those projects. Of course, you might want to work out a similar arrangement with WikiProject Indiana so that Louisville articles about subjects north of the Ohio go there, while those south of it come to us. Thoughts? Acdixon 17:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad my very minor edits helped on William Goebel. I certainly appreciate what you're trying to do with peer review, but I guess I see different problem and solution sets. Neither of our projects have been as good as we could be about fostering communication and coordinating work, and this includes parent-child communication. This is why I just started a brainstorming discussion in WikiProject Louisville's talk, to see what we can do to improve these matters. We need broader participation and an improved concentration on top project efforts. This, I think, will help out in times when we need to concentrate on articles up for FA. Perhaps you could leave some ideas on how WPLou and WPKY can better communicate/coordinate? Or start a similar discussion in WPKY? I just don't want to jump to conclusions about the best way to go before getting the input of a lot more people. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 17:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
One of our main issues at WPKY seems to be a lot of turnover. We see users get really involved for a few weeks or months, then they disappear. (see Soldan) The ones that do stay active either don't watch or don't comment on the project's talk page. It's difficult to coordinate any kind of effort under those conditions. Perhaps I'll weigh in on your WPLou discussion. Thanks for the tip. Acdixon 17:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks for reformatting the link to a interwiki link. I'm new and didn't know to do that.Bob98133 15:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
No problem. And thank you for setting me straight on the meaning of wick. I learned something new today.:) Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Stevie, just wanted you to know I left answers to your questions on Lionel Hampton's talk page. Let me know what you think of removing the article from the Louisville Project. (Mind meal 23:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
If this article is de-listed from WPLou, please let me know so I can remove him from List of people from Kentucky. Thanks. Acdixon 14:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
There's currently nothing definitive one way or the other about where Hampton was born. Lots of sources, including Encyclopedia Britannica say his birthplace is Louisville, and I don't see much of a weight against that at this point, unless one gives reported conjecture a lot of weight. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Stevie,
I am working on an extended history for the University of Louisville. I would greatly appreciate it if you read over it before I posted it. (Annie Catron 18:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC))
Thanks for asking. I should have some time this weekend to look it over. Do you have a link to it? Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 02:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I did not get a chance to finish the extended history this weekend, but I hope to have it done next weekend. Also, you where right about the Kersey library, however they are still going to use the building. It will be converted into classrooms for the Speed school. (Annie Catron 13:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC))
Just thought we needed to keep up with the Buckeyes:) Campaigner444 01:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the POV attacks by our friendly IP vandal, I pushed for action at WP:AIV. Your comments (if it is there later) is requested. I discovered that he is now using a second IP address, so hopefully his new edits will continue to be the same. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the article should not have been renamed without a good discussion and a lot of revision history was lost. I was the orginal editor to start the article when it was named "Sue Munday" because the source I used was written with that spelling variation. I have seen the spelling both ways. I have had an interest in this person for many years because he travelled in the part of Kentucky where my ancestors lived and may have visited them according to family lore. Any idea on how to restore the article name? Mfields1 00:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
An admin could be asked to handle it. However, I think we might want to have a discussion in the article's talk before making another change. I'm not sure myself which spelling should be preeminent. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 00:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
For Kentucky Country Day School, you're a bit too hyper on deleting valid information.
Visit http://www.kmialumni.org/famous.html for one source. KMI morphed into KCD, and many KMI alums are the biggest donors to KCD. I listed that link as a source. But you didn't follow through. John Y Brown Jr, Jim Backus, and Fred Willard are listed here. Please stop deleting names when real sources are provided. You are really ticking a lot of people off.
I attended KCD with Catherine McCord, Jaleel Bunton and Stu Pollard... do you want me to fax you yearbook pages?? Post your fax #.
I had Charles Brewer speak at my graduation. Again, I'll fax you the program. Post your fax #. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.234.84 (talk • contribs)
I am committed to an encyclopedia with backup for the information in articles. The article will be fixed in due time. I am not concerned about "ticking a lot of people off". Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Further, KCD database doesn't list Bunton, and he doesn't look very notable. I reverted a lot of your entries because you didn't provide any backup at the time you added them. Telling me now, and then yelling at me for not reading your mind is kind of silly. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The Bluegrass Barnstar
I hereby award you with this bluegrass barnstar for your invaluable work to improve articles for the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Keep up the outstanding work! -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 17:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Right now, I'm working on the Louisville template. I am currently through the J's. If could wait about 20 minutes before editing this page again, I should have it done and then it can be cleaned up later. Thanks, Angry Aspie 21:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I can't get the direction template to work on the Kosmosdale page. Angry Aspie 16:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The template is ok. It's just that the Ohio River link needed an extra square bracket on the right. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 16:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch. Angry Aspie 16:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking, does it make sense to put all those tiny hamlets on the template, when practically speaking, they don't exist? For example, places like Bethany, Valley Gardens, Greenwood, Orell etc are included in the Valley Station CDP. The residents of those places consider themselves part of the larger suburb. Places such as Riverside Gardens which are small but do have their own identity are to me a different case and worthy of listing.
I don't want to be an exclusionist, but it is basically impossible to find any useful information out about these places because they aren't even a CDP. I can give you a short list places I feel meet these criteria, and then people could discuss it. Angry Aspie 02:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I thought that content was a bit out of place, but not totally off the mark, so I rewrote it to sound a bit better. Maybe it would fit under Controversies since it's basically another problem some people have with KFC. What so you think? Bob98133 15:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, maybe it can be a blurb under Controversies, but on the other hand, this would seem to be a common complaint against a vast number of companies, and I've never heard of the organization lodging the complaint. It just feels like a stretch. Stevie is the man!Talk•Work 15:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I kind of agree. Maybe whoever posted it will want to put it back. Otherwise, I'll just let it be. Thanks. Bob98133 18:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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