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Question on remix title formatting

Hi, Ss112. Sorry to both you again, but I've learned a lot from your edits and asking you questions. Do you know if it's preferred to write the title of a remix like "Song Title (Name of Remix)" or "Song Title" (Name of Remix), the difference being the placement of the close quote? I've seen both used on different featured album articles, and I can't find anything in manuals of style. Anyway, thanks in advance. CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 00:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@CelestialWeevil: It's mostly a matter of personal choice. Personally, I prefer "Song Title" (Name of Remix) as generally, the remix is a note of a version of that song and not the actual title. The song's name is "Song Title" and what's in parentheses is a note. Same with "Song Title" (acoustic version) or whether it's live, a demo, etc. Ss112 00:36, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music/Archive 8#RfC: Descriptive phrases and song titles is probably relevant. (I've also just noticed that no one actually edited the guidelines to reflect this, so maybe that should be done...?) Jc86035 (talk) 18:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Source stating it.

I know you said you were done discussing that but I hope that what I do now is okay. While the article does not state it, I wonder, if Cher's Billboard chart history (of course the lne published by billboard) is enough of a source for the claim. When going through her history on album charts, no number one position can be found on any chart.

If that is not enough, then no problem. TioTayumi (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@TioTayumi: The issue I have with that is that Billboard also publishes things like the "German Albums Chart", where they measure the sales of albums and songs in other countries. Most of these are relegated to being published on billboard.com/biz, but technically if Cher's even had one album reach the top on any of those lesser-known charts for other countries' sales, she's had a number-one album on a Billboard chart. There's 185 pages of results if you want to check: Ss112 21:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand. My claim came from checking this: https://www.billboard.com/music/cher/chart-history/hot-100 (after selecting and going through everything of course) but I guess since you gave me the other link, I guess the one I just handed is not enough. I might check your link over the course if time but unless the one I gave is enough, I completely understand it and will leave it with "on that chart". — Preceding unsigned comment added by TioTayumi (talk • contribs) 21:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Billboard.biz

Hi Ss112, do you have access to Billboard.biz by any chance? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:57, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Hey, unfortunately I don't. Are you sure whatever you want to look for isn't accessible through the home page by clicking on the "Charts" tab and searching? I think most Billboard.biz data is accessible through that method, although it's very disorganised and a pain to get through for artists with long histories. Ss112 11:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I was searching for "Shallow" on the Luxembourg and Portugal charts, but the search did not return anything. No problem thanks for your response :) —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Ss112, do you know how to find out the direct link to the Swedish Compilation chart like how you added for "Shallow"? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:13, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: I suppose there is a way to find the link (maybe in the page source?), but I don't know it. Sorry! Ss112 15:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

I gifted you a barnstar two years ago, and I'm quite sure you're due for another. We haven't always agreed, and sometimes we step on each others' toes, but please know how much I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia. I see you on my watchlist all the time, which makes you a truly tireless contributor. You've earned this recognition, and I hope you continue editing for a long time. Keep up the amazing work, and thanks again! --Another Believer (Talk) 14:18, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Thanks! Ss112 15:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Gaon Chart Sourcing

Hello
I hope you'll be able to help me, as you're familiar with Gaon Chart.
Recently i wanted to add sales data from the foreign album chart for Adele's album "25", as over the last 3.5years it has accumulated close to 30k sales (which, in my opinion, is decent enough number). But my edit was reverted listing WP:SYNTH as reason by IndianBio. I did not aggree and tried to discuss it with him on his talk page User_talk:IndianBio#Sales data, but we have come to a stalemate and 3rd party opinion is needed.
As you have been an editor much longer than i, i hoped you could help with opinion, and maybe suggest more editors who work with Music Articles who could give their opinions on this as well.
It's quite a shame to dismiss legitimate sales data only because there isn't a fancy article written, or that there is no cumulative (past yearly) overall sales chart. Kleool (talk) 09:04, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Kleool: I don't really know much about Gaon's sales, as I never added much of them before they got rid of the weekly sales amounts they displayed. Maybe propose it at Talk:25 (Adele album), as a user's talk page isn't the place to get consensus. In addition, you can post a notice at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums asking for editors to contribute, even if they don't know much about Gaon. Hope that helps. Ss112 00:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Writing in Talk:25 (Adele album) would be a bit too focused, as the problem itself isn't with album but how the editor is against using several year summed sales from the chart. I'll try the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. Hopefully someone answers. Have a nice day. Kleool (talk) 07:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Help!

Hi, could you please help me with the article for Rossendale United F.C.? Best, JV5, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 23:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@Joe Vitale 5: Hey, was there anything in particular you wanted me to help with? I don't know much about football/soccer myself, so I don't think I'd really be able to contribute much in the way of content. Ss112 00:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Maybe just a little copyediting here, and there, and some help with references, I'm not sure. I want to add more to the main body of text at the start of the article but I wouldn't even know where to start! Ahah. Best, JV5, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Joe Vitale 5. Your best bet is to drop a line on the talk page at WP:FOOTY. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:05, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

List of music considered the worst

I stumbled on this via RfPP and it looks pretty dreadful in its own right. What do you think? -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:29, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: It looks like it's already been nominated for deletion five times over the years, and four of those times the consensus has been to keep it. I do agree with the tagged assessment that it's a subjective list and doesn't even attempt to be exhaustive (over the years I'm sure there's been far more than what is listed there that's been called "the worst"), but I think if it were nominated again it would be a similar outcome of editors defending it for the sources it does have, so to bother seems like a waste of time. Ss112 02:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Sigh... -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Accidental revert

Sorry for that. I was on mobile and accidentally reverted.—NØ 22:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Question bout NZ Hot

Hi Ss112, do you know why in this link it still shows "Shallow" even though it debuted on the main chart? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:29, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: The Hot Singles is a different metric from the old Heatseeker Singles chart. It's not songs that haven't reached the main singles chart, it's just "The 40 fastest-moving tracks by sales, streams and airplay" per https://nztop40.co.nz/chart/hotsingles, so singles can be on the main chart and the Hot Singles too. It's like an alternate metric to the main chart. Ss112 09:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Ss112

I am new to the wikipedia so I may have made a mistake on the page editing. I come in peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariosheats (talk • contribs) 17:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Ss112. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. aNode (discuss) 07:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@ANode: Hey, got your email, I'll reply in a bit! Ss112 08:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Phoenix

Is there a reason why my edits for Phoenix were deleted when there’s actual proof of her tracklist being confirmed? Grigioboy1 (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@Grigioboy1: Yes, because you didn't cite the source yourself. WP:V. Ss112 17:45, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Ireland charts

To be fair won't turn this into the template anymore as every week its updating lol. Let the song reach its maximum peak and then maybe. What do you think? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 16:16, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Sounds good. Ss112 16:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the World (Kevin Rudolf song)

I don't know how I missed that cut and paste move. Nice catch. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:41, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi again. Clicked on your user page and saw that you were a member of the MJ project. An interesting tidbit -- I was the production manager on the Pepsi commercial where Mr. Jackson had his hair incident back in 1984. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Holy bleep! -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Onel5969:@Ad Orientem: I concur—holy bleep! Seems like more than an interesting tidbit to me! Ss112 06:20, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Help Life (Boy George and Culture Club album)

I just notice the banner on Life (Boy George and Culture Club album) after editing it - the interface I use for disambiguation doesn't show the banner until the edit is done - sorry if that interrupted you.— Rod ^talk 09:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rodw: No trouble, I wasn't editing it at that time. Ss112 09:39, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Truthfully

Hi Ss112, I thought you said you'd try and avoid redirects to album tracks when a dab page is required. Just come across some more. If it's a mistake, then fine. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: You did not "just come across" them, the amount you've been focusing on redirects I have made in the past few days indicates you are looking at a list of redirects I have made. I don't know why you can't just admit that. It happens from time to time and you've done it again. Also, don't put words into my mouth. I never agreed with you that dab pages were a requirement. I said I might make an effort to make more disambiguation pages if I do searches and it's obvious there are other options. Occasionally I do research the titles of redirects I make. I do not have the time to go and inspect every single one I make. No user is required to make disambiguation pages if, in what is your opinion, it's "obvious" there are other things that title could mean. We could make a disambiguation page out of probably every damn name or configuration of words. At this point in human history there are very few titles that haven't been used by someone, somewhere at some other point in time. To expect or even ask a user to do that in every instance is ludicrous, nor can you ask them, as you have to me in the past, to "just stop making redirects then". Ss112 11:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

No as I said before the last time, I come across them when I look for misdirects. The fact that so many of them are yours is due to the fact that you make so many, not because you are the only editor who does this. If you want to keep doing it fine, then I withdraw the request above. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: I'm sorry, I'm not aware there's such a thing as a page of "misdirects", as you like to call them. How exactly does one look for "misdirects"? I'd really like to know. Ss112 11:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

They come up by themselves, but typically can be found within year categories for recent entertainment products, indicating that a redirect has been created pointing all readers at one author, album, artist etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: I didn't add any categories to any redirect I made and nobody else had yet either. I'm still confused as to where exactly they come up by themselves then. Ss112 12:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I said typically, or in clusters with new albums. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Music Weekly Asia

Ss112, do you know about these set of charts? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:11, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Yeah, I've seen those used before. The site looks like a blog and it's not the official chart of any of the countries it has charts for—the RIAS publishes charts for Singapore, for instance. It fails WP:BADCHARTS logic because it has an unclear methodology. Ss112 14:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, will remove its addition. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:56, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Edit summary comments

Your grievances with VisualEditor are not my grievances, nor are even problems concerning me directly—which you clearly understand. I'm not going to change my preferences just to suit you. Maybe you should take your issues up with with the project instead of leaving passive aggressive comments? diplomat’s son (talk+contrib) 00:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Diplomat's Son: Do you realise if I've reverted you directly and spoken to you directly, that is not what "passive aggressive" means? And yes, they are my "grievances" with you because you are the one continuously using Visual Edit on these particular pages and thus adding unnecessary parameters that others who don't use Visual Edit recognise as junk (because they serve no purpose and are not applicable) and have to remove. Maybe as I said, you can consider not using it every time you edit? Ask yourself whether you really need to. Pretty sure it's there to aid newbies who don't know basic HTML and unless you are in that category it's not really that useful. Ss112 02:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ss112: my bad, improper wording, it was straight up aggressive. Look, I don't care to get into this any further than it is (especially when we're making the same rounds on these pop music articles), but we both understand that the editor has its unintended consequences–I am not adding these parameters on purpose, I do not realize that it is making these changes until I save the page. But I'll be more proactive in the future and clean up after myself. Again, I don't have to ask myself if its "necessary" to use it each and every time, I want to. Have you considered that the maybe the WYSIWYG editor just aids in accessibility on my end? It's not fun (for me) to have to read past the HTML tags. I'm more than capable of editing in plain text, I just don't want to. diplomat’s son (talk+contrib) 02:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Addressing unfair templates usage.

You seems to have full knowledge of the problems on Shatta Wale page, so why don't you solve it yourself if there is any? I think you are using the templates unfairly. Wikipedia is always imploring it users to expand every page they chance upon and this is what we get in return? Wells.grace (talk) 19:10, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Wells.grace I don't think you understand what the templates in question are. This is not an attack on you or an implication of bad faith editing. All it represents is an editor, in this case one who is highly experienced and who works a great deal in music related genres, and who has looked at the article and thinks it may need some work to get it into full compliance with our standards as an encyclopedia. It should not be taken personally. The best way to quickly remove tags from an article is to work collaboratively with the editor who put them there in order to resolve any issues. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Wells.grace: I already have tried to fix the issues. You came in after I cut quite a bit out, removed the templates, added more fan POV in, and restored some more poorly written prose where I had removed it. Clearly you're going to continue doing it, so it needs somebody who can clear it out once and for all and who can get through to you in telling you to write in a more neutral style, no matter how much you might like somebody. Wikipedia is not the place to gush about how much you think somebody means to Ghanaian dancehall and music. Start a blog and do it there. Ss112 22:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Music genres

Hi. Since you are active in the area of music articles (and I am not), can you review/comment on this genre edit and the handful of other edits by that IP user? I looked around for a guideline I could point to about the need for sourcing of genres, but can't seem to find it. Thanks! —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Well, you can simply cite WP:V, as they're not providing sources for their changes or explaining why. That's an IP evading a block anyway; their summary on Call the Shots gives them away. "I don't think [such and such] is sourced" is a well-known summary of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Wikidestruction vandal. You can revert them for being a genre warrior, as Binksternet already has, as well. Ss112 00:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced genre

I added genre to aid readers have full knowledge or details about the Reign (Shatta Wale album). It was last reverted by you for lack of source. Do we need a source to know the genre of the album after listening to the production? Furthermore, it is classified as Afro-Beat on iTunes so why do you still ask for source? The purpose of creating a page is not achieved if some editors on here seems to deem every content that is not coming from them as invalid or inaccurate. -- Wells.grace (talk) 07:32, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Wells.grace: What you deem the genre to be is not relevant, so no, you can't assess the genre yourself and then add it to the article (WP:SUBJECTIVE). You should know by this point Wikipedia relies on independent, reliable published secondary news sources per WP:V and WP:RS. What critics have said the genre is is what matters. iTunes' assessment of genre is automatic and is not considered a reliable indication. The purpose of creating a page is not achieved if you think everything doesn't need to be sourced, especially something as contentious as genres. Ss112 15:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Mía and Bebé songs articles

Hi, I saw your edit summary about the accents in the songs "Mía" and "Bebé" on the list of number-one Billboard Hot Latin Songs of 2018. I know that neither article supports those accents. Both singles' titles were released in capital letters: "MIA" and "BEBE". Those words have an accent mark in Spanish and writing them without accent is wrong.

• "Bebe" means "drink", while "Bebé" means baby/babe/girl (depending of the context). In the song, the performers say "bebecita" ("little baby") and "baby".
• "Mia" is a proper noun, while "Mía" means "mine". In the song, the rappers say "tu eres mía" ("you are mine"). Brankestein (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Brankestein: I already know what the titles mean (it could be figured out from the context anyway), and I know simple Spanish words. However, using accents is a matter of what sources say. The same argument has been had over famous sportspeople of Latin descent, whether to use the "correct" accenting of their name per Spanish naming customs or to go with WP:COMMONNAME. Similarly, if the Spanish speakers who write and perform these songs don't want to use accents in their song titles when referring to them on social media or can't be bothered to, why are we doing it for them? Ss112 23:45, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Because one should not allow others to write badly. Brankestein (talk) 00:02, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Brankestein: You're saying the performer of a song is "writing badly" by neglecting to use accents on letters in their own language? That could be a stylistic choice, like an English speaker using "U" instead of "You" and so on. We can't retitle it "You" for them because we think it's leading to the degradation of the language. We can't decide for others how to title their songs (unless it's something like capitalisation or stylisation rules), whether you think it's badly written or not. As far as I know, Wikipedia's MOS doesn't say to insert accents where a language would ordinarily use them if sources don't. Ss112 00:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I understand the hypothetical stylistic choice, but in Spanish an accent changes the meaning of a word, like I said before. If you read "U" instead of "You" in the title of a song, you know what it means. If I read the title "Mia" I have to believe that the song is about a woman named Mia. Various Spanish-language news websites write "Mía" and "Bebé". Brankestein (talk) 02:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Brankestein: You still know what they mean given the context of the song. Sources have to be consistent for us to change all uses of a song's title and they almost never are. You do realise that the article for "Mia" is at Mia (Bad Bunny song) without the accent over the "i", right? Perhaps request a move citing whatever proof you can find, and then we can change all uses of it. Same with 6ix9ine's article. At most, I'm being consistent with the title of that song's article. Also, I don't think I need to tell you, but as this is the English Wikipedia, we would care more about what English language sources have to say/use. If there were none or very few, then Spanish language sources would take preference. I'm saying that not to say Spanish sources don't mean anything, but that's something that's taken into account when articles are moved or we're arguing to adopt a uniform way of writing something. So really, at the end of the day, you're raising your case with the wrong person or at the wrong place. Request a move at Talk:Mia (Bad Bunny song). Ss112 02:21, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Then it's going to be impossible to change the titles. Thanks for your replies and sorry for bothering you. Brankestein (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Discography help

Hey Ss112, A while back I also wrote an article for two Dominican singers Santaye and Giselle Tavera as part of an editathon for WP:WIR. I attempted to add some Billboard charts but know that they are missing info and are poorly formatted. Any assistance you could provide for those would be greatly appreciated. As an aside, I also started Erika Costell but I think she has only charted once. I'd be interested in better learning how to do it myself. Frequently, when I edit a discography table in the visual editor, it looks fine....but when I switch to source editing and then return to visual, the table becomes mal-formatted. Thanks! Thsmi002 (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Own It (album)

Have you been able to find producer credits anywhere? This album isn't even listed on Allmusic. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer: You can right click each track on Tidal here, click "Credits" and see each producer listed. Ss112 03:33, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Treat Myself

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I have an article for the album already drafted at Draft:Treat Myself. Although I’m not too bothered by you starting the mainspace article, I think you’ve written it really well. How would you like this situation to be handled, should the draft just be deleted? Thanks in advance for your response!—NØ 21:58, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: Oh, I had no idea you'd started a draft. I thought the notice would show up if somebody had started one...maybe it's because you don't appear to have submitted it for AfC (even though sometimes even if the notices do appear, I barely notice they're there). I think as they're parallel histories, unfortunately not much is likely to come of the draft so it should probably be redirected to the main article (what I've seen most other editors do). You can nominate it for speedy deletion if you want, or I'm pretty sure if it's not worked on any more/empty it will be deleted in several months per standard draft procedure. Ss112 22:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I redirected the draft to the article. By the way, since the article has been expanded fivefold, its also eligible for DYK. I think you should submit it with the fact "Did you know... that Meghan Trainor delayed Treat Myself because she wanted to add more songs to it?" I'd have nominated it but I believe its not my place since you're the page creator!--NØ 11:22, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Margaret (singer)

Hey. A while back you told me that numbers below 10 should be written in words instead of figures and we had a bit of an argument about it but that's water under the brige now I hope. Anyways, since then I've changed all figures to words here because in some instances there were smaller and bigger numbers in one sentence, eg. 'the singles reached numbers six and 12' and it looked inconsistent. However, now we've also got something like 'on the list of one hundred most influential...' which looks a bit odd, so I was wondering if you could do a run through the article and change what needs to be changed with the numbers, so that it nice and clear. Best. ArturSik (talk) 23:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hello, I'd like to report a possible vandalism. One or more anonimous users are continuously adding a genre in the page Folklore (Nelly Furtado album) using a source that doesn't confirm it, and everytime I revert the edit they accuse me of being a sockpuppet. I don't speak very well English, so I don't think I can handle this situation alone. Ikcir (talk) 15:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ikcir: I think you're dealing with a sockpuppet of MariaJaydHicky, who's edited that page a bit before. You should request page protection at WP:RFPP and note that it's a sock of MariaJaydHicky who keeps reverting you and accusing you. Ss112 19:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Ikcir (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

LM5

I haven't made any changes to this or related Little Mix articles yet, because I wanted to wait until the album is released to be able to check, but technically speaking, I don't believe the album will be released on RCA Records. The press release says "LM5, the forthcoming Little Mix album A&R’d and released on Syco Music (my emphasis), is to be serviced by RCA at the request of Syco and Simon Cowell"... to me, that says quite clearly that it will be released on Syco/Sony Music, and distributed (not released) by RCA – RCA will only be the label for all future releases, not this one. That makes sense – the album covers and booklets for the physical editions will have been printed a couple of months ago, and there's no way they could scrap them and reprint them all by replacing "Syco" with "RCA" in time for the album's release... plus I'm sure the album would already have been contracted to Syco for release ahead of the split. But perhaps I'm wrong – we'll see if tomorrow the physical copies are released with an "RCA Records" sticker on them, and what iTunes, Amazon, etc. list as the record label for the digital versions. What do you think? Richard3120 (talk) 14:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Richard3120: You might indeed be right—the Australian deluxe iTunes page is showing "Simco Limited under exclusive licence to Sony Music Entertainment UK Limited". Ss112 14:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I thought I'd mention it to you, because as an Australian-based editor, you're going to be one of the first Wikipedia editors to get a look at the album , while here in Colombia, I'm going to be one of the last :-) it's still only 9:30am on the 15th here as I type this... Richard3120 (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

The Simulation listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The Simulation. Since you had some involvement with the The Simulation redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Jax 0677 (talk) 14:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Ss112

Hey Ss112, I have taken onboard your comments regarding "the correct classes for newly created articles" and "reverting edits without explanation" left on my talk page. I would like to thank you for all your contributions you've made to the articles i've created or watch. All the best, Vistadan 22:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

AMPROFON

Ss112, do you know what happened to the Mexican albums chart? Last update I can see was from July 2018, did they stop completely? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: No idea, I never followed the Mexican chart. But by the looks of AMPROFON's website, it appears they have stopped: the last time they updated was August 2018. The last time their apparent Facebook account posted was September. Not sure what happened there. Ss112 12:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Dummy Boy

Are you not allowed to edit unsourced content on 6ix9ine's album dummy Boy Oreratile1207 (talk) 19:11, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

PROMUSICAE

Hi, LM5 debuted at #13 on the Spanish Streaming Chart I wasn’t sure if this should be added to the page. I did attempt myself but was unable to add a title(?) so I felt it’d be best just to ask you.

Thanks Lmarmy (talk) 19:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lmarmy: It's not really relevant to add, because the overall album peak is higher and streaming figures into the overall album position anyway, so the streaming albums chart is a component chart we shouldn't bother adding. Ss112 19:45, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Pinkfong redirect you created

Hi User:Ss112, I see your name all over pages! I am asking a special favor from you. I have created a new page for Pinkfong that I would like to add to Wikipedia Asian Month. It will be my 4th page for the project, which is the goal for November. The articles must be created by the contributor and must be uploaded in November and tomorrow is the last day.

I want to ask you can you request a Speedy Deletion of the Redirect you created? Then I can post the new page this month, with my name on it.

I think the Template you use is this one here Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Deletion templates at the bottom of the page you will see the DB or Delete Because templates. I think the Speedy Deletion|Reason one will work well, with you typing the reason that "I created this Redirect and another User wishes to create a page with the same name." Thank you!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sean, have you had a chance to read this over yet? I hate to bother you. The Asian Month project first rule is: "The article is newly created by you (i.e. not expanding stubs) between November 1, 2018 0:00 and November 30, 2018 23:59 (UTC)." So I believe I have to have the page information show my name and this month's dates. Sorry I am being so persistent. I never actually checked to see if there was a Redirect until yesterday. Then I had already done massive work on citations and writing the page. Please let me know what you think?--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bonnielou2013: You can G6 it yourself. Thanks for seeking my approval, but you don't technically need my blessing. Ss112 05:14, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, I will, but it may take a couple of days as it has to go to Discussion, since I am not the page creator, you are. But I will tweak the name to get it uploaded today, then do the Deletion process for the actual name. Thanks for approving!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sean RE:name for Pingfong....See above sentence where I said I will tweak the name of the page to get it uploaded on time for November 30. Let's try to communicate with each other on talk pages instead of on Summaries. I didn't know exactly when WP time ended on Nov. 30.....I am in Korea and needed to go to bed. But, thanks for the name change, which I meant to do when the Deletion process happened. I knew it would take longer, as I was not the Creator of the Redirect. Anyway, I don't think the process about Redirects is perfect....but we got it all worked out anyway. Thanks again.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Ok all Pinkfong! are taken care of. (I left the ones that actually belong to the titles of their videos) I was going to do the Move to the real name, Pinkfong, after the Deletion process....but it worked out well, it just got Reviewed, so there was no confusion, thanks to you moving it while I was asleep. As I said, the Redirects cause a new article to be assigned to the Redirect creator....I had this happen before with a band name...fans started adding information (with no citations) to create the page over the Redirect and WP notified me about my new page that I created! Since I liked the band I waited until they were notable....later that year they put out their first album....I felt responsible since my name was attached as the creator. Anyway, long story...I felt I complained at you, but I am a little sleepy. Talk to you later!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 21:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bonnielou2013: I don't see the point in bothering to go out of my way to visit somebody's talk page and start a new section and wrote a longer message than I have to when what I want to write can fit in a (more concise) edit summary. It was not meant to "attack" or "complain" at you, I was just confused. I don't believe most edit summary mentions require replies or responses. It's just wasted energy. Yes, generally, talk pages are the go-to form of communication—but on most occasions I see edit summary mentions as more like dropping a note, or a memo. Ss112 06:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Yo (Inna album)

Hi! Because there's no other album on Wikipedia named "Yo", this album should be at "Yo (album)". However, "Yo (album)" already redirects to Alex Greenwald. What should I do? Best regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Cartoon network freak: You can request it be moved at WP:RM/TR. Ss112 12:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Party for One

On 4 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Party for One, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Carly Rae Jepsen teased "Party for One" by posting a picture of herself? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Party for One. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Party for One), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 12:02, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Ghostbusters Soundtrack

Since you seem to be everywhere when it comes to chart positions, can you take a look at the Ghostbusters soundtrack chart position for Australia? I found a source to replace the old one but I can't figure out how to replace it. The link is on the talk page.

Thanks,

CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 03:00, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@CAMERAwMUSTACHE: Never mind, I fixed the chart link. Ss112 03:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Look What I Found

Thanks for catching this, copy-paste errors *facepalm*. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Pleses Help!!

List of Billboard 200 top 10 albums well I made this page After seeing the astralian version of it and I thought I could make but I clearly can't so I'm asking you to Help me make it a thing. Kay gee 2019 (talk) 01:52, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Have you

Seen this? What a mess! Imagine if they revert Travis Scott and give it to 6ix9ine now lol. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Yeah, it's been a whole big debacle for days. Nielsen Music announced a sales discrepancy, recounted, are saying 6ix9ine's now ahead, but I think Billboard's resistant to the idea and are delaying it as long as possible—people think Billboard don't like 6ix9ine because the custom short URL they used and linked to on Twitter for Astroworld regaining #1 over 6ix9ine was http://blbrd.cm/f6UcK9 (which still works, but they deleted the tweet for obvious reasons)...Apparently Sony want Astroworld to be number one and lodged a complaint as well. It's a complete shambles. Ss112 11:27, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

OMG, that link hahaha! This is such a shady business going on and I'm finding myself more invested in it day by day. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:30, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

About citation variation

I don't want to feel like I'm nitpicking but per WP:CITEVAR: If you are the first contributor to add citations to an article, you may choose whichever style you think best for the article. I will now caution on using the tidy script for citations. Nevertheless, everything else you stated in your edit was correct - so thank you for the feedback of the edits! – The Grid (talk) 20:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

@The Grid: I'm aware of what CITEVAR says. However, as you may be aware, your version of the article was redirected and then Lazz R restored it, and that version stuck. So I don't think if somebody else restored the article with more information/reworked it, that you then still get to decide (for them/the article) what the citation style is, because redirecting the article is tantamount to deleting it and starting over anew when somebody chooses to do so. Ss112 04:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Lescharts.com

Ss112, do you know if Hung Medien has stopped updating Lescharts.com? Or they do it quarterly or something. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Hey, no idea. Maybe they're just extremely behind, or decided to stop doing updating with whatever formula they concoct for charts that seems to heavily favour downloads hahaha. Ss112 11:59, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Treat Myself

On 13 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Treat Myself, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Meghan Trainor's 2019 album Treat Myself has been characterized as "filled with self-love anthems"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Treat Myself. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Treat Myself), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Page-mover rights granted

Hello, Ss112. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

This seemed like a practical tool that you have both the requisite experience as well as a demonstrated use for. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

This was unexpected, but I suppose it will be helpful. Thanks! Ss112 09:13, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

A pie for you!

The best Christmas pie for you! Happy Christmas and all the best wishes to you!! Greetings; Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Cartoon network freak: Thanks, and a Merry Christmas to you! Ss112 07:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Wishing you and yours and blessed feast. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: Merry Christmas! Hope you have a good day too. Ss112 07:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! -Fwth

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Merry Chr1stmas and Happy H0lidays, Ss112!


Hey Ss112, i lOvE yOu and wish you a pleasant Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year.
Thanks for all you do on Wikipedia. 🐇🐇🐇
Flooded with them hundreds 09:35, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Cozy Little Christmas

On 25 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cozy Little Christmas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "Cozy Little Christmas" is Katy Perry's second Christmas song after "Every Day Is a Holiday"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cozy Little Christmas. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cozy Little Christmas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Breaking Benjamin – "Blow Me Away"

Merry Christmas, could you check the chart section on Breaking Benjamin's "Blow Me Away" single page please. Merry Christmas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.157.19.180 (talk) 17:51, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Sick Boy

Hey. I just noticed all the charts on Sick Boy (album) and was wondering if they should be listed on The Chainsmokers discography instead. I understand that these EPs are part of the album, but they're released individually, listing all of them on the parent album article seems confusing. Since none of the EPs have their own articles yet, I think they should be listed on TC's discography for now. Hayman30 (talk) 18:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Hayman30: Hey, I agree, they should probably should be listed elsewhere and/or clarified. But I get the feeling Flooded might have an issue with it (and I only restored them to that article since he seems to have spent a bit of time compiling them), so perhaps drop a line on his talk page. Ss112 01:42, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Just a heads up

I don't know why (you're AP), but a few of your articles were caught up in the Page Curation feed. Just a heads up, I've reviewed them and other than the notability tag on Gravity (Gryffin album) (which can probably be removed when the album gets the coverage on release), everything's good. Many thanks, SITH (talk) 20:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Question about notability

Hi again, Ss112. Sorry for asking you all these questions, but you seem to know a bunch. I'm currently doing a good article review for Microsoft Office Picture Manager, seen here, and I noticed something troubling; there are, as best as I can tell, 15 primary sources and only 3 secondary sources. It's a pretty good article, but this kind of makes it seem like the topic might not even pass notability (this is pointed out in the review under the 'References' subsection). HOWEVER, I don't want to say one way or the other without the input of more experienced editors, like you! What do you think? CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 23:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@CelestialWeevil: You're definitely right that we need secondary sources to establish notability for a topic. While I do think that this article/topic would be kept as an article regardless of the outcome of the GA, if most sources are just Microsoft talking about its own program, it's not really telling the reader why this is "worthy" of inclusion. That's just my two cents anyway, I can't tell you one way or another what to do at the GA review. Ss112 09:38, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

REPEATLINK is not OVERLINK

A few years ago, the two guidelines were side-by-side, but they've been teased apart about a year ago. What you did here was describe WP:REPEATLINK, but you called it WP:OVERLINK. Walter Görlitz (talk) 10:28, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: I do say "rm repeated links" sometimes, but I don't think there's much difference regardless of what was done at that page. If one takes the term "overlinking" by itself without its particular specified meaning, it can be taken to mean over-linking to the same articles. What I mean is pretty clear nonetheless. Ss112 10:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

If you click through to the guidelines, REPEATLINK is now under a heading of "Duplicate and repeat links" while OVERLINK is at "What generally should not be linked" and speaks specifically to a different topic. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I already did click through and noticed that, but I stand by my assessment. Ss112 19:41, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

References on San Junipero

Thanks for fixing the references on San Junipero, and informing me of the note in the documentation which I didn't notice on a first read. I would appreciate it, however, if you refrained from commenting on the contributor rather than the content such as making ownership accusations like Just because this page is featured, does not mean [...] you have to preserve every aspect of it. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 13:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@Bilorv: That wasn't intended to be personal; I don't know who got "San Junipero" to FA status (If it was you, I did not know). I was just referring to the mindset of a lot of editors (even those that did not get articles to FA) that they should be protected at most costs instead of ever-evolving. Ss112 13:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Okay, but it's a comment that I don't feel was appropriate here. I reverted because I took notice of the wrong part of the documentation, not because the page is an FA. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 13:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Help

Hi, by any chance do you know how to upload pictures onto wikipedia? I am not that sure about copyright stuff so yeah I was wondering if you could help to upload one. Thanks. Coolbruh123 (talk) 15:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Coolbruh123: Do you mean for XII or "Gotta Go"? Also, when creating a new section on a user's talk page, please create it at the very bottom, or click "New section" at the top of the page. Ss112 15:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh okai sry. And yeah its for "XII" but I'm new to wikimedia. So do you mind to help? Thanks! Coolbruh123 (talk) 15:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

?? Coolbruh123 (talk) 07:14, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Coolbruh123: I have now uploaded the cover art for XII. In future, you can use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. It's quite easy—just follow the prompts. Ss112 13:11, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank You! I know it's quite simple, but there are a lot of copyright stuff that i am kot sure about so yeah. Most pictures i uploaded have been deleted. Coolbruh123 (talk) 13:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

MDNA cover art

Hi, I need ur help. The wikipedia page for MDNA (Madonna's twelfth album) contains the deluxe edition cover instead of standard edition cover. Majority of the Wikipedia pages about music albums use the standard edition cover instead of deluxe one. Do you have any idea why it is different in case of MDNA. KARANSUTTA (talk) 23:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@KARANSUTTA: I'd say it would have been discussed at some point, as you're right, usually we default to using the standard edition artwork. Ss112 10:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

ARIA Year-end charts 2018

Hey Ss112, I just saw ARIA released the 2018 Year-end charts and I saw you've updated the top 100 albums and singles for that. Just checking if you did them all? I'm happy to help out (but the random few I viewed were already done :)Tobyjamesaus (talk) 06:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

@Tobyjamesaus: Hey, thanks, but I already did them all this morning. Ss112 13:56, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

XII (single) and other single albums

Good call with your page move at XII (single), as I had previous done a less viable page move caused by some confusion over the term "single album" as used in Korea. You might want to chip in at this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#"Single Album". ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

FAC Help

Hi, Ss112. If me coming to you for help is a bother, please let me know. Right now one of my articles, an album called Streetcleaner, is up for FAC. It looks like it won't pass because of a lack of comments. Neither of the two main wikiprojects it falls under are active, and I don't really know anyone on Wikipedia interested in the band who isn't also a contributor to the article. It would be a tremendous help if you could put in some comments, positive or negative, especially on the sources, since you're so familiar with music-related editing. Thanks regardless, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 17:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Big Bang discography question

Hello
hopefully you'll be able to help me out.
Today i went to check out Big Bang's discography page, and noticed something, which made me confused. Several songs/singles have RIAJ certifications assigned to them, but i can't find any mentions of single (non-album/non-video) RIAJ certifications by using the search function(and it bothers me, because they are claimed ti be up to 2x platinum).
Could you also take a look? If those certifications aren't real, they should be removed, but i don't want to remove them out of error. Thank you! Kleool (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

@Kleool: You're right, the RIAJ web page used on the page doesn't contain any other certifications for Big Bang besides albums. However, you might be able to find some using the month-by-month page at https://www.riaj.or.jp/f/data/cert/hs.html. For instance, in September 2012 (2012年9月), I see "Tell Me Goodbye" and "Fantastic Baby" were certified Gold. Maybe if you have time, you can find them using that and remove the singles you can't find? As some might have had their sales inflated by other editors. Ss112 00:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

ooooh, i somehow didn't think of that! I will do that, thank you! Kleool (talk) 04:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

AFP - Portugal certifications

Hey Ss112, happy new year. Do you know any link for the Portuguese certifications? The original website seems to have disappeared. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 20:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Hey, same to you! And nope, I hardly ever add certifications for countries other than Australia and New Zealand. You're right though, the website has gone offline, which is odd. Some countries just don't seem to make it much of a priority to have a working music industry website or certification database, it seems... Ss112 00:16, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Also, I see you've removed that trash website chartmasters.org from a bunch of articles—good work! I didn't realise it was on so many articles. Ss112 00:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Happy New Year to you both as well - the Hung Medien portuguesecharts.com website used to show certifications too, but these seem to have gone as well. I just wanted to echo Ss112's observation about some countries not taking certifications seriously... for example, any Colombian certifications quoted on Wikipedia are usually taken from quotes in newspapers or in Billboard. Supposedly the Colombian music association is ASINCOL, but I've looked in vain here for any information about the association... there's no website for them any more, and I can't find them in any address or phone listings, so how the hell do these awards get given out, and people find out about them?

In all honesty though, I find that certifications have lost their meaning over the last few years since "sales" effectively became number of streams - it's obvious the bar for "equivalent sales" has been set way too low, because in the days of physical product in the UK you got on average maybe one or two platinum singles per year, and another 10 to 12 singles certified gold, so there was a real prestige in getting a gold or platinum disc. Now it seems you just have to release a song and it's guaranteed at least a gold disc, and sometimes you don't even need that... there's at least one song which has been certified platinum in the UK despite never having been released as a single. And in the US there are songs which have been certified gold without even making the Hot 100. I dunno, if you don't even have to chart to get a gold disc, it kind of loses the point for me. Anyway, rant over... Richard3120 (talk) 01:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Richard, I agree with you. Ss112, I added the website here for getting it blacklisted. Maybe would require editors to support the blacklisting. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

PS there are so many Celine Dion and Mylene Farmer articles still has that trash website added. If you just search for "Chartmasters" it will give you all the articles. Would appreciate any help that you can give in eliminating from the articles. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:23, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

We could still add it to WP:BADCHARTS with or without the blacklisting, right? Richard3120 (talk) 11:36, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Richard3120: yes we should actually. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 12:09, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Sweden year end

I have the Swedish 2018 album year end chart. Thought you would appreciate :) —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 20:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan Barnsensu Award

		WikiProject Japan Barnsensu Award
		Thank you for all your work on the various music industry-related lists (such as List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2019 (Japan), List of Oricon number-one albums of 2019, and List of Oricon number-one singles of 2019). You've done a great job maintaining them, and your efforts are appreciated. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

+1! Ss112, sometimes I feel like you think I'm working against you, but I have great respect for your contributions on this project. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:34, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Five Music (Taiwanese Chart)

Hello Ss112, I see your edit in Time for Us that you remove the Five Music chart because of the reason you indicated. Will this mean all albums that have this chart information be removed as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meatgrind89 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@Meatgrind89: I remove it where I see it, but I don't go out of my way to find as it's not grossly unreliable, just shouldn't really be used because it's a store's chart. It's up to you if you choose to remove it where you see it from now on. Ss112 03:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

RfC discussion on List of 2017 articles that is really about proper use of Wikipedia:Article size. Requesting your time because I think a guideline is being misused

Please, I need your input. There is a conversation about splitting an article because of its size, but I don’t care which way you would vote on if it should be split or not. My issue is that the other editor and a companion-in-arms are misusing, mistranslating Wikipedia:Article size. These two are reducing the size of the largest articles in Wikipedia, which sounds like a noble goal, but when I asked what limit there should be on an article size, the response was 100 kB characters. The Wiki-guideline does state that readable prose should be less than 100 kB, but readable prose is the article minus citations, lists, tables, footnotes, and images, so I find the interpretation dangerous. The other editor said to get articles down in size, a yearly list could be cut down in half, in quarters, or even monthly. I cannot picture the easy usage of lists that is divided by month for multiple years. The guideline mostly states lists and tables are excluded from the guideline, so my objection to the split is that there is no justification except a misused guideline.

Basically, I think these two editors are going beyond being useful in improving Wikipedia and are moving into damaging Wikipedia, so I would like you to come to Talk:List of 2017 albums#Request for comment, read the discussions in the two section above it, especially Talk:List of 2017 albums#Redux, and provide feedback. I do not care if you say split or oppose, but to me the discussion is not about the split but the misuse of the Article Size guideline, and I want your and others I respect feedback on the conversation and the proper use of the guideline. Mburrell (talk) 02:54, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@Mburrell: I have commented there. I don't agree with splitting large articles in most cases, and the ways to split there just don't make sense to me—one seems strange (or would to most readers, I think) and another is excessive. Thanks for notifying. Ss112 03:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. What scares me most about these two editors is how they read Wikipedia:Article size and get their rationale. I am an engineer, and am used to reading codes and regulations, which is written in a way hard to comprehend at first, but you get used to scavenging the information and the meaning. I read Article size one way, and they see something different. They may be right on some accounts, but when 123IP keeps saying the limit should be 100 kb, I know the user has no clue how to interpret the guideline, and is just whacking away with a chainsaw. Mburrell (talk) 04:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@Mburrell: Indeed. I am frankly just baffled at this systematic attempt to cut down long pages (we're down from pages that were 800kB to 500kB). It looks like Pigsonthewing and Onetwothreeip have some kind of tag-time effort going on on all these long pages...Pigsonthewing proposes a split of a large page, and Onetwothreeip puts it into action. How bizarre. Also now, Onetwothreeip is calling the proposed split "urgent". That actually seems kind of funny to me. We're calling splitting a 500kB page a matter of urgency. A vandal running rampant on Wikipedia is what I would call "urgent", not a long article that some users might spend a bit more time loading. Where are both of these editors going to stop? At 100kB? What in the actual... Also, I see you dropped a note on Zawl's talk page. Zawl hasn't edited since early 2018, as he stopped editing on that account to get a "clean start" as Flooded with them hundreds. However, Flooded has apparently now "retired" due to ANI thread that he should change his signature, etc. Ss112 07:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Regarding adding unsourced content

Hi friend, thanks for the heads-up, I referenced an article to my Lil Pump discography edit AndreasAt (talk) 11:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Friendly advice

Don't feed the trolls. Arguing with them is pointless. You will never win and they end up getting what they want most... attention. Report and then ignore them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Emails

Hi Ss112. I have recently received an email from another editor who expressed a number of concerns to me, some of which touch on your editing, in particular the creation of new articles replacing already existing redirects. This is fairly normal practice and I explained as much in my reply. However, on one issue I think they had a fair point. Private emails to administrators are fine in cases where one may be seeking advice or relaying some sensitive information. But it is not, and should not become, the normative way of conducting business. Requests for page deletions and reports of disruptive editing, socking & etc. should be handled on the pages of the project unless there is an unusual situation where common sense suggests discretion is required. In particular any future requests for deletion of existing pages need to be made by tagging the page with the appropriate CSD tag. Use of private emails for conducting routine business can create the impression of back room type collusion intended to avoid the normal scrutiny of administrator actions, and should therefore be avoided. This note should not be interpreted in any manner as an implication of bad faith, which is certainly not the case. But as I am sure you will agree, appearances do count and our procedures are intended to ensure that in all but very rare cases all aspects of administrator activity are an open book. Your adherence to this in the future is deeply appreciated. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:09, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: But you know that I hardly email about socking unless the editor is directly disruptively editing against attempts to report them, as has happened before. As for requesting articles for deletion, you had asked me to tag the articles with CSD tags before directly asking you, and in almost all cases, I did. If this editor thinks that I'm avoiding scrutiny in some way, why are they emailing instead of directly talking to you on your talk page? That seems a bit contradictory to me. Can I not know who they are? I assume this email was directly about me. Ss112 17:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

I am pretty sure you know who it is. PLEASE do not react. I handled it. But yeah, let's dispense with private emails that deal with ordinary business. If you want to draw my attention to something you can drop a line on my talk page. I get near immediate notification by email of any edits there. Thanks... -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: If it was Flooded, he knows exactly why some requests were sent directly to you through email: Because he has displayed exactly the sort of behaviour that if he were to see one working on an article that may replace a redirect he made, to then immediately start working on that article so it can't be deleted. Most emails were for promptness, not necessarily to evade scrutiny, but in cases involving him, evading his attention was basically required if any of the articles were to get made. I see he's come out of "retirement" too. I don't see how, after a whole ANI thread that brought up his behaviour here and on Commons, he's still concerned with what I do. Does that make sense to anybody? He gets criticised for behaviour entirely nothing to do with me and the first thing he thinks to do after a week of faux retirement is email you about me. What the actual. Ss112 17:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Let it go. I replied and addressed his concerns. And when you are requesting deletion of a page they created, even if its a redirect, avoiding their scrutiny is a no no. They have a definite right to be notified and involved in that discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: What discussion is there to be had if I, or anybody, has made an article for a redirect somebody else has made and want it deleted? Is objecting really going to stop it from happening? If this was concerning Harverd Dropout, you know that's not even a draft or an article I originally made, and did he actually think he was just going to make an article for it over his mainspace redirect afresh while disregarding that there's an entire history of a draft for it? I suppose this means we can expect more drama in 2019 from a user who, by all rights and with all things considered, should have been blocked already. From an editor who by even sending this concern via email instead of on Wikipedia (and last I heard still sends his fair share of correspondence to others via email), the amount of hypocrisy, contradiction and astounding lack of self-awareness here truly boggles the mind. How you, and other admins, are still tolerating this ridiculous and dishonest user after their BS on Commons and this latest ANI drama I will never know. Ss112 17:44, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

At this point I'm having an entirely justified Regina George "Why are you so obsessed with me?" moment. Truly, after all that's happened to them, they're still concerned with me? Still? Ss112 18:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

FYI I just got a pvt note from him in which expressed satisfaction with my earlier reply to him. He also said he has seen our above discussion and is fine with where things are and does not want anymore drama. I suggest we all move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Sends an email about drama, but says they don't want any more drama...right. I already had moved on—though I definitely still hold strong thoughts on the matter—but this same issue being dredged back up tells me this user truly can't, and that should be of concern to not just me, but others on the project as well. Ss112 18:38, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Question

Is there an issue with IPs adding unsourced and inaccurate material on Eternal Atake? A request for page protection has been made but I am not familiar enough with the subject and I am not seeing a lot of reverted edits which is a common sign of problematic editing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: There have been a lot of edits to it in the past two or so days, and a lot of that does appear to be speculation from IP addresses. Just reverted an IP there who added a "possible" release date despite it not being in the source provided. Lil Uzi Vert claimed he was "quitting" music and deleting all his music earlier this month, then he was scheduled to be part of an Australian music festival, cancelled, then performed with Lil Baby on stage in the US. So maybe that's why IP editors are all over it now. Ss112 02:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Late, but better than never

Hi,

I wanted to apologise for my part in the spat we had a few weeks ago, regarding Mabel’s discography. I now realise Mabel doesn’t yet need a discography, I just got ahead of myself. I do still believe that you were somewhat mean to me during the whole fiasco, but I’ve decided to forgive and forget. I hope we can be harmonious so that we can both add to articles in peace!

– Joesimnett (talk) 18:15, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Feral Roots Article

Hey, I noticed you created a redirect page for Feral Roots, the new album by Rival Sons. If I created the article, would it show that I created it or that you did? This is something I’ve been wondering whenever I see these redirect pages, and I’m willing to create the article for them. Is there anyway that it would count towards pages that I’ve created? Thanks. Jumbaugh22 (talk) 13:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jumbaugh22: Count towards pages you've created where? There's no official Wikipedia statistic for number of pages created, there's only external tools (like Xtools) that are an indication of pages created, as obviously every page that shows there wasn't actually made by that editor, it may have just been a redirect. I wouldn't take that as some official measure of your worth to Wikipedia. Anybody who does is on Wikipedia for the wrong reasons. What matters is who creates the content, not the redirect. Speaking of, there are a few articles released in recent weeks I've been meaning to get to, and that was one—now that it's gone top 5 in a few European countries yesterday, it's definitely notable...so I could start a stub for it and you could help contribute to it? In future though, you can create a draft and ask for it to be moved through the normal draft process, or create a page in your sandbox and request it be moved...there's a number of ways. Ss112 13:42, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah I can definitely contribute to the article. Thanks for your advice. Jumbaugh22 (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Since you asked, I got the track times from the CD itself, as well as from Spotify. Jumbaugh22 (talk) 15:33, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jumbaugh22: We generally probably should just stick with iTunes unless there's a pressing reason not to (like a big discrepancy). Getting track times off a CD varies from device to device and how those devices separate the tracks. Ss112 15:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Wasteland (Riverside album)

Hi! I created Wasteland (Riverside album) based on your redirect. Is that OK?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.84.87.185 (talk) 14:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

@82.84.87.185: Of course, that's fine! Ss112 15:01, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Barbie Girl

Do you think the quote by Rob Swire belongs? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:25, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Seems you don't like talk page notes, but I'll just say this article is much improved so thanks for your help. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)