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Ooops, I didn't see that. Thanks for catching it. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

The wrong hook had already been on the main page for half a day by then, RoySmith. I didn’t catch it; it had been reported at WP:ERRORS. Schwede 66 17:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Sigh. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

We all make mistakes; it’s not possible to get everything right all the time, RoySmith. It’s just puzzling that the checks-and-balances backup failed. It should have been spotted during the checks when promoting to queue. A hook struck on the nomination form isn’t subtle. Schwede 66 19:25, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

So, this is weird. I looks like sometimes PSHAW is smart enough to drop struck hooks from the control panel and sometimes it's not. For example, on Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Johnson vs. James J. Jeffries, ALT1 and ALT2 get listed even though they've been struck. But on Template:Did you know nominations/National Māori flag, at least some of them are dropped. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

What says you, theleekycauldron? Is there a technical way of preventing struck hooks from being promoted? The issue here is a hook that was struck on the nomination form got promoted to prep (and the subsequent manual check during promotion to queue didn't pick it up). Schwede 66 20:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I remember attempting this, but running into some weird bugs. I'll make it a higher priority to get it working properly; as always, my talk page and the talk page of PSHAW are open for bug reports :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I've just enabled a setting that will force PSHAW to remove all stricken text from consideration. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Awesome. Schwede 66 23:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! Now I need to find new and hitherto unexplored ways to screw up :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 23:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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I declined your speedy deletion request for File:Sam Uffindell.jpg. I think you were looking for {{Di-replaceable non-free use}}, and retagged it with your rationale. If you are using Twinkle, that option is under "DI" and not "CSD" even though both are covered under F7. Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 02:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Whpq. I noticed that the Twinkle description didn't match what I was trying to do. Where I was led astray was here: Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline#Speedy deletion. Can that be worded more clearly? Schwede 66 02:10, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The reality of F7 is that it can be really speedy as in immediate deletion for images from commercial agencies; sort of speedy for replaceable non-free images as it can be deleted in 2 days; and not so speedy as described there which is 7 days. I think the confusion comes in because they are all covered under speedy deletion but the action of disputed non-free under F7 behaves more like a PROD for two of the three cases. I'll have a think on this and maybe propose some wording changes on that page. -- Whpq (talk) 02:18, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Whpq Yeah, I've previously wondered about this "speedy deletion" that takes seven days. I'll watchlist that page and chip in if that's useful. Schwede 66 02:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I have updated the page to align the deletion guidelines with the actual options for F7. This should reduce the confusion somewhat but I expect that so long as some of the options for tagging is under DI in Twinkle, it will still be a bit confusing. -- Whpq (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Whpq. That looks great and should be clear enough. Schwede 66 17:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, the file didn't last 7 days, Whpq. Gone after 3 days. Schwede 66 01:14, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. It was tagged as replaceable non-free which can be deleted after 2 days. -- Whpq (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi . I just wanted to give some feedback on the revert you did for my update for this page. There was an abundance of new but properly sourced material that in my view didnt follow WP:NPOV. I checked back on previous elections and 7 iterations seemed to be common for the winner to reach the quota or 50% . Hence its not 'decisive' as well but was more a personal opinion. The numbers show Ms Whanau well ahead of the runners up which would seem to be sufficient. The previous elections I can see what the quoted material meant to say, but of course thats my own research. Okerefalls (talk) 19:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, Okerefalls. You removed the following content: "Eagle's fourth-place finish was described as an upset." It was referenced to a reliable source. I appreciate that in the final result, Eagle came third. To me, it would have seemed more appropriate to amend the sentence to reflect the final result (i.e. "third-place finish") but the "upset" would still hold true, wouldn't it? And by the way, personal opinions are irrelevant for Wikipedia; the only thing that matters are what reliable secondary sources say. That's where Wikipedia gets its content from; please have a look at WP:5P2. Schwede 66 20:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that . Im hoping to learn from this situation. But my issue wasnt with the 3rd place- getter, It was the 'boosterism' and departure from the NPOV in sourced material about the winner. I see this a lot in references to political events , although not as obvious in this situation. Unfortunately its a growing tendency to write up material as the 'biggest' or in this case ' decisive' when NPOV would suggest lesser terms Okerefalls (talk) 20:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi there Schwede66. Per your post here, if you ever see a GAN you'd like to review and would like a second set of eyes to look over the prose, feel free to leave me a message or ping me and I'd be happy to do so. English is my native language, so usually the prose review is the relatively fun and easy part. I'm happy to leave the more tedious parts of the review in your hands. Cheers. Ajpolino (talk) 03:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

That's excellent, Ajpolino. Thanks for reaching out. Schwede 66 08:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Haha, I'm coming back to here to let you know that I've started my very first GA review. And I've managed to pick one of yours, Ajpolino! Rookie mistake. Ah well, Chocmilk03 has also volunteered to team up so if coverage issues can be addressed, I'll ask her to help with prose. Schwede 66 01:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Schwede66! Let me know once you're ready for me to take a look at the prose; on a quick skim through it looks well-written and I doubt there would be much to highlight under the 1(a) and (b) criteria. :) Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi. You were very helpful last time I had a thought as to a possible DYK.

Here's another one I would like to offer up to you, for your consideration, for you to nominate and receive credit for. Thanks.

... that American football player DeSean Jackson accepted an invitation from Holocaust survivor Edward Mosberg (pictured) to visit the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland?

Sources: ^[1]^[2]^[3] 2603:7000:2143:8500:1504:385B:BEAE:C2F5 (talk) 07:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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[1]
"DeSean Jackson accepts invite to visit Auschwitz". ESPN. July 13, 2020.
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"DeSean Jackson accepts Holocaust survivor's offer to visit Auschwitz". NBC Sports. July 13, 2020.
[3]
Jack Nonnenmacher (August 3, 2020). "186 Steps and a Meeting between an NFL Player and a Holocaust Survivor". TAPinto.

Pls lmk your thoughts when you have an opportunity. Many thanks. 2603:7000:2143:8500:B040:B1C8:FF7:E85A (talk) 22:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll probably get onto this tonight. Schwede 66 22:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

That's awesome. Let me know what I can do to assist you. Thanks again. 2603:7000:2143:8500:F8E3:19AB:C0C8:8A87 (talk) 01:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I've reviewed the article (nice work!) and nominated it. How could you assist? Hm, do you know how to review DYK nominations? Schwede 66 08:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm happy to review a DYK nomination, though I may have a question or two along the way. Shall I just choose a DYK nomination and do the review? And let you know which I have done? Thanks. 2603:7000:2143:8500:F9DC:DA9F:DE64:B62C (talk) 05:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please. I'm most happy to look over your shoulder when you do a review and give guidance where needed. Do you know how to ping someone? Schwede 66 05:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I'm not sure whether you've kept an eye on the DYK nomination. It's already been improved. Pbritti was the reviewer and they said that they were most impressed with your work, and if you ever needed a hand, they'd happily help. Was the Eva Duldig nomination our previous collaboration? Schwede 66 05:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Great. I'll do one. Thanks again. I think I know how - just write their user name in brackets? Thanks for the note from Pbritti. Yes, Eva Duldig was our earlier collaboration. BTW, I was working a while ago on another article, that I at least think is interesting and perhaps may lend itself when I finish it to DYK, but I'm not yet certain. Perhaps if OK I'll run it by you when it's ready for someone to look at if that is ok.2603:7000:2143:8500:F9DC:DA9F:DE64:B62C (talk) 06:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure! Schwede 66 07:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

New idea for a possible DYK... If you think it makes sense, and would like me to try to review another's DYK nomination before I publish this, let me know and I will do that. (I seem to have let it slip last time).

Here is the draft:

Draft:Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission

And I was thinking a hook might read:

... after a deputy allegedly tased a woman, and then sent her a cake that said: "Sorry I Tased You" in blue frosting, the Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission placed him on probation?

Let me know your thoughts!

2603:7000:2143:8500:9897:7577:9278:A345 (talk) 04:58, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

That’s a great article and I really like that hook. Good work! Yes, why don’t you have a crack at a review. Send me a ping (do you know how to do that?) when you start the review and I can look over your shoulder to make sure that you cover everything. Schwede 66 07:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Ok. I just started to review Template:Did you know nominations/Jim Sheddan. Not sure if I know how to "ping" - is that just putting your user name in brackets? As to that article, one odd thing is it is - though a good article - primarily based on one source, which I thought was not preferred, and have seen a template in general against. Another - that seems to make review tougher, unless I just assume good faith, which perhaps is the answer. (one last thought on the above Mosberg hook in the prior DYJ - great it was published, but IMHO the hook that they(?) changed it from at the last moment would have attracted far more interest). 2603:7000:2143:8500:5942:2023:24C1:44D1 (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Pinging: yes, it's placing the user name in brackets like so [[User:Schwede66]] and placing a signature like so ~~~~ in the same edit; it doesn't work when you forget to sign and it won't work either when add the signature to an unsigned talk page contribution that's got the link to the user in it already. Both elements need to be placed simultaneously. But it's all good as I've watchlisted the nomination page. With regards to sources, I count six books, a newspaper reference and a London Gazette notice. Of the 21 individual citations, 12 are from one source, which leaves 11 others. That's absolutely fine. When sources are offline, you have to assume good faith. And with Zawed you can be sure that he's done a good job; he's an absolute expert military biographer. Given that the article has gone through a Great Article review, the content should be just fine. The biggest trap with GAs is to ensure that there is a reference for the hook fact. That reference may well be offline but it must be placed at the end of the sentence that mentions the hook fact. Having it at the end of the paragraph isn't good enough; it must directly reference the sentence in question (it's one of the niggly DYK rules). Not saying that's the case here (I haven't looked at the article); what I'm saying is that's the most commonly overlooked check when the nominated article is a new GA. Schwede 66 19:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

And with regards to hook changes, that's a process that often happens, either on the DYK talk page or at Errors. Nothing you can do about it. Schwede 66 19:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Wow. That's all very complete and helpful. Thanks.2603:7000:2143:8500:5942:2023:24C1:44D1 (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I did the QPQ as you know, but have not yet passed the article. Is it ok for me to now seek publication of my draft article, or should I wait until the QPQ issue is addressed? 2603:7000:2143:8500:4DF7:E350:D104:EEA (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

No need to wait; it's ok to publish it now. I'll nominate it later today. Schwede 66 22:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! 2603:7000:2143:8500:4DF7:E350:D104:EEA (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

I've published the article and nominated at DYK. Schwede 66 02:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, do you know that James McDowall an ACT MP maybe running in the by-election, because I have heard it on the news. Andrew King the former Hamilton mayor joined the National Party and he may be run for National candidacy. Villian Factman (talk) 14:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

When you have reliable secondary sources, you can amend the article. Schwede 66 17:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Kia ora Schwede66; I noted the conversation above about GA reviews. I'm keen to give one a try and would be really grateful for your assistance, if you're willing to /have capacity to be a sort of 2nd reviewer? I think the prose part will be easy, but MOS/policy compliance less so! Let me know how your availability would be over the next couple of weeks? Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, that would be a pleasure to work with you, Chocmilk03. Schwede 66 00:21, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I thought about Konzerthalle, Bad Salzuflen vs. Konzerthalle Bad Salzuflen. Konzerthalle means Concert hall, pretty generic, so we have to make a distinction, but the common name is certainly not the long name, although in this case it seems the official name. Once established, it's just Konzerthalle. We have other such thing: Konzerthaus, Tonhalle, Marktkirche, Kurhaus, you name it. The normal thing is to use the comma for a location disambigation. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Gerda, I had a look at a bunch of sources and the long name was the most common one. German's my mother tongue, although I don't speak it much these days! Schwede 66 07:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

No doubt that written sources will introduce it like that, but once established, it's just Konzerthalle, in sources and article. It has nothing to do with German, some Inventtown Concert Hall would be the same, that particular name or just Concert Hall, Inventtown. I though that "Bad Salzuflen" is pretty foreign to English-speaking readers, and if you grew up there, you may remember that even Germans don't agree on how to pronounce it, - therefore as little of it as possible made sense to me. If the common name would be 3 terms, we'd have to repeat those 3 for every mentioning, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

welcome to my existence! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Haha, yes, there's that. What do we actually do when there is nothing on offer? Go with a non-quirky? Schwede 66 07:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

yeah, I mean – if it can't be quirky, try to make the last hook just very good, or upbeat, I'd only provisionally. Only so much you can do from the back end. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Schwede66 Thanks for the note, why has the data been removed, is there a Wikipedia policy which states that it should not be on the article page? It is information about the relevant world championship listed and is valuable information. Racingmanager (talk) 11:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for DYK help, - part of the crew mentioned on my talk! - reformation and a cat treat -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Please see Category talk:Seamounts of New Zealand ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. ChaseKiwi, not sure whether you are asking me to do anything or are asking for advice. Could you please clarify? Schwede 66 23:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Asking for advice. Others have given it with far more brownie points than me but I still think they have created future difficulties for categorisation of volcanic activity on the seabed for those countries with volcanic activity in their continental shelf. ChaseKiwi (talk) 19:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok. ChaseKiwi, I suggest you think about a suitable category (run it by me here if you wish) including how it would fit into the category tree and once established, you simply recategorise the articles. That may leave an empty category behind and if so, that category would then be deleted. Schwede 66 20:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hey there, Schwede! This'd be too long for WT:DYK, but I'd argue that despite her broad appeal, pop music hooks tend to perform rather poorly at DYK – and Swift is no exception. Here are all of the Taylor Swift hooks I could find, going back to December 2021 – only "Should've Said No" beat the median, and it arguably wasn't even the best hook. Hope this provides some useful insight :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:06, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

theleekycauldron, wow, that’s really surprising. I had that quite wrong, didn’t I? Schwede 66 06:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

More information Article, Date ...

Article	Date	views	vph	DYK hook
I Bet You Think About Me	2021-12-06	1,655	137.9	... that the music video to "I Bet You Think About Me" by Taylor Swift is co-written and directed by Blake Lively in her directorial debut?
Fearless (Taylor Swift album)	2021-12-11	612	51.0	... that the title of Taylor Swift's 2008 album Fearless reflects Swift's attitude to embrace hardships in love and life?
This Love (Taylor Swift song)	2022-06-03	3,736	155.7	... that Taylor Swift initially wrote "This Love" as a poem, turning it into a song only when she came up with a melody?
Midnights	2022-09-18	3,389^[a]	141.2	... that Taylor Swift announced her upcoming album, Midnights, while accepting the 2022 Video of the Year award?
Should've Said No	2022-10-04	6,773	282.2	... that Taylor Swift said she wrote "Should've Said No" to address her "dramatic and crazy" experience?
The Last Time (Taylor Swift song)	2022-10-25	1,060	88.3	... that Taylor Swift got in touch with Gary Lightbody, with whom she collaborated on the song "The Last Time", through Ed Sheeran?

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It looks to me as if you swapped the entire history of Queues 2 and 7. Could you revert that please? When future DYK historians want to trace the history of a hook, they should find it in the page the bot says was used for updating the Main Page.

No objection to swapping the current versions, of course. —Kusma (talk) 19:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Just as a heads up, I just finished setting up December. Hoping I haven't managed to screw up the money day photos somehow. We had them going really well for a few months now. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 05:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Good to know. Thanks for letting me know, Adam Cuerden. I'll keep an eye on most of the main page queues; not sure whether you know that. Mostly just to catch redirects as I have a utility installed that highlights them. I do read many of the blurbs, though. BTW, I did suggest to consider moving the Template:POTD/2022-12-09 item to 15 January 2023 for the first anniversary of the eruption; I posted on the item's talk page. No response yet. Schwede 66 08:41, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Aye, that's why I thought you could use a heads up. Probably a good call to move it, though I shall have to make sure to fill in the gap soon. Not now; I just did all the bloody Wikipedia Signpost stuff because it publishes tomorrow. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.2% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600^th FP!} 02:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

You are doing excellent work, Adam Cuerden. Thank you. Schwede 66 03:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, had the Christchurch mosque shootings on my watch list and noticed what looked like the start of an edit war; I left a comment on one of the more experienced editors to nudge them in the direction of dispute resolution. But Instead, they just deleted the comment from their talk page. Is this standard behavior and as you are an administrator can you help resolve the situation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WWGB&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christchurch_mosque_shootings&action=history CoderThomasB (talk) 10:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WWGB&diff=1123176853&oldid=1123175446&diffmode=source CoderThomasB (talk) 11:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, this arrived after my bedtime, CoderThomasB. I see that the trouble maker, Joshville, has been warned and that the shenanigans have stopped for the time being. Schwede 66 18:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

obviously just a Kiwist denying that New Zealanders are more responsible for the attack than Australia was. the only thing Australia had to do with the attack is that he was born here, nothing else. Christchurch and Dunedin have enormous right wing presence, it was said that he was part of many WS groups around the South Island including Action Zealandia. therefore making NZs far-right politics more responsible for the attack. Joshville (talk) 07:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

This discussion should probably happen on the article talk page rather than a talk page of an unrelated user.

You can repost your comment here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christchurch_mosque_shootings CoderThomasB (talk) 07:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thanksgiving in the U.S. - Bach said it in music for peace. - Thank you for good work on DYK! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Schwede66:. I see you are an eminent wikipedian (222,698 edits!!!) and an administrator. I cannot claim leniency as a newby any more, but I am still on a long learning curve with regard to editing in Wikipedia (8,000-and-something edits). Thank you for your intervention on the article Henry Dillon, 13th Viscount Dillon. Being corrected, I suppose I did something wrong and can learn something from you. Also I would expect that your intervention improves Wikipedia in some way.

You changed the months used as inputs to the first and second parameters of the Age template in the first column of the Timeline table from abbreviated to full. Your edit summary reads "fixed dashes using User:Ohconfucius/dashes.js, script-assisted date audit and style fixes per MOS:NUM ". I note that you did not change the abbreviated months in the second column of this table, so your change, despite the edit summary, seems to have nothing to do with MOS:NUM, which I believe treats only with the visible content of Wikipedia, and has nothing to do with the correct uses of arguments for parameters in templates.

In some cases templates that take months or dates as input indicate explicitly in their documentation that they accept abbreviated month names; the Dts (Date table sorting) template does so. The documentation of the Age template does not state which month forms it accepts, but the use of abbreviated forms seems to produce correct results and does not throw errors. So why do you object? And where is the improvement? I have about 100 biographies with Timeline tables on my watch list and am hesitant to change them all unless I can see how this improves Wikipedia. Please forgive my audacity, perhaps I just do not have the level to understand what you are doing. Otherwise, perhaps I am seeing the results of an unwanted side-effect of a script that you are running whose real purpose is well what your edit summary states. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 14:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Greetings from downunder, Johannes Schade. The script that fixes date formats sometimes gets in a muddle when it deals with links and templates. That's the case here, but in 99% + of cases, it does get things right. There are a few niggles with this script and on the maintainers talk page, there is a list of those; some of those issues have been around for a long time. But all in all, it's a great tool. Back to our case, I've checked and it does not appear to affect the output of the age template. If I've got that wrong and it does display different now, please let me know and I'll go back and fix whatever it is that needs fixing. Schwede 66 22:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Schwede66:. Thanks for your careful reply. Your "correction" seems to be harmless. However, to a not so experienced Wikipedian like me, it looks as if you correct my contribution, especially seeing your edit count and the fact that you are an administrator. It feels like that you are telling me to change all month arguments in the Age template from the abbreviated to the full form of the month. You should not make edits that are not improvements to Wikipedia. Using a script does not free your from being responsible for your edits. I would say fix your script or stop using it or carefully check your edits manually before applying. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 08:51, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, Johannes Schade. It is absolutely correct that the edits to the Age template were not necessary and I apologise that I gave you the impression that you needed to change something when that was not the case. I may point out, though, that I also made two edits to the succession box (the boxes in the External links section). I changed spaced endashes to the unspaced version. That is something that you should change when you come across it. MOS:DATERANGE has the details but in a nutshell, when there is at least one spaces in a date range, you need to use a spaced endash. When there are no spaces (e.g. a range with just years as was the case here), it needs to be an unspaced endash. I hope that explains things more fully. Schwede 66 09:05, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Schwede66:. Thanks for mentioning your other two corrections, which I had not even seen. Unluckily it happens quite often to me that I do not scroll down to the end. They are of course valid and I try to do these things right. With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 20:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

"Please remove stub tags before nominating at DYK as we don't run stubs" I thought that I already removed them, but I see that I only removed it from the talk page. I obviously know that DYK doesn't run stubs. SL93 (talk) 01:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Nothing personal, SL93. I have a utility installed (link identifier) that identifies stubs. Every few days, I cast my eye over the nomination page to see whether any of the bold font items show up as stubs. And when they do, I either reassess them, or remove the stub tag, or both, with this being my standard edit summary. I didn't even look who nominated the article. Schwede 66 01:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Sorry about my mistake. SL93 (talk) 01:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

No drama at all. For most editors, it's probably an educational edit summary. Not for you, obviously, as you already well knew that. Schwede 66 01:31, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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Dear @Schwede66:. This regards the article Lucien Brouha. I am busy looking around for sources. Did you know he wrote a book? This is:

{{Cite book|last=Brouha |first=Lucien |date=1963 |orig-date=1st pub. 1960 |title=Physiology in Industry: Evaluation of Industrial Stresses by the Physiological Reactions of the workers |publisher=Pergamon Press Ltd. |location=Oxford |oclc=14475314 |url=https://www.google.com/books?id=1h8nAAAAMAAJ}} – (Snippet view)

Described as: xii, 164 pages illustrations It seems he wrote it while working for Aluminium Company of Canada. The director wrote the foreword (see https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abstract/19612700334). Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 22:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, that's interesting! Thanks for finding this, Johannes Schade; I had not come across this in my Google searches. I don't think it occurred to me to specifically look in Google Books. I see two books written in English and a further two in French. With my level of library access, I cannot get to the abstract. Is that something you could send by email? My Wikimail is enabled. Schwede 66 00:39, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I do not remember any more how I navigated to the "abstract". When I go there now, it asks me for a login. I think I was logged in at the Wikipedia Library (WP:TWL) when I could see it. –Besides, Vangrunderbeek can be read at TWL. I also found three reviews of Brouha's book at https://www.jstor.org/stable/27722287, https://www.jstor.org/stable/43425068, and at https://www.jstor.org/stable/27721739. All say it is not a textbook but rather a summary of the author's personal experience. –Besides, there are other Brouhas who must not be confused with "our" Lucien but may be family of his: Sharon S. Brouha is a professor in medicine at the University of California at San Diego. There is a Georges Brouha, curiously a rower in France. There is or was a Paul Brouha in Sutton Vermont. There is a Brook L. Brouha, a dermatologist in California. –"our" Lucien Brouha seems to have been appointed in January 1946 head of the "Département d'Hygiène et de Physiologie appliquée" of the Université Laval (Quebec).See https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/2679603 and https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/ri/1946-v1-n9-ri01297/1023953ar.pdf. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 20:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Johannes Schade, Brook L. Brouha's middle name is Lucien. I've tried to get in touch with him but he won't respond. Sharon S. Brouha is his wife. And Georges Brouha isn't a French rower, but that's a photo of our Lucien Brouha with his club member Jules George in France. Brilliant; I'll have a look whether the photo is out of copyright. Schwede 66 21:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

And with regards to George versus Georges, I should point out that User:Akadunzio is some kind of Belgian rowing historian who has renamed many Belgian rowers over the last couple of years. The user is not very communicative but when I challenged him on a few page moves, he had sources and was always correct. FISA and Olympedia haven't updated their records yet (FISA never will as they are hopeless; Olympedia no doubt will as their research team is really onto it – copy to Canadian Paul who gets them to action that). Schwede 66 22:57, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, Olympedia has updated its record already. In fact, they did so in August 2021; I checked with Canadian Paul. Schwede 66 02:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I just wanteded to tell you about three other possible useful sources (books):

The first book is about the Harvard Fatigue Laboratory:

{{Cite book|last1=Horvath |first1=Steven M. |last2=Horvath |first2=Elizabeth C. |date=1973 |title=The Harvard Fatigue Laboratory: Its History And Contributions |publisher=[[Prentice Hall]] |location=Englewood Cliffs, N. J. |isbn=0-13-384156-1 |url=https://archive.org/details/harvardfatiguela00horv/ |url-access=registration}}

On page 124 is a short biography of Lucien Brouha. He is often mentioned in this book, just make a search in the book. Many of his publications are listed in the references.

The second book is about and by the University of Liège. It consists of two volumes. The first volume is about the history:

{{Cite book|last=Demoulin |first=Robert |date=1967 |title=Liber memorialis L'Université de Liège de 1936 à 1966 Notices historiques et biographiques |volume=I |publisher=Liège, rectorat de l'Université |location=Liège |isbn= |url=https://www.google.com/books?id=S8AlkWam8-MC}} – (Snippet view)

I have been able to download this volume but do not remember from where.

Volume I mentions : page 220 Paul Brouha "fusillé à la Citadelle" page 246 Maurice Brouha (1875–1948) 1925 (in a list of professors; He became chargé de cours in 1925 see https://orbi.uliege.be/bitstream/2268/117723/2/Maurice%20Brouha_notice.necrologique_1875-1948.pdf) page 249 Lucien Brouha 1932 chargé de cours; 1938 professeur ordinaire; 1948 honorariat.

This is volume II:

{{Cite book|last=Demoulin |first=Robert |date=1967 |title=Liber memorialis L'Université de Liège de 1936 à 1966 Notices historiques et biographiques |volume=II |publisher=Liège, rectorat de l'Université |location=Liège |isbn= |url=https://www.google.com/books?id=n_2_kXgV0b4C}} – (Snippet view)

This volume contains the biographies. There is a biography of his father on pp 589 to 595, but nothing about "our" Lucien.

The third book is about Du Pont:

{{Cite book|last1=Hounshell |first1=David A. |last2=Smith |first2=John Kenly Jr. |date=1988 |title=Science and Corporate Strategy: Du Pont R&D, 1902–1980 |publisher==[[Cambridge University Press]] |Cambridge |isbn=0-521-32767-9 |url=https://www.google.com/books?id=6ld0K9VNpmIC}} – (Preview)

p 567 tells us that Brouha was hired in 1950 by stating "... to hire Lucien M. Brouha, a fifty-one year old physician and physiologist ..."

Page 567 also explains the platform or teeterboard about which some literature talks.

Page 569 seems to tell us that Brouhu lost his job at Du Pont in about 1960 due to cut backs on fundamental research. He seems then to have gone to a Canadian University.

Greetings, Johannes Schade (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Dear Schwede66, I found from where I downloded the liber memorialis volume 1: https://orbi.uliege.be/handle/2268/188260. The 2nd volume (biogrphies) is also there, simply: https://orbi.uliege.be/handle/2268/188261. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 21:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Schwede! I came across this decline and it got me thinking...Do you think we should start an RfC for thepersonage.com? That would be the way to get it listed at WP:RSP. I'd be happy to help with it if you want to do this. TheSandDoctor ^Talk 06:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks, TheSandDoctor. I've got too much on my plate as it is. I've never looked at how sources get added to that list but for such obvious cases, I'd be surprised if it even needed an RfC. Schwede 66 08:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Heya I have a query about an editor(a) who it seems after a disagreement has gone through another editors(b) history and marked pages which editor a deems are non-notable. Would this be targeting? Some of the articles are notable but not listed with the recent changes to WP:NCYC. How do I go about saving these articles as some of these riders are riding at the highest level for cycling and it seems counter productive that these are non-notable. Simply put I am asking advice for this situation and if what editor a did is correct. Paulpat99 (talk) 07:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

By your description, editor A is WP:WIKIHOUNDING, which is a serious offence that can result in a block. Have a read of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, Paulpat99. Step 1 is to name the behaviour. The ultimate step, if the issue doesn't resolve itself, is a report to Wikipedia:ANI. Schwede 66 08:48, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

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I just posted this: I hope I didn't technically WP:OUT you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:10, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

That’s ok; I chose to give them both real and user name. Will have a listen; was looking forward to it. Schwede 66 18:13, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Excellent balanced contribution in Stuff . Good to see the real "you"! Missing NZ but hope to be back in Diamond H sometime in January . Velella ^{Velella Talk} 11:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Having those journalists round for an afternoon was fun. Really nice guys. And what they’ve done with the material is primo. Great story telling. Happy homecoming! Schwede 66 15:57, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

I enjoyed reading it, good to see NZ Wikipedians getting some exposure! Zawed (talk) 23:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

I was looking at the upcoming Signpost issue, saw mention of this article and read it through, Schwede66. Sounds like drama I didn't even know about was going on in a corner of the project a few years ago! It's interesting to me how contentious spellings and diacritics have been throughout Wikipedia's lifetime, it might have even involved an arbitration case at some point. Any way, you represented the project very well in the interview, explaining policy in a way that made it sound reasonable and not wonky. Good job! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. Those journalists were seasoned professionals. Super-well informed. We chatted on the phone for an hour before they concluded it’s worth their while to come for a visit to make a proper podcast recording (it’s a mission to travel to the area where I live). They spent a whole afternoon with me and we went through their long list of questions based on our phone call. They were well prepared and obviously very intelligent. The write up is very good (only one blooper which they’ve since fixed, which is good going for a complex topic) but the podcast is quite something else. It’s a superb piece of work; was fun to listen to and see how they had used the interview material and turned it into an interesting story. Schwede 66 18:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Liz, could you please point me to the draft? Schwede 66 20:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, Donner60. Same to you. Schwede 66 21:14, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks, X750. Viele Grüße zurück! Schwede 66 02:13, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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Frohe Weihnachten und ein gutes neues Jahr, Gerda Arendt. Danke für alle Deine gute Arbeit; die vielen DYKs aber auch die netten Nachrichten, die Du für viele Wikipedianer (sagt man das so?) hast. Wir waren über Weihnachten wandern und ich habe gerade ein Foto hochgeladen. Unsere höchste Stelle war Gordons Pyramide (auf Commons kannst Du Dir angucken, welcher Hügel das ist). Viele Vögel haben für uns gesungen, hauptsächlich tūī und bellbirds. Schwede 66 03:42, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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