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before the question. Again, welcome! NicoPosner (talk) 02:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello Ms Welch. You have recently placed tags on the above article. While I agree with you that the references need improving I am puzzled by your desire for information from 'experts' on the subject when you have removed references and external links to definitive accounts by three world authorities on the subject namely Swami Sivananda, Swami Chidananda and Swami Vivekananda. Presumably you know that these are three of the most eminent yogis of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries? You removed external links to published works by two of them and relevant quotations from another - all of which clarify the subject matter of the article. 81.106.127.14 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:53, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi MsS. I'm happily surprised with your edits. Did you already know Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics? It's a hub for India-related questions and concerns; India-related articles tend to attract a lot of heated disputes. hope to see more of you.
I'd aso like to draw your attention to Template:Sfn; it's another way of providing references, with short notes in the txt, and a list of sources. See, for example, Hinduism.
Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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A sudden star at the Wiki-sky! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC) |
Saw Puruṣārtha. Kudos. Very nice work. Just 1 suggestion to keep in mind for next time. As per WP:OVERLINK, "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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Very gratefull for your valuable work. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC) |
+1. Fabulous work on Bhagavan. One more tip: always italicize texts names: for e.g. Vishnu Purana. --Redtigerxyz Talk 10:30, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Kaushitaki Upanishad. I will keep an eye on the nomination. Please let me know if you have any questions.--Redtigerxyz Talk 19:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Wondering what that stands for in your edit-summaries? Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 23:15, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
c/u = clean/up Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:44, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi I just noticed you added reference to ramayana at mandukya upanishad but if you observe the dates if the ramayana is dated around 4-5 BCE and mandukya is being dated same time!? (wonder they were googling then?) , some how its date mess but pretty better than 2-4 AD which was mentioned earlier can you fix this ? Shrikanthv (talk) 06:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
On 30 March 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kaushitaki Upanishad, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Kaushitaki Upanishad teaches that knowledge should be one's pursuit, not religious rituals? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kaushitaki Upanishad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ms Sarah Welch. I noticed that you removed qute some text from Adi Shankara, including the following block, witht he edit-summary "Rambhachan makes no mention of Shankara":
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I checked the source; Shankara is mentioned at least four times. What's more, the chapter is called "Vivekananda and Shankara." I think that an essential point is being made here, on the "method" of (Advaita) Vedanta. See also Anantanand Rambachan#Anubhava; Micahel Comans (1993), The question of the importance of Samadhi in modern and classical Advaita Vedanta, Philosophy East & West. Jan93, Vol. 43 Issue 1; and Neil Dalal (2009), Contemplative Practice and Textual Agency in Advaita Vedanta, Method and Theory in the Study of Religion 21 (2009) 15-27. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I came across this blog, with this interesting sentence: "Her studies of Hinduism have sought to recover the buried, heterodox Tantric tradition from under the weight of the orientalist's favourite form of Hinduism – Vedanta. For European orientalists, Vedantism was the closest to their own monotheism – a set of faith practices bourgeois in their mood and conduct. Tantrism – with its impurities of sex and diet – seemed out of favour." It seems to tune with my own (limited) understanding, that there is more to Hinduism than neo-Vedanta. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Hallo Ms sarah Welch. I need some explanation to understand the qualification of King as "primary opinion." Could you enlighten my mind? Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi MSW. I'm reading Eliot Deutsch's Advaita Vedanta: A Philosophical Reappraisal. Do you know how this book is "rated" in the schlarly community? Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:13, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
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One half for you, the other half for VictoriaGrayson, for your joint work on Yoga and the Yoga Sutras. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:28, 22 June 2015 (UTC) |
Once and a while, a big SIGH.... and keep up the good work! See also and . Best regards, no, high regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
This and this not OK, Sarah Welch. You are not following WP:CANVASS. You are repeating the same thing that you did on Template:Hindu Philosophy, canvassing and scuttling the normal process of consensus building. You cannot gang up like this and seek support for your biased and disruptive edits. Hope good sense prevails. -Mohanbhan (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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The India-Pakistan arbitration amendment request, which you were listed as a party to, has been archived to [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan. Thank you. For the Arbitration Committee, Jim Carter 06:27, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
I sense some growing irritation...
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:25, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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Please see edit war at Brahma pageVictoriaGraysonTalk 18:59, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Per this, I suggest you don't post to the editor's talk page regarding the changes you're making. It is better to do it at the article talk pages as it will be seen by other interested editors, so you may want to do that instead. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 19:45, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
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Sarah Welch, you must first understand what constitutes incivility. Your behaviour matches with every single instance of uncivil behaviour mentioned there including name calling, inappropriate and repeated use of warning templates, and repeated copy-pasting of out-of-context comments made on different forums. The tone of your comments is unprofessional, mocking and condescending even when you are at fault and have brazenly misquoted citations or modified them to suit your purposes. You have been warned many times for breaching WP:Civil, and for using talk pages (the last being the talk page of Allama Prabhu) to make personal attacks. So please do not write on my talk page. Please see WP:TALKNO. Violating this may lead to you being blocked. -Mohanbhan (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
@Mohanbhan: I am puzzled by your accusation of TAGTEAM against @Joshua Jonathan and I, today. It is uncivil for reasons explained on WP:TAGTEAM page, and inappropriate on an article's talk page. On Allama Prabhu talk page, this is not the first occasion of your personal attacks and uncivil behavior. You did this here where you questioned my ethics when you were clearly at fault and misreading the source. And here on September 20, where you wrote, "Edit-warring and POV-pushing (as demonstrated on innumerable talk pages) are your specialty Sarah Welch... (...)... Also, I think I am reminding you for the nth time to stick to the topic of discussion instead of making personal comments.", accusations which are inappropriate for an article's talk page (WP:TPNO).
This is a repeat of your past behavior, elsewhere on wiki pages:
You have been engaging in an edit war on the Sikhism talk page, going against majority viewpoint, inserting your own biased views. On top of it, you have have the temerity to go to another user's talk page and warn him about edit warring!! Please stop this uncivilized behavior, as multiple editors have noted against you above also. Js82 (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I'll have a closer look later, but at first sight s82's reaction seems to be overdone. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I see several things here:
So, to summarize:
This is not an edit-war by MSW, this is POV-pushing by Js82. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ms Sarah Welch. I've taken the liberty to add MiszaBot to your talkpage, for automatic archivation. In about 8 hours some older threads will be archived. If you don't want this, please let me know, or simply revert my previous edit. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:38, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be explained that temple murtis are installed by sthapana and prana pratishta rituals, which are a type of homam?VictoriaGraysonTalk
Forsthoefl (2005), Weaving the inward thread to awakening, in Gurus in America:
Back at solid academical ground, incorporating cultural contexts and historical developments. Thanks! (I feel like a bulldog; bite and don't let go, 'till you've got all the details right. Familiair feeling, isn't it?) Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:09, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar:, @Joshua Jonathan:, @Abecedare: Is there a wiki tool or updated wiki page maintained by someone to find a list of moderate to higher traffic (>250 average views a day) Hinduism philosophy-related articles that are largely unreferenced/poor quality and need attention? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Please open the first reference as www.kapillavastu.com and check it, also 2nd refernce is a reliable Certificate issued by Indian Govt. UGC approved Yoga University S-VYASA.
Also the Chancellor Dr. H R Nagendra who issued the referenced certificate is the Yoga Consultant of India's Prime Minister Modi which I think should be a reliable source, see this link, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/world/asia/prime-minister-modis-yoga-consultant-hr-nagendra.html?_r=0
And the person in the Youtube video is the Director of the famous Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi, which I think should be a reliable source, please see this link, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_P._Bhatkar
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prateekbudhwar (talk • contribs) 15:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: With your interest in minor Upanishads, how about Pranagnihotra Upanishad? This is an interesting minor Upanishad, which describes human body to be a temple, eating, drinking water and taking care of it to be yajna offerings to it, that hope, love, emotions and virtues such as non-violence are expressions of worship, desire/cravings/anger is what must be sacrificed, that all Vedic gods are inside a living body working harmoniously as aspects of Brahman, the soul-life force (prana), etc. The rituals on eating, suggested Paul Deussen, may have affected, or were affected by, eating rituals of ancient/medieval Hindu society (washing hands, rinsing mouth, being thankful to whatever is on one's plate, etc).
I have the Mahanarayana Upanishad manuscripts and translation with me now, but probably will work on summarizing it in its wiki article in December. I will be away in Africa for few weeks starting this weekend. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Since you have deep knowledge of Hinduism can you resolve the debate here Template:Did you know nominations/Varaha Upanishad. Thanks--Nvvchar. 05:14, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: I just looked at some completed articles, including the Narayana draft. It can be significantly improved, and should be. I am particularly concerned about the quality of sources, about layout where all chapters of a minor Upanishad are combined into one motley mass, and about balance issues. I urge that you consider relying on Deussen's translations of 47 minor Upanishads, Aiyar's 30 (with Alex Wayman's notes and review of some), Easwaran's 4, and Olivelle's recent work on Upanishads. I will clean up and add to two you mention, in next week or few, [1] the Narayana Upanishad - it is really small with 5 short chapters, and [2] Mahanarayana Upanishad - it is long (64 to 80 chapters), with several recensions/versions of manuscripts known, but it is somewhat related to Narayana Upanishad. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:04, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: [1] Rely on Olivelle's 20 translations of Samnyasa Upanishads (all minor), because there are many inconsistent manuscripts, and we must use the most scholarly critical edition of the manuscripts known, which is what Olivelle's 1992 book does. See Oxford University Press published ISBN 978-0195070453. [2] For chronology and dating, rely on Joachim Sprockhoff's work in 1970s-1980s for minor Upanishads - an indispensable scholarly work. Most of this was, unfortunately, published in German (unless you can read German). I tried to find English translations for you, but no luck so far. Schrader's publications on minor Upanishads are also useful in this regard. Here is summary from Olivelle (1992, page 9): Asrama (300 CE), Naradaparivrajaka (1150 CE), Satyayaniya (1200 CE), most other 17 Samnyasa are from 14th or 15th century CE. [3] The wiki Upanishads article's classification of the minor Upanishads with Vedas etc has some errors, which I will try to fix and update to the latest scholarship, with recent WP:RS. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:49, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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NB: any suggestions for literature on Tamil Saivism & bhakti in recent times? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan: Tamil Saivism suggestions,
I had posted some leads on your talk page, @JJ, for Tamil Saiva influence on southeast Asia and Saivism-Buddhism syncretism – worth a look, as it is indeed fascinating from cultural-historical perspectives. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
@JJ: Bhagavan does not always mean God incarnate, just "revered, venerable, divine person" in many Indian texts. Buddha is referred to as Bhagavan in non-theistic Buddhist texts. True for many Hinduism texts too. Guru is, similarly, a multidimensional concept, and the reverence for a spiritual teacher by some may appear like bhakti, but that does not necessarily imply dualistic acceptance of god or Guru as incarnate. The Sharma's 2-page summary I mentioned in RamanaM section above, discusses Shaivism in the chapter, but does not link RamanaM to Shaivism. RamanaM's devotional religiosity mirrors some old Advaita texts, but the "free from thoughts" is muddled presentation, because that isn't in Shankara and voluminous Advaita literature that followed. They state, "Think, Understand, Uncover, Realize and Be", "Bhakti is unnecessary, at best a means for some", etc.
The Shaivism list above covers 19th and 20th century, but I don't believe they mention RamanaM. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan:, @VictoriaGrayson: Do you have any plans to work the Lingayatism and Shaivism articles? Other than unsourced or non-RS sections, the two articles at least need sections on their philosophy, ideas, related history, their relationship with other Indian traditions. What else? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:43, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
THIS is the most important source on Saivism.VictoriaGraysonTalk 07:25, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Ms Sarah Welch. The following articles that you've either created or significantly contributed to: have been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 14:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC) |
On 23 November 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bhikshuka Upanishad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to the Bhikshuka Upanishad, the ascetic lifestyle of four types of monk includes eating eight mouthfuls of food a day? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bhikshuka Upanishad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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Yes, keep getting the Sikhism page protected, so you and your comrades can freely spread all the blatant lies that you want to. Here is one example, for Mr. Spiff, Mr. Kautilya, and others to glean over: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sikhism&diff=689612566&oldid=689611396 This edit was posted to clarify the context (from the source) of some text added by Sarah Welch earlier the same day, very cleverly without any context. However, she and Josh Jonathan just reverted it, crying unsourced (It is unimaginable to fathom that Sarah Welch really thought it is unsourced. Why? Because, in the source, this context immediately follows the very sentence that Sarah Welch had inserted a few hours ago). How can someone have the audacity to spread such brazen lies ? Is there any accountability here ? Here is proof that the content was sourced: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22are+cared+for+in+Hindu+temples.+it+is+not+unusual+to+find+such+practices+denounced+in+sikh%22 https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22it%20is%20not%20unusual%20to%20find%20such%20practices%20denounced%20in%20sikh%22 https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22The+Gurus+and+the+Book+deserve+the+respect+they+are+accorded+because+of+the+bani%22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.42.111 (talk) 04:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC) |
Fresh air please; where's the window? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
More personal attacks by 2607:FB90:2272:1E63:0:2E:4968:7801, @172.56.42.111, @67.164.86.112, @Js82 |
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lol..comrade to the rescue. Nothing better expected. Post blatant lies while no one is watching, operate in a herd to get others blocked, and keep motoring along on your own merry way ! Zero honesty and credibility. Lowest among the lowest level one can imagine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:2272:1E63:0:2E:4968:7801 (talk) 06:45, 4 December 2015 (UTC) |
@Js82: You have been personally attacking numerous admins and many editors, for months now. The above against @JJ, one of the respected editors on Indian religions-related topic, reflects on you, rather than him or wikipedia. You have been warned, given many chances, finally blocked, yet you return using different IPs. Your behavior is not constructive. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
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Yes, the fact that you and your accomplices are caught lying blatantly, and do not show any remorse, reflects on others, it does not reflect on you. Lie blatantly, get others blocked, operate in herds and show zero remorse when exposed. Zero honesty and absolutely zero class. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:fb90:4882:da86:0:23:c512:f901 (talk • contribs) 6 december 2015 |
@Drmies, Bishonen, SpacemanSpiff, and RegentsPark: can one of you please put some protection on this page? Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Pretty much debunks Indology.VictoriaGraysonTalk 20:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
On 29 November 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Devi Upanishad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Devi Upanishad reveres Devi (pictured), the Hindu goddess, as the highest principle and ultimate truth in the universe? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Devi Upanishad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Continuum Companion to Hindu Studies specifically recommends "Saiva Age" by Sanderson:
page 136:.......an even longer and more recent one, ‘The Śaiva Age: The Rise and Dominance of Śaivism During the Early Medieval Period’ (2009) is far wider in scope yet (more so than the title might at first suggest) and can be recommended as perhaps the best single starting place for a student wishing to familiarize himself with the Tantric traditions.
VictoriaGraysonTalk 06:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
See WP:ANI#Book spam. I'm concerned about all these date changes made by this editor using a generalist text book. Doug Weller (talk) 08:45, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
The Hinduism Award | ||
Many articles on my watchlist are flooded by your constructive edits. Your transformation of major Hinduism articles like Hindu deities, Devi, Parvati, Women in Hinduism, Murti, Yajna as well as your work on various ancient texts like Upanishads, Puranas, Arthashastra is praiseworthy. A Barnstar long overdue. Kudos Redtigerxyz Talk 17:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC) |
The grids may be considered a violation of Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Image_galleries. Too many images leads to slow loading of the article; galleries are generally avoided and individual images or montages preferred instead. So I replaced the avatar grid with a single image with Dashavatara. I am replacing the opening grid with the earlier single image. Similar or repetitive images like the yantras are avoided. So Sri yantra, the most important of the yantras, was used as a representative. I strongly recommend removing "Early surviving art" in Major regional and pan-Indian Hindu deities and reducing to 1 image of the deity. A grid like the one in "Characteristics of Vedic era deities" is a good illustration of where a grid is really needed and adds to encyclopedic value. You are free to replace images I added, keeping the image policy in mind. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
There is a Hindu trinity of Surya-Agni-Indra. There is also a trinity of Balarāma-Ekānaṃśā-Kṛṣṇa (read Kiss of the Yogini). Both of these are earlier than the Trimurti. Then there is a trinity of Mahālakṣmī, Mahāsarasvatī, and Mahākālī (see Kiss of the Yogini). So one cannot describe Trimurti as "the Hindu Trinity".VictoriaGraysonTalk 01:25, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
@Ms Sarah Welch: But remember the closest Buddhism to medieval Indian Buddhism is Tibetan Buddhism and Newar Buddhism, not Thai Buddhism. VictoriaGraysonTalk 19:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
On 4 December 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Narayana Upanishad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Narayana Upanishad states that one who worships with the mantra "Om Namo Narayanaya" goes to Vishnu's heaven, and becomes free from birth and saṃsāra? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Narayana Upanishad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
The Award of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service | |
Ms Sarah Welch, for the outstanding harmonic combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service in your recent contributions on Hinduism articles and in particualr for collaborating with me on some of the articles like Sariraka Upanishad, Pranagnihotra Upanishad, Bhikshuka Upanishad, Devi Upanishad, Maitreyi, and many more to come. Thank you and cheersNvvchar. 05:32, 13 December 2015 (UTC) |
As a Buddhist, I prefer Gaudapada's view since he is the closest to Buddhism.VictoriaGraysonTalk 17:59, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Brahman + Madhyamaka = Gaudapada.VictoriaGraysonTalk 19:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
Now that Bhikshuka Upanishad has appeared on DYK main page, do you want me to post it on GA, and also Devi Upanishad which has also appeared on DYK. I was busy whole of last month with Wikipedia: November 2015 project where I posted 55 articles of 33 countries. I am now fairly free to do any other Upanishad of your choice.--Nvvchar. 07:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: Before Avyakta, lets focus on those minor Upanishads for which good sources and translations are readily available: [1] Deussen's 47 minor Upanishads; [2] Easwaran's minor 4, [3] Aiyar's minor 30 (with Alex Wayman's notes and review of some); [4] Olivelle's 20 minor Samnyasa Upanishads; and [5] Ayyangar's 20 minor Yoga Upanishads. Some of these already have wiki articles, thanks to you; yet many remain. Of these, the ones that interest me more are the Yoga, Samnyasa and Samanya Upanishads, such as Pranagnihotra Upanishad. I will help along, when I can. Yes, please feel free to list any post-DYK articles for GA review, where appropriate. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: Your "55 articles on 33 countries" accomplishment is amazing!! Cheers, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 10:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: Done. Please review, revise and move the page out of your sandbox. Shall we pick Maitreya Upanishad next? It is one of the Sannyasa Upanishads. Or any from Yoga Upanishads group? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:02, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar:: How about ALT1: ...that the "Hinduism text Pranagnihotra Upanishad asserts all the gods are enclosed in the human body"; ALT2: ... that the "Pranagnihotra Upanishad title literally means sacrifice offered to the fire (pictured) of life-force inside oneself"; ALT3: that the "Pranagnihotra Upanishad discusses one to emancipate himself and to realize the transcendent (God) exclusively by himself and in himself." Am I exceeding character or word limit in DYK guidelines? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:33, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: Some good scholarly sources on Maitreyi include [1] Arthur Basham's books on ancient India, Oxford University Press; [2] Joel Brereton (2006), The Composition of the Maitreyi Dialogue in the Brhadaranyaka Upanisad, Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 126, No. 3, pages 323-345; [3] Shoun Hino's book on 8th-century Suresvara's Vartika on Yajnavalkya-Maitreyi Dialogue, Motilal Banarsidass; [4] Altekar (1959), Educational and Intellectual Methods in Vedic and Ancient Indian Cultures, Journal of World History. Maitreyi is mentioned and revered in Asvalayana Grhya Sutras 3.4 and Sankhayana Grhya Sutras 4.10 as a scholar, but I need to find a verifiable source that I can recommend. With the four sources above, consider updating the article and improving the summary of the Maitreyi-Yajnavalkya dialogue, from Maitreyi's perspective, given it is an article on Maitreyi. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:13, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: I am done with my revisions to Maitreyi. On Maitreya Upanishad, in addition to Olivelle, see notes by Max Muller (pages xliii-xlvi); both have been well cited. I suggest, in this and other Upanishad articles, we check and avoid source(s) where there is no evidence that any respected scholar has ever cited that source. An WP:RS-based encyclopedic stub is better than incorrect or misinforming encyclopedic article. After Maitreya, would you be interested in starting/revising the minor Yoga Upanishads? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:54, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
On 16 December 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sariraka Upanishad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Sariraka Upanishad, a Hindu text on human physiology (pictured), states that the body is a composite of constituent elements, and that the soul, or jiva, is "the lord of the body"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sariraka Upanishad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Redtigerxyz Talk 18:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
It is levels of truths, not realities.VictoriaGraysonTalk 20:41, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
@Vic: I started reading, came across Wilhelm Halbfass. Then stopped. Halbfass edited, Philology and Confrontation: Paul Hacker on Traditional and Modern Vedanta, which has an intro on Paul Hacker, including a bit on his personal life (conversion from Protestantism to Catholicism in 1962). Since you insist, I will read the rest of that PDF. For Three levels of Reality, see Bina Gupta and others I mentioned. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Keep up the good work!
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:17, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I have text of Maitreya Upanishad of Samaveda which deals with sage Sakayanya in three chapters and not Matreyi Upanishad,Nvvchar. 11:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
I have started this User:Nvvchar/Maitreya Upanishad. I have also completed this Mantrika Upanishad, which you may like to add and edit.Nvvchar. 16:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: Mantrika Upanishad is also called Culika (चूलिका) Upanishad. Mircea Eliade, Paul Deussen and others have written about this theistic Yoga upanishad, under Culika name. Did you consider these sources? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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Nvvchar. 01:31, 24 December 2015 (UTC) |
Hello, Ms Sarah Welch. Pranagnihotra Upanishad, an article you either created or significantly contributed to, has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 02:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC) |
@Nvvchar: Note that the "Om! May He protect..." etc at start and end of each Upanishad is an artifact of the website that hosts Aiyar translation, and it is not in the manuscripts. Instead of the celextel.org website (questionable reliability/stability), consider Aiyar's book as source. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: I suggested ALT2 and ALT3 for Mantrika. Please review and revise. I will work on Yogatattva. Any suggestion for hooks in Yoga-kundalini? Another article for Redtigerxyz and your help in its expansion: Yoga Yajnavalkya. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:02, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
...that Yoga-Kundalini Upanishad is an important text in Tantra, to the Shakti tradition of Hinduism, considered a foundational text of Kundalini Yoga (pictured)?
Alt1 ... that the analogy made in Yoga-kundalini Upanishad is that the practice of Yoga lights knowledge in the same way as fire in logs of wood is raised with churning?
@Nvvchar: I am done with the Yogatattva Upanishad article. Please review and revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:49, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
... that the Yogatattva Upanishad as expounder of Vedanta philosophy is devoted to elaboration of the meaning of Atman through the process of yoga (pictured)6t5, starting with the syllable Om?
ALT1 ... that Vishnu explains in the Yogatattva Upanishad (pictured a yoagasana) that maya or illusion is the cause of all happiness and sorrow and its influence could be overcome only by detachment to life’ cycle?
@Nvvchar: I checked the ALT1 wording for Yogatattva in the sources, and I couldn't find adequate support. Here are my suggestions: ... that the Hindu text Yogatattva Upanishad states in Yoga (pictured), of the ten restraints moderate food is most important, and of the ten observances, non-violence is most important. ALT1: ... that Vishnu states in the Yogatattva Upanishad (pictured a yogasana) that all souls are snared in the cycle of worldly pleasures and sorrow of Maya, and Yoga frees one from this cycle? ALT2: ... that the Yogatattva Upanishad expounds the Vedanta philosophy of Hinduism stating that both Yoga (pictured) and Knowledge are essential for Moksha (liberation and freedom)? Are these within the character limit? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 06:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Ms Sarah Welch, please discuss on talk page before reverting and getting into edit war. You do not decide which site is reliable. Yogee23 (talk) 06:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
On 30 December 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pranagnihotra Upanishad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Hindu text Pranagnihotra Upanishad asserts that all the gods are enclosed in every human body? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pranagnihotra Upanishad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Hello, Ms Sarah Welch. Maitreya Upanishad, an article you either created or significantly contributed to, has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk!) 02:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC) |
I have added some text from the only source I could get Google Books. As I do not have any of the books referred in the article, can you lead me to the url which gives the complete text o that I can add to the contents. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 02:02, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar:: I am done with my edits to YY. Please review and revise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:09, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
... that the Yoga Yajnavalkya describes yoga (pictured) as the effort to focus the prana in the body, whereas it is normally in dispersed condition?
ALT1 ...that Yagnavalkya states in the Yoga Yajnavalkya that he was taught Yoga (pictured) by Brahma enlightening him on Jnana (knowledge) and Karma (religious works such as yajna)?
You may also pl look into this Template:Did you know nominations/Mantrika Upanishad. Thanks.Nvvchar. 13:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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