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Is there any way we can edit the Ort in Deutschland template so that Web sites with long names don't make the infobox get wide? This would mean that we could include the whole address without having an aesthetically unpleasant effect. Ksnow (talk) 08:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)Ksnow

Yes, I finished Rhineland-Palatinate, and Saarland is done. I am working on Saxony. Ksnow (talk) 17:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)Ksnow

Any more cities need to be done?

Do any more cities or municipalities in any other countries need to be done? Anything that Autowiki browser would help at as in the past? Wikidudeman ^(talk) 21:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hungary. Editorofthewiki 11:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Menneville, Aisne Tagged for Speedy Deletion

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There are a huge amount of French communes missing aren't there!!! We don't need people taggin them like above. Are you going to set them all up? I'll give you a hand ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 21:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yep theres a huge amount missing, after you;re Herculean effort with Germany and then Austria/Switzerland I wasn't sure!!! But I'm sure we can get it done between the few of us. There are a handful of other editors who are gradually doing it. User:Olivier, myself and a number of others. At present I'm just helped set up 50 new WIkiProjects for Africa and am rather busy at present but I'll add some when I have time. I had begun wroking through Ain and aimed to go through alphabetically so I know what's done. Stubbing them, without an infobox is quicker I agree!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 22:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats great. I've seen at least another three editors regularly doing them too. AWB is probably the best way to get the pages up and running. Infoboxes can be added later. Some of the French sites have a lot of info on the communes too. Definately worth doing -if you could gradually work through them in alpha order I know where we are also. There are also hundreds of agglomeration articles missing -you know the cluster communes like there were with Germany ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 22:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC). What are you talking about? It doesn't make any difference ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 14:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter does it? . The most important thing is that thes epages are started and can then be built upon. Am I missing something valuable here? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 14:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahh I'm with you now thanks. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 15:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes it would be great if you could sort out the double links so that we can go through and not have to dig out the wrong links. I am working through methodically through the departments alphabetically. If you could kind of help clear the pathway for me you wouldn't need to go back and find the doubles afterwards. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 16:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Samber

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Rivers of Romania

I am still compiling the data on rivers. When I will get all the basic information in place I will sort it out. The figures you indicate cannot be applied identically to all countries or all rivers. The size of the tributaries cannot be the same for the Mississippi and for the Mureş, neither can the localities. There are also other criteria for which rivers might be important, except their discharge. Just give me time to finish. I have not yet worked on the discharge data.Afil (talk) 17:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Cher communes

hi. I see you are creating articles for Cher communes. I've got no problem with the very basic info you are giving, but others might have. Perhaps you could provide a little more info as in Cantigny, Somme? Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, as I said, I've not got a problem. :-)) Mjroots (talk) 18:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Unapproved bot.

You appear to be using your content as a bot, in violation of WP:BOT. Please, stop using your main account as a bot until it is approved.

If your bot is approved, please make sure it is flagged as a bot and listed on Wikipedia:Bots/Status. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 05:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't quite get the message you put on my talk page. I can assure you that I'm not a bot, and that I don't use automation tools for my edits (except AWB for minor things, replacements etc.). Markussep ^Talk 10:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That's difficult for me to believe, considering your contributions list. First, you've only made edits on the very narrow subjects of European athletes and European geography, and your edits often follow certain patterns:

i.e.

You're generating full articles of content at an astounding speed and you aren't involved in that much actual discussion. So far, you've made roughly 1,500 comments on talkpages, while making roughly 42,000. Even if you're doing this manually, please stop. By flooding Wikipedia with so much content without discussion, you don't give users a chance to collaborate to dispute whether certain European athletes or European geography is notable.

And if you're not using an automation tool, then where are you copying this material from? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 10:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Most of the folks seem to think I'm just paranoid and I'm willing to let it go, but I will say, though: What you're doing is bad for Wikipedia. Bots which generate geographical directories are bad enough. Even if you're doing it manually, it's just as bad. You've added tons of stuff that it would take years to pick through, just to read it all, to see if it's notable or encyclopedic. That's not really in the spirit of "collaboration," and I don't understand why you'd do this. But you can do whatever you want, I guess, and I'll just have to let it go. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 10:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't stop your excellent work. Perhaps Zenwhat hasn't seen that you actually do return to your stubs and add infoboxes and other useful information, and that it doesn't take long to figure out that real villages are notable and encyclopedic... Happy editing, Kusma (talk) 10:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Actually all my edits he listed above (the pinkish collapsed thing) are additions of infoboxes to articles. I guess there's no way of pleasing him, so I won't try to. Markussep ^Talk 11:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

• He does a excellent work. He returns to his sites and he takes care on his sites. I think he is a wikiholic not a robot. Unvelieveable to read how much he is doing! The only point I dislike: Somebody is doing the job (on geographical sites for example) and the public link placed in the infobox is a other one. So third parties are the winners, my own work may is a gift for a competitor! Whats the problem if he is able to Copy and Paste in his articles? Everybody can do this on his own PC too and will do it approximately in the same time! --Atyx (talk) 09:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

comment: this remark of Atyx is about Wolkersdorf im Weinviertel, and what external link should be in its infobox. Markussep ^Talk 09:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes Mr. wikiholic! :-) --Atyx (talk) 09:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Missed one!

Ault, Somme has been missed! Typical, as I have a bit of info to add in on that one! Mjroots (talk) 22:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, I thought you were doing Somme. It's Dickeybird who has been doing the Somme communes. Mjroots (talk) 23:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

We'll get France nailed soon. I'm off next week and will be able to spend evne more time stubbing. Its about time they were blue linked. Then the infoboxes can be added and articles developed. I think we're making good progress ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 22:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi can you fix the links for Communes of the Lot-et-Garonne department thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 00:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Did you fix the links for Lot-et-Garonne? I left that one as there were so many links that needed sorting ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 15:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes that department had a great deal more double links than normal. I'll try to do that later. I'm making good progress anyway 15:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk • contribs)

WOLKERSDORF IM WEINVIERTEL

From now on I denie wikipedia to use my text and my pictures for this article. Sorry but if wikipedia takes my time and my work without a minor effect for me this is not my thing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atyx (talk • contribs) 23:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Voluntary work

• • • If you think doing voluntary work without reward equals being cheated, that's your problem, not wikipedia's. Markussep Talk 00:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC) ***

Meanwhile, just for your information, the german Parliament is discussing voluntary work. People, still 40 years old, working as volunteers since the the left from university, did never a get salary as normal worker.

And did you know that 16 Million germans are working for less than € 5,-- a hour? A woman, working as hairdresser was shown on SAT TV, is earning € 3,25 per hour!

So what is the problem if I request my url as main url in the infobox on a wikipaedia site I created with your help? Wid did the job together, I offer you € 1,625 for your voluntary work! :-))

--Atyx (talk) 09:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Overestimate my work? Sure not *g*

To make my City map takes much time. I´m proud I did it - but I dont think I'm the greatest, just feeling well I did it - nobody else did it since 2002 and guess why. I know too much about Internet and all the new technics to overestimate something in this field.

Translate the german article, no problem for me, go ahead but close my article forever in this case even if it is gest of courtesy.

I'm also loosing interest in discussing this issue but wikipedia should take this seriously. No problem to place a link on my HP to the public HP - not as a gest of courtesy just to make the decision for wiki easier. --Atyx (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Stubs

I kindly ask you to stop creatin one-lined stubs about villages. It does us absolutely no help by saying "ABC is a village and commune in the XYZ département of France." and telling us to see the French article. If you want to have an article on the places, I ask that you take a few moments to translate some information from the French article either from the text or the infobox when creating an article here. In its current state, articles such as Goulet, Orne really aren't telling readers anything. Before going on to making another stub, give the coordinates, population, etc. rather than bluntly telling others to see the French article. Thanks, Reywas92^Talk 14:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the editsummary was a little off - but the stub creation is no problem at all in fact rather a short stub than nothing as this makes it a lot easier to disambiguate incoming links. Agathoclea (talk) 15:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I realize that there is more to come and this is only the first step, but I really think that an article should be of reasonable length and be on the second step before moving on to the next article. Cheers, Reywas92^Talk 15:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Did you know that the infoboxes on the French Wikipedia can be transferred here? Just copy and paste it from the French article to the English article. I have already done so at Saint-Pierre-d'Entremont, Orne. I would really appreciate it if I could really learn something from these rather just being told where it is, and the infobox helps. Reywas92^Talk 15:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

French communes

I'll give it a shot, but I probably won't be able to do many today; while I'm at home I'm on dialup, which makes heavy editing a chore. Besides which, we're supposed to be switching over to high-speed tomorrow, which means that I have to switch the computer tonight, so I won't have much time for editing.

I'll try and get the bulk of what's left done either Friday or Saturday, once I have access to a high-speed connection and some time on my hands. Sorry I can't be of more use today. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent - enjoy le beau pays, mon vieux. I for my part will see what I can do this weekend. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

OK - I'll do some mopping up in the near future. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your support. It can get pretty infuriating the consistent negative messages that seem to collect on my talk page with all the work that we do, at times this site is the last place I want to be. Anyway as there aren't too many left to do now I'll create them with an infobox until they are completed. Then I think it should be a priority to add the infboxes and some basic details and try to sort out a map that can automatically be sorted for each one. Best regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 19:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

That would be awesome. I've done the same with over a hundred countries worldwide so most places can have a map. I really dislike the funny one we've got at present -too complicated. Oh the irony of you visiting France. Remember to take some photos!!! Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 19:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes I much prefer the actual map rather than the bland one they use over on french wiki. I was talking about the way it has to be pinned. I think that map is very attractive -just needs to be made automatic , or made like the infobox settlement e.g like Abaw -where you enter the coordinates normally and it displays on the map ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 19:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Tisza subbasin

The rivers of Romania are officially grouped in river subbasins. One of those is called the Tisa-Iza-Vişeu subbasin. Merging this with other subbasins, such as the Tisza, practically eliminates this information which is essential. It does not have only geographic but also administrative implications. River basin agencies exist in other countries too, therefore the issue is not related only to Romania. But in each country, just as the adminstrative departments or counties have to be taken into account, the official river basin division have also to be respected. It would be wrong to make rules of our own.Afil (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I have posted my comments, but still fail to see your point. The Tisza River category has only a few big tributaries, the same as the Loire. Afil (talk) 18:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

French commune completion

Hi I think I finished starting them all today. unless I am mistaken Communes of the Somme department is the only one left but i can see someone is adding infoboxes type articles to that department so I didn't want to intrude. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 22:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thats great I thought it had been done already though!! I#m gradually adding infoboxes and images to Yvelines first but it won't dominate my time on here. It will be a gradual thing and would be great if when you have sorted Germany and Austria if you could help. If I see other editors adding them I feel encouraged and vice versa. Cheers ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 15:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that map looks fine ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I haven;t been doing much on here today. COuld you show me an example on an existing article? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Anyway you can fix the french commune box so it shows automatically? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 18:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Very good - I think it'll be a great help. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Kyrgyzstan

You;ve been there several times? How unusual! Looks a beautiful country . Well I do work on countries all over the world. I;ve managed to stub the districts today but frightfully little is available in english.I suggested to a user to add some places; we had about ten articles and now we have about 520 towns and villages!! There is so much missing it is quite insane. Here are some of the districts I;ve managed to start to date:

♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 16:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Given the large sizes of some of these places potentially ther emust be an enormous amount that could be writen about them which looks pathetic at present. If only we could access everything in english!!! Imagine what you'd find at Bishkek library for Kyrgyz stuff ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 16:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I can tell it is an amazing country thats why I;ve done a lot of work on it and tried to obtain some more photographs of it . Some the images of the mountains, lakes and the culture -you know the yurts and general culture blows me away. Geographically it is very similar looking to Tibet and mongolia and as you know I am obsessed with Tibet. A magical part of the world. I've managed to make an agreement with Joshua Kucera at flickr for wikipedia to use all of his images on central asia. This agreement isn't finalised yet because the ticketing needs sorting but it looks cool doesn't it! I'd love to visit that part of the world someday. There s also something amazing about wikipedia gradually revealing the ex-soviet republics to the world as there is something mysterious about them which few people know anything about at all. Uzbekistan, Tajikistan. Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan are countries I will be aiming to do some work on. Do you have any photos to upload ? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 16:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 16:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

See Besh barmak . Appetising ? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC) I;m pretty sure Nookat is the same place as Iski-Naukat. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC) Ah I thought it might be the other way around and that Naukat might be the more modern one. If you could move Naukat District then this would be good cheers, yes I can imagine having a sheep head by it might not exactly invite you to eat it! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar'd!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I was flabbergasted reading the discussion above, where you were asked to stop contributing to Wikipedia. While I'm sure that the editor's intentions were good, I find this absolutely absurd. I just wanted to let you know that your work most certainly is appreciated. Please keep it up! faithless (speak) 05:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

German Infoboxes

Fertig! Ksnow (talk) 02:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

French communes

HI Mark. Thanks for adding the map. Theres two things we need to sort out. Adding the WikiProject French communes work group to the main france template and creating some sort of register to assess which communes have got infoboxes. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 11:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes the banner in the talk page e.g {{WikiProject France|class=stub|Communes=yes}} for the french communes task force to show up. Its jusy 95% of the page aren't tagged yet in the talk pages. I;ve been going through Yvelines ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Caro, Pyrénées-Atlantiques

What is your source for spelling the commune name as Çaro, rather than Caro. According to the two external links in the article (INSEE and Quid), the name is Caro. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 23:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

My Mistake

I'm terribly sorry, it seems I got a tad "edit happy" and accidentally reverted your edit. I had not known about this new feature (but now I do!). I reverted my mistake.

Sorry, --Cupivistine Noscere? (talk) 22:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

French communes

If you are not already a member, you are invited to WikiProject French communes. Basketball110 _{Go Longhorns!} 16:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

As Dickeybird is adding the Cantons (thank god) I'll get around to making some canton templates by department over the next few days. Today I'm working on Template:Hydrology of Slovenia, another incredibly scenic country. I'll probably create a few later ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes of course it wouldn't be all in one template LOL. Whoever created the templates for the communes by department may want to give it a thought to create a template for the cantons by department. If I have time I'll create a few but at present I haven't got much time for wikiing. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 16:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Much prefer the new map looks good doesn't it!! Can you make a note, I know you are busy as we all are, but in the next few weeks/months to take note of Italy also. I've seen irregularity with communes which have infoboxes or don't. Admittedly I think it was my fault as I stubbed many of them and when your fellow dutchman Eugene van der phil used his Eubot to bot them back in August 2006 he ignored the articles which had already been started. I've seen shamefully little development on them since ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 22:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Yup I knew it was only a minority but smartly done amigo. Regards ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Commune infobox

The "commune of" is very important, because French communes are very small administrative units, so it's important to keep it on top of the infobox to warn people that the information within the infobox concerns only the administrative commune and not the larger urban area/city. The commune of Lyon (Ville de Lyon) for example is extremely small, containing less than 500,000 people when in fact Lyon is a very large urban area with 1.4 million inhabitants. Intercommunalities have been created to better reflect the real size of French cities (for example Grand Lyon). The whole system is extremely complicated, which is why it is important to name things precisely (do we talk of the commune? the intercommunality? the urban area? the metropolitan area? the departmental arrondissement?). An infobox which would have only "Lyon" on top would be extremely unclear (is it the tiny commune of Lyon? the urban area of Lyon? the arrondissement of Lyon?). Godefroy (talk) 01:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've restored the previous image size for "image_map" in {{Template:French town map}} (280px); all existing x and y would be inaccurate if the map size is changed. — M-le-mot-dit (T) 15:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I've done a more contrasted version of France_blank.svg: France_blank3.svg.

Compare and

What do you think of using it in the Commune infobox ? — M-le-mot-dit (T) 18:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Soissonais

I'm glad to hear that you are going to create pages for the cantons, etc. Is there any reason we have to refer to them as communes instead of municipalities? Ksnow (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Oh, I misunderstood. No, I don't think we need pages for cantons, etc., with the possible exception of metropolitan areas (CAGs in French) which could link back to the city. That's why I thought Soisson would be more informative to the English-speaking reader than Soissonais.

As for commune, I don't have any problem with the term itself, but I think our audience doesn't have a clue what it means. Certainly, it needs to be in italics, so they don't think of the English term, which means something completely different.

Yes, I'm sorry I missed the s, but I do think its clearer to the English speaker than an unfamiliar adjective. Ksnow (talk) 21:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

I know that it is a noun, but the form is adjetival (or actually genitive "of Soissons"). Ksnow (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Edits about Hungarian counties

I already asked them what to do at Talk:Sáros county. Could you continue there (if you want to)? Squash Racket (talk) 04:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

This discussion rather belongs to Talk:Comitatus (Kingdom of Hungary) or on the talk page of a county than there. Squash Racket (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed it from there per WP:TALK "Keep on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions on the topic of how to improve the associated article. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal." moved it to Komárom county Hobartimus (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Markussep, I still think it was a pretty bad idea to move the discussion to that talk page. I waste my energy on dealing with disturbing comments. I would gladly discuss the issue with you though. Squash Racket (talk) 14:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Email

Please send me an email we should discuss a few things so there are no misunderstandings. You can even make personal attacks against me there is no policy against it in email. :) Hobartimus (talk) 11:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi I, understand if you change your mind you know where to find the send email link. Hobartimus (talk) 16:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's revisit the case in a few months then I don't have time for this now. Hobartimus (talk) 19:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I have a few(not that big) concerns relating to you your not willing to discuss them fine I don't want to discuss them publicly bacause I don't want conflict with you. I will step away from the articles for a time unless major disruption or POV pushing happens and will return to editing them when things calmed down. Hobartimus (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, don't let your imagination run wild. You never use email as a matter of policy or something? Hobartimus (talk) 20:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Adminship

Hello Mark. Would you be okay if I nominate you for adminship? Editorofthewiki 19:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Citing wikipedia in debates about improving wikipedia

I don't think it's good practice like for example here , I didn't want to mention it the first few times you did it but you continue to do it while telling a user earlier that you "can't take them seriously" . I see that you started implementing the "good compromise" you talked about by inserting dozens(hundreds?) of Slovak alternative names into articles while introducing exactly zero number of Hungarian alternative names, I hope it's not the final tally of your activity or it's not much of a "compromise". Hobartimus (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The second link you gave contains a sentence "Originally an early 13th-century Slavic trading settlement", so that's an intresting point, probably should be settled on the talk page of the relevant article. I'm also concerned that you started quote/diff mining a user outside of your "county area" while you previously refused to even look at edits of a certain user which were made outside the "county articles" even while you made comments about his contribs in general. Also the debate of wheter to use Slavic/Slovak also seems to be not county related, any specific reason for going outside the "county scope"? Hobartimus (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

"Both are probably correct, and "Slovak" more precise. But correct me if I'm wrong." My feeling is that there is a difference similar to how we don't usually refer to Gauls or the population of "Gallia Aquitania" as French even though there is a connection. The present day Slovak government as you might know includes the "Slovak National Party" or SNS for which I think "far-right extremist" would be a fair description and this gives an "official voice" through which to spread some intresting rhetoric. Part of this rhetoric is trying to redifine ancient Slavic population of the region as (ősszlovák)(lit. ancient Slovak could be old Slovak etc) an effort resisted by moderate Slovak historians even. At least that's what I've read in sources(one such historians being Dusan Kovac). So anyway the debate might even have some political elements to it not an easy question. The small text refers to a bit earlier where you said "What I see, but I've only looked at the county articles" . Hobartimus (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes the scan is not worth that much but how about the name Privilegium pro Slavis, I don't think the word Slavis could be translated into a whole different word. Anyway since you commented on a few issues can I ask you to comment on this ? I'm intrested your opinion on editing pattern(number of reverts which users it's reverting) edit summary usage using words like "bullshit" etc, could it be a sock puppet of another user? Hobartimus (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied on talk of article. Hobartimus (talk) 16:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply

My editings were not disruptive. You do not know the Central European history in detail only.Believe me that I know the local history well than you but I know very little about history of Netherland. Nmate(talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I never have been to Netherland. I know about Netherland that it is possible to legal somke joint in Amsterdam, and Netherland nation is not exist.But Flemish and Walloon nations are exist so I do not deal with Netherlands.We could be discussion partners if you know this area' history better.For example the strong Magyarization statement in the Trnava article is very injurious for Hungary.Because the Slovak nation was increased in over the past centuries (at the strong Magyarization time) but the Hungarian population was decreased from 1072000 to 520000 in Slovakia. The Slovaks are the best in the ethnic cleansing. If I would write it into Nove Zamky history that now it is the strong Slovakization time it would be wiped immediately.I wrote In my summary in Slovak language that I removed the obnoxious chauvinist edition by Tankred because He called me an obnoxious chauvinist in his farewell text. Nmate(talk)

Sorry for interrupting, but isn't the sentence "The Slovaks are the best in the ethnic cleansing." rather inappropriate? --Ruziklan (talk) 13:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Magyarization reported school closures simply, but very much Slovak was illiterate in that time.Slovak nation was increased in over the past centuries (at the strong Magyarization time).But the Hungarian population was decreaced from 565000 to 520000 from 1991 to 2001 in Slovakia.

This is not result of the Benes decrees.The Slovakization is not history, it is currently.Nmate(talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Specific issues could be better discussed at the article talk page, I posted there. Hobartimus (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to look into it for you

Couldn't find the article on it yet but it was not that long ago. Anyway it was in the news all over what's more recent is general attacks against Freedom of Press in Slovakia, this time all newspapers demonstrated with white front pages against some law or some such. Hobartimus (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

You mean this? Yes, it is general press law for. --Ruziklan (talk) 14:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Markussep,

The language law is exists, but its contravention is not sanctioned simply (at the moment). Have you heard about that Slovakia confirmed the Benes decrees again? Did not mention it that Slovakia is a EU member at all. They comfirmed it again.Your imagines from central-Europe is very idealistic.Nmate (talk • contribs)

For the topic of mutual love, please, find attached one map from the SK goverment party, recently removed but there from November last year: , that newspaper is not righ wing, but rather viewed from that direction "Jewish-Liberal-anti-nationalistic" etc. Not only BE is debating --Vargatamas (talk) 20:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Cantons

Yes, I'm slowly getting aroung to creating the cantons, but I simply don't have time to fix the links. I will make the redirects after I'm done all the 4,000 some cantons. Would you mind helping me? Editorofthewiki 19:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Altitude in French commune infoboxes

Why does the average altitude from the French infobox not show up in the English translation? A lot of the boxes only have the average, not the minimum and maximum (which do show up). Ksnow (talk) 22:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Sauze

That's the name of the band, the other article, which is a commune, can stay with the name Sauze, Alpes-Maritimes, there's no need to specify (band) next to Sauze, leave it the way it was before, not a disambiguation page. Thanks --Rockk3r (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Names

Hi Markussep, could you please modify the proposed change B (Change "Between 1000 and 1918" to "Before 1918", and "Before 1000 and after 1918" to "After 1918") in a way that it would also include something like "The names in minority languages should be used only for the periods starting by the year when the name was first recorded in written sources"? We have discussed this issue and you seemed to agree with this criterion. I think this flexible starting date should replace 1000 in the proposal. I know it looks silly, but people here sometimes tend to look for gaps in rules. I will be happy to vote after this issue is addressed. Tankred (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to give a heads up I would oppose this, as it does not make any sense to me. I think we struggle enough as it is without self-admitted "silly" proposals. Hobartimus (talk) 21:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not understand. Why would you oppose a rule against anachronistic names (such as Pozsony in 907 - well before the name existed)? What exactly does not make sense to you here? Tankred (talk) 22:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Written documentation is rare in the Middle Ages, and usually not in the native language(s), I wouldn't make that a rule. Furthermore, I think there are very few instances where the name could actually be a problem, maybe Nitra. I suggest we leave this issue to common sense. Markussep ^Talk 06:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Is there a compromise? --Elonka 12:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Attempt to move?

Please read this "attempt to move". To me it rather seems like some questions about the proper name of the article. Squash Racket (talk) 03:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 06:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Poll

Thank You that You informed about this event yesterday.Nmate (talk) 13:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

hi

I was just wondering how well do you speak/understand Slovak? Hobartimus (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Please delete your latest post it's unhelpful to list everyone's observations in this manner. It would get long and messy if everyone made their own list this way. Hobartimus (talk) 18:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

OK should I modify the points then to get a single list? There were already votes on a few things so those with a result should go to the consensus section with the points of the text that were never debated. Hobartimus (talk) 18:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Some points were voted down to a degree that there is consensus that they can NOT be incorporated into the text in any form. However if you didn't go by the votes you then just wrote up your own observations as consensus? We then get back to the point that different lists are needed if nothing is used as "basis". Hobartimus (talk) 19:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Also some points of the text were never questioned so these could be also added. Hobartimus (talk) 19:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Started tweaking the section based on the previous votes and discussions it's a work in progress though. Hobartimus (talk) 19:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dabbing

Hi there. As you know we are preparing for the new Fritzpoll Bot which will aim to add over 1.4 million articles to wikipedia over the next few months. The missing lists have begun being drawn up by bot but could you give a hand in dabbing names or helping sort out appropriate titles for multiple places within the same district. I'm uncertain as to how I would find which place is which are the distance to nearest settlements. What you consider coordinates in brackets in the titles acceptable? Could you help this worthy cause?

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/afghanistan
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/armenia
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/azerbaijan
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/bahrain

The entirety of the lists will be generated gradually ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 10:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/ now gives a full list as they are created and some instructions Fritzpoll (talk) 14:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm talking about place names within the same district. E.g Bago in Sonoma District of Guinea. (this is just an example) Imagine there are 5 settlements with the name Bago in this district and there is no other way to distinguish the difference between them. Obviously you cant have 5 articles with the same name Bago, Sonoma. So what would you do. Would you have e,g Bago, Sonoma (36 N 4 15 23 E) or what? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Markus we need to find a solution to the problem at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/Problematic naming. We need to distinguish them somehow. 19:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yuck. Most of the places names in Cambodia have several settlements with the same name. Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/cambodia/page7 etc. I don't know how we are gonna sort those links out ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 20:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Whatever you can do ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Eibenstock edit

What do you mean by removing the image code and saying that the image is "unavailable"? A quick look at the article now will show that it is very available indeed. Rather than do such destructive things, why don't you try to improve things? Find the image and upload it to the Commons. While I was translating the articles about places in Aue-Schwarzenberg, I was forced to use a proxy, which will not accommodate huge files like that one. It would be nice if somebody understood this and helped instead of harming.

I don't know whether you've done any other such editing here, but if you have, please go back and consider undoing it and uploading the images to the Commons. Thanks. Kelisi (talk) 14:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

And you can still see here my nice little request for someone to enhance – not butcher – that article. Now, the job of inserting the images will be harder. Yes, destructive is the word. Kelisi (talk) 03:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Move of River Thouet to Thouet over redirect: no disamb necessary

Hi. I note that you moved the article I recently created on the River Thouet to Thouet, with the comment 'no disamb necessary'. This raises an interesting question because I didn't put 'River' in the name as a disambiguator, but because I saw it as part of the English language name for that river.

Certainly when talking about rivers whose native name is English, it seems to be the norm to include River as part of that name. There is an apparant difference between UK English speakers, who tend to name rivers in the form 'River xyz' (eg. River Thames) whilst US English speakers tend to use 'xyz River' (eg. Hudson River). But both definately include the 'River', and most WP:en articles on UK and US rivers therefore include the 'River' in the article title even where there is no ambiguity.

However here we are talking about a river in France. Looking at WP:fr, it does seem as if there is no equivalent of this convention in French. On the other hand this is WP:en, and policy is to use English names where they exist. But I'm not sure how this applies here. What do you think?. -- Chris j wood (talk) 10:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Luxembourg map

Yes, it's easy for me to modify it, or even make a whole new one capable of showing more detail. This may take a while as I am unwilling to attempt this with my laptop, which is what I use overseas. It has no mouse. I suppose I could try using a desktop at work, though. We'll see. Kelisi (talk) 23:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Bratislava

Hi there!

• 1st, Bratislava name didn't use the Slovak nation before 1918. The widespread Slovak name was Presporok in that time. I know the local history more better as You.

• 2nd, My contributions were more as the location names corrections in the article! I added some important Hungarian related events to the historical chapter but Schcambo reverted all contributions immediately!

• 3rd, You reverted me at Juraj Jánosik so it would be just that You would make a revert

at my non location name's contributions on this historical chapter because I am under restriction no revert control.

Nmate (talk) 18:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had this conversation on my talk page as well, but just thought I'd clarify here: have a look at WP:COMMONNAME. It doesn't matter what the local name is if there is a far more popular name in use in English. For example, Mount Everest isn't called that by people in Nepal or Tibet. Similarly, it doesn't matter what people in Bratislava call Bratislava Castle; it is known as that in English so that's how it stays. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 19:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Markussep!

If You watch my last edition at Bratislava's infobox What will be removed - You Can find the (Slovak) Presporok as historical location name there.Nmate (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Markussep!

That is not personal my opinion. This is a very interesting sentence because does not imply it who and why accused the Hungarians cooperation with the Nazis:

In 1945, most of the Germans were evacuated, or after the restoration of Czechoslovakia, In 1945, most of the Germans were evacuated, or after the restoration of Czechoslovakia, displaced from the city, along with the Hungarians accused of cooperation with the Nazis.

Benes decrees and Reslovakization process would not be a trivial information here also. Nmate (talk) 08:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It is possible that I did some mistake but I am not biased.Nmate (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Spiš Castle

Hi! (again)

I do not remember so kind of comproise at the Slovak-Hungarian experiment that Hungarian nobleman's surname should be use in Slovakized form: Zápolya (Zápoľský). The Spišský hrad as an native name in the infobox is very strange also because the really native name is the Hungarian variant.Nmate (talk) 19:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Alkemade

Hi I added an image and people to Alkemade. Could you quickly change the people occupations into english when you have a mo. P.S. thanks for correcting those infobox communes, I was thinking they could just be copied straight. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 21:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Can I ask why you are blocking out the red links for the cantons and intercomunes, We were going to get around to starting the cantons eventually. Is it a major problem if they are red linked in french? Canton de... can just be redirected when done. It would be like adding the German boxes but blocking out the sub cantons. Let me know what you think is best because if I go through the list and then you have to check everyone after me it isn't as quick as could be ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 18:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

So if you leave it like arrondisemnts etc if we have the article it will show up if not it will re dlink it? OK THANKS ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 09:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll get a few done today, thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

A month or two ago I tried to get WP:Switzerland to alter their infoboxes so the map and image paramaters are at the top per convention. However I failed. As "this organization does not tolerate failure" could you try to see if you can get the Swiss infobox adapted like Germany and AUstria so the map and images go at the top rather than the bottom. Thanks

Acting as a proxy

You should read the relevant policies to avoid acting as a proxy for an obvious sockpuppet of a banned user in the future. Your recent actions are concerning relating to this topic area. You should read all the policies that govern these types of issues. Hobartimus (talk) 07:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

You see the problem is that I already know it's him. You even already know that it's the same IP same area of intrest, same article. I suppose you already know about dynamic IPs and how they work. You say I should file this or that and get confirmation and "I will know" then, but since I do know already the only new info out of a confirmation like this would be confrimation that you edited on behalf of MarkBA, restored his comments without him even asking, edited the article per his suggestions etc. So you see I'm getting nowhere there It will not resolve the problem. But this is not the issue here as I said I'm concerned about the future. You should really enable email to your account. Hobartimus (talk) 00:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

How much investigation did you do on this issue before your most recent message to me and your most recent restoration of 78.99.132.221's comments? Hobartimus (talk) 10:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe your extensive research covered such hidden details as his user page and talk page? Hobartimus (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyway the issue is not this, the about 15th sockpuppet of MarkBA, my concern is with the all the future cases that will come. Let's say tomorrow the same thing happens same IP same articles same everything... But now that you clarified it I see that the biggest problem is with understanding dynamic IP addresses that should be covered before anything else. I assumed you knew all about that stuff being here for years and all. Hobartimus (talk) 15:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

IP 194.160.75.10

Reverted to your version in a bunch of places I looked at a few of it's edits but I'm not sure what to think about this IP / his owner yet. Hobartimus (talk) 16:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It is very very probably that this IP editor is Svetovid.Nmate (talk) 10:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Lot-geo-stub broken image

The geo-stub for the Lot department has a broken image. Can you fix this? Ksnow (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Hi

Hi.

All right, I will stop now. I just did that, because Bratislava was Hungarian more than 1000 years. But why must delete the demographic? Must speak about it. Half of population were Germans and Hungarians, just after the WW2 Slovaks with Eduard Benes deported us. :-( —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagyarTürk (talk • contribs) 16:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok

Thank you, sorry than! Have nice day! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagyarTürk (talk • contribs) 16:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Luxembourg map

There you go, a new Luxembourg map. Let me know what other places might go well on it. It's 4× bigger than the old one, and there is room on it for other things. Kelisi (talk) 13:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

French commune infobox altitude range

I assume you are the one who changed the French commune infobox altitude range so that the m is added automatically. This may seem picky, but it really looks better if there is no m on the minimum. Ksnow (talk) 13:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Also, the average altitude is no longer showing up. Why? Ksnow (talk) 14:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Saragossa v. Zaragoza

Hi. Please see Talk:Zaragoza#Requested move. Xn4 (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Government of the Netherlands

Government of the Netherlands is redirecting to Politics of the Netherlands. Can you start this article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Shahumyani trchnafabrika

Is there any poultry factory in this town? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Large number of renames per WP:ARMEN?

Hey there.

You'll need to point to a consensus to move a large number of pages like this; I can find no justification for the mass move. — Coren ^(talk) 23:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Municipalities of Armenian provinces

Hi Markussep, I was curious where you got your lists of municipalities for Armenian provinces, as none of the lists you have added seem to exactly match the census lists. Have you removed all of the villages within other municipalities, i.e. the "urban communities"? I'm trying to create a comprehensive list for the List of municipalities in Armenia article. That's how I noticed the discrepancies. Kaldari (talk) 23:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, in response to your question: originally I got the lists of municipalities from a law text (in Armenian, I had to transliterate myself to be able to read it, http://laws.am/DocumentView.aspx?DocID=12840, but since the original list disappeared you have to look for the cache now: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:G12_ZHE3SO8J:www.laws.am/DocumentView.aspx%3Fdocid%3D33361+%D5%8B%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%BC%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%AB+%D5%A9%D5%BC%D5%B9%D5%B6%D5%A1%D6%86%D5%A1%D5%A2%D6%80%D5%AB%D5%AF%D5%A1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=nl). That's also where I got the raion subdvision from. In these lists, all the villages are mentioned, not just municipalities. Most municipalities consist of only one village, but there are some with more, like Parakar.

The lists I added match the census lists (like for instance http://www.armstat.am/file/doc/130.pdf), but as I tried to explain at Talk:Aragatsotn, you shouldn't use the first table in the census results, because that also lists villages that aren't independent municipalities. In the second table (with the population figures), some dependent villages are shown directly under the municipality, others are only mentioned in the footnotes (probably deserted villages). For instance in Armavir, Tairov is listed below Parakar municipality, and you'll see that the figures for the villages Tairov and Parakar add up exactly to the figure for Parakar municipality. Especially Shirak has a lot of dependent villages. I'll revert your Tairov edit now, if you have more questions just ask. Markussep ^Talk 08:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand why we would not list villages within other municipalities. There are a few reasons I think we should list them:

1. Most sources that I have seen treat villages that are within other municipalities the same as they would any other villages. For example, the Armenian National Statistical Service reports that there are 952 villages (gyugher) in Armenia, while the Armenian Embassy in Russia reports that there are 953 villages. Our numbers don't match these sources since we are filtering out villages within other municipalities.
2. Villages within other municipalities are still municipalities (as long as they have an incorporated government). There are plenty of examples of this in other countries including the U.S. What is your basis for thinking that those villages would not be municipalities?
3. We consistently treat municipalities within other municipalities as municipalities themselves in our U.S. articles. For example, there are 7 other incorporated cities within the city of Nashville. These cities are neither completely separate nor completely independent. They use a 2-tier system of government and are considered residents of both cities and get to vote for two different mayors. Yet we list all of them in our List of cities and towns in Tennessee article and they each have their own separate city articles (and are all considered municipalities by reliable sources and the U.S. Census). The fact that their territories are not 100% distinct from other cities should not cause us to treat them as non-cities or non-municipalities. I can provide many more examples besides Nashville if you'd like.
4. Wouldn't it be better to list them, but add a footnote or some key to state that they are part of another municipality (like the census does). Otherwise we seem to be implying that they don't exist at all and it is harder to locate the articles for those places. Wouldn't it be better to err on the side of too much information rather than too little?

Kaldari (talk) 18:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Take for instance this data sheet from the Armenian statistics office. Shirak has 3 urban communities, 116 rural communities (what we call municipalities) and 127 villages. By definition a municipality must have some type of government. Your cities within Nashville apparently have separate governments. I don't think the non-municipal villages in Armenia (like Tairov) have that. Several of these villages don't even have a non-zero population. So villages like Tairov don't belong in a list of municipalities. If you like you can add footnotes in which the villages within the municipalities are named, but they aren't municipalities, and shouldn't be listed as such. Markussep ^Talk 19:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I think I understand. So in the parlance of Armenian statistical documents "community"="municipality" and communities can either be "urban" or "rural". And this is totally separate (though similar) to the breakdown of "towns" and "villages". Would you say that is correct? If so, perhaps we should include both lists in the province articles. Kaldari (talk) 22:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Also I would like to get your advice on what to do about the List of municipalities in Armenia article. If what you are saying is true and "communities"="municipalities", this article currently has the wrong content as it is a list of "towns" and "villages" rather than a list of urban and rural municipalities. Perhaps that article should be renamed List of towns and villages in Armenia and a new List of municipalities in Armenia article should be created. What would be your advice on how to resolve this? Kaldari (talk) 22:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

If you have a chance, please join the centralized discussion of this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Armenia#The reason for the discrepancies. Thanks for your patience in trying to explain things. Kaldari (talk) 23:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I think I've finally figured it all out. Kaldari (talk) 20:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:BelgianMunicipality map

A tag has been placed on Template:BelgianMunicipality map requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Rivers D

Hello. This is rather a technical question, try to ask at meta-wiki or some IT experts (t)here. As for the subcategories. It is a common convention here to subcategorize geographical features by countries and then by 1st level administrative divisions. All categories should be subcategorized in proper subcategories. The parent cat should be almost empty, see Category:Rivers of the United States or other similar cats. - Darwinek (talk) 13:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

That's your point of view, community's seems to be other. We can't differentiate between large countries and small ones. Btw. Deutschland is a quite large country with many, many hundreds of rivers. DE wiki categorization scheme follows ours in this case. We just can't use "scheme A" for some countries and "scheme B" for others. - Darwinek (talk) 14:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

WPP Rivers is a one big mess, loosely maintained since its creation. There wasn't such a discussion in this project, because all users (until now, right) agree with this. It is being used throughout en wiki as a rule of precedence for several years. It shouldn't and won't be changed rapidly today or tomorrow. - Darwinek (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

After all, it depends also on quantity of river articles. That's why Russia is split, like Romania. Many articles about their rivers are there. It is only a matter of time when e.g. France or Ukraine will need split. You are right about Italy, it is quite a mess there, also due to categorization of redirects. - Darwinek (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I think categorization of rivers by 1st level administrative division, not by 2nd, is just fine. - Darwinek (talk) 17:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Rivers F

Hi Mark. Hope you are well. I was filling in red links at Alpes-Maritimes. I should have google searched them first perhaps, but I assumed they had been linked correctly and was justifiable. The Bald One ^{White cat} 14:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

OK cool. Yes I;d noticed them red linked for ages and figured exactly somebody like Ksnow or Dickeybird might have expanded them eventually if not myself or Editor of thewiki. Hope you had a good holiday and took some images of some communes! The Bald One ^{White cat} 14:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I wish I could remember where these came from the Braus might be the Redebraus, but it is probably not worth a mention, anyway. Feel free to nominate them for deletion.Ksnow (talk) 01:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Souffel

Please see Talk:Souffel --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject France newsletter

WikiProject France News What's new? The project has recently experienced a complete redesign. The Outreach department has also undergone a major expansion, and this newsletter is the result of that. The review department is currently under development, with several new proposals underway. Internal peer review had begun on the page of the project's Review Department. The department currently provides a centralized platform off all currently open reviews throughout the project (Featured Articles, Peer Reviews, Good Articles, Articles for Deletion, Categories for Discussion, etc.) A new task force has been introduced: the Paris task force. Any users interested in contributing to the taskforce can join on the project page. There is a current discussion about merging the French Communes WikiProject into ours. This communes project will be organised as a task force. User-related news Notifications Several new user has joined the project this last month: Jordan Timothy James Busson, Djwilms and Mcewan. Welcome! Please come stop by the talk page to join in our discussions. Lazulilasher has been awarded the French Barnstar of National Merit for his contributions to this project. Congratulations! Complete project tasks Complete To Do List The following is a list of all the current tasks for the project, as well as several project goals: Wikipedia:France-related tasks You can help! Vous pouvez aider ! Here are some France related tasks you can do: Requests: Gérard Garouste – Émile Peynot – more... Translation from French:See TRANSWIKI/French for details. fr:Formation territoriale de la France métropolitaine to Territorial formation of France – Loi constitutionnelle du 23 juillet 2008 to French constitutional law of 23 July 2008 – fr:Arbel Fauvet Rail to Arbel Fauvet Rail – fr:Merir to Merir – more... Stubs: Category:France stubs Category sorting: Category:French writers – Category:History of France Verify or Factual Accuracy: Gui de Ceriz – Rennes-le-Château – Simone Weil Update: Bischwiller NPOV : Foreign relations of France (Middle East section) – Torture during the Algerian War – François Mitterrand – Jean-Marie_Le_Pen – John Calvin – Marie Antoinette Wikify: Dida Diafat – French architecture Citations: Vichy France (section) – Falaise pocket – Charles de Gaulle – Vaux-le-Vicomte – Economy of France – Louisiana Purchase Merge: – Bourbon Family Compact Copyedit, Style or Cleanup: Antoine de la Sale – Albert Camus – Breton language – Claude Debussy – French Revolution – French language – Jean-Paul Sartre – Napoleon III of France – Nicolas Sarkozy – Picardy – Rennes – Sarah Bernhardt – Toulouse – Girondist – Louis XIV Expand: Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen – Vaux-le-Vicomte – Basque language – Being and Nothingness France-related Wikiprojects: Wikipedia:WikiProject France view • edit • discuss • history • watch

Overview This is the new project newsletter, covering months August through to October, which will contain information regarding new Good and Featured articles, recent project changes, general related news, and recent proposals. If you've just joined, add your name to the Members section of Wikipedia:WikiProject France. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the creation. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Articles Five articles are currently undergoing external peer reviews: Louvre Abu Dhabi Louvre Family Moving Day Napoleon I List of Bellflower Bunny Episodes Two articles have reached GA status this month: Daft Punk Louvre Abu Dhabi Newsletter contributors Jordan Timothy James Busson

Thank you for your contributions to the project, Jordan ^Contribs 14:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Lists of windmills

Thanks for your help improving the Dutch Limburg list. I've created quite a few lists covering France, Belgium, the Netherlands and am currently working on Germany. Feel free to improve those too! If you want a quick link to the various lists I keep a sub-page of articles created and worked on at User:Mjroots/Articles. Mjroots (talk) 16:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Communes

Good work with the rivers. One thing though remember to update the status French communes when you have finished adding a few as the last few occasions I;ve had to work out where you left off!Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 11:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I notice that the LoireAtlantique-geo-stub template is missing a flag. Can you update this?Ksnow (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Hi remember to remove the "official" name part for the municipality to appear in the infobox. See Gjepalaj Count Blofeld 20:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Albanian wikipedia has a few of them. . I think though they are entitled like Kommune ... though. Most of them are pretty empty though. Here is the Albanian kommune cat Count Blofeld 20:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

We already have most of the cities. A lot of them though need an infobox/map aded to them Count Blofeld 21:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW if you are interested I need some help starting the municipalities of Mexico, some of them are several thousands square kilometres in size. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico/State templates. I recently completed Chihuahua. Most of the templates need filling out like Template:Chihuahua with the municipalities/seats red linked from the municipal lists and started. There is a Mexican encyclopedia with details on them from which I obtained the info. Eventually they should all be expanded fully but first stage is to get them all started by state Count Blofeld 21:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Le Mont-Saint-Michel

Currently, this redirects to Mont Saint-Michel. Since the official name of the commune according to the INSEE Web site is Le Mont-Saint-Michel, and the French Wikipedia page is spelled that way, I think this should be reversed. I have already edited the English page, so that the spelling is consistent (except in quotes and image titles), but I can't move it because the page already exists. How does one do this? Ksnow (talk) 22:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Albania

I've started creating the templates for the municipalities of each county at Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/Albania/County templates. Could you please follow my example below and create the others and apply them to articles you have created/will create. I can give you a hand. I've also been tagging a lot of the articles you;ve started. Count Blofeld 16:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well it might be useful to include rivers and other geo features in the templates too if they are prominent in one county for instance. I'm creating county categories so be sure to use these, Thanks Count Blofeld 16:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I was wondering if you could help dab the remaining districts of Village Development Committee (Nepal). I've started 62 out of 75 just need to dab the others. The ones that haven't been dabbed yet are the ones which are in lists and with red links. Could you help? I'm hoping to get Nepal finished in the next few days Count Blofeld 16:22, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? Why do you need to know something about a country to dab an article Bhandara and change the link ready to Bhandara, Nepal? Count Blofeld 18:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Also I have not abandoned the French communes project. I don't know whether you were implying this. I had hoped to get a bot to complete the task but to no avail. It will become a priority in a few days time. Count Blofeld 19:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL yes or the trapdoor in the elevator trick. I'll join you in a few days with France hopefully we can make faster progress. Note though I wasn't asking you to start any of the Nepal articles. Just needed a hand with the remaining disambiguation that was all. I woould have asked the disamb King CarlosSuarez but I'd imagine he'd be as busy with Azerbaijan or getting close and smooching up to his missus Ugly Betty Count Blofeld 19:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

France

Hi. I've just been editing french communes and noticed that on French wikipedia for Pyrenees-Atlantiques we havepin maps of the department. Could you see about including the Image:Pyrenees-Atlantiques topographic map-fr.jpg in the French commune template? Another thing if you come across an article which has some paragraphs of info on French wikipedia please add a Template:Expand French at the top so it goes in the category for articles needing translation and to encourage editors to try to put it into english. Thanks Count Blofeld 17:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I agree its not the best of maps . I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Count Blofeld 20:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for working on this. Please note this. Punkmorten (talk) 20:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!

I just stomped your edit in Blue Mountain. Would you mind a re-do? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Markussep! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One ^{White cat} 11:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)