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Archive 3

Symphony Silicone Valley Guthrie Tone Poem

Woah, wish I could hear that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannygutters (talk • contribs) 19:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I'd like to, the guthrie festival is in July right? My friend Mark Dvorak was applying to play this year too, he's excellent. I'll probably tag along if he goes. Dannygutters 18:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Woody Discography

Do you think we should create a seperate page for the discography? I think it's extensive enough to warrant. I could begin typing it up from the scans. On the main bio page maybe include the "selected disography" from the archive website?Dannygutters 18:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean a separate article? If so....not now....maybe later. You did a fine job on the discography table, but I think it needs to be at the end of the article - after "posthumous honors", I think.Kmzundel 23:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I started this Woody_Guthrie_discography article arranged by recording session and will hack away at it occasionally for a while, it'll take a bit of time to get everything on there from the source pages. So I'll not link it in the main article till later. If you have some time, I'm just filling in line by line from the scans. I really don't like the 'selected' discography cause it's all jumbled up by recording session and tracks are repeated etc, but hey better than nothing for now. I invision a link similar to the Woody guthrie festival in the main article, "see here for a more complete" kind of thing. --Dan G. 16:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Woody FA review

Hey Karen, do you think Woody is ready for FA review? What is left? I've tried to beef up the later sections with information from the cray book tho the last part of his life is just so damn sad, ah well. Also I am slowly working though Guy's bibliography whenever I have time. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 14:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll submit for peer review and see what that comes up with. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 18:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do a style reivew as well before sumitting. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 19:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

• Danny, "incapacated" is another blatant misspelling for incapacitated. (It means he was no longer able to use his arm.) I don't know how I missed it. Man, when I really started reading carefully, which I hadn't done earlier, there were tons of misspellings and run-on sentences. The article would have gotten killed if peer reviewed. I'm almost done - will continue today. Kmzundel (talk) 10:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

yes please go ahead and request a peer review. I was waiting for you to finish your scan. thanks!--Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 18:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the automated review just checks for some easily scriptable things (i think this is in addition to someone peer reveiwing it), you can see the results here perhaps we should implement these--Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 16:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the automated review. I think we're pretty much OK with the suggestions, don't you think? Kmzundel 16:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Trail of Bad Edits

Hello- I understand that I can be making mistakes... please, can you be more specific about the trail of bad edits? If I don't know what is being done wrong, I won't know where to look in myself for improvement. --leahtwosaints (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

More On The Trail

Thanks for your kind suggestions. If it were you who wanted to add material to the Hot Band article, where would you look for material? Most of the interviews I have found on unlikely places like You Tube, and I'm afraid they won't be acceptable for use. As you know, I am new to wiki, so taking on a stub, at the least, might not have been the wisest move, though there are really some good reasons they deserve a page. I suppose I'll be at the library hitting the books for bibliographical data. Perhaps it's best that Lisa Fischer aside (that was sheer stupidity), I should help clean up some of the really poorly spelled and phrased articles. I made a couple of recent efforts.. OTOH, I noticed your interest in the Guthrie family, Woody in particular, and wonder if you are getting assistance from Arlo's family. I have had some contact with his wife and one of his daughters, and they appear approachable in gaining material if you have not done so already. --leahtwosaints (talk) 18:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

people named after woody

I'm not clear where these bits of information should go, probably not in the Songs about Woody section, I removed them from there, maybe drop them off this article and add them to their respective artists pages if they're not there? Their nice trivia but nothing totally necessary, What do you think? : --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 18:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

During the early 1970s, before adopting the name of Joe Strummer and founding The Clash, a young John Mellor began calling himself "Woody Mellor", derived, apparently, from Woody Guthrie.^[1]

Bob Geldof's band, the Boomtown Rats, took their name from a page in Guthrie's autobiography, Bound for Glory.^[2]

Trivia Sections are not good as per WP:Trivia, so yeah I think we should leave them off. These items are pretty old I remember them being in here a while ago, but yeah they can go on their respective pages. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 06:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Woody Peer Review

So what's the deal with the peer review? Should we just wait around until someone gets a chance to review it? Or do we submit for FA at this point? Like you said, we implemented the automated suggestions where they were appropriate. I linked to the extended discography I typed from your scans, that took forever, I need to go through and look for typos, but it's nice if someone is interested in the recording sessions. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 16:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Not sure how to proceed. Have you tried extending a personal request to any individuals asking if they can provide Peer Review? Kmzundel (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

hmm, I contacted someone on the volunteers list in the arts category for peer reviews and they said they weren't doing them right now, I dunno maybe try sombody in the history section? Or we should just submit for FA maybe? I'll try to get someone from the roots group to review the article, but they aren't very responsive. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) —Preceding comment was added at 18:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I've left some detailed suggestions there. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Careful what you ask for I guess :), ha I'll start working on these too.--Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 04:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just cut the tributes section since it was suggested in the review as TRivia like, You're probably right tho it should be there, since I couldn't find a great place to put the other items. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 13:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Woody Next Steps

Hey Karen, now that we've implemented all the peer review suggestions, is the next step applying for FA review? --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 21:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I think asking to be considered for FA is the next step. Have you ever done it before? Do you want me to do it? Kmzundel (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah go ahead, thanks! --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 18:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Will get to it tomorrow. Kmzundel (talk) 03:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Dan, I nominated it for FA. Feel free to also add your name as a Nominator on the article's Talk page! (I hope I did it all correctly.) Kmzundel (talk) 15:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Woody G FA of the Day

So when we get promoted to FA do we get entered into the queue for article of the day? or is that a seperate application process? --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 15:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It's an entire separate procedure. And the procedure has been changed since I submitted Ellis Paul last year. I looked at the new procedure not long ago and it seemed complicated. But then again, every time I try to learn something new in Wikipedia, it seems complicated. :-) The thing that almost put me over the edge was figuring out how to so the sound sample boxes on the Ellis Paul page. When I figured it out and it actually worked I was thrilled. :-) Kmzundel (talk) 16:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Roots Project Userbox

I updated the Roots Project userbox since the generic one was kind of dull. You may want to use it instead!

{{User Roots music project}}

This user is a participant in WikiProject Roots Music.

--Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 15:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Got it! Thanks! Kmzundel (talk) 19:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Woody G FAC

yep a lot of nitpickey things, too bad those refrences are so hard to edit all at once. Anyway, i'll work on the citations, you don't have a copy of the Woody Cisco and Me book do you? I cited that one originally but i lent my copy out so i don't have one right now. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 17:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't have that book.  :-( Kmzundel (talk) 18:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I updated those Refrences in the chart to have the publisher first, if you see any cite web template calls we should change them to use your formatting with publisher first (manual formatting). I'm working in the Old Town School folklore center tomorrow night, they may have the woody, cisco and me book. These two reviewers are sticklers. ha.--Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 05:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like they want us to wiki link the dates in the retrieved on in the refrences as well. There's an example in the FACr --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 00:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

FACr is Featured Article Critera Review! ha. That seems like too much date linking to me but oh well.--Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 03:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, we didn't have that woody cisco and me book at the library, but I can get a used on off amazon for 14 cents. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 03:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sweet Deal. Congrats! --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 00:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Leadbelly

Hey Karen, any interest in helping me out on the Leadbelly article? I'd like to get it to GA status. It's got a lot of good info but could use some organization. It's probably harder to do than woody since there's less material and more conflicting stories on lead belly than on woody. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 16:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. What kind of help are you looking for? Adding content? Copy edit? Other? Kmzundel (talk) 01:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Woody G Festival

Hey Karen, you're going to the festival this year right? I am considering it. ha. You are on the board right? Actually, you're on the media access right? Can you get me (or us?) a media pass to work on the wikipedia content at the festival? I'd love to come down and do a bunch of fact checking on the discography and bio and generally improve the guthrie pages. --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 19:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Dan, I'll e-mail you. Kmzundel (talk) 01:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Question for me?

I'm pleased it was you who helped with my first attempt to transfer the photos my friend uploaded to Wikimedia Commons for me. They were marked for the page for Susan Tedeschi, Derek Trucks, and the photos that haven't been used from the Wikimedia are primarily left for the Derek Trucks Band page once it's created- since it's temporary home is on Trucks' page. However, I can't figure out how to replace the photos in the infoboxes. Can you tell me how you did it, as in the case of Susan Tedeschi? Thanks --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Although I've been editing on Wikipedia for almost 2 years and have managed to achieve Feature Article status (one on the Main Page!) on two articles, I still feel like what I've learned is a drop in the bucket compared to how much there is to learn about editing. For *everything* I'm not sure about I refer to the WP:TUTOR. That usually leads me to what I need to learn. There are templates for lots of things, including infoboxes. Correspondingly there's usually an article on whatever I'm attempting to learn. Here's the article regarding how to make an infobox for a musical artist. Template:Infobox Musical artist.

The problem with the Susan Tedeschi photo you were trying to use is that you were putting it in the main body of the article rather than in the infobox, so the problem was very easy to fix.

I suggest using the WP:TUTOR and/or doing a simple search for whatever it is you're attempting to learn, then practicing using the sandbox WP:SAND, or at the very least, previewing your work before actually carrying out anything.

Hope this helps!  :-) Kmzundel (talk) 14:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Whole Wheat Radio

from the Spam report page...

This sure looks like spam to me. Jimkloss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam) Kmzundel 23:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure where to start here. Jim's intent is not to spam, but to provide an audio and written resource for any reader who might be interested in a particular musician, and a resource for independent musicians to allow listeners to hear their works. Whole Wheat Radio's mission page is here http://wholewheatradio.org/wiki/index.php/Mission. What needs to be done to establish WWR as a non-spam organization? Thank you. --sparkit^TALK 02:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and the wikipedia page is here... Whole Wheat Radio. --sparkit^TALK 02:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your genuine concern. I don't know the answer to your question, but hopefully someone with more experience re: wiki policy will be able to provide guidance. Kmzundel (talk) 11:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

At the risk of introducing myself where I am perhaps not wanted, I also sincerely wanted to put a human face on Whole Wheat Radio (WWR) so at least if WWR is banished to "spam" status on Wikipedia perhaps you personally will know a bit more about us, and me, and hopefully think otherwise. Having spent over 6 years devoted on a full-time basis to the musicians and listeners and hype-free, spam-free, ad-free, all-volunteer, grassroots community that is WWR, I appreciate the opportunity to assure you that, although my methods were horribly spammer-like, the WWR community itself is not spam.

After Googling and noticing that you and I enjoy several of the same wonderful acoustic musicians, I was tempted to email Ellis and Antje and Tracy, all of whom have been to Alaska, one having given a wonderful house concert here on on her birthday, the other two having participated in workshops with Esther Golton, my partner and co-founder of Whole Wheat Radio and both of whom, along with Ellis's manager, were effusive with their thanks for what Whole Wheat Radio does to help the indie acoustic music community ... and ask them to confirm that WWR is not spam. I was tempted to ask Esther to put out a "We're Not Spam - Are We?" paper, created by the WWR listener community, for musicians to sign at Far-West, where she is right now, since we have a personal relationship with so many of them and so many have likewise expressed their appreciation for what we do, non-commercially and at no charge to them, to help get their music and stories out into the ears of listeners.

I was tempted to point to various musician's websites, like (SPAM FILTER WORKAROUND- http://blog.REPLACEMEmyspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=73765385&blogID=419534340) Peter Cooper who graciously confirms the WWR musical-wiki community is anything but spam - or maybe even Randall William's comment in the Anchorage Daily News who said "...He counts Whole Wheat Radio as a room in his online home. Williams believes user-driven wikis are the future of music. ...". Or perhaps the list of house concerts we've put on for performers like Jack Williams and Katrina Olsen and Johnsmith and Jake Armerding and Rad and Danny Schmidt and Meg Hutchinson ... raising over $22,000 for them both in-house and online during the shows and giving it all right back to them. Or, if you know Tim Mason over at Club Passim, I think he'd be happy to confirm our status as un-spam-o-rific as he's been a good friend and supporter. There's so much I'm tempted to try to do in order to get the phrases "spam" and "Whole Wheat Radio" from sharing even the slightest connection in your, or anyone else's, mind.

It's my own darn fault though. The way I went about putting links to WWR artist pages, where people who are curious about the artists are able to find audio, images and text that would be difficult to post on Wikipedia due to policy (policy which I personally generally agree with and am glad to support), certainly was not smart. I understand how it looks like a dirty rotten spammer at work. There are several reasons I could state as justification for finally deciding to "just do it" but the fact remains, creating that many external links in a short time period is just asking to be labeled a spammer. I take full responsibility for my spammer-like actions and offer my sincere apologies for my impatience in creating so many external links in a relatively short time period.

So now, as Sparkit wrote, we're at a place where all I would like to do is find out if and how external links to artist pages on WWR can be given the go ahead. I'm fairly sure I can appeal directly to our artist community, where we have a very good reputation, and get several hundred or perhaps thousand signatures in support of what we do as un-spam-like... including both Jimmy LaFave who came to us via Susan Mumma in Seldovia and Ellis who was hoping to do a show here last time they were here in the summer but had a scheduling conflict. (Here's an example of an email excerpt that I think demonstrates how many musicians in the indie singer-songwriter community view us: Hi Jim, I manage Susan Werner. Tim Mason suggested I contact you to see about having Susan on the air when she is in Alaska this month. Susan and John Gorka are playing together in Anchorage on March 29th. Interested? By the way, I heard wonderful things from Tim about you and your programming when I saw him in Memphis at Folk Alliance. In fact, my chat with him led to my bringing Whole Wheat Radio up during one of the panels that I was on at the conference, and the audience had a lot to say. So kudos to you for the work you are doing! Cheers, Michelle) I, like you, don't know what the next step is to gaining non-spammer status, but I'm sure the WWR community will pull together to do whatever we can to make it happen.

Thanks for spending this much time reading and allowing me introduce myself. And, I warmly invite you to visit Whole Wheat Radio and say hello. (I'd link it, but I'm completely paranoid about doing that right now.) I'd love to play some Jimmy LaFave and Ellis Paul for you, or some of the recorded "Thank you for what you do WWR!" from folks like Michele Shocked and Carole King and Kacey Jones and John Gorka who've called in. I'd love to talk with you and introduce you to our wonderful little community via the microphone and further the musical connections we all share. You may already know some of us from WoodyFest and other live shows where more than likely a regular WWR listener was sitting somewhere close by.

But more than anything, I'd just like to demonstrate that Whole Wheat and Spam simply don't taste good together...

Jimkloss (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Jim, thank you for your kind, gracious and understanding reply. Yes, I think the number of links that you added is what causes/caused concern. It's not necessary to involve any artists to have them confirm your good works. I do believe you. And I do hope a wiki editor with more knowledge and experience can provide guidance. Continued success and sincere kind regards. Kmzundel (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Words of Thanks and request for assistance

I am much obliged for the efforts you have put in honing the articles on Woody Guthrie, Bob Childers and Red Dirt Music. I really appreciate it. Great work. I would like to refer you to some articles that have recently been written on theses subjects.

Randy Crouch & Bob Childers in 1970s-80s No Nuke Movement pg 68 http://currentland.com/Portals/0/archives/The%20Current%20-%20December%202008.pdf

The Farm in Stillwater 79-99 pg 26 http://currentland.com/Portals/0/archives/The%20Current%20-%20October%202008.pdf

The Yellow House in Stillwater pg 14 http://currentland.com/Portals/0/archives/The%20Current%20-%20November%202008.pdf

There will be 3-4 more of these articles on "Red Dirt History" in the near future. I won't pretend like I'm not directly involved in them because I am! But unfortunately I am really quite poorly skilled at the HTML editing stuff even with the wonderful tools and templates that Wiki provides. If you feel like you can incorporate these sources into any Oklahoma music articles I would humbly ask that you do so. I would also really really appreciate any assistance you could offer specifically in Wiki-fying the Randy Crouch page on here. It has a good start I think but it took me weeks to just get it where it is. Someone more skilled could probably do things much quicker!? I have innumerable verifiable resources on these subjects, I just stink at the editing on here. You may reach me on my talk page but I am slow to check in there. I'm confused about all the rules here but presumably I won't get in too much trouble for noting that you could reach me here... http://www.randycrouch.net/Contact.aspx THANK YOU AGAIN! Chris B Critter (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Chris, thanks for the kind words. I sent you a reply via Randy's website. Kmzundel (talk) 03:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

1. WoodyGuthrie.org. Nora's News - May 2001. Retrieved Nov. 7, 2007.
2. Levy, Arthur. The History of The Boomtown Rats. Retrieved Nov. 7, 2007.