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(Cross-posted on my talk page.) No worries JK, I believe you. Even before checking the IP later, I thought it didn't seem in character, so that's why I asked for evidence first (I've been busy so asked for someone else to check WHOIS). I don't suspect anyone of trying to set you up, just that they jumped the gun a little bit based on the editing tensions -- sometimes putting 2 and 2 together leads to an unwarranted conclusion of "4" when no addition was actually involved! Btw, I think we've both inadvertently gone past 3RR in our zeal from time to time. While we should obviously work to avoid edit wars entirely, in the case that we do and you (or any other editor who I know is not a total asshole/vandal) go past 3RR by accident, from now on I will at least tell you first and give you a chance to self-revert -- because I know if you do go past it's an oversight and not trying to game the system. As for the various articles, I haven't had time to look at all the changes the last few days and it's a lot to get back up to speed on. Given that the Legal Status article really needed a major re-vamp anyway, I suggested we go with L's version there to spark some needed creativity and re-thinking. I haven't forgotten about the need to get the other articles up to shape either, but work has been busy here, and for once I wanted to actually enjoy a holiday weekend and not deal with Wikipedia. Hope you had a good one too. Cheers, Arjuna 05:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Jere, I f***ed up by accusing you, and I really apologize. It was either an uncanny coincidence, or someone who doesn't usually edit was watching the back-and-forth in real time and decided to jump in right then. You may be a pain in the ass (my POV, ok?) but you're not a liar. And I shoulda asked you before I accused, because I do trust that you would give me an honest answer. So do you want me to remove the accusatory discussion or let it stand? Knowing you, I figure you will probably choose to leave it up but I did want to ask, because it's certainly your right to take it down if you want, and you should not have to do it yourself. Aloha,--Laualoha 15:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
It was great to finally meet you, Jere! I have a lot of hope for the future -- I believe that we will be able to resolve things much more productively hereon. Even though I don't agree with you on many things, I admire your dedication and sincerity a lot. But don't forget, no bus me out to your gang, or else!! (just kidding, sort of). Nah, I pretty much know when a person's word is good or not, and as far as I'm concerned, yours is solid. Planny Aloha, --Laualoha 23:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
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OK, no problem. Let's just block out a time when we can do it all. Aloha, --Laualoha 06:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey Jere, so when do you want to do that real-time discussion? I have changes I'd like to make to the Legal Status page, but as part of our "truce", I'm not touching it until we can do that. This weekend is completely booked w/band-related stuff for me, but I'll try to make some other time. Just give me some times that might be good for you, ok? Aloha, --Laualoha 22:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey JK, got your note and sorry I missed you but there was just no way -- work stuff was, well, not 24/7 but a good 12/7, which is enough to take away any time for electives. Next time you're in the islands, I hope. Any case, I'm back and trying to catch up on all the good chats and rumbles you guys have been having. Cheers, Arjuna 09:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I know I'm gonna regret this, but I thought I should bring to your attention the "request for comment" debate happening on the Talk:Legal status of Hawaii page. I already know I'm not gonna like what you're gonna say, but since you were involved extensively I do not feel it is right if you're not aware of it. Take care, hope things are going good. Aloha,--Laualoha 00:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jere. I wrote to continue our conversation about "fringe" in WP policy. In short, I disagree with your approach, which assumes that "fringe" in law is based on a lack of success among legal decision-makers, and that legal journals are vulnerable to fringe ideas and hence distinct from courts/legislative decision sources. Hope to hear from you soon, you strike me as thoughtful and quite well informed. Take care, HG | Talk 06:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi JK. Ok, so we're in a bit of a spat (or spats) at the moment. I take no prisoners rhetorically, but seeing as how you give as good as you get, I think you already know there's nothing personal intended. No hard feelings, ya? Respek! But seriously, please reconsider your wholesale reversions of what are now the new consensus versions -- at least provide some reason and please stop accusing E (or me for that matter, though you haven't done so this time) of vandalism. That's a serious charge, and you know as well as I do that this is not about vandalism but a POV dispute. When you offer specific objections, I have taken them seriously and either accepted many of them or made good faith compromise efforts to address them. Second, we're all probably coming up close to some 3RR issues (I have tried to be careful and am 99.9% certain that I have not), but in any case I intend to honor my previous pledge to you that if you do go over I will let you know and give you a chance to self-revert before reporting. I hope you will accord me (and maybe others of similarly good faith) the same privilege. Cheers, mahalo, thanks. Arjuna 10:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't know you and have nothing to gain here, but I wanted to complement you and Arjuna808 both on the mature way you've handled your POV disagreements. Lots of passion there on both sides but much respect as well. Very refreshing!--Lepeu1999 13:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
JK, please stop accusing Eekadog -- or anyone else of vandalism unless it really is. Or maybe you aren't aware: "rv" means "revert" whereas "rvv" means "revert vandalism". Given that you are the one reverting the consensus version, if anyone can make the accusation (which we are not), it is Eekadog/myself. c/m/t, Arjuna 20:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
First, this is to warn you that you have violated 3RR on Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy and probably other articles as well. Given your lack of a reply, I suppose I should consider my offer of a gentleman's agreement on inadvertent 3RR violations (i.e. alert and give the other a chance to revert) not accepted? I will give you a couple of hours to self-revert and if not will then have to report. Cheers, Arjuna 23:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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Request reason:
History of Hawaii reverts were against simple vandalism, Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy was not 3RR - see details below
Decline reason:
Your reverts at History of Hawaii such as were not vandalism reverts; rather, they constitute a content dispute. The reverted version may or may not have been of lower editorial quality, but it is not vandalism; that would have been the case if the text would have been replaced by "poop poop poop" or similar. I'm sorry to say that I can't help out much in the interpersonal dispute detailed below. Next time, consider WP:3O or WP:RfC to get out of content gridlocks quickly. — Sandstein 05:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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Eekadog has consistently been removing cited material in fairly simply vandalism, yet has been claiming in his comments that he is doing "NPOV" edits - note the "unecessary [sic] cites of POV material" comment, where he attempts to justify the fairly straightforward removal of citations, without any further discussion on the talk page:
Every one of these reverts has been to remove citations, and his last comment on the talk page was:
Arjuna has been more willing to talk than eekadog, but has not addressed issues on the talk page since:
Regarding Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, 3RR was not violated -
7:01 was the first version, 13:11 was the first revert
13:15 was a fix of a typo
20:20 was a revert to the fixed version (first revert)
21:55 was a compromise version
Please check the history logs - you'll see that Arjuna's assertion that I did 4 reverts is not accurate.
Mahalo for your consideration, and any help in mediating this dispute would be appreciated. --JereKrischel 02:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
And I take strong exception to JK's characterization of the nature of the disputes, which seems to turn reality on its head. I see this not so much as a personality conflict (call this odd, but I somehow get the sense that he is a genuinely likeable human being in real life) but rather a conflict between mainstream views and an incorrigible ideologue who refuses or is incapable of acknowledging his own POV pushing. This may sound harsh but I can back up this assertion quite readily. Brevity and civility being desireable, I will not do so here but am happy to clarify any of this as appropriate. And to JK: honestly, I do maintain respect for you in many ways and harbor no hard feelings whatsoever towards you personally. Aloha, Arjuna 09:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Jere! Wanna take a break from all this tangled mess going on & work with me on the legal status page for a while? I'm kinda brain-dead tonight (bad "hearing" last night with the military...) & I gotta run & show face for a little while at another meeting (it never ends...) but we gotta get to it eventually, so I'll definitely make some time. Just let me know! Aloha, --Laualoha 04:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for clearing that up for us. Enjoy your break. —Viriditas | Talk 04:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
JK, thanks for your message on my talk page. Oy what a mess. I sincerely, deeply, and humbly apologize for assuming that Yosemitesam was you (a notion that the other party, when asked directly, did not bother to dispel, btw). Frankly, I am rather relieved that our working theory was wrong. That you were able to give the kind and generous words that you did says much about your character. I will send you an email later, but for now enjoy your wikibreak. Cheers/mahalo/thanks, Arjuna (talk) 05:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi JK. Saw your recent edit on the Akaka Bill article, and I don't have a problem with it whatsoever in terms of substance -- it seems pretty non-controversial. Two things, though. 1. The sentence currently states that "it does not provide for non-native Hawaiian people of the Kingdom any opportunity to participate in the new governing entity", but since the Kingdom no longer exists, this statement is confusing. Shouldn't it be "decendents of non-native people of the Kingdom", or even "any non-Hawaiian as defined by the law"? I'm going to make a change to the latter, but since you're more up on the language of the bill than I, if this is incorrect then please re-edit. And 2. thanks for providing the citation, and I don't intend to challenge it, but just note that unless I'm missing something (entirely possible), the statement in the article isn't directly supported by the citation; it kind of does indirectly but doesn't say the same thing explicitly. Also, op-eds (regardless of which "side" is represented) generally aren't as strong as straight reportage, so we should be careful on this in future. Finally, I've been really busy but still intend to send you a note soon. c/m/t, Arjuna (talk) 20:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we need you back. Could you review the recent talk - I would suggest you read from here if you have the time; this is an RFC which I think is the starting point for all current discussion. On March 23 I made a major proposal for overhauling the article and reorganizing it, but that discussion is now mired down. It would mean a lot if you could read through this discussion and make whatever interventions you feel necessary. I think many people want to make positive changes now and the RFC makes clear the urgency, but we need more voices and you really know the history. Best, Slrubenstein | Talk 11:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope you will follow the discussion below the RfC, and participate when you consider it appropriate/constructive. Slrubenstein | Talk 14:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted this edit, but FYI: Slrubenstein | Talk 20:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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Look at a seed you had sown Wilcox rebellions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.223.116 (talk) 09:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I thought you should know about this. I know in the past this article (and I think my contributions to the talk page) have caused you some grief but I always thought you were a well-informed and thoughtful editor with something constructive to say. Perhaps in the course of this mediation, you might have something to say that could have a positive inflkuence on the outcome. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hello I write to ask your assistance. We are a Hapa club in Japan and have tried twice to edit the "hapa" page to include using the word outside of California and Hawaii but user 74.108.XX.XXX continues to change to say "only" Hawaii and California.
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Thank you very much!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.105.45.226 (talk) 23:39, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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