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I have attempted to edit this article, with the statement and cite "However, 50 years have passed since the Kafr Qasim massacre, and the "Black Flag Defense" has failed to protect any IDF serviceman from conviction for "refusing to obey orders" eg ".
The statement I added has been summararily deleted, with no attempt at any form of explanation or discussion. The words quoted come User:PalestineRemembered|PalestineRemembered]] 20:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Come join. Project was started to get the cruft reduced to an encyclopedic list. - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, thanks for your support on my request for adminship.
The final outcome was a robust 62/1/1, so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any questions about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
(re: report of Isarig (talk · contribs) and posted here:
Vanity stub Ebionite Restoration Movement, now with original POV text, is up for 2nd AfD. Original deletion and two speedies have been reverted within the last 24 hrs. Ovadyah 01:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg,
When you get a chance, could you take a look at the New York Sun article and let me know what you think? Thanks. Dasondas 01:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you take a look at what is going on between me and Amoruso at Israeli-Palestinian conflict (especially the talk page)? I'm calling on you precisely because no one can accuse you of being anti-Israeli, and you have plenty of experience with what is and is not appropriate in Wikipedia.
It seems to me that Amoruso's idea of "balance" is that right-wing, militantly pro-Israel links constitute one side and everything else constitutes the other. Israeli peace groups, according to him, qualify as "pro-Palestinian". I suppose that is true, in one sense, but it doesn't make them anti-Israeli.
Some of his additions have been good (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs Palestinian Violence and Terrorism) but he repeatedly tried to add or re-add http://www.masada2000.org/, which is out there in Kach/JDL territory, and recently http://www.naamz.org/, which doesn't seem to me to have much to do with the conflict: it's a staunch right-Zionist organization, but their site is (in my view) only barely on topic.
Anyway, I'd appreciate if you would take a look both at the current state of the article and at some of what's gone by; I'm beginning to lose patience with his attitude, so I had probably best get out of there for a while. - Jmabel | Talk 05:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been traveling, had house guests, and have more travel pending. Thanks for letting me know: I'll catch up over there as soon as I get a breather. I've got a long list. Sandy 15:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Flex has now removed all criticism from Hugh Ross (creationist), despite you properly banning him.
May I inquire why you reverted his edit to my page? JoshuaZ 14:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
You sprotected the 99 Names of God article a couple days ago due to the actions of User:81.154.252.34. This editor, has gone around a couple other pages, changing cited material, and adding POV content, and removing germane info and links when it doesn't suit his purpose (all multiple times). He's already been blocked twice for 3RR and he doesn't seem to want to discuss changes. Is there anything that can be done. -- Jeff3000 16:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Socks of Karmafist? Wow, Konstable and I blocked them knowing full well they werent Tawkerbots as they claimed, but never saw that coming? Wonder why he targetted me? Ive never exchanged a word with the guy... oh well, very interesting! :) Glen 17:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, really. This is a bit much for me to handle on my own, and this guy really has earned at least a fair vote. --InShaneee 20:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, fyi Dasondas 22:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Requesting unblock citing 48 hours being excessive for 3RR. Let me know your thoughts. Glen 02:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: What do you make of this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seven Worlds 2? Thanks. IZAK 09:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
If you have decided, I think potential candidates would be interested in knowing whether you intend to run for reelection in the upcoming ArbCom election. Regards, Newyorkbrad 22:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, could you do a check on Aromanian (talk · contribs)? He's definately a sockpuppet of somebody. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 00:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
We have an editor that's been ranting on the talk pages for over 3 months now Talk:Ebionites. What's the best way to proceed? This editor also left some comments for you on their user page following recent AfD. See ERM AfD above. Ovadyah 02:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Can you explain your comments and actions in the ERM AfD and how they do not seem to be supported by reality? What does wikipedia think when someone such as OvadYah with his POV comes to and votes to delete an artical he has been hostile towards for 3 months?NazireneMystic 23:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, just one small sample and you can see on my talk page alchemy or what ever his name is even joined the main group to see it and knows first hand there are around 400 people in the main forum alone but in the deletion process flat out lied. I believe Wikipedia Policy does say something about having a biased toward an issue and voting in articles for deletion hearings. You are a favored Admin in wikipedia I see. Maybe you didn't know the extent Ovadyah and Alchemy has worked at trying to claim some reason why that one group should be listed and not ours. side by side we proved each notability issue that was raised and more so then the other group and once it was clear even to Ovdyah then the groups were dropped from the article and the subs were made, Of which ours was voted for deletion by two editors that has tried every thing possible to keep both groups from being judged side by side on the notability issue. Are you going to be the first Honorable Wikipedian in this prossess? Doesn't matter to me really. It is worth noting while some editors claim I attack them when I only point TO the wikilawyering that was done, no one stooped as low as to carry a bias into the deletion hearing and enter a vote on the other group. No one is attacking them.NazireneMystic 03:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey Jayjg, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 05:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Jay, I'm traveling, and am on an *excruciatingly* slow dialup connection. I saw you in the edit history, so I was hoping you could look into Joe Lieberman. The POV language in this edit is not supported by the source given. I have two questions, and a connection too slow to track down the answers. 1) If I come across something like this on a BLP, can I just revert it on sight (it's not particulary defamatory, just wrong and POV), or do I need to invest the time to read the source and rewrite the text to conform to the source (I can't do that on this trip, don't have time, connection too slow, and don't really know if that's my "job", or if I can just remove the misleading text per BLP)?? 2) The editor's contribs show it's likely the same POV text was entered on many other articles, but on this slow connection it's hard for me to track them all down. Should they all be reverted, even if not on BLPs? I can't track them all down from this slow connection. Sandy (Talk) 02:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
the explicit calling for the destruction of Israel in Hamas charter. I'm not saying they would not love to destroy it, but still the word destruction can't be found anywhere in the charter. Habitual gardner 10:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Think a second before you embark on this censorship, OK? You are deleting it from entries in which there is a comprehensive account of other votes, including votes on torture. This vote marks a change. I have added the copy on this habeas corpus/torture vote to Senators who previously co-sponsored the McCain Detainee Amendment, and to Democrats who voted against party lines to support the President's bill. In other words, to mark a change of policy and rhetoric in each case. To delete it is censorship and willful vandalism, and yes, I know my NPOV. Sandover 16:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Why do you think the Military Commissions Act of 2006 is not a noteworthy vote? Why are you ignoring the citations and news articles? Why do you think the Senators who voted for it should not have it in their bios, even those who reversed previous positions? Why are you censoring this? Sandover 16:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe I am engaging in a campaign of wikistalking and I will work to avoid the appearance of such a thing in the future. I apologize. --Ben 16:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Now Isarig has four reverts in 24 hours and ten minutes. Are you saying this behavior is perfectly acceptable?--csloat 17:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Any chance you will respond to this question?--csloat 02:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
In response to your question on my talk whether people are really wondering whether you (and others) are running again this year or not ... so far I've seen two people ask who's running or not (one on the elections page and one I forget where). Other than that, I wouldn't say there's a major groundswell of inquiring minds asking the question ... but the page for candidates to post their position statements is open (no one's posted yet as of the last time I checked) and they're due at the end of next month, so sometime soon you're going to get more inquiries. Regards, Newyorkbrad 19:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Sure thing! Your report enabled a collaboration among admins and editors to determine a good plan of action, and you also set a great example for other admins to seek advice when directly involved or impacted in such an incident. Cheers mate! hoopydinkConas tá tú? 20:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I note that you are making changes to the "kosher tax" article by making a derisive reference to "original research." I assure you that I engaged in no original research of any kind whatsoever in any of my contributions to the article.
This is an article about a manifestation of antisemitism. An encyclopedia requires a comprehensive approach to the topic that it explains. I also note that there are some users, in unsigned contributions, engaging in the same kind of antisemitic tirade that the article attempts to address.
Accordingly, a full explanation of what is meant by “kosher,” how kosher certification is obtained, and the business, economic, and marketing aspects of kosher certification are necessary for a comprehensive and encyclopedic description of this antisemitic phenomenon.
My contributions in that respect use nomenclature common to business, managerial accounting, financial analysis, financial accounting, and economics. Your reference to “original research” indicates to me that you are unfamiliar with this terminology.
I am a professional accountant with an undergraduate degree in Jewish history (wherein I took an interest in the history of antisemitism); accordingly, I believe my contributions should not be dismissed without discussion on the article’s talk page.--Lance talk 21:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, thank you so much for your support for my RfA. I passed with a vote tally of 61/0/1. I am honored that the consensus was to allow me the added privilege of the admin mop. I appreciate your support on my RFA! --plange 15:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks for changing your mind. Don't know if there is enough time for others to also agree that it would no longer be a preventative measure, but even if it's only a gesture, it's the right thing to do, and appreciated. AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your acknowledgement of my question above. I'm not sure I understand your answer though; more importantly, I don't know what to do about this situation. Can you as an admin offer any guidance? I showed you that Isarig made 4 reverts in 24 hours and ten minutes. You say that is more objectionable than doing it in 25 hours. The problem is that he does this day after day. When I reported him for 4 reverts in 25 hours, you said there was no violation, and you said that 24 hours and 5 minutes would be more of an issue. Then he does it in 24 hours and ten minutes, presumably feeling that he has a license to do so since it will not draw any objection from an admin. Today he has made another three reverts on the same page. Do wikipedia administrators consider the 24 hour mark a magic cutoff of some sort? The page on WP:3RR states clearly that "This does not imply that reverting three times or fewer is acceptable. Users may be blocked for edit warring or disruption even if they do not revert more than three times per day." I am not even asking that he be blocked. I am asking whether there is any way to discourage users from using reverts alone to solve their disputes. It is frustrating when arguing with Isarig because I tend to bend over backwards to compromise with him (often to the detriment of the page) but he never gives an inch and only responds by reverting, though he is mostly careful to stay exactly within the 24 hour limit. I must add that I do not have a current dispute with this user - I don't particularly disagree with his position on the page where he is revert warring; I just find his steamroller approach to reverting disconcerting and aggravating.--csloat 22:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm considering taking this case. From what I understand about it currently, you permanently blocked this user for reasons that have to do with spurious interventions to an RfA vote User_talk:Subversive_element#Blocked_again.2C_permanently. I've looked over the interventions and while they seem to me insane I think the poster may have been just playing around with the RfA process rather than disrupting WP overtly. However, he does seem to have a more problematic history, and apparantly this the second time this user has been blocked for some reason. As of now I don't have the full context of this case and would appreciate being informed of your side of the situation. Best,--Amerique 22:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
That's OK, it was only about an hours work. /sigh. I'll get to it another day then. The edit conflict killed the remaining ones anyway. /shrug Adding more cites is more important than how they look anyway I have this frustration on Circumcision all of the time; don't worry about it -- Avi 00:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I replied to you on Ameriques talk page. User:Subversive_element, editing from IP address: 84.44.172.138 10:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 12:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I just went to edit a page, only to be met with the message:
"Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Jayjg for the following reason (see our blocking policy): open proxy
Your IP address is 203.146.247.78."
That's not an open proxy. The IP belongs to CS Loxinfo, one of the biggest internet providers in Thailand. The IP is used by countless users.
This is no great inconvenience to me (I have other options, obviously, since I'm editing this) but it could inconvenience a lot of people. Unless it's a short term block for vandalism, I would advise against blocking that IP. TheMadBaron 15:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Am I sure it's not a proxy as well? No, I'm afraid that I don't understand enough about these things to be entirely sure of that. Regardless, unless it's actively being used for vandalism, I don't think it should be blocked for any amount of time, as it could block thousands of potential legitimate Thailand based users. TheMadBaron 15:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed that you said on Talk:Kosher tax, "The semicolon is your friend, don't be afraid to use it."
I am not a fan of the semicolon in prose. I usually am happier to just put a period there and create two sentences. So, I'm curious what you meant by your comment and would appreciate it if you could give me some examples of situations where you think a semicolon is valuable.
Thanks.
--Richard 19:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Jay, would you mind seeing my talk page. I've got an accusation of Zionist conspiracy against us both from this user based on my RV on the Israeli Apartheid page. Cheers. Evolver of Borg 02:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
(i)There was no reason for Avraham to contact me on my page, (ii) my interest in that article has absolutely nothing to do with SlimVirgin (iii) there is a group of pro Israeli editors which must be balanced by a group of non pro Israeli editors. Regards Arniep 18:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I suspect that Dc76 (talk · contribs) is a dormant one from Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Bonaparte. Khoikhoi says that you are good at figuring him out. The same pattern of brainless chaotic edits, superficial rearrangements of texts, monor changes in articles with no clue, anti-Moldovan attacks and personal attacks, toned down, probably not to attract attention. E.g. his major work Northern Maramureş leaves an illusion of authenticity until you read it carefully and understand that it is not about what is in the title. The overall history of his Bonaparte's edits under various names leaves an impression of mentally ill person (I don't mean his personal attacks, but the overall style of edits leaving a certain aura diffcult to describe). `'mikkanarxi 02:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you left a message on user Mikkalai's page, who has been attacking me in the last 24 hours.
I am not Bonaparte. If an official administrator can do with respecting privacy, I can give my real-life name and address. (E.g. give me an email address, and I will email you.) But, on the same token, I would like to ask the same verification to be performed for Mikkalai.
I demand action with respect to the following sentence by user Mikkalai:
The overall history of his edits under various names leaves an impression of mentally ill person
I have never called anyone names and have never characterised anyone, even when in dispute. In real life I would ask Mikkalai to say again the same comment, to confirm that he stands by it, and then I would call the police. Is it possible to do anything about Mikkalai's agressivenes and language? I asked him repeatedly to talk about the articles, but he never replied to me. Instead he has experience and can follow me. I appeal for protection from Mikkalai.:Dc76 19:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I saw you moved the TotallyDisputed template - thanks, I did not take the time to step back and realize that it was that particular section that bugged me. KazakhPol 22:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Homey is not banned. Fred Bauder 00:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your follow-up and reconsideration of your position on the proposed ban of User:John Reid in the so-called Giano arbitration. The wording of your proposal is not exactly how I would have phrased it, but the point is made. I know this was a judgment call and appreciate your willingness to consider the matter afresh. I also hope that some of the workshop or talkpage discussion might have been of help to you in resolving a very complicated situation. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Jay,
Is protection really the best way to stabilize things over there? The article has been locked into a state that is simultaneously poorly-written/organized and POV -- not very encyclopedic. Locking it into that state doesn't appear to be a very good fix, unless the probability is that things would worsen with further edits. Would you support unprotection? Dasondas 13:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Jay,
I am the photographer who took the photo you uploaded for the Kane Street Synagogue article. I appreciate your including it but Wikipedia did notify you that "To the uploader: this tag is not a sufficient claim of fair use. You must also include the source of the work, [and] all available copyright information".
Your response that "I am claiming fair use because the image has no commercial value, there is no free-license equivalent, and it is being used to illustrate the subject. It is taken from the synagogue's website" is partially incorrect.The image most certainly does have commercial value and credit is given to me as the photographer on the synagogue's website.
I'm surprised, frankly, that you didn't bother to contact me to ask permission to use the image, which would have been immediately granted. Clicking on my credit line on the Kane Street website would have taken you right to my website where all contact information is posted. It would have taken you about the same time that it took you to respond to Wikipedia's notice to you regarding your posting of the photo.
I am more than happy to allow this photo to be used for your Wikipedia contribution, but, as Wikipedia stated, copyright information is required. Can you please place "© Hank Gans" under the photo? I wouldn't mind if my name was used as a link to my website, www.hankgans.com, but it's not mandatory.
I hope you won't pull the photo from your article but allow it to remain with proper credit. Pulling this message to you, however, off your talk page, will be completely understood. I would have emailed you, rather than posting here, if I could have found an email address for you.
Thank you for your understanding.
Hanknj1 15:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Jay,
I have no problem with the Creative Commons Attriution License. Please restore the photo to the article with attribution. Can you make my name a live link to my website, www.hankgans.com? Thanks, much.
Hanknj1 02:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I just blocked "Trudelstein" as an obvious sock of Bonaparte. Perhaps you could do a check to confirm this however. Thanks! Khoikhoi 18:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Newbies will soon have a difficulty finding a username since this fellow uses up so many. --Irpen 18:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
(removed comments by banned user) Khoikhoi 22:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
(removed again) Khoikhoi 22:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your time in reading my report on the PA report page. You commented:
rm Mikkalai, no personal attacks shown, other problems must go through dispute resolution
I am a relatively new user, and have previously editted irregularly without a username. I never engaged in any edit wars. My contributions were to gather sourses on some subject, write a summary of the respective information, and put it on Wikipedia, in the idea that good-faith users would check through, and improve it. I never started an article before september 2006, but have expanded, sometimes substantially, existing stubs.
Once every 4-6 months I would randomly check the pages I previously editted. In about 60-80% of cases I was very pleased to discover that someone took pain to read through and correct grammar, double check the sourses, and add more very useful stuff. I felt proud to be part of such a community. In about 10-30% the edits were itchy, i.e. piecies of information were erased, sometimes in quite a biased way. But the core of my original contribution was still present. 5-10% of my edits were vandalized, but there was nothing I could do about it.
In September I thought about starting articles myself, and uploading pictures, files. I engaged in some discussions about some subjects with several users. Most of them are neutral. A good 1/4 are strongly biased, but agree to compromises if presented in a way more acceptable to them. And none of them ever, before user:Mikkalai, engaded in personl attacks.
From reading the history of the last 48 hours I understand that this user was in some edit wars with some other user Bonaparte, who was banned. Apparently Mikkalai thought I am his arch enemy Bonaparte. He targetted all the pages I contributted to in the last days, and revertted everything, including substantial contributions by other users. I asked him kindly several times to explain his actions. There was no answer on any page. I was in the imposibility to edit anything because of Makkalai. He also threatened me to ban me from Wikipedia. He does not motivate his actions, and he does not discuss anything. He just reverts my pages. Mine, not someone's else, regardless of their content. He reverted even spelling mistakes!
He was targetting me personally.So I asked for administrators' protection from personal attacks from Mikkalai.
I would have expected Mikkalai to appologize and become constructive, but obviously it is not the case. From your answer, I understand that I should revert the vandalism done by Mikkalai. What if this infuriates Mikkalai more? What should I do if he continues to revert all my edits? Should I become more agressive too, is that what you are suggesting?
Of course, if Mikkalai will not revert again, the issue would be closed. But how far can I go if he continues to target pages editted by me? I hope you will not suggest me to engage in all-out war with Mikkalai, I hate wars! I would appreciate if you would answer :Dc76 17:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
How about the main issue, the fact that fact that he targets me? Is it possible to ask him not to do this anymore? He does not listen to me, he just erases all my comments and questions. Can you kindly ask him not to target me? I would really appreciate if you could do so.
As for the articles, he did not revert my work only, but other people's as well, only that other users are affected on one article only, while me - on all I edit. I do not ask for support in reverting other people's work. That would be vandalism from my side to do and from your side to support me. And I am talking about the set os users composed of only one user: Mikkalai. I have tried steps 1, 2, 3. Still in 3, and looking for help from someone who can guide me through 4: 1 Avoidance 2 First step: Talk to the other parties involved 3 Second step: Disengage for a while 4 Further dispute resolution 4.1 Informal mediation 4.2 Discuss with third parties 4.3 Conduct a survey 4.4 Mediation 5 Last resort: Arbitration 6 Requesting an Advocate (at any time) thank you.:Dc76 18:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[Copying my previous reply here also for your convenience]
SlimVirgin wrote:
Raul654 wrote:
Hi, sorry if this has caused any problems; you are of course free to reverse any deletions you think were inappropriate. My intention is not to delete all banned user talkpages, or all sockpuppet pages. I'll try to explain my rationale. The bulk of these userpages are simply being removed from Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages; a category that was set up about a month ago and into which all new pages with {{indefblockeduser}}
or similar templates are placed. The idea is that once these pages have gone a month without being edited, they are to be removed. The month-long delay gives the blocked user plenty of time to make an unblock request, or otherwise contest the block before the pages are removed. Usually, the userpage will consist only of {{indefblockeduser}}
, and the talkpage will have something like a username block message or a series of vandalism warnings. Since the category is relatively new, there are a large number of similar pages that are not in the category because {{indefblockeduser}}
has been substituted on to them; I have also been deleting these (if they have not been edited in over a month). I'm sure you'll agree that there is little point in having pages like these; I should clarify that the original idea was not mine (the category is the end result of a series of CfDs and other changes none of which I participated in) – it has just fallen to me to do the actual deletions.
I do, however, understand the problems caused by deleting certain banned user and sockpuppet accounts, and I appreciate the need for these to stay. The pages of banned users (as opposed to merely blocked users) shouldn't be in the temporary userpages category, nor should sockpuppet accounts blocked for being sockpuppets (as opposed to username or vandalism blocks). I have taken extra care not to delete any banned users' pages, so if one or two have slipped through, I apologize. I have ignored sockpuppet pages in most cases – again, it is certainly not my intention to delete them all. However, I have deleted these in some cases – when the page's title is not only inappropriate but extremely offensive; this includes violent personal attacks against specific contributors, anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi sentiments, and other excessive uses of profanity. Most of these are blocked for inappropriate username but some are tagged as sockpuppets. I refuse to believe that there is any valid reason for retaining pages titled, for example, "User:I'm in ur germany, gassing ur jews", no matter what they have done or what the admininstrative need may be. These usernames, sockpuppet or not, were created purely for the purposes of getting attention.
If I have deleted talk pages of banned users (those prohibited from editing under any account by an ArbCom ruling or Jimbo) then this was a mistake; it was certainly not my intention, and feel free to reverse it immediately. If I have deleted sockpuppet pages which contain useful information and do not have an offensive page title as described above, then once again I apologize; these must have slipped through the net. The material on most of these pages seemed to be limited to witty {{unblock}}
requests or simply a block message, however if there is more than just that, it negates my argument that the page is pointless – Gurch 03:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
SlimVirgin wrote:
Jayjg wrote:
Hi all. SlimVirgin, I wasn't suggesting you reversed all the deletions; merely the one or two that you have presumably noticed me deleting in error – as I said previously, my intention is not to delete all sockpuppets and the vast majority of the pages I deleted are not sockpuppets at all. I've decided to pick out and restore the incorrectly deleted pages myself, so don't worry about that. I also don't follow your argument that you need to keep track of all accounts, whether blocked or banned. Most blocked user accounts – tens of thousands – are either one-time vandalism accounts or accounts with deliberately offensive usernames. While some of these may have been created by the same person, I still don't see the need to retain all the pages; if another account appears that is only being used for vandalism, or has an unacceptable nane, it is obvious that it needs to be indefinitely blocked and that is what will happen – who the account happens to belong to is irrelevant. I do understand the need to keep the usernames of sockpuppets in cases where (a) their edits are not obvious vandalism, and (b) the username does not violate username policy – because in these cases, it will be necessary to look at edits from previous accounts to determine whether a block is necessary. Although I'm not entirely sure why that entails keeping a userpage for each user, rather than simply listing the names somewhere. (Why not archive them at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets or Wikipedia:Long term abuse, for example?)
Again, I did not intend to delete any sockpuppets that didn't have unacceptable names, but it would seem that some have been deleted anyway, for which I apologize. The temporary userpage category is Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages, into which all pages with {{indefblockeduser}}
are placed. As I said before, the creation of this category and the steps leading up to it were nothing to do with me; I am simply following the instructions on the page and deleting those not edited within the last month. I have also deleted some pages not in that category, some with names that violate the username policy, some with a subst-ed old version of {{indefblockeduser}}
which doesn't contain the category, and I accept full responsibility for these.
I will continue to delete userpages for which I think deletion is appropriate; however I accept that a few of my deletions were out of place. I understand Jayjg's argument and apologize for deleting the same page twice. I did read Jayjg's first comment and I thought I'd replied to it; evidently it slipped my mind.
Per your various requests, I will review the deletions (all 20,000 of them) and pick out the problem ones. I'll restore any user/talk page pairs that are tagged as sockpuppets, unless they have unacceptable usernames that are actually offensive. (As I stated before, I refuse to believe there is any need to retain a page with a name like "User:I'm in ur germany, gassing ur jews", no matter what). I don't quite understand the need to tag accounts that have done only blatant vandalism as sockpuppets, as they would be indefblocked even if they weren't sockpuppets, but as there seems to be a demand for them I will restore them anyway. I hope this is an acceptable compromise – Gurch 06:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
How about edits like this? Btw: Am I blocked or banned? And does indef. blocked mean that I am effectively blocked/banned from editing Wikipedia forever? 87.78.189.168 13:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
this. KillerChihuahua?!? 20:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
69.140.101.199 undid your reversion on Muhammad al-Durrah. KazakhPol 21:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I object to your attacks on me "I understand you feel a need to promote certain POVs on Wikipedia", and especially "You're interested in inserting POV regardless of how poorly written, policy-violating, and non-encyclopedic it is.", and would like an apology (just for these, I understand we may disagree about everything else). —Ashley Y 22:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Would you please comment on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad#Request_for_Comment
Cheers, Str1977 (smile back) 11:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just inventing things, but without too much imagination, User:Neigerig seems like a pretty offensive and inappropriate username. Whether it's intended to say what I think it is (it does have another non-offensive meaning, but I'm not sure how many people are aware of it on en:wp...)... Tomertalk 14:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
INHO, that hardly means it belongs in the lead. But I have gotten enough limbs stuck in the apartheid tarbaby, so have it how you like. -- Kendrick7 22:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It scares me thinking that was there for six days and no one was the wiser. :| Kari Hazzard (T | C) 22:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it's highly likely this is another Zorkfan sock per similar IP and Special:Contributions/12.65.54.115. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 00:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello.
I recently received a message warning me to desist deleting information from Wikipedia articles.
Granted, I believe I have done so on a few occasions, but I am reasonably certain that most of these occasions related to grammar. Might I see a list of the changes I have made to pages?
Did you ever get my email? Khoikhoi 02:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for protectign Casualties of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. A similar protection my be required at 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict over this same issue of Hezbollah casualties. Isarig 22:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
What is your opinion of Dungeons and Dragons cruft (if you'll forgive me for poisoning the well)? IronDuke 03:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah. I never had much dealings with Bonaparte. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Ha! The guy is truly incredible. Thanks for the heads-up. Any time to investigate that other case I was telling you of? :) Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey Jayjg. Regarding your comment, no worries, I understand that emotions are high right now. I'm on hiatus from doing major editing work for a while anyways. I recently have been reading this book Getting to YES -- which I recommend -- and Elizmr this evening pointed me towards the sequel Getting past NO saying it was also quite good. Have a good evening. --Deodar 04:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
...for your nod of support during my recent RfA. If I can help out on any admin projects or if you need a pair of disinterested eyes to look at an article, just let me know. BTW, are you running for re-election for Arbcom? youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 17:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
You can see my illicit edits here. Please revert them immediately. 87.78.180.237 16:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
See: User:AGNLDM. Same edits and arguments as User:Wissahickon Creek on the same page. - Pernambuco 16:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Following your comments and a request from SlimVirgin, I've restored all user and user talk pages I deleted that were tagged as sockpuppets – Gurch 00:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
My User page was vandalized by Anon 138.9.57.189. I am suspicious that User:Duke53 is the same person as the ANON that vandalized my page. Could you please check if the the IP address for both editors is the same? Your assistance would be appreciated. Thanks. Storm Rider (talk) 07:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Usercheck request
The evidence here doesn't look all that strong to me, so I'm reluctant to do a CheckUser; perhaps you could try this request on WP:RFCU. Jayjg (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
You're preaching to the choir here; did you post this at the user page of the one who actually requested the usercheck? I knew that it wasn't me doing the vandalism, that's probably why "The evidence here doesn't look all that strong". It was another attempt at an attack upon me. Duke53 | Talk 20:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Duke53 | Talk 20:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
The motivation for the request is that the editor involved has been a source of conflict. The article that causes the most conflict is Mountain Meadows Massacre. The ANON involved made two edits when this was requested was made: vandalize my page and the MMM article. Nothing more than coincidence led me to think of this editor first. Are you aware of ANONs coming out of the blue just to vandalize a stranger's page? My personal experience is that vandalism of one's personal page is the result of conflict with a familiar editor.
Since I made the request I checked the location of the ANON and it appears that the ANON is from the University of the Pacific. UP seems to have been a source for other vandalism of late.
Jayjg, is there a problem with asking for a check? Are there guidelines that I should review before asking for a check? My thought has always been that a check clarifies an issue; either the proposed editor is "redeemed" or convicted. As the editor above states rightly, "I would like to prove that I wasn't the one who vandalized that page". He is also correct, the matter is not of such significance that I would pursue it further. Storm Rider (talk) 23:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I begin to despair of using WP:AN as a way to get another administrator involved in an issue. The latest case? WP:AN#User:Jose(Cha-Cha)Jimenez. Here I am, explicitly asking that another admin also get involved also in a situation so it doesn't get personal, and it's been about 40 hours and not a single person seems to have responded in any way. And people wonder why I (and others) have been known at times to "climb the Reichstag"?
Any suggestions? - Jmabel | Talk 22:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you have a look at the latest on Talk:Young Lords? I just don't know what to do with this. If we could get this guy to focus on what actually belongs in an encyclopedia article, I'm sure he would bring a lot to the table, but it seems that he doesn't get the concept at all. - Jmabel | Talk 07:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, there's a user: Hookrej, the one that keeps editing P!nk articles according to his/her (any idea if is a boy or girl, child or adult?) likes, reverting every other editor edits, ordering according to peaks because he wants everyone to see the #1 positions first, also bolding those (which I think violates the Neutral View policy) H may think that this is a free 'fansite' for only him to edit. He also provides false and nonsense Summary Edits. You can check his latest "contribution" at U + Ur Hand edits history. Another user (Extraordinary Machine) has had many problems with Hookrej too, but he seems to be currently busy in real life. Is there any way to report Hookrej? Thanks a million in advanced. DanV 04:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC) |}
Jayjg, I just had an exchange with an IP at the circ talk page here. I didn't realize it at the time, but after the fact it occurred to me that this is almost certainly Subversive element back for another round. Just fyi. If you agree that it's him and want to remove his comments, please feel free to remove my responses as well. Dasondas 05:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
On Nov. 1, 2006 you placed ({{SockpuppetCheckuser|Semlow}}) on the user page of Ilterandhome but no block was ever placed. This user is now editing, not blocked, with this tag on his/her user page. Was this tag placed incorrectly or was the block simply forgotten? -- AuburnPilottalk 07:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I've already explained my actions, and I stand by them. If it had been a "community ban" block, I would not have intervened. It wasn't. The rationale for the block was absurd, so "conflict-of-interest" concerns did not apply. CJCurrie 23:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Response:
Response:
Btw, do you not see a certain asymmetry between this and this? CJCurrie 23:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe that it is anachronistic to describe Irgun and the Stern Gang as 'Israeli'. Their objectives included the establishment of an Israeli state - therefore they fit the description of 'Israeli nationalist terrorist organizations'. The adjective 'Palestinian' is usually taken to refer to the Arab inhabitants of the former mandated territory, and it is therefore misleading (and I would suggest inflammatory) to label Irgun and the Stern gang as Palestinian - unless you are seriously suggesting that the attrocities carried out by them shpuld be lumped together with those carried out by Palestinian terrorist organizations. DuncanHill 00:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
My comparison between the term "a Quisling" and the American term "a Benedict Arnold" was removed with the comment "revert edit by banned editor". However, I, Sensemaker, am no banned editor as far as I know and the comparison is both relevant, interesting and pedagogic.
Sensemaker
I was reverting the edits of User:Sindicate, a banned editor. Regarding the comparison between "Quisling" and "Benedict Arnold", that sounds like original research to me. Do you have a source for that? Jayjg (talk) 17:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
If you removed my comparison by mistake why don't you just say so? We all make mistakes, but defending an error is to err again (and a much worse error in my opinion).
Do you really need a source just for pointing out a synonym? With such strict standards wiki would be stuffed to the gunwales with links and source references. Just read the Benedict Arnold article and the Quisling article and you will see that the terms are similar.
It is not original research. I found it in a dictionary. I'll see if I can find out which one.
Sensemaker
Jayjg, can you kindly tell me if Salon.com qualifies as a reputable or reliable source as per WP:BLP & WP:RS? Salon.com is an internet "magazine" that does not publish a newspaper, magazine, or anything else in hardcopy form. On the Sathya Sai Baba article there are numerous mentions to Michelle Goldberg's article entitled "Untouchable?". Needless to say, this article has only been published on Salon.com and has never been published in reputable media newspapers, magazines or the like. Since this article contains critical, negative and potentially libelous information about Sathya Sai Baba, how can it be used as a reputable or reliable source when it has never been published by reputable media? It is only available on the internet as an online article/resource. To me, this appears to violate WP:BLP & WP:RS. I have asked other admin for their opinions and none, so far, seem willing to give a response. Not sure why. SSS108 talk-email 18:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Jayjg. I noticed that you've had some contact with User:Fix Bayonets! in the past at Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center. I recently started a user conduct Rfc regarding Fix Bayonets! conduct at that article and elsewhere, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fix Bayonets!. I would appreciate any input you have, if any. · j e r s y k o talk · 18:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
ColumbanAgain has requested informal mediation regarding Khazars#Theorized Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazim and has identified Jayjg, Humus Sapiens, and Briangotts as interested parties. I've tried to summarize the dispute on the mediation page. I also have a few short questions that I think may be helpful in resolving the dispute.
Thanks -- I'm looking forward to working with you all. TheronJ 23:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
23:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
If I'm a bit pale in the face now, And if in the future |
I really admire the way you handle debates like the one on the talk page of 'hamas'. Keep doing a great job and good luck!---(i shall create an account pretty soon and work to help improve wikipedia, so cya later)
You appear to have attempted to stop the spammer by blocking their IP. Most internet users in the UAE, including this one I think, have dynamic IPs - there is no choice of ISP here and it is illegal not to go through their proxy. Whilst the spam is a nuisance, blocking their IP won't affect them. They just need to wait a few seconds or minutes for the IP to change. Or disconnect/reconnect. But blocking the IP will affect other non-spammers who attempt to edit that page and happen to be connected with that IP - it's happened to me often enough. Apologies if I've misunderstood what you've done.
Oh, ok. Sorry. I'm still getting familiar with WP. I'll look up semi-protection now :) ...
I seem to recall that you've worked at identifying Wik/Gzornenplatz reincarnations before. Could you take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Harvardy and see if you can help in identification? Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 05:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
This person logged on to WP for the first time today and set up an account, having asked me for help in doing so. In order to help him get familiar with the system, and while I had him on the phone, I logged on once under his username, and with his password, to help him place a sentence on his userpage, which he was having trouble with. We are two individuals. Just wanted you to have all the relevant information. Peace, BYT 17:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
You might want to check this talk page. They say that the incident where 19 Palis were killed by a stray shelled is a massacre. Also, please protect Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident against moves. MathKnight 21:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. We\'ll see how it goes.
He seems to be saying that he still can\'t edit because an IP address is blocked. Do you have any idea what\'s up with that? Probably his user talk page is the best place to continue any conversation on this, so that he will see it. - Jmabel | Talk 00:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thepresident1 , and archive this page, it´s too much kbs
Hi Jayjg, its an honour for me to be supported in my RFA by a senior wikipedian like you. Thanks:) -- Lost(talk) 18:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for pulling the case. I was hesitant under the circumstances. (4-0 and 1-4 are easy, 4-2 was sure to annoy someone). I'll be on top of it the next time. Thatcher131 19:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I came to get the ball rolling I am the now the blocked OLPC Wiki user 216.194.21.142.Please remeber JayjG its poor kids and the UN we are talikng about in other nations. We are from the USA.Make sure it is only 2 weeks as a first offence or lifted if you can . What is he with the Klu Klux Clan this #7guy? 4USA=this guy I did this made a question and directed people to my page he changed the file entry and said he did it He's a cad! The list was long if some one came they need to know it was questions.Yeah I left Walter a meassage and said after he reads it he could delet it. This Wiki's rules said you could use space if some one was not using it they promote that! I did. He delted it I left a message on his page about it based on what i had saw so far on the OLPC site.They also did win a contest to build laptops for the worlds poor! What is on my page has a meaning style and effect over a few days you can see it work. This was yesterday OK. Thanks Hunter OLPC at laptop.org. they also requested this on several pages at OLPC of laptop.org I email SJ as I am blocked and he didnt give an address as he said only an address to the survey. I also when I first started asked if what was on my page content wise could be what I want? They did not ssy any thing. So then I went public with Pros and Cons as #4 and Question list as #1 on the question list they removed that too! --216.194.21.142 20:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 02:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg, I am very thankful to you for supporting and comments on my succesful RfA. Shyam (T/C) 06:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello Jayjg. I wanted to thank you with flowers (well, flower) for taking the time to participate in my RfA, which was successful. I'm very grateful for your support, especially since our paths first crossed over a difference of opinion. I assure you I'll continue to serve the project to the very best of my ability and strive to use the admin tools in a wise and fair manner. Please do let me know if I can be of assistance and especially if you spot me making an error in future. Many thanks once again. Yours, Rockpocket 06:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC) |
You claim at that: Some of Lance's links appear to come from Palestinian Christians themselves; why are your links more convincing than his? Jayjg 19:46, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Why would you bother posting a two-year old comment on my Talk: page? Jayjg (talk) 03:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
My RfA done I appreciate Anyway, I just |
Thank you so much, Jayjg, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 21:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks for the congrats. :-) Regards.--Húsönd 03:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Shavuah Tov Jay, please add your learned views. See vote at: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 12#Category:Orthodox Jewish communities. Thanks. IZAK 11:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Jayjg. I note that you're a longtime contributor to Palestinian refugee and Talk:Palestinian refugee. I'm trying to generate substantive discussion of an issue involving WP:RS and WP:NPOV in this thread, but with no success. I hope a genuine airing of the issue might calm the current edit wars. I would engage Zero to participate, but unfortunately he has been front-and-centre in the tit-for-tat reversions and the accompanying discussion, which has become bitter; the atmosphere is poisonous. The discussion could really use your patient and even-handed approach: it desperately needs the patient mediation of editors willing to discuss facts and policy in as dispassionate and even-handed a manner as possible.
I'm also in the process of soliciting opinions from other longtime contributors to the article to see if widening the circle of participants might defuse some intransigence and help break the deadlock. If you had the time to review the thread and respond to my (overample) comments, which begin about half-way down, it might help move the discussion toward a workable consensus.
The other editors I am planning to contact include Mustafaa, Stevertigo, SlimVirgin and perhaps Leumi and Viajero. If you had any reservations about the names on this list, or can think of contributors I should include, please let me know. If you're unable or disinclined to participate, please just drop me a note to that effect and I'll try to soldier on without you :( . --Rrburke 16:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg, and thanks very much for your support during my recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 64/0/0. I am grateful for the overwhelming support I received from the community, and hope I will continue to earn your trust as I expand my participation on Wikipedia. It goes without saying that if you ever need anything and I can help, please let me know. Wait, I guess it does go with saying. ; ) --cholmes75 (chit chat) 22:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC) |
Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use.
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I have filed a formal complaint against NazireneMystic on the Personal Attack noticeboard if you want to add any comments . This is the same individual that repeatedly restored the deleted Ebionite Restoration Movement stub. There are also some comments directed at you that are relevant Deleted pages. Ovadyah 08:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
This is getting a bit silly. Your only argument so far has been "because I say so". Such pages as NOT, BLP, Copyvio etc are (1) policies, and (2) about content. That makes them content policies by definition. There is obvious precedent for the removal of content that fails any of these three policies, and possibly others. That makes them content policies de facto as well. I think it's fine if people create an essay about which policies they like best, such as WP:TRI, but that shouldn't be part of the policy pages themselves. (Radiant) 16:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the introduction to Muhammad al-Durrah. I feel the current version is better grammatically and in terms of POV, though it may be less pleasing stylistically. I am notifying you because a little ways back you and I discussed the article. KazakhPol 00:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: User:Shirahadasha has created an new article called "Open Orthodoxy" - about a new notion (that is "neither fish nor fowl") recently coined by Rabbi Avi Weiss. After having been asked about it, I attempted to redirect Open Orthodoxy to the Avi Weiss article and post all its content there because on it's own it's a neologism in violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms, but Shirahadasha has reverted my redirect. What do you think should be done, please add your views at Talk:Open Orthodoxy. IZAK 09:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I'm advocating a case on behalf of a user who is experiencing numerous problems with RPJ. I can see from RPJ's talk page that you have interacted with him in the past. If you have a moment, would you be so kind as to head over to the RfC page and leave any guidance that might help in resolving this dispute. Thanks so much, and have a great day! →Bobby← 15:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Jayjg. What warnings have to be issued to User:159.105.80.92 before issuing a block? I removed one of his edits to a talk page per How to use article talk pages: Keep on topic, then I had a look through his edit history I discovered he'd never used to account for anything except arguing on talk pages. The arguments are typically about the subject of the article, not the article itself, and include PAs. --Rrburke 22:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: I have just contacted new User:Chavatshimshon who has made some big moves in long-standing articles about Jewish topics. Please read what I wrote to him and add your expertise and intervention. Thank you. IZAK 08:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Jay, could you sprotect this page? Subversive element is still trying to edit, in spite of his ban. Thanks, Jakew 18:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest. I didnt miss any messages (they will be in the history even if deleted, right?). I think you can unprotect the page whenever you wish and I appreciate your help. I clearly dont understand the underlying politics on this subject but I will continue with trying to improve the accuracy. Williamwells 20:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, this is a new article we're having problems with. You might be interested in helping out. Check out the history for the state of affairs . Aminz has recently claimed on 3 admin pages that anti-Semitism doesn't exist in the Muslim world, and is keeping out well referenced criticism from prominent critics (though not on the specific issue of anti-Semitism). Arrow740 00:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It looks like you skipped FoF #2 User:Musikfabrik. Was this intentional or just a miss? Thatcher131 01:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
you should look at User:70.218.34.233 Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 06:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It is my uderstanding that you do not like me very much; but notwithstanding, I hope you can be of some aid at Host desecration in your capacity as an administrator.--Lance talk 10:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: Care to comment? Please see: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-17 Religious opposition to same-sex marriage in South Africa. Thank you. IZAK 12:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
You recently twice reverted a change without any comment on the talk page. Since this is a highly contended page, please would explain your reasoning on the talk page rather than simply reverting without comment. Thanks. DJ Clayworth 18:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
See Europeanul (talk · contribs) Khoikhoi 18:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
You've stripped out the cut-and-paste element referencing the Wikipedia page on Kach that stated Kach's current use of the Ger Toshav concept (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_movement), which rather goes against the grain of it falling out of use with the Fall of the Temple. Any particular reason? It is indeed a minority viewpoint, but so is Dhimmitude! Oudemos
Jayjg, reading your comments on WP:ANI, I would support an indefinite block on this user. Suggesting hatred towards a religious group is just not on. I think you have done very much the right thing here. --SunStar Net 00:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
A conservative Journalist is a reliable source when we have Lewis and others???????? --Aminz 00:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
He is a popular writer. Not respected within the academic circles. His argument is clearly false; you can accept it but it is false. --Aminz 00:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Now it becomes interesting. A Florida university-press published book is polemic and a conservative journalist is a reliable source. Interesting. Indeed. --Aminz 00:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I am also interested to hear why Rejwan is a polemicist. Apparently she is a research fellow at the Harry Truman Institute for the Advancement of Peace at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.--Aminz 00:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed the recent edit war at Empire of Atlantium, and I'm pretty sure that Crooked allele (talk · contribs), Enenkian (talk · contribs), and 200.253.168.2 (talk · contribs) are all Wik—the IP appears to be an open proxy. Do you know what should be done about this? Khoikhoi 02:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, please shorten my block. This is an extremely anxious time in my life. Yes, I KNOW I am not supposed to editing with IPs while blocked, and I apoligize for doing that. But I was blocked under wrong premises in the first place, please understand this. Please understand that 3 months is simply too long; impossibly long for a dedicated wikipedia volunteer to wait. As an administrator you have the power and responsibility to decide what is ethically right and wrong, so it would be too radical for me to request that you lift my block altogether (even though that is probably what should have been done). But please reset my block back to what it was before: two months. 12.65.96.84 01:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
In fact, you continue to edit Wikipedia: . If anything, I should lengthen your block. However, if you stop editing right now, and stay away for the rest of the three months, I won't do so. Jayjg (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
You edit-warred and avoided blocks for weeks until you were finally blocked, and the pages you edited protected. As soon as the pages were unprotected, you evaded your blocks again and started edit-warring again. The only "injustice" I see is that you have not yet been permanently blocked; is that what you are looking for? Jayjg (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Make your case here. Jayjg (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
He is back editing again. IrishGuy talk 01:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
No, you are a blocked editor, which means you cannot edit articles, talk pages, category talk pages, user talk pages, or anything else. Next time you edit anything at all on Wikipedia, including my Talk: page, it will be reset to 6 months. Jayjg (talk) 02:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I am serious; edit one more time, and I extend it to 6 months. Take this very, very, very seriously. One more edit, anywhere, including my Talk: page, and it will be 6 months. Do not respond to this post. Jayjg (talk) 02:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, would you consider reducing the block to 2 months, letting him editing only at his own talkpage at User_talk:Zorkfan, and the first time he offends bouncing it back to 6 months? --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 02:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see here. I'm fed up with him. << armon >> 12:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: I came across the page of User:Chabad and I see that he has not made any edits since December 2004! almost two years! Is there any rule about user pages being voided if they have not been used for such a long time?, especially with such a "catchy" name, I also suspect it may have been a sockpuppet of an editor who became more active later, but I have no way of being sure. Best wishes and Shabbat Shalom! IZAK 13:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I've already put a warning on his Talk page, and was just about to rollback all of his vote stacking spam. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added a comment on the subject to the CfD. User:Zoe|(talk) 22:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Loremaster and I would appreciate it if you would look over the Ebionites article and provide suggestions to get it ready for nomination as a featured article. We just finished incorporating the suggestions of Slrubenstein from peer review. Ovadyah 16:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
You've reverted this with the comment "m (Doesn't appear to be any particular "Controversy" about this, aside from it appearing on the website on an unreliable source. Please remember WP:BLP)"
I can't see anything wrong with it - the comments were widely reported (and sometimes condemned) within Israel and further afield. I chose to highlight the jewsagainsttheoccupation link because it was succint and almost devoid of other verbiage that could have been objectionable.
Here's what I added:
In 2003 Benjamin Netanyahu said (speech to the Herzliya Conference on security issues) : "if there is a demographic problem, and there is, it is with the Israeli Arabs who will remain Israeli citizens." Arab-Israeli Knesset member Azmi Bishara commented, "the scandal lies in the fact that this is the only country that speaks of millions of people, who are natives not immigrants, as a demographic problem ... Describing the original residents of this land as a demographic problem would be considered racism in any normal, or even abnormal, country."
Here's what Ha'aretz said on the same topic - should I post this instead?
Aluf Benn and Gideon Alon - Haaretz (18 December 2003)
Israel's growing demographic problem is not because of Palestinians, but of Israeli Arabs, Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said yesterday.
Speaking at the Herzliya Conference on security, Netanyahu said Israel had already freed itself from control of almost all Palestinian Arabs. He said he could not foresee a future in which "any sane Israeli" could try to make Palestinians either Israeli citizens or "enslaved subjects." The Palestinians would under all circumstances rule themselves and administer their own affairs, he said.
"If there is a demographic problem, and there is, it is with the Israeli Arabs who will remain Israeli citizens," he said. The Declaration of Independence said Israel should be a Jewish and democratic state, but to ensure the Jewish character was not engulfed by demography, it was necessary to ensure a Jewish majority, he said.
If Israel's Arabs become well integrated and reach 35-40 percent of the population, there will no longer be a Jewish state but a bi-national one, he said. If Arabs remain at 20 percent but relations are tense and violent, this will also harm the state's democratic fabric. "Therefore a policy is needed that will balance the two."
Jayjg, could you please take a look at this difficult situation? It would be much appreciated.
It relates to Tgubler (talk · contribs). This person was involved in a legal dispute with an organization related to Prem Rawat, having been found stealing computer data as per his own admission, and subsequently involved in a legal imbroglio. He signed an affidavit that was filed with the Supreme Court of Queensland, Australia, in which he admits to stealing computer data "with the purpose of harassing and harming Prem Rawat and his students". He later attempted to recant his testimony, by stating that he signed the affidavit under duress, but the court negated his request on the basis of a "credibility handicap". (State Reporting Bureau - Supreme Court of Queensland, Order 9538 01/03/2004 p.5-7 "The affidavit also makes it plain that the interaction between those present [Gubler and Ms McDonald from Quinn and Scattini] on this occasion was not stressful and that no illegitimate pressure was brought to bear.[...] Gubler suffers from the credibility handicap of having sworn one thing in one occasion and another on a later occasion after having spoken to a party to the proceedings about his evidence" J. Muir.) You can read his affidavit here.
Given what I perceive as a very obvious COI, and given the precarious situation he may find himself when editing Prem Rawat and related articles, I have advised him to contribute to the talk page and have other editors assess his contributions on its merits.
He believes that he does not have such COI, despite being advised that he may. Note that I have welcomed him and attempted to explain why he should be cautious. See User_talk:Tgubler
As I am in a conflict of interest myself in this matter, my advise to him may not be accepted. I would appreciate it if you, as a neutral person, can take a look and offer any help to this user in a way that may be better received.
Many thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I reverted your last edit to Desmond Tutu. Please explain why that's being given undue weight. I also do not understand how that's unsourced... KazakhPol 22:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: The Messianic Judaism editors have been busy lately, you may want to know the following. Thanks. IZAK 19:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Greetings. If you get a chance, please have a look at my lead rewrite of Israel (the prior version read like a travel/ranking guide and almost entirely avoided touching on history). I tried to be understated, but have already met with an unspecified, blind reversion. Thanks. All the best, El_C 21:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
There are only about 4 days left for you to decide whether or not to renew your ArbCom seat - have you decided yet? If so, will you please make your decision public? Scobell302 23:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I made a comment on ANI (see here), but maybe it was late so you didn't see it. I have no opinion about the actions of this editor, whether they were anti-Semitic or not. I didn't actually look at them. But he asked me to look at his case, and I see that he was blocked without being given a fair warning or attempt at discourse. I would therefore like to shorten or waive the remainder of his ban, if you didn't object. -lethe talk + 01:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
To make a long story short
The admin who has a personal grudge against me, had made up some very nice stories about me and has continuously blocked for me 6 months. And a few months ago one of blocks ended and I made a grand total of 0 edits, but then a new char whos ip was not possbile to check appeared started makeing similar edits to mine so he was accussed of beeing a sockpuppet and I got blocked again. Now this can not be a sock puppet since I Superdeng did not do any edits and even if we were the same person then that dosent matter since superdeng was makeing zero edits the new account was created one week after my block was lifted. Bahh this is not a short story it is long. Anyway all I want is a fair trial on the arb com board where I have a chans of defending myself and not where everyone of the imaginasions of the admin is percieved as fact.
So what ever policy i violated has been served in full after 6 months.
Hi Jay: I am having a difference of opinion with User:Inigmatus who insists that Category:WikiProject Messianic Judaism be a sub-category of Category:WikiProject Judaism. I have tried to edit the page , and have even tried a compromise of having it be part of Category:Christian and Jewish interfaith topics instead which would be perfect for it, but each time he reverts me, claiming "We make that call, not you. We're not part of "normative" Christianity either." and this:" "We" is Messianics. either both Judaism and Christain categories, or none go here. We make the call, because Messianics know best what is Messianic." , and he adds on Category talk:WikiProject Messianic Judaism#Main categories: "Either Christian and Judaism categories go here, or they both don't. Not one or the other. Messianics do not ascribe to Chrisitanity, and Judaism is an unrelated category. I didn't put either category in, so I request both be removed, but if one is to be listed, then I request both Christianity and Judaism be listed. "We" Messianics have the right to inform the readers who "we" are affiliated with. inigmatus 04:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)" What do you think should be done? Thanks. IZAK 14:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know these sources - can you check out this edit? Best, Sandy (Talk) 18:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: On 25 October 2006 , User:Inigmatus moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha with the lame excuse "moved Messianic religious practices to Messianic Halakha: As discussed in prior archives, with the creation of the new Messianic Judaism template, this page can now be targeted for clean up: This entire page is better split into two articles" thus opening up a whole new can of worms. This fits into this new pattern of vigorous pro-Messianic Judaism POV edits, moves, categories, projects and articles, basically without warning and ignoring the consensus that has been maintained for some time. The main problem is that the over-all thrust of the recent pro-Messianic Judaism activity is to mimic and and get as close as possible to any and all Judaism, particularly Orthodox Judaism, articles and efforts, so that anyone looking at the one will arrive at the other by sheer proximity and similarity. And I repeat this again, because of its relevance: *User:Inigmatus (contributions), self-described as "A mystery user with a point to be made" (wouldn't that make anything he does as automatically POV?), has added a number of features to Messianic Judaism. A month ago he evidently plagiarized the Template:Judaism and created Template Messianic Judaism based on it. He also created Wikipedia:WikiProject Messianic Judaism also obviously plagiarizing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism page. This may mislead unsuspecting readers and there ought to be some warning or guidance about this. I would suggest that a new template be develpoed that would be placed on Messianic Judaism pages with a "Note: This article deals with Messianic Judaism. It does not represent normative Judaism and does not have any connection with, or official recognition from, any Jewish denominations." IZAK 03:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: In view of the above, please see the new {{NotJudaism}} template:
Feel free to use it where applicable. Thanks. IZAK 05:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, the humanity!
I had my doubts about a second RfA, but even I couldn't have predicted the way it caught fire and inexorably drifted to the ground in flames, causing quite a stir on its way down. Still, it was encouraging to see the level of support and confidence. Thank you for yours, and I hope I'll still have it the next time around. Kafziel Talk 13:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC) |
I'm interested in knowing why one major edit (as per discussions on Talk) and two reversions merit a block of unregistered users, but not, for instance, the many, many more edit-warring reversions and edits by registered users. If the article is going to be protected, it should be fully so, rather than aimed simply at those who prefer to edit without an account. Thanks for your attention, and please respond to this note on Talk:John Chrysostom, if you don't mind, especially since it would be nice if you'd explain your action there, too. Thank you! 70.105.220.100 02:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Jay,
I know some people think of you as "pro israel". I know you think of yourself as fair and pro-NPOV. The problem is that if you strive for accuracy you need to seeq out the real facts - even those facts that are not easy to find on the net. The pother problem (in the above article and in the apartheid article ) is explained in this:
Talk:Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid#NPOV.
So I suggest you ignore the critics and indeed work on making Wikipedia NPOV. It is impossible that you will make an edit in the name of "accuracy" and yet leave the article body starting with the words "critics argue" and the Lead will be without the most important fact about that law. Zeq 03:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Were there any others? Khoikhoi 05:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hafrada&diff=prev&oldid=91197177 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeq (talk • contribs) 18:38, 30 November 2006
Gnetwerker (talk · contribs) is requesting unblock, after you blocked him/her for using sockpuppets (block reason: "Has been told again and again not to sockpuppet"). I'm going to hazzard a guess it was a CU finding, hence you should probably deal with it. Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 06:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
the edit summary doesn't make much sense with the edit. JoshuaZ 21:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Could you please tell me why you blocked me? I have only done minor proofreading-type corrections to articles (unless my username has been hijacked or something). thanks oh, I am Tyranny Sue —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyranny Sue (talk • contribs) 23:33, 1 December 2006
here: Slrubenstein | Talk 16:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg. I noticed that last week you blocked DrL, an involved party in the case. Would you consider recusing? Thanks, Tim Smith 20:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response on my talk page, Jayjg. I understand that you consider yourself to be uninvolved, but your actions have received comment (second paragraph) in the evidence, and per WP:RfAr, grounds for recusal need only be "possible, or perceived". I respectfully ask you to reconsider. Tim Smith 21:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I humbly disagree, Jayjg. I noticed the same thing when I described your block-trading maneuver on the Evidence page. (In all fairness, it might not have looked so bad had it not come directly on the heels of a blatant abuse of administrative authority by FeloniousMonk, and had it not been directed at one of the people being attacked by FeloniousMonk and the troll he turned loose to aid him in an ongoing RfAr over which you were presiding.) However, although I considered asking you to recuse, I decided instead to give you the benefit of the doubt. I now see that this was a mistake. Did you even bother to take a close, in-context look at the evidence on the strength of which you voted to ban DrL and me from editing the article that FeloniousMonk and his friends have been attacking? I rather doubt it, for the simple reason that it doesn't support your actions. My edits to the CML bio were almost nonexistent, and DrL was the only editor in persistent compliance with WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, and WP:BLP. If not for her, the article would have been a defamatory shambles months ago. In view of these circumstances, which I regard as undeniable, I'm politely asking you to do the right thing and recuse yourself after the fact...not because I think you will, mind you, but because I sincerely believe that it's the right thing for you to do. Thanks for your attention, and have a good day. Asmodeus 08:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
While many of the editor's edits had NPOV issues I'm not sure it was so bad as to justify semi-protection. JoshuaZ 04:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'd prefer it removed for now but have no strong preference (I just don't see much of a policy justification for it). If if it continues then I'd agree with semi-protecting. (Also, feel free to become involved and have another admin deal with protection decisions, the current article is in very poor shape). JoshuaZ 04:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
What is your explanation for reverting my edit? It's a valid edit, please see my comments on the talk page of the article for my reasoning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch NME (talk • contribs)
Hello, you should definitely watch him because he really has an agenda. Thanks, cheers, 82.230.180.185 15:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Jayjg. Please read my most recent edits to the ScienceApologist RfAr Workshop page. [1,2,3,4] and particularly this one right here. I hate to seem impertinent, but may I ask who you people think you are, that you can define the class of articles relating to the work of Christopher Michael Langan to include Crank (person)? Do you really think that this is appropriate? And if not, then why are you voting on proposals without understanding exactly what they say? For that matter, why are you ignoring over five months of background on this case, including a long history of vicious personal attacks made against me and DrL? Regardless of any opinion to the contrary, we've tried very hard to address our problems within the bounds of WP at the expense of vast amounts of our own time, and I'm still trying very hard to avoid reaching some extremely unpleasant conclusions here. But in view of the above observations, it appears to me that your decisions may contain substantial elements of personal bias and antipathy. Thanks in advance for your considered response. Asmodeus 18:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, you here accused me of "making things up that are not supported by the references. If you go to the article and question, and read references 4 and 5 you will find that what I wrote was exactly suported by the references. I expect an apology immediately. DJ Clayworth 18:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
To begin with, I'm fully familiar with references 4 and 5, since I am the person who brought them to the article in the first place. I daresay I've brought at least 50% of the references to that article, perhaps more. Next, did you read my initial comment? Sadly, I'll have to repeat much of it. Reference 4 does not refer to what "most Jews" believe, or indeed, to what any Jews believe - rather, it talks about virtual unanimity among denominations. Denominations are not Jews, and we don't care what "Jews" believe, since they believe a million different things - rather, we are writing about the doctrines of Judaism. Next, references 4 and 5 are used to support other sentences and thoughts in the article. They were not used to support the statement that "belief in the divinity of Jesus is incompatible with Judaism". Reference #14 was used to support that point, and it used 12 reliable sources to back it up. You changed the wording to make an entirely different point about what "most Jews" believe, but still left reference 14 as the footnote - but none of the sources used in reference 14 backed up your claim about "most Jews", since none of them referred to what "most Jews" believe. Therefore, you made up things that were not supported by the references that were supposed to support your claim. Now, how about that apology? Jayjg (talk) 22:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Again, reference 4 does not back up your claim; denominations and Jews are different things. When you say "virtual unanimity among denominations" that is an entirely different claim that "most Jews". I can't think of any way of saying that more simply. And Jewish denominations are extremely well defined; they have seminaries, educational institutions, organizing bodies, affiliated synagogues, etc. Conservative Judaism is not some fuzzy concept. Next, this is the edit you made. Note, the sentence you changed is supported by reference #14. Not references 4 or 5, which support different points made 2 sections earlier. Reference 5 is nowhere near the sentence you changed. Please read the article carefully. You claimed to be making the text match the references; however, the existing text matched reference 14, and the text you changed it to did not match reference 14, which was the reference supporting that sentence. Read what the references for that sentence say; they talk about the incompatibility of a belief in Jesus with Judaism. They don't talk about what "most Jews" believe. When you changed the sentence, you misrepresented the sources backing it up. Then, to compound the problem, you insisted that the reference said exactly what you said, when reference 14 said nothing of the sort, and demanded an apology from me, and continue to make claims about your edit that simply do not square with the facts. Jayjg (talk) 23:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
How can I explain this? That's a different point!!! There are two points here; whether or not Jews for Jesus is "Jewish", and whether or not Jesus as deity is compatible with Judaism. Jews for Jesus is an evangelical organization, Jesus as deity is a religious doctrine. They are separate points, regarding different ideas, supported by separate sources. Both points are made in the article. Virtually all Jewish denominations consider Jews for Jesus not Jewish, and belief in Jesus as deity, Christ, etc. is not compatible with Judaism. Separate points, both true, both referenced, both mentioned in the article. Jayjg (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Why do we need to get rid of that? Is it indeed under dispute? Again, there are 12 sources that say exactly that, that belief in Jesus etc. is incompatible with Judaism; are there sources that say belief in Jesus etc. is compatible with Judaism? Which sources say it is compatible with Judaism? Jayjg (talk) 23:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 19:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Did you intentionally skip voting on prinicple #8 8) Wikipedia administrators are expected to consult...? Thatcher131 21:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
שלום חביבי, I don't want to get involved in the stupid flamewar on the Jew Watch talk page, but I'm really curious why this page can't actually call Jew Watch anti-semetic. Because I hate overused holocoust examples, I'll avoid one, but if you look of the Protocols of the elders of zion page it's clearly lists as antisemitism (it get's the antisemitism sidebar!) So my question is, how is Jew Watch different from the protocols? Sure it claims objectivity, but so did the protocols. When it comes down to it, isn't Jew Watch, like the protocols, just a bizarre blend of fact and fiction put together to achieve maximal antisemitic bias and effect? I don't think you'll find much controversy (except from anti-semites) that this sort of stuff (like opposing a state of Israel for its own sake in spite of other non-opposed states with the same issues) is just antisemitism in a different guise? Thanks! Avraham 02:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Amazing- you refer me to a rule that was edited out of the policy over six months ago. And not "unilaterally" as you would have it, but after months of discussion going back to April, 06. See the archived discussions there please. The bottom line is that for the last six months the policy has read :
Also, it is clear that you cannot erase my own comments from my own talkpage without a good reason. Until now I have assumed good faith and I would like to continue to do so. Take this as friendly advice: please do not erase comments from my talkpage. Good luck 68.198.236.57 17:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi. According to its content, this page should be moved to Khalid Abdul Muhammad, but only an admin could do it. Would you be so kind? Many thanks ! 212.198.152.222 19:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm advocating Nobs01 on a try for appealing a decision against him taken by Arbcom some months before. The point is that we think that is necessary to restore some mediation pages in order to see the evidence that it was there and was deleted. There is already someone willing to help us, but, I considered that maybe you could take a look on this. If interested, the list of pages is on User talk:Flcelloguy/Sandbox. Thank you! --Neigel von Teighen 00:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Pedia-I/SmileyAward5Thank you for all your hard work in the terrible mess. This is the closest thing I could find to a plate of cookies.NinaEliza 06:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, I have nominated the Ebionites article for Good Article status . Can you review it or suggest someone else knowledgeable about early Judaism and Christianity to take a look at it? Ovadyah 01:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Embargo&oldid=93568874 Zeq 14:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I knew he was back, but I've been under the impression that he's been playing nice with everyone on WP. Thanks for leaving a note on my Talk page. -- llywrch 03:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Jayjg, I strongly urge you to use the reason and good judgement which have earned you the respect of so many in this community, and reconsider this block. Thanks--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 10:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
By a comfortable margin, the most difficult person I've encountered on Wikipedia to date...and that was before I knew about the new generation of sockpuppets. I don't know if it's considered poor taste to thank an admin for banning someone, but I suspect admins don't get a lot of thanks for their dirty work. Thank you for your diligence in investigating his activity. Dppowell 05:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Jay: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ignatz Lichtenstein (2nd nomination). Thanks. IZAK 10:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm very curious. Why do you feel that there should be no article on the term and/or allegations of "Israeli apartheid". Could you be specific on what wikipedia criteria for omission this article would fall under. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but what you have said so far seems to be "well since we couldn't delete this objectionable article, we decided to change the article's name, ignoring typical wikipedia naming conventions." So I am inquiring further to learn more. --Andrew c 21:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for voting oppose to the motion to close. Even if the final decision goes counter to my hopes, I am hoping that further consideration by the members of the ArbCom will at least cause you to reword your propseal, as of right now, those of us sitting on the outside are feeling that we can't do anything right no matter what we do. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I posted my question for you there. I hope for clarification and agreement. I do not want to battle you on reverts, since its unpleasant and, with my lack of Wikipedia experience, will probably just end up with you and others slaughtering my username. The Behnam 19:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
submitted to DYK. Improve if you can. - crz crztalk 19:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Please be aware that there is active, ongoing work on proposed decisions regarding this case at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan/Workshop. Closing may be premature. Please review that page. Thank you. --Durin 13:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Whats your take on my jewish welcome template {{bruchim}}? Its been nominated for deletion. frummer 23:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that you recently deleted this new page in utmost possible haste. Thanks so much for your graciousness, tact, explanation, and most of all your strict POV-based censorship. I understand that a previous version of the page had been voted for deletion a few months ago (though I doubt the 5 or 6 voters thought very much about the issue), and I realize that Deleting is one of your officially designated hobbies on Wikipedia. Looking at your Contributions, I can see that you are very sensitive to and engaged in all Wikipedia matters concerning Israel. So, it makes sense that you would spring into action to suppress anything that may reflect negatively on Israel. Never mind how well known it is that every country spies on its allies; never mind the many mainstream media sources and references that were given in the article; never mind that it was written in an even and neutral tone; you had to expunge it from Wikipedia as fast as you could. "It's a conspiracy theory," you say, and your peanut gallery of 5 honorable voters nod their heads gravely. Actually, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's reality; some people have extrapolated from the reality into the realms of 9/11 fantasies and other nonsense, which the article did not mention, but the fact remains that dozens of young Israelis were traveling around the US, ostensibly selling paintings, trying to gain access to federal facilities, and the DEA wrote a 60 page report about it. True, this document is not hosted on a DEA web site, but did you see all the mainstream news stories in which DEA says yes, this report exists? A little later, dozens or even 200 Israelis really were deported. Anyway, if your "Standard of Proof" is so doggone high, and if everything not meeting this standard must be deleted as fast as possible, I demand the immediate deletion of the following Wikipedia articles, among hundreds of others: Acupuncture, Ball lightning, Bermuda Triangle, Bigfoot, Cattle mutilation, Chiropractic, Clairvoyance, Extra-sensory perception, Ghosts, Homeopathy, Leprechaun, Loch Ness Monster, Ouija, Psychic, Qi, Shroud of Turin, Telekinesis, UFO, Will o' the wisp, Yeti, and Zombies. Thanks for being such an even-handed super-heroic arbiter of Justice. I am so impressed.
Hi Jay: Could you please take a look at what I have said so far at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orthodox Halakha, someone is playing the fool one time too many and something needs to be done about it before things get out of hand. Thanks a lot and Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 10:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Just delete it altogether! He created it to send to AfD, for crying out loud. Either POINT or CSD G7 gets you there - crz crztalk 17:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
You made the claim that "The New antisemitism is about antisemitism that started with the left in the late 80s, and gained significant ground through alliances with the far right, and Muslims in the 21st century" Please either source it or take it back. If you take it back, please don't remove the added material or at least the tag before providing another argument. --Aminz 21:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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