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, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. T. Canens (talk) 05:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)Jagged 85 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
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I'm confused why you decided on an indefinite ban (I assume a permanent ban?) so quickly without listening to the other side of the story? As this ArbCom case in March 2011 shows, there are just as many editors who disagree with the allegations in the RFC, so the community consensus is clearly not as one-sided as you may think. It was only then, after I noticed how many Islam-related articles were being stubbed simply because of that RfC, that I started becoming more critical of the RfC and started expressing regret for refusing to present a counter-argument or get other editors involved at the time before any damage could be done (which I refused to do back then simply to avoid stress).
Like I stated during that ArbCom case, the examples presented against me were cherry-picked to present me in the worst light possible, as if these bad edits are the norm rather than the exception. Like I've said before, I acknowledged that I have occasionally made bad edits, but what editor hasn't made bad edits before? If you spend so much time analyzing an editor's edit history in so much detail, you can easily find bad edits for any Wikipedia editor. I've noticed plenty of similarly bad edits before from the very same editors accusing me, but was never willing to put the time and effort in to pursue the issue. In fact, an editor involved in that ArbCom case even requested to me to attempt such an analysis for several editors in response to the RfC, but I refused back then because of the amount of work that may require.
Regarding my more recent work on video games, if you look at the large amount of information I've contributed, the vast majority (I'm certain at least more than 95%) of that information matches the sources very accurately. If there has been any odd errors made in between, I assure you that it was simply an error of judgement. Also, neither bridies or Indrian ever raised any issues about my editing practices until they, at least in Indrian's case, noticed there was an RfC in my name.
Also, my accusers argue that I have not shown any improvement over the years, when in fact I have shown very clear evidence of improvement. In the evidence presented against me in the original RFC, the vast majority of examples were from 2007-2008, with very few examples from 2009-2010, showing that I did make plenty of improvement at the time, something that the RfC in 2010 never acknowledged. And despite there never being any official topic ban, I avoided editing topics related to Islam, or even the history of science and technology, out of good will for the past two years, even despite my criticisms against the RfC. In addition, the vast majority of my references since then (whether to do with films, music, video games, or other topics) have been very easily accessible, so your comment that "a lot of the problems involve difficult-to-obtain sources" is not true at all for most of the edits I've made in the past two years (even when it came to books, I've always tried to post a Google Books link when available). If I really wanted to systemically abuse/misuse/misrepresent sources, why would I make all my references very visible for other users to check? Since the RfC, I've always tried my best to avoid repeating any of the same mistakes again, even making it clear back in January 2011 that I wish to avoid any mention of "first" as much as possible. More recently, as soon as bridies and Indrian raised issues with my editing practices in my work on video games, I immediately took what they had to say on board, asked one of them for any constructive criticism, and even went back to review some of my previous edits to fix any errors I notice, evident in my edits since then. All this evidence shows that I have made plenty of improvements with my editing practices over the years. Just because I continue to reject the allegations of "systematically" abusing/misusing/misrepresenting sources, that does not mean I was ever unwilling to make any improvements or accept constructive criticism, because all the evidence I've pointed to above clearly show the contrary.
I know some may think it's unacceptable for an editor who's been around for so long to continue making errors, but considering the large amount of contributions I've been making and the entire articles I've often had to build up on my own without any outside help, how can one not expect me to make any errors? I would argue that the same criticisms apply to many articles written mostly by a single author, as each individual tends to focus on certain aspects of a subject more than others. Even articles written by professionals are bound to contain errors (especially ones written by journalists, for example), so why is it that my contributions are expected to meet a perfect gold standard that even many professionals often don't meet? Why am I being treated like a vandal with a permanent ban for making common human errors in good faith? Despite my willingness to take criticism on board and all these improvements I've been making over the years, it seems like it just isn't enough for some. After all, it's just my word against a dozen others... But like that ArbCom case showed above, there's also a dozen or so who'd disagree with those allegations. The only thing I could do is to continue to make improvements and be more careful about my edits, but if some people refuse to believe I've even made any improvements to begin with since 2007, what's the point? I've more recently tried to make amends with bridies and Indrian, and expressed a willingness to co-operate with them and accept constructive criticism, but if they think that's not enough, what's the point?
I'm not sure what else to add, because I could probably go on and on arguing my case, but considering what you've said before (that you "don't think there's anything they could say that will change my mind"), I'm starting to doubt whether anything I say really would change your mind. Maybe it really is just futile? Whatever you decide (whether reducing the block or leaving it a permanent ban), I'd rather end my Wikipedia editing "career" (well, it did almost feel like one) letting everyone know my views rather than leaving in silence.
P.S. I know the guidelines say such long ramblings won't help get an unblock, but there's too much ground to cover for me to be short and concise. Also, it might say "Admit to it" would be a good way to get an unblock, but I just can't "admit" to something that I feel is untrue (specifically regarding the allegations about systematically abusing/misusing sources). However, "Make people trust you again" and "Don't do it again" are most certainly things that I can do, and have been trying to do ever since I became aware of the issues that bridies and Indrian raised in recent weeks. And finally, regarding "Tell us why you are here", I'm here for more or less the same reason as most other Wikipedia editors: to improve Wikipedia. In particular, I've always tried to make whatever articles I edit as informative as possible, sometimes even to the point of criticism that they're a bit too informative. That's something I've been thinking about recently, that maybe reducing the amount of content I add might help me focus better and prevent errors getting through. I've also been thinking about asking for more outside help on articles rather than editing them mostly on my own without any outside input (since the more users working on an article, the better it usually turns out). I've also been thinking about promoting some of the articles I've been working on to GA status (something I mostly avoided for a long time), which would of course require more outside input on them. I'm sure there's more improvements I could make, but that's something I've expressed willingness to work on with other video game project members (specifically Indrian and bridies). Not sure if that's good enough though, but to be honest, I don't really mind if I don't get an unblock any time soon, maybe even never. Whatever the decision, I'll just accept it as the way things were meant to be. Jagged 85 (talk) 05:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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Please shorten your appeal, and limit it to directly addressing the concerns that led to this block and what you will to do prevent future occurrences of the same issues. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 18:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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It will take too long to address every single one of them, but I'll try to address some of the examples listed under "Major misuses of sources" for now:
And that's all I can do for now. Like I said, I could address more of the issues raised, but that would take a long time, and it already took quite long addressing the issues raised above. Like I've said before, these were simply errors of judgement (and only represent a very tiny percentage of my overall work) and that my editing practices have in fact shown considerable improvement over the years (taking whatever criticism I've heard on board and trying to avoid them as much as possible). If you don't feel my explanations above are adequate enough, and you still feel anything less than a permanent ban is too little punishment, then there's probably not much more I can do to convince you otherwise. All I can say is that I've tried my best.
Jagged 85 (talk) 13:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay, slightly off-topic here, but has Wikipedia been on some kind of banning spree lately? After higher-profile bans like this and this (and plenty more), I kind of feel like I'm just next in line to get banned. Not sure what to make of it, but I've been starting to find (even before I was blocked) Wikipedia's banning policy quite disturbing as of late. What's with the increasing punitive measures lately? Are these bans supposed to set some kind of "example" to other editors? I'm not even sure what kind of example Wikipedia is trying to set with all these bans? That Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia that "anyone can edit" and not the "sum of all human knowledge"? Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm only asking this as a question, not as some kind of excuse for myself. Jagged 85 (talk) 02:11, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Jagged 85. Pursuant to the discussion that took place at the Incidents noticeboard, you are hereby notified that you have been formally banned from the English Wikipedia by community consensus. As such, you may not be unblocked by an individual administrator through use of the {{unblock}} template or the Unblock Ticket Request System; instead, you may appeal your ban to the community, or via email to the Arbitration Committee's Ban Appeals Subcommittee at arbcom-appeals-enlists.wikimedia.org. If you choose to appeal to the community, you may present a statement on this page, accompanied by a {{helpme}} or {{adminhelp}} template, requesting that your statement be copied to the Administrator's Noticeboard for comment and review.
Please note also that this ban only applies to the English Wikipedia; despite calls for a global ban in the discussion noted above, no such sanction exists yet, and even if it did you don't qualify and this community lacks the ability to subject you to such anyway. Therefore, you are free to edit other projects should you so choose, but I would advise you to avoid issues similar to those that have led to your ban here. In the past, productive editing on other projects has been viewed favorably by the community and Arbitration Committee when reviewing ban appeals.
I regret that I have to leave you this notice, but I wish you luck with your future endeavors. Hersfold (t/a/c) 05:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
A recent edit redirected this talk page to the corresponding user page. For the reason given below I don't believe this is a good idea. Nor does it appear to be justified by any Wikipedia policy or guideline. The justification cited for the redirection in its edit summary was an essay—not a policy or guideline—devoted to opinions on how to deal with vandalism. Moreover, it's at least disputable whether Jagged 85's activities constituted vandalism as it's defined by Wikipedia policy, and I would, in fact, dispute it. I have therefore reverted the redirection.
There are many links to discussions (mostly now archived) on this talk page in the Jagged 85 Rfc, its associated evidence page, and other pages devoted to the subsequent cleanup. As an occasional contributor to the cleanup effort I have many times needed to consult this talk page or its archives to check up on some item of information. I would presume that other, more active contributors to the cleanup effort would have done so as well. They should not be put to the entirely unnecessary inconvenience of being redirected to the user page, having to click the link at the top to get back to the talk page, bringing up the talk page history and only then finally getting to the page they originally wanted by clicking on the appropriate link in the history.
On the other hand, if Jagged 85 himself were to request that his talk page be courtesy blanked and redirected to his user page (has he?), then I believe his wishes in that respect should be followed. In my opinion, that would provide sufficient justification for disregarding any inconvenience the redirection might cause other editors.
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