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This article:
Turkish_courts-martial_of_1919–20
is being randomly vandalized by different IP's, reverting obsolete information that was discussed in the talk page.
I have reported this. What is the best thing to do? --92slim (talk) 18:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- @92slim: Done. See here. Check out what I did so you can learn and handle it yourself in the future. Good catch, Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- @92slim: Defense of Van (1915) should be sent to page protection for temporary semi-protection. Try it out. Let's see how much you've learned ;) Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure you're as much to thank for this as I, if not more. I'm happy to see it. :) MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 12:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Whenever you post about another user on WP:ANI (as you did here), you must notify them of the discussion. I have notified the user in question for you this time. Please remember to do this in the future. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Nihonjoe: Sorry bout that. I did ping him at ANI, but I guess that's not enough. Will let him know on his talk page next time! Thanks, Étienne Dolet (talk) 16:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, there's a giant orange box on the edit page when you post on ANI, indicating that you must notify them on their talk page. Live and learn. :) ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:01, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
I've changed the protection to last until 26 April. Hope that works. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 04:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I have opened an ANI discussion here that may concern you. c1cada (talk) 02:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear user, Thank you for your message and please inform me if im wrongdoing by discussing this here. I re read the arbcom and the cases against you and for you, while i understand this constant nagging both from Armenian and Azerbaijani side is non-stop and i believe it wont stop. Despite representing Azerbaijani side i clearly want the wikipedia to remain neutral side however this is hard to achieve since most articles tend to be in favor with more active group. Here is my point for arguing why Nagorno Karabagh should be used instead of "Artsakh" i believe a similar issue was with Ararat vs Agri Dagi where the favor was with Ararat since it used more commonly by media and others. Well then same should go here as well since both the official name as well mostly used term is Nagorno Kabagh the feel im getting is that on Armenian articles they can put Artsakh while on neutral Nagorno Karabagh which i believe is wrong since Ararat is in Turkey well then why Turkey doesn't get to do that as well? Well this is my main arguments for the change of Artaskh to N/K i believe its more neutral and is inline with the policy. the edit i made i believe was right and i would to discuss on the reasons why it should be ass i understood similar problems have persistent since 2006-7 Agulani (talk) 07:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
- My problem isn't with the word Artsakh. Your edit included a segment which referred to the 'de jure part of Azerbaijan Republic'. Although that may be true, we should much rather adopt a more neutral term by just saying Nagorno-Karabakh. Also, please go back to the talk page of Henrikh Mkhitaryan if you want to continue this discussion. I appreciate it. Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Any clue who added the name "Mar'ou'a" to the Persian translation here? One of the languages I speak is Persian, and absolutely no one refers to it as Mar'ou'a or even knows what it means. Everyone just refers to it as "Lavash", and that's how it's written there correctly as well before that strange word.
Wanna know what you think about it.
- LouisAragon (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
- @LouisAragon: I have no idea. It's best to remove it until someone can provide a source. Étienne Dolet (talk) 14:57, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yep, I had exactly the same in mind ;) Just did so. Thanks for your opinion. LouisAragon (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
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You may want to search your recent blanket reversion for "exisiting" to correct it and add punctuation at the end of the sentence. Some of the simple things shouldn't be all that controversial. You should be careful to not reintroduce errors when doing such reverts.
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You may wish to give your input to the "discussion" over the reliability of the sources concerning the mosque being built on a former Armenian cemetery. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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I've opened a section in the talk page if you want to chime in as to why genocide should not be added. Ninetoyadome (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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I'd be happy to work with you. :D I see you've already made a pretty good start. Beyond what I found online, at the linked page, I really don't know anything, tho; I was going to rework that into a stub. Take whatever you need from there.
If I can make a request in return, tho, maybe you can help out. I've seen articles on Ala Kart, California Kid, & the Hirohata Merc, but haven't got access to the mags with them. Any adds you can make to those, like clarifying the chop on the Merc, would be a plus. Anything at custom car & hot rod, too, especially sourcing for terms. Thx! TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 05:29, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Trekphiler Oh my, I didn't know there were Wikipedia articles of these cars already. It's quite odd though, Gejeian is not the main designer of these cars, although sources state that he is (at least the ones I found). Anyhow, I'll perhaps copy and paste some of this information into Gejeian's article. I'll also help out with those articles as well.
- Also, I ran into sources that says Gejeian won the NASCAR five times, but I can't seem to verify that anywhere. Would you know a thing or two about that?
- P.S. I'm not a big car guy. I'm just interested with members of the Armenian community. So I don't know much about the technicalities of these roadsters. Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- ♠Not a car guy? :( Oh, well.
- ♠No, I'm afraid I can't confirm his NASCAR wins. AFAIK, he wasn't national champ, ever; he may've had 5 race wins in GN or GS. (The name's just "tickle the memory" familiar.) Beyond that... I'd say, double check your sources to clarify if its says race wins or not.
- ♠One other thing. When you're done the Gejeian page, will you move it to Mike Gejeian? That'll save fixing the links at the Ala Kart & List of automotive customizers pages. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:04 & 06:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- TrekphilerI was actually thinking to move it to "Blackie Gejeian" per WP:COMMONNAME. Google yields only 131 results for "Mike Gejeian" but 3500+ results for "Blackie Gejeian". I'll have a redirect from Mike Gejeian to Blackie Gejeian though. I'll also have a redirect from his other more or less formal names like Michael Gejeian or Mike "Blackie" Gejeian. What do you think? Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- You know what? It's just as easy for me to go fix the links now, & leave it as "Blackie". Save adding needless redirects. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:26, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Trekphiler Done :) I still couldn't verify that NASCAR issue though. Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- ♠Ah, well... Have a look at some of the NASCAR bio pages (Fireball Roberts & Richard Petty come immediately to mind) & see if you can track it down through the NASCAR results links there. Or try the Daytona 500 race reports pages. I've seen (but don't recall the name of :( ) a page that has all the results by driver & event, which is used as a WP source; if he's credited with any wins, he should show up there.
- ♠Also, much as I appreciate it, a "thanks" every time I reply here is a bit overdone. :D TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 09:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Haha, I wouldn't want to get on your bad side :) BTW, I'll be nominating Gejeian for DYK soon. Étienne Dolet (talk) 09:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Trekphiler Done :) I still couldn't verify that NASCAR issue though. Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- You know what? It's just as easy for me to go fix the links now, & leave it as "Blackie". Save adding needless redirects. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:26, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- TrekphilerI was actually thinking to move it to "Blackie Gejeian" per WP:COMMONNAME. Google yields only 131 results for "Mike Gejeian" but 3500+ results for "Blackie Gejeian". I'll have a redirect from Mike Gejeian to Blackie Gejeian though. I'll also have a redirect from his other more or less formal names like Michael Gejeian or Mike "Blackie" Gejeian. What do you think? Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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Stop being a vandal, I cited sources in the issue's talk page. I can show my feelings, YOU CAN NOT INTERRUPT a humanistic thing, true things I have lived, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, here I am free as how much you are free. Don't editwar with me in a talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karak1lc1k (talk • contribs) 00:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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@Nvvchar: Hey Etienne, just want to say I'm fine with the hook for Reshid Akif Pasha. If that was the purpose of the phrasing, it certainly worked! Sorry for the long delay in my response, I hope my inaction hasn't been holding up the nomination. I tried to leave a comment on the nomination's page, but can't seem to locate the link when I click on it. Cheers --Al Ameer (talk) 19:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Al Ameer son: Thank you Al Ameer. Your advice was well taken. Take care, Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:11, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
| On 19 September 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rasim Aliyev, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Azerbaijani human rights activist Rasim Aliyev was beaten and later died after criticizing a football player for an improper gesture during a game? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rasim Aliyev. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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| On 20 September 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Reshid Akif Pasha, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ottoman statesman Reshid Akif Pasha (pictured) once said "I am ashamed as a Muslim"? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Thank you for writing an excellent article on Reshid Akif Pasha. Very well done! --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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You've probably been notified that I reverted you (although I'm not sure that a manual deletion notifies). Anyway, as lead is meant to be a summary of the article, and what you added was a fringe view contradicted in the article. You also used a self-published source - see WP:SPS - which in fact was just citing Harouni, whose views are mentioned and disputed in the article. Doug Weller (talk) 10:45, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Etienne,
Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Hovhannes Aivazovsky - The Ninth Wave - Google Art Project.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 12, 2015. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2015-10-12. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492: Whatever happened to this? Did it go up? Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I saw that it did. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yep. I'd have noticed if there'd been changes. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I saw that it did. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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| On 3 October 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Blackie Gejeian, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Blackie Gejeian rebuilt a roadster he had crashed and renamed it "Shish Kebob"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Blackie Gejeian. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:25, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Please see my response. Nyttend (talk) 00:04, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hello Nyttend. I really appreciate your upfront honesty and courage. Even when I didn't demand an apology, you did it anyways. And I respect you for that. Not only is my confidence towards you restored, but my initial respect for you has an admin has increased even more so. I'm happy to say that we can safely get passed this and move on to more important things. Regards, Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:52, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. It wouldn't be right not to apologise after the mess I caused. Two requests: (1) Would you be willing to create Étienne Dolet as a doppelgänger? I accidentally notified it, rather than you, in an edit just before the linked response. (2) If it doesn't already exist, would you be willing to create a map with the Kurdish-majority provinces highlighted? This mess aside, it would be helpful to readers who have no idea of contemporary Turkish geography; I know more about themata than vilayet, e.g. I have no idea what province(s) embrace what was once Mesopotamia. Nyttend (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nyttend I created the doppelganger just now: . As for your second request, I'm working on a map at this thread User talk:Goran tek-en. And by highlighting did you mean that the provinces should be named on the map itself? Étienne Dolet (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! No, I was thinking of a language-neutral map, with the Kurdish-majority provinces just a different color, comparable to the way the poorest US counties are highlighted at File:Lowpcimap.svg. Or I could just do it, I suppose: I was just thinking of taking File:BlankMapTurkeyProvinces.png and highlighting Dersim, Bingöl, Muş, Ağrı, Iğdır, Elazığ, Diyarbakır, Batman, Şırnak, Bitlis, Van, Mardin, Siirt and Hakkari, once I figure out what those are. Nyttend (talk) 22:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, here's the map; use it if you think it would help, and don't if you don't. The list on the description page is similar to the one in the Turkey article; aside from being alphabetised, it's the same except for one name, because I used the current Tunceli instead of the former Dersim. Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nyttend That's a great map. Great work. Definitely usable and worth having on the project. I could see users complaining about the fact that provinces, such as Kars and Ardahan, which are majority Kurdish in a big part of those province, are not highlighted at all. As you can see with the current map, some parts of those provinces are highlighted. I think that will give a more detailed look. Anyways, here's my proposition: I propose having different choices of maps (i.e. the Britannica, the Kurdish Academy, the current one, yours, and etc.) But I don't want it to be confusing for us all. So your map can definitely be a candidate. At the talk page of Turkey, I also said that we can even replace your map with the current one as it will effectively remove all concerns about the sourcing of the current map. I don't know how much of a professional map maker you are, but given a good faith on your abilities, do you know if you can use this map and transfer the green highlighted area over to the province map of Turkey? Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:05, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Stop assuming that much good faith :-) That's well beyond my abilities; literally all I did with the other one was (1) open the blank provinces map in Windows Paint, (2) get the list of Kurdish-majority provinces from the article, (3) find the provinces from the infobox map at Provinces of Turkey, (4) flood fill the provinces in question, and (5) upload. If it required anything close to good graphics abilities, I wouldn't have been able to do it. Maybe you already know about this, but what if you asked at WP:GL/M? Meanwhile, since we have sources saying that the CIA map depicts the actual boundaries of the Kurdish-majority area, I'd support using it instead of my map, simply because as you note, the Kurdish-majority areas go far beyond the Kurdish-majority provinces; it leaves me wondering if the Kurds have a slight majority in rural areas that's more than cancelled out by big non-Kurdish majorities in cities. As a result, the two simply have different functions (mine would be good for politics-related issues and in the absence of the CIA map or something like it) and shouldn't be substituted for each other. Perhaps it would be good in Electoral system of Turkey and/or Kurdish nationalism, for example? Nyttend (talk) 00:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nyttend Well the Britannica map shows something very interesting. There's pockets of majority areas around the capital Ankara. Perhaps it's because the Kurdish-Turkey conflict dispersed many people towards the interior provinces. So I think that's worthy to highlight onto the map. You raise a great point about the use for political articles. In fact, I'll go about and add them to those articles. And yes, I will appeal to GL/M. But first, I want this map to finish. All these maps are indeed confusing. So let's make the right choice. Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:26, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it's quite interesting and quite useful. I would help you if I could; the problem is simply my lack of graphics ability and graphics software. And I've left a note at Talk:Turkey explaining why I don't think it should replace the CIA map and giving examples of what I thought it would be useful for. Nyttend (talk) 00:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nyttend Well the Britannica map shows something very interesting. There's pockets of majority areas around the capital Ankara. Perhaps it's because the Kurdish-Turkey conflict dispersed many people towards the interior provinces. So I think that's worthy to highlight onto the map. You raise a great point about the use for political articles. In fact, I'll go about and add them to those articles. And yes, I will appeal to GL/M. But first, I want this map to finish. All these maps are indeed confusing. So let's make the right choice. Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:26, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Stop assuming that much good faith :-) That's well beyond my abilities; literally all I did with the other one was (1) open the blank provinces map in Windows Paint, (2) get the list of Kurdish-majority provinces from the article, (3) find the provinces from the infobox map at Provinces of Turkey, (4) flood fill the provinces in question, and (5) upload. If it required anything close to good graphics abilities, I wouldn't have been able to do it. Maybe you already know about this, but what if you asked at WP:GL/M? Meanwhile, since we have sources saying that the CIA map depicts the actual boundaries of the Kurdish-majority area, I'd support using it instead of my map, simply because as you note, the Kurdish-majority areas go far beyond the Kurdish-majority provinces; it leaves me wondering if the Kurds have a slight majority in rural areas that's more than cancelled out by big non-Kurdish majorities in cities. As a result, the two simply have different functions (mine would be good for politics-related issues and in the absence of the CIA map or something like it) and shouldn't be substituted for each other. Perhaps it would be good in Electoral system of Turkey and/or Kurdish nationalism, for example? Nyttend (talk) 00:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nyttend That's a great map. Great work. Definitely usable and worth having on the project. I could see users complaining about the fact that provinces, such as Kars and Ardahan, which are majority Kurdish in a big part of those province, are not highlighted at all. As you can see with the current map, some parts of those provinces are highlighted. I think that will give a more detailed look. Anyways, here's my proposition: I propose having different choices of maps (i.e. the Britannica, the Kurdish Academy, the current one, yours, and etc.) But I don't want it to be confusing for us all. So your map can definitely be a candidate. At the talk page of Turkey, I also said that we can even replace your map with the current one as it will effectively remove all concerns about the sourcing of the current map. I don't know how much of a professional map maker you are, but given a good faith on your abilities, do you know if you can use this map and transfer the green highlighted area over to the province map of Turkey? Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:05, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Nyttend I created the doppelganger just now: . As for your second request, I'm working on a map at this thread User talk:Goran tek-en. And by highlighting did you mean that the provinces should be named on the map itself? Étienne Dolet (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. It wouldn't be right not to apologise after the mess I caused. Two requests: (1) Would you be willing to create Étienne Dolet as a doppelgänger? I accidentally notified it, rather than you, in an edit just before the linked response. (2) If it doesn't already exist, would you be willing to create a map with the Kurdish-majority provinces highlighted? This mess aside, it would be helpful to readers who have no idea of contemporary Turkish geography; I know more about themata than vilayet, e.g. I have no idea what province(s) embrace what was once Mesopotamia. Nyttend (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
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In regards to your edit on the page, I've gone hahead and made these too . Just a heads up.Lihaas (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Lihaas That's a good edit. It's really important to maintain the article so that such POV statements don't occur again. In times like this, people are quick to point the finger at someone. That's not what should be encouraged here. WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:BATTLEGROUND come to mind. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
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You're wasting your time with that. My expectation was that ECtHR would declare the Armenia genocide of 1915-16 a genocide as defined in international law and criminalize its denial. I am profoundly sorry they did not and as I explain on my Talk page I am not interested in editing further at Perincek v Switzerland. I can't even be bothered to look at what you've been up to there. As for editing at the Armenia Genocide article I gave that up as a lost cause ages ago. I should have liked to, but it's plainly impossible. 81.141.160.181 (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Mike V Per his comment above, he's also editing with this IP. I think this should be somehow noted for future reference. But where? Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:19, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, EtienneDolet . The person depicted as the "Grand Master" is Andrew Bertie, Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller in 2005 (the time your article is from). I hope this helps, all the best. Curlymanjaro (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Curlymanjaro. Thank you for your help. Actually I just realized that the grand master is Charles Philippe, Duke of Anjou, since he is the grand master of the Order of St. Lazzare (the article is about an event concerning the St. Lazzare order). I think by 'grand master' they are referring to the grand master of the particular order. So that leaves Charles Falconer, Baron Falconer of Thoroton (who I assume) and the other guy who I just can't seem to find out. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Etienne. Lord Falconer was indeed Lord Chancellor of England and Wales in 2005 (2003-2007). He is the guy in the yellow jacket I think. Duc d'Anjou was the Grand Master of the Order of St Lazarus at that time. So just the "Grand Chancellor" guy is unidentified. He wears the same clothing as Duc d'Anjou, so he must also be in the Order, no? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 22:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Could it be this man? Count Philippe Piccapietra, Grand Councellor and Delegate for the Holy Land, who became GC in 2005? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 23:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sunil060902 He just might be it. However, he doesn't have an article. So it's no use for me. At any rate, thank you very very much for your effort. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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Sorry, I've just accidentally edited your test version of the article, rather than the actual article! But the tiny change is accurate, so maybe you will want to keep it. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Tiptoethrutheminefield No problem. Thank you. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hallo Etienne, today there is a big mess around Northern Cyprus. Can you please have a look about the current version? I think that some user is trying to insert text that was against consensus, with the excuse to put again the last stable version. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello Etienne,
I was just updating the Iranian Armenians infobox together with Yerevantsi, and I wondered whether you (of Armenian descent yourself?) could perhaps add two more for the last spots. I was thinking about Hovhannes Masehyan, or Hakob Hovnatanyan for at least one of them, but feel free to add anyone else. There's a wide array of options here as you obviously know. ;-) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- I've been quite busy, but I'll have a look. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks! Had completely missed him. However, I had totally forgotten about another one, namely Antoin Sevruguin. Just thought of him a few moments ago. He's very well known in Iran and a pioneer in fotography. Shahamiryan is a good one too, but perhaps more important for Armenian history in general, and I believe he performed most of his works in India. Can you find me in that? Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 19:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- LouisAragon You should replace him with Masehyan. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Added him already as wel. :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 19:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- No, you should remove him and put Antoin Sevruguin instead. Sevruguin seems more notable. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- But both Sevruguin and Masehyan were already added? I removed Shamirian, and swapped him with Sevruguin. Masehyan I had already placed before leaving you a comment here. I think we both mean the same. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- LouisAragon I mean you should leave Shamirian. Remove Masehyan and put Sevruguin. Masehyan is less notable than Sevruguin and Shamirian. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- Aight, got you. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
@LouisAragon: Are you a Farsi speaker? If so, can you find me a source that will verify Tehran's acceptance of the Armenian Genocide? It's part of this list: Armenian_Genocide_recognition#Regional_governments. But I can't seem to find a source. Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- @EtienneDolet:, mate, I just wanted to let you know, that I have not forgotten about your question. Some time has passed, I know, but I've been busy with it. :-) Thus, I'm sending you this in the meantime, as a heads up. Yes, I can talk and understand Farsi, but I can't read and write it (like 0.0%). However, as I understood that its a valuable addition to that article I promised I'd assist you with, I immediately contacted a Wiki friend of mine who lives in Iran upon reading your request. As of currently, he is still searching and collecting material that'll give a pleasing response to your question. I told him to leave a reply here when he's done with it, so expect that coming in a short amount of time (creditz to him). I believe he has found quite some good material as well about the numerous Armenian Genocide Memorials in Iran, don't know if that'll be of any use, but, we can always decide that later. Better to have more material, than less.
- So yeah, just wanted to let you know. Bests and take care in the meantime. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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| Hello mate, this is for your work at Witnesses of the Armenian Genocide article. Keep up the good work. :-) 92slim (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2015 (UTC) |
- Yeah, good work! I was wondering, could we nominate it for GA anytime soon? I was looking through it a few times these past few times I was logged in, and I believe it needs just some minor tweaking in order to reach it. What do you think? If you think so as well Etienne, I will try working on it as well whenever I have time these days. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 01:53, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- @92slim: Thank you very much. I truly appreciate all the work you do as well. @LouisAragon: Thanks. And yes, it truly is a nice and informative article, but it still has a lot of work. More importantly, it's more of a list than an article. So I think it would be have to nominated for WP:FL instead. That means it's going to have to surpass not just GA standards, but FA standards as well. So it's really not an easy task. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Hey Etienne, yeah, you're indeed right about that. Just forgot a second that its indeed a list article by definition. Anyways, if you need some help on it, or any other Armenian article, feel absolutely free to ping me whenever or by leaving me a message. I'm relatively often focusing on that area anyways, and want to have the things related to it to be a in a good quality state. Bests and take care - LouisAragon (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, as I have seen here, the user removed the text which is probably translation of the english one by saying "no source". As I remember, wikipedia is none's national encyclopedia. Thanks Manaviko (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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| Merry Christmas Etienne and a Happy and Prosperous New Year! Dr. K. 20:51, 24 December 2015 (UTC) |
- @Dr.K.: Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year as well Doctor. Étienne Dolet (talk) 01:24, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
osé Antonio Monago Terraza is a Spanish politician who belongs to the People's Party (PP) and who served as President of Extremadura, the Extremaduran regional administration, from 2011 to 2015. Outside of political life, Monago received a Doctorate in Law from the University of Salamanca[1] He became Extremaduran regional leader of the PP in 2007 and served as a city councillor in Badajoz and as a PP deputy in the Extremaduran Assembly.[2] The Extremaduran Assembly appointed him to the Spanish Senate in 2008.[2]
Monago was chosen as the PP candidate for President of Extremadura in the 2011 Extremaduran elections. The elections saw the PP emerge as the largest party in Extremadura for the first time,[3] although they fell one seat short of an absolute majority. The outgoing President, Guillermo Fernández Vara of the PSOE, attempted to secure re-election by forming a pact with United Left (IU).[4] However IU declined to support the PSOE and abstained in the Presidential vote with the result that Monago became the first PP President of Extremadura.[5] Nine months later, Monago's minority government is threatened to collapse after the IU agreed to re-negogiate with PSOE after parliamentary elections in Andalusia and Asturias on March 25, 2012.[6]
In November 2014, it was leaked that Monago could have used public money of the Senate in 2009 and 2010 to visit 32 times his then girlfriend in the Canarias[7] He promised to give the money back,[8] but he later took that promise back.[9]
References ^ El Pais profile accessed 4 July 2011 ^ a b Monago sustituye a Floriano como senador por la región El Periodico de Extremadura, 3 April 2008 ^ Election results in Extremadura historiaelectoral.com accessed 4 July 2011 ^ Vara ve el pacto PSOE-IU como 'única salida' El Mundo, 23 May 2011 ^ Extremadura da por hecho el cambio político La Vanguardia, 4 July 2011 ^ El PSOE alienta los pactos con IU para recuperar el Gobierno en Extremadura El Pais, 26 March 2012 ^ P. Cervilla (November 7, 2014). "El PP desconoce si Monago viajó 32 veces a C2anarias como senador". Madrid: ABC. ^ Carlos E. Cué (November 8, 2014). "Monago: “Voy a devolver hasta el último céntimo”". Cáceres: El País. ^ "Monago no devolverá el dinero de sus viajes al considerar que están justificados por actos de partido". eldiario.es. November 17, 2014. Hello Etienne,
First of all, a happy New Year to you. Hope you had a good one. Regarding "on-wiki stuff", I was wondering, should we add information about the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus to the Turkey article? Like, a line or something? Or should we just leave it really?
Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Depends on where you want to add it. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Selam, benim Tacüttin. Do you want to add information to this article? Or rewrite it if it doesn't please you?--Kuschln (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Saint Gregory the Illuminator Church of Kayseri - I created this one, too. It is the only still functioning Armenian church in Central Anatolia. Do you want to create an English article about it? And do you have a photograph of it?--Kuschln (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- I might have ago at the Kayseri one, just for the hell of it (it's been a while since I created an article). I've got a book about the church. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Hey, could you perhaps leave your opinion, if you happen to have time, regarding this? (all the way down). Bests mate - LouisAragon (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, btw, I just created a section here regarding the WWI events in Qajar Iran, and the massacres as part of the Armenian/Assyrian genocdes within the latter's borders (Khoy, Salmas, Urmia, etc). Would appreciate it if you had some info/material related to this that you could add. :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- LouisAragon Here's an article (Frederick G. Coan) I made quite some time ago which has a lot of first account details of the Khoy, Salmas, Urmia massacres. Coan was an eye-witness to those massacres and perhaps we can use his eye-witness accounts to better describe the scenario. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, yeah, that's a good proposal for sure! - LouisAragon (talk) 22:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
- LouisAragon After a second thought, you made valid point and you were right to revert me at Armenian language. :) Regards, Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Hey, regarding the added line; "An Armenian principality and later a kingdom Cilician Armenia was located on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea between the 11th and 14th centuries." Should this really remain on this specific article? I mean, this article is about the country thats located in what is historically seen as Eastern Armenia. Cilicia definetely falls outside this area, or even Western Armenia, which is not even part of the Republic of Armenia. I know its in some way obviously connected to the soil of modern-day Armenia as well, as the Cilian kingdom was largely built and constructed by Armenian refugees from the native Armenian lands (which includes what is nowadays Armenia) but that might be a bit too far fetched for a lede at least. There are numerous nations/ethnicities that have established kingdoms, dynasties, etc at some point quite far from of what is nowadays "their nation". I think such material should be confined to the body, or the article regarding the ethnicity itself (e.g Armenians, etc.) Its not really related to the lede of this specific article. What do you think? - LouisAragon (talk) 03:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Of course it should remain. The Cicilian Dynasty played a crucial role in the perseverance of Armenian history, heritage, and culture and is a central theme in the identity of Armenia, even till this day. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah man, I know it's important :-), just I wanted to see your opinion about it, as putting kingdoms and territories that were based in what is nowadays part of other countries ain't really commonly done on Wiki. Then again, Armenian history is not really mainstream, obviously pointing at the last 100+- years, so Im sure it's fine. - LouisAragon (talk) 04:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Sure, but I don't think that should excuse you of the other ones. Perhaps we can take this to Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations. Are you sure the copyright violations at Armenian language and Majid Samii are the only ones? Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
İyi günler. Biraz Türkçe bildiğinizi göz önünde bulundurarak size bu dilde mesaj yazıyorum. Değişikliğinizi geri aldım. Çünkü şahıs gerçekten de olayı soykırım olarak tanımıyor. Bunu karşılıklı ölümler olarak nitelendiriyor. Ayrıca daha önce kategoriyi eklerken buna dair şu haberi de değişiklik özeti bölümüne eklemiştim. --Esc2003 (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Esc2003 In that source, Ortayli doesn't say that the Armenian Genocide is a lie, or that he denies it.
“Ermeni olayları konusunda bizi tutmayan çok ama tutanlar da (destekleyen) var. Ermeni olayları 1. Cihan Harbi içinde meydana gelen trajik olaylardır. Ordunun emniyeti bakımından Doğu Anadolu'da bu sürgün yapılmıştır. Çok da kanlı olmuştur. Aslında sürgünü yapan ordunun bile mecali yoktur”
...Soykırım olmamış demek değildir. Sonuçta soykırımda bi trajik olayda olabilir. We need a source that says specifically that "Ortayli denies the Armenian Genocide". Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- Esc2003 YouTube is not a reliable source. We need strong sources for strong claims. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Reddettiği açıkça ortadadır.
"Ermenilerin tarihi gelişimleri ve ulaşacakları hedef, zamansız ve gereksiz bir harple sapmaya uğramıştır. Çoğunlukta olmadıkları bir bölgedeki gerçekleşmesi zor siyasi amaçları, diğer grupların tepkisini yaratmıştır. Harbin getirdiği ani yıkımın yarattığı panik, bu olaylar zincirini ortaya çıkartmıştır. Bunu böyle bilmeli, olayların tarihini olduğu gibi konuşmalı, yazmalı ve soykırım suçlamasını devletten önce halk olarak reddetmeliyiz."
Bu nedenle kategoriyi geri eklemenizi rica ediyorum. Teşekkürler. --Esc2003 (talk) 21:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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