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Would you mind reviewing the vandal sniper applications list? FirefoxMan 12:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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This is for making VS. Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 02:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC) |
Crazycomputers, thank you for approving me to use VandalSniper. I look forward to using this tool in the near future. Thanks again for your kindness. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for approving me. Could you give me a link to download all the main files? And does it work for windows? If not, please notify me when it is. Thanks. --AAA! (AAAA) 01:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I am having problems downloading VandalSniper. Could it be that it does not run on Windows? If would there be a possiblity of a Windows version of VandalSniper coming out soon? And if it does not come out on Windows, would I need to run it on something like Linxus? Sorry for the questions, but I have one more question. If VandalSniper requires Linxus, would I be able to download it or would I have to purchase it? I know this sound kind of silly. Wiki Raja 10:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Chris, I appologise for my clumsiness -- I am trying to correct another deletion -- That of my own parody contribtion to your site: www.cafepress.com/imjustlikecaptk I'm Just Like Capt. Kirk Because... by Joe King : CafePress.com
also found here:http://www.toon-guy.com/funnypaperz/tomez.htm TOMEZ
I was also a toy designer for Playmates and responsible for all merchandise design and packaging on the STNG product line: http://www.toon-guy.com/funnypaperz/toyz.htm TOYZ
...among other things -- tho not on topic for this page...
Are you able to assist?
Joe King —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.205.251.211 (talk) 09:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
I would like to talk about my access to Vandal Sniper. I was denied by Omicronpersei8 but I see that he has since then left Wikipedia. I read that you need about 250 edits to get access, and I have close to 300 edits, many of which are vandalism reverts. I would like to know what else I should do in order to get access to Vandal Sniper. --Credema 02:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Just to make you orange, I've also applied for VS access, I have almost 10K edits and about 5 months here. ST47Talk 15:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
It has only recently occured to me that thoes 250 edits should be mainspace edits. If I am correct I would highly suggest updating the requirements to make it more clear. At the time that I first applied I did not meet this requirement so I have reapplied. --Credema 16:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting the blanking that was done to my user page.
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Hi there - I'm de:Benutzer:C-M on de.wikipedia.org and just wanted to start a vandalism-fighting-tool using mono, C# and gecko# ('cause vandalfighter is not realy working) - while searching for an irc-library I found "Projects using SmartIrc4net" and there that your Vandal-Sniper is using it - a tool wich seems to do everything i'd like to do - so, would it be possible to port it to the german wikipedia? We have got our own rc-channel on browne (#de.wikipedia) i think mediawiki will be also quite the same... - if you need some more information you may reach me on my userpage and I will try to heve a look on your page here (why is there no interwiki-watchlist... ;-)) --C-M (de) 20:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Crazycomputers: It's been a while since I applied as a VS user. Are you backlogged in doing background checks? Anything I can do to help speedup your acceptance (or rejection) of my application? Can I bribe you with a gift basket? :) pbryan 01:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought Wikipedia was where people could edit whatever they wanted. Why do people have to delete things relevant to articles? (such as Pittsburgh's black neighborhoods) If that's the case, just delete all the articles about places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.168.154 (talk • contribs)
If that's the way you people are going to be, then so be it, but you really should make it so Wikipedia can be edited BY MODERATORS ONLY if you're going to be picky and delete relevant information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.168.154 (talk • contribs)
I was referring to this edit. Taking revenge on other editors is not civil and is not tolerated on Wikipedia. --Chris (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Are you retarded what I posted had nothing wrong with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GameOver619at (talk • contribs)
Appreciate it. I've tried it out, and it works on my Debian system, but I'm unclear how to use it (do I just go to either the Recent Changes or Watchlist tab and click on links to open them up in the browser window and review them?). Also, the preferences menu entry doesn't seem to do anything. --Gwern (contribs) 05:24 25 March 2007 (GMT)
I think you might be mistaken, I don't make edits on wikipedia and am not exactly a fan of baseball (I'm a nerd, see). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.56.234 (talk • contribs)
He often vandalizeses an article called Def Jam Vendetta. He always removes Def Jam Vendetta (The Fighters) from this page and I warned him several times not to do this but he ignores me. R@y 06:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Def Jam Vendetta (The Fighters) has to be created. Please help me with that. R@y 08:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I suspect that 209.219.143.1 and 209.218.163.2 are the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk • contribs)
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I only did it to win a bet ... I was gonna change it back, but you beat me to it :-/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.135.222.132 (talk) 05:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
Just dropping some thanks for doing that =D MattieTK 19:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The page MySpace Secret Shows was deleted after it was improved to meet Wikipedia's criteria. Could you read it or bring it back so i can point out why it was put up for deletion and what I did to improve it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Martini833 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC).
Could you please look at the list and approve some users? ~Steptrip 00:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Rearding User:Crazycomputers/WatchlistBot. When sending an email to that address, do you get the entire email? If so you would get my IP address. — xaosflux Talk 03:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
My edit was intended to help solve the problem highlighted on the talk page, I agree it wasn't perfect sbandrews (t) 17:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
k im done —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.246.8 (talk • contribs)
i thought nick cannon was gay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.38.219 (talk • contribs)
Hello,
C++++ may be speculation. However I think it may be speculation that the musical note statement is complete and factual as to the original idea of the name.
Apparently, the email is from a customer service agent. An email from a lead architect or executive would be a more authoritative source. Also, I question whether Microsoft Corporation is a neutral source in this case. Even if the original idea was C++++, the company representatives may state otherwise based on marketing or legal reasons. Instructions to present it this way may come from top executives in the company. (It is wrong to be dishonest but do we doubt that there has been dishonesty in the business world?)
I think the increment of ++ is more logical than the analogy of the sharp symbol as half step up (in tone). Is it a coincidence that the sharp symbol is also four plus signs combined?
You say that I have no valid citation (based on Wiki rules.) That is one reason.
I have three proposed reasons why C++++ should carry as much weight if not more than the muscial note statement:
1. The source is not reliable enough - customer service.
2. It is not neutral. It is a billion dollar corporation with marketing and legal motives.
3. Logic: C++++ is more logical from the C language perspective.
By the way, I think the C# language itself is excellent. I already use it and plan to continue to use it.
Coder1024 21:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
int c = 0; c++++;
will not compile. It makes no more sense than using musical notation.
It is still the customer service department. I don't think this is finalizing research if you want to be official about sources.
Yes, they invented the language. That is my point. They are not neutral. (Sadly) A billion dollar company may avoid disclosure based on business interests.
> ... c++++; will not compile.
First of all, there is no rule that the concept has to compile.
Secondly. Consider this:
c = 0;
c++;
c++;
That does compile and notice that it is a sqaure formation that compiles! Just like the "#" symbol!
Coder1024 21:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you relying on Microsoft Corporation as a neutral (billion dollar business) and reliable (customer service) source to decide that you have the authority to delete others' posts? It may very well be that the original idea for the name is the four plus signs. Sources must be neutral and reliable.
Do you think that Microsft Corporation would state the actual history of the name rather than a marketing explanation if there was a business interest? Do you think there is a business interest in disconnecting C# from C++? I think there very well may be. If C# is based on C++++ (or similar form) then people who use C++ may observe that C# is not really the next step in C++. Since C++0x is actually the next step in C++, C++ users may wait for that rather than switch to C# if C# is trying to be C++++. C++0x would mean that C# is not the real C++++ in the eyes of C++ users. Don't you think Microsoft Corporation would realize that? Many people are already debating whether to use C++ or C# more heavily. So any ambiguity or doubts about C# could cause C++ users to stay with C++.
Also, most Linux developers use C++. Would it not be a business interest of Microsoft Corporation to have C++ users using C# so they will be less skilled in C++ which is the main language used for Linux development?
Therefore I think to claim the source as neutral is just as shaky if not shakier than what you call "somebody's pet theory". Wikipedia is a public arena that is to be neutral and free from politics including the ability of billion dollar corporations to influence what is recorded.
If a standard is going to be held to, then it should be held to consistently. Therefore the musical note explanation should be deleted. Since the musical note explanation may be a product marketing fallacy or emphasis, it cannot be considered a solid source.
Coder1024 00:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
> On the Linux front...Very few of the developers I talk to use C++.
Microsoft Corporation's hold on the market is largely due to OS capabilities and hardware support (granted app compatibility is key also). The Linux OS itself and drivers are mainly written in C/C++. Therefore, if people focus on C++ this increases the pool of people whose talents are helpful to Linux. Do you doubt that Microsoft Corporation wants to steer people to C# for this reason? I don't.
Reliability is dependent upon neutrality. If a source is not neutral then reliability loses its bearing. Therefore Microsoft can neither be considered neutral nor reliable.
Microsoft "invented" the language. "Invented" in quotes becuase they hired a Delphi developer who also drew from C++ and Java. Don't you think the CLR garbage collection ("managed") is based on Java? The GC idea for Java itself probably originated from Cedar (based on Mesa). Bill Joy was interested in Mesa. Mesa was invented by Xerox. Speaking of Xerox, isn't that where much of the window GUI ideas came from? Microsoft is a business. A responsible Wiki article separates corporate marketing (and potential fallacies) from factual information.
The article should at least qualify that the company "represents" the name to be based on a musical note but that this does not mean that the factual origin of the name is not some other source (e.g. developer's use of four '+'s). Because, using Microsoft Corporation as a source, that's all you can really say that is known for sure - that this is how the company (customer service representative) "represents" the basis of the name. One cannot claim that a corporate business representative is a source for historical factual information. Look at the history of the term "windows". If you look up the history of the graphical user interface right in Wikipedia, you will find that Xerox called it "WIMP" (windows, icons, menus, and pointers). The wiki section on Microsoft Windows (R) has no reference to that and it does not discuss the history of the name. Consider why the Microsoft Windows (R) wiki article does not discuss where the idea for the OS name came from! The term windows was in use long before the Microsoft usage. Even "Microsoft DirectX (R)" probably means direct "X windows"! Look at "basic", "office", "word", "net". So many of Microsoft's products are named after commonly used terms. Therefore it is reasonable to think that C to C++ to double "++" was the original idea for the name. It seems highly questionable that it is based on musical notes. I think the article may be posting corporate marketing as factual historical information and misleading people based on a non-neutral source as what the facts really are. So yes, it should be clarified to present a realistic un-biased picture to the reader.
Coder1024 03:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
>Yes, Microsoft copied some things from Java. What does this have to do with the name of the language?
You said they "invented" C# as a basis for their reliability as a source. I am showing that "invented" does not mean that the company is necessarily giving factual information about the name. I gave many other examples of product names such as the OS that are not names they originated even though they developed the technology. I also pointed out that the wiki article on the OS does not even discuss the history of the name. So I have given many examples showing that Microsoft Corporation is not a neutral or reliable source regarding names since the majority of the names of their key products are based on previous terms (even though they invented/developed the technology). Therefore the evidence is against C# as being based on musical notes even if that is what the company represents.
> If they wanted to keep the language for Windows they would not have standardized either C# or the CLR.
They are a business and I'm sure they spend much time strategizing. It's "standard" and they need to be ready in case Linux does take off, so that they can use their framework on it. However they control the "standard". Also Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup, the inventor of C++, sees that Microsoft ties languages to the OS: Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup on the subject
> ...I'd suggest removing every citation of CNN from Wikipedia
It is you who are deleting posts in this case - not me :-) You are being lax about neutrality and I am being lax about sources. If one is to interpret the rules then one must be consistent.
> So the article does qualify that the company is saying this.
The purpose of the wiki is to present factual historical information - not to present potential marketing fallacies and justify it because the source is given. That's like saying drinking 15 cans of cola a day is healthy and quoting a soda company as the source. It is clear that the source is not neutral so there is nothing hidden there, true. However, presenting the information itself is useless since the claim that drinking 15 cans of cola a day is healthy is not factual information.
If the article did not even discuss the origin of the name this would make it consistent with the article about the OS that keeps a clear focus on the OS as a product. There is a separate article for the history of GUI. There could be a separate article for the history of C-like language names.
Coder1024 05:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I finally got around to setting up VS on my new Ubuntu 7.04 installation. I got an error when executing ./vs.exe:
Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Gecko.WebControl ---> \n System.DllNotFoundException: /usr/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so at (wrapper managed-to-native) Gecko.WebControl:gtk_moz_embed_get_type () at Gecko.WebControl.get_GType () [0x00000] at GtkSharp.GeckoSharp.ObjectManager.Initialize () [0x00000] at Gecko.WebControl..cctor () [0x00000] --- End of inner exception stack trace --- at <0x00000> <unknown method> at VandalSniper.MainWindow.newBrowser (System.String url) [0x00000] at VandalSniper.MainWindow..ctor () [0x00000] at VandalSniper.MainWindow.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000]
I am assuming that I need libgtkembedmoz.so, but I don't know where to find it. What does that mean? ST47Talk 20:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
./vs.exe Segmentation fault (core dumped)
g++ -s -shared -I /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I /usr/include/xulrunner -I /usr/include/xulrunner/gtkembedmoz -I /usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I /usr/include/cairo -I /usr/include/glib-2.0 -I /usr/include/pango-1.0 -I /usr/include/atk-1.0 -I /usr/include/nspr -I /usr/include/xulrunner/string -o libjscallglue.dll.so jscallglue.cpp
Hello, I just received an email from Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup. He states that he knows that the four plus signs is the "historically correct" origin of the '#'. Coder1024 20:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
As you know, I have placed some of the key quotes from his emails in the talk page. This puts it on par with the other source about the symbol I would think. The original idea apparently came from the four '+'s but Microsoft decided to use the musical note symbol. So (and I think you mentioned this) we have two facts: 1. Yes, the symbol itself is the musical note sharp symbol and 2. the origin of the "sharp-like" symbol is the four '+'s.
Coder1024 02:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
I was directed to Vandal Sniper by a user after my inquiry about Vandal Proof or a similar program that would be compatible with Mac OS X.
Where can I download this program and is its functionality similar to that of VandalProof?
Thanks, (and please reply to my talk page)
Curran (talk) 20:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for pointng me to Wikiguard! I appreciate that, because that's just what I was looking for! Cheers, Curran (talk) 14:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Chris, I have since downloaded Wikiguard and I see that it's a very powerful program. I was wondering why my edits (reverts) don't seem to take effect? Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Curran (talk) 17:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
You have email ;-) cheers ~ Anthøny 22:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
You made very good points on User:Gracenotes' RfA. I've not voted on it either, not sure If I will, but I do share your feelings on the matter. Thanks for speaking up about it. daveh4h 06:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. As per your suggestion, I changed the citation to back up the revision. Steelbeard1 11:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
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