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Interesting stuff! I last read Moonraker about 3 years ago (when I started my multi-year project to read the entire Bond canon from Casino Royale to Man with the Red Tattoo) so little details like that were forgotten. Then again I wasn't reading the books at the time with a mind to writing about them! Good job! As far as the difference in ages, it's possible that Fleming wanted to keep Bond at a set age. Peter O'Donnell had the same attitude regarding Modesty Blaise. He wrote comic strips and novels about her for close to 40 years yet she never got much older than 26 except in the very last story. 23skidoo 06:42, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have no objection to merging the two articles. As you so aptly put it, you really can't mention one without the other! :) Dale Arnett 06:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Well that's cool, indeed. I noticed when the other user redirected everything he/she deleted a number of sections from Bond 21 including the still-topical speculation over Bond, as well as discussion of what the plot might be like. I went ahead and put them back, tweaked slightly where required. 23skidoo 22:31, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Are you sure Q doesn't appear in the books until Dr. No? I'm pretty certain it's Boothroyd who goes through the trick briefcase in FRWL and Boothroyd is Q. I'll have to check my copy again. 23skidoo 20:11, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Just FYI I got my hands on some good scans of the remaining 2002-2003 Penguin reissues that someone else had started to add to the book pages earlier but stopped. All the Fleming book articles now have the new covers featured, including Octopussy/Living Daylights which I reorganized. I also found a possible reason for why Moonraker was renamed. 23skidoo 23:40, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It's interesting that Gardner likes this book so much. To be honest with you, I'm reading it now and I don't care for it at all and I'm having great difficulty finishing it. In my opinion Nobody Lives For Ever, Brokenclaw, and For Special Services are far superior books! 23skidoo 21:01, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm back up and running. Man, did the memory cheat with regards to my plot summary for Goldfinger (which was from memory). I seem to recall Pussy having a larger role to play, but I read the comic strip the other night and it was Tilly Masterson who played the major role in that. I'll have to read the book again. I'm within 75 pages of the end of Barbarossa and I'll be glad to have that one behind me. On the whole I've been pleasantly surprised by Gardner's books, but this one left me cold. 23skidoo 04:52, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed that my copy of Man from Barbarossa says "Glidrose Publications". I wonder when it changed from "Productions"? 23skidoo 06:28, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed the addition of photos to the main Bond article. Nicely done - they look great! In Enterprise-related news, the article I've been shepherding Star Trek: Enterprise alleged continuity problems just took an interesting turn as I think one of the producers of the show is doing some additions and replies to the criticisms (certainly the fellow's username looks very familiar). No, it is not Rick Berman! 23skidoo 17:36, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The resized pictures look good. What's this lawsuit over the Special Editions you mentioned? I have several and I quite like them, personally. The extras are worth the purchase price alone, but I haven't noticed any picture problems. Then again, as I say, I don't have them all (I have No, YOLT, LALD, MWGG, Moonraker, FYEO and DAD) so maybe the fault lies in one of the other DVDs. BTW the Casino Royale DVD is worth getting because it includes the 1954 TV episode and some interesting discussion about why the movie had a zillion directors. 23skidoo 19:12, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I just wrote a plot summary for the 1967 film. Now time for a lie down. ;-) 23skidoo 19:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think it's interesting to note that Honor Blackman was older than Connery. The only other occasion in which a Bond girl was older than her leading man was Diana Rigg being a year older than Lazenby. I think it's a harmless piece of trivia, personally, but your call. 23skidoo 05:33, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Although it's not a theme per se, "Three Blind Mice" does get played over the opening credits, so that makes it an opening credits music, if nothing else. Similarly, you can't really call "All Time High" a theme either, because it was just a song put on the opening credits that had no reference to the title. And the "James Bond Theme" on Dr. No isn't the theme to Dr. No, either. So in some respects, given the literal definition of theme (a piece of music that recurs throughout the film), Dr. No has no theme. (This assumes the Bond theme is a series theme, not a film theme). Even so, I think it's correct to mention Kingston Calypso as a "theme" in this context anyway, because IIRC the melody is actually reprised at the end of the film (just before the Bond theme kicks in), and the lyrics (written by Monte Norman) directly relate to the storyline. 23skidoo 17:22, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I went in and did some tweaking to the Music article. Looks good so far. I added a few notes such as Norman performing Good Sign Bad Sign on the Dr. No documentary (the two songs are indeed identical in melody and even the lyrics work for Bond); one thing I missed earlier is the title of the second theme is simply "007", not "The 007 Theme". All the records I have use the shorter title, including the FRWL soundtrack. 23skidoo 05:32, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Followup. I took the liberty of adding a secondary songs tables to the music article. I also added Casino Royale and Never Say Never to both tables. Look of Love from Casino Royale is arguably the only successful aspect of that film, as it was nominated for an Oscar and has become a standard. It might be worth adding at some point a section on cultural influences of Bond music. For example, Look of Love in the Austin Powers film, If You Asked Me To becoming (rather dubiously) an early 90s standard after being covered by Celine Dion, and Live and Let Die gaining a second wind years later when Guns and Roses covered it... BTW yes I also continue to receive message notifications after I've read them. I have no idea why. 23skidoo 04:28, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
In other news, looks like there's an anonymous user running around adding some statement in ALL CAPS claiming that Sony merged with MGM as a result of the lawsuit over Thunderball. I don't think a 45-year-old lawsuit has anything to do with it. Anyway, the guy hit the Thunderball and Casino Royale articles. I caught the TB one and someone else fixed Royale. But just a heads up. These days I've made it a habit to closely scrutinize any anonymous edit on my watchlist. 23skidoo 04:51, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The novels have only ever had Ian Fleming credited on the cover. The other credits only appear on the title page inside. (Similarly, I've never seen an edition of Spy Who Loved Me with the faux credit for Viviene Michel on the cover, either). The only possible exception is the movie tie-in edition for Thunderball that Signet put out. I believe the cover was based upon the movie poster, so if it includes the credit lines then you might see the other names mentioned. 23skidoo 08:11, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at the article on Philip Glass. Scroll down and you'll see that there's coding available that creates a column format so lists can be displayed side-by-side. Maybe there's a possible application for this in the Bond article or some of the others? 23skidoo 15:37, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'll let you decide whether this is worth including in the Casino Royale movie article. I came across this gossip website which has an item dated November 2004. Not only does it say that Mariah Carey has been signed to appear in the next Bond film, but it correctly guessed that the next film would be Casino Royale! Weird. The site says Mariah would play Vesper Lynd. All BS, of course, but still weird they'd get the film title right months before the fact, huh... 23skidoo 05:15, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was afraid of that. I wish people would learn that prequels don't work, certainly not in this sort of arena. People are already nitpicking Casino Royale at the TrekBBS and the script hasn't even been released yet. Enterprise was a prequel and it was rejected, Star Wars Eps I and II were pretty much rejected by a lot of people. And the Jack Ryan prequel sank without a trace. The irony is Orlando Bloom is starting to look more likely all the time. Maybe Bond 22 will be an adaptation of SilverFin? And here I thought it was funny that teen singer Alizee was tipped as a possible Bond girl. Maybe they'll just call it Spy Kids IV and be done with it. Sorry for the rant, but the last thing the series needs is a prequel. I'm fearful that this could be the end of Bond because some money-counter decided to appeal to teenagers. Argh. 23skidoo 04:38, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I just re-read that Casino Royale book report and man it was brutal. It seems we have another anon user dropping first person comment too (note the change made to the main Bond article). Maybe the guy thinks this is a blog or something? 23skidoo 23:06, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I like where you're going with this. I don't mind replacing the Goldfinger image with FRWL. I recently got my hands on a 1st edition Pan paperback from the late 50s which has a cool, classic cover and one that IMO would work better than the "nude" cover or the 2002 version from the book's article. I will scan it and upload it and replace the Goldfinger book image on the main Bond article. Incidentally, I have come to the conclusion that "franchise" articles have the deck stacked against them for Featured Article status because people want so much information included, yet at the same time it needs to stay close to the 32Kb limit. If you go back to my talk page, scroll down to the end and you'll see a fellow who wants to have the main Star Trek article removed from Feature Article status, and if you read his reasons why, it's clear the article would need to be 100Kb to include everything he wants. I'm thinking of putting forth a proposal that entire sets of articles be eligible for some form of Featured status - I'm quite proud of the Bond book articles you and I have worked on, particularly those for Fleming's books. Any idea how I'd make such a suggestion to the Powers That Be? 23skidoo 04:12, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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