User:Chrislk02/archive04

This is Chrislk02's archive for the months of March and April for the year of 2007. Please do not add new comments to this page. Thank you.

March 2007

User:66.93.251.114

Hi Chris, I see you cleaned up that above's talk page and in the process removed all of his warnings. This guy is a chronic linkspammer and IMO the warnings should remain to as a head-up for future vandal patrollers. Was there a reason to clear out the page? Regards. —Moondyne 00:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I replaced them per yours and other persons concern. What actually happened is they blanked it, i reverted it then re-reverted. I am content with leaving the warnings there. Thank you for brigning this to my attention. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries and thanks. —Moondyne 00:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There's clearly a coordinated attempt at LAN Gaming Center to (once again) add linkspam using sockpuppets. I see Satori Son has submitted a checkuser case —Moondyne 01:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Newbie needs help

Chris, there's a guy I've corresponded with who needs your help. See this dif and its edit summary. He's active duty Air Force, and put a little more info in that he was allowed to, if you know what I mean. He also just went through a name change for anonymity. Akradecki 00:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

the difference between hot, cute, and beautiful

Hey new administrator-- I'm concerned about the level of power you have on this website... although I love the fact that you are my boyfriend and you can protect me-- even on wikipedia because you rid us of all vandals! Kbrackett 02:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I see you're a pilot

Just spotted that you are a student pilot. I got my private licence 20 years ago and would be flying at this very minute but the wind is gusting 40 knots from every conceivable direction, so Wikipedia has my attention! You could add your name to Category:Wikipedian pilots. Flying is a great, if expensive, hobby. Keep it up and i hope you enjoy it as much as I have. Emeraude 14:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Not too up-to-date on current qualificiations, and there is a standardisation throughout Europe under JAA, but I think it's a total of 45 hours for a JAR-FCL PPL(A). We also have a National PPL which has slightly lower requirements and medical requirements as those for a goods vehicle driver, but this is only valid within the UK. Syllabus is basically the same as in the USA. PPLs may not fly at night (separate night rating). There's an article at Pilot licensing in the United Kingdom but it's not the most informative. For the full detail try the Civil Aviation website and look for LASORS - it's a big PDF download but contains literally everything you need as a PPL. Emeraude 15:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just extracted the relevant basic requirements:

"An applicant for a JAR-FCL PPL(A) shall have completed at least 45 hours flight time as a pilot of aeroplanes or TMGs as appropriate. This must include the training requirements specified below. A maximum of 5 hours of these 45 hours may have been completed in a Flight & Navigation Procedures Trainer (FNPT) or a Flight Simulator. A FNPT or Flight Simulator used for this purpose must be device qualified and user approved.

Flying Training Requirements

An applicant for the PPL(A) shall complete at a FTO or an accepted registered facility the required instruction in accordance with the syllabus as set out in Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.125. This must include:-

a. 25 hours Dual Instruction on aeroplanes

b. 10 hours Supervised solo flight time on aeroplanes, must include

(i) 5 hours Solo cross-country flight time,

(ii) One cross-country flight of at least 270km (150nm), during which full stop landings at two different aerodromes different from the aerodrome of departure shall be made."

Plus pass all the written exams in Aviation Law & Operational Procedures, Human Performance & Limitations, Navigation & Radio Aids, Meteorology, Aircraft (General) & Principles of Flight, Flight Performance & Planning, JAR-FCL Communications (PPL)

I'm not a member of WP:AVIATION (will join) but am in Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports. Emeraude 15:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I fly a Piel Emeraude, 1958 vintage. There's a picture of it in the Claude Piel article. Trained on Cessna 152s though. Emeraude 15:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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solo flight

hey I love the picture of you with your shirt cut on the back-- what an interesting tradition! Kbrackett 19:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

Thank you for your help, Chrislk02! --Cremepuff222 (talk, sign book) 21:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Replied

See my talk page. One Night In Hackney 21:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Not has chance to detail the latest problems as yet, but you could look at this for a background on his behaviour. More to follow on the latest problems. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 23:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Orange ten

Hi! This user you just blocked appears to be still able to edit. They just blanked their own talk page. Jokestress 23:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

They can only edit there own talk page. It wont do the, any good because they are indef blocked. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Harassment

Can you tell Astrotrain to stop editing this page please? There's no reason for him to reply or add notes, when it gets to RfC he has full right of reply then. Interfering with my notes is disruptive. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 15:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. If he does it again, let me know and I will block him. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Also one of his associates seems intent on edit warring over the addition of Sir on British National Party which he's never edited before today. I've linked to the MOS, but I don't want to keep reverting so if you could keep an eye on it please. One Night In Hackney₁₉₁₆ 15:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I am no one's associate here.--Couter-revolutionary 15:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• I have made comments on the BNP's talk-page. I believe certain editors are pushing a PoV.--Couter-revolutionary 15:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Removed

I was just moving them in !vote type order. It's really hard to follow, but if that's the standard way then that's fine. Sorry for the disruption. --Sagaciousuk ^(talk) 20:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Nemo judex in sua causa

Is this allowed? I didn't know you were allowed to decide after you had expressed an opinion.--Domitius 20:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I very regularly participate and close them. In this situation, it was just becoming a long argument and we were getting nowhere. I have closed them against my opinion as well. In all actuality, almost all of them are closed by participants. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Imeem

Hi. I'm just checking whether you've requested oversight for the personal info you deleted from this page? If not, I'm happy to do it, but thought I'd better check first. Many thanks. Trebor 21:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess that may have beem more appropriate. No, i did not. I have not done much with oversight. I just know how to do admin revision deletion. Was that an innapropriate course of action? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, you've done everything fine. Admins are allowed (and encouraged, as far as I know) to delete the diffs from temporary view. Oversight then gets rid of them completely, so even admins can no longer see them (see WP:RFO) for a little information). I'll send a request off for this one. Thanks. Trebor 21:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

RFCN

I find this really lame. WP:U says no "inflammatory" names, and FOUR users there (me, Domitius, Avg and FunkyFly so far) think it *is* inflammatory. Can you please revert yourself because I hate edit-warring? (especially with admins) Note that 2 admins have voted in the other RfC (Fut.Perf. and Aldux) that he should change his name. Why are you rushing so much to close it? This is abnormal, and I consider it abuse of admin power. NikoSilver 21:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• I am sorry. I stand by my decision as closing with no consensus. along with High in BC. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • A consensus who's evolution you have conveniently deprived? Jesus, please let it evolve as always! "Inflammatory" is a valid argument. NikoSilver 21:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • It was going nowhere. We regularly close such discussions. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I've seen "regularly" the past three weeks when I participate in WP:RFCN (and quite successfully too). "Regularly" suggests we let it form consensus, and we don't close when we vote ourselves. Now will you please revert yourself and let us see "regularly" happening? If you're right, there won't be other opinions until tomorrow. NikoSilver 21:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Also read WP:ANOT, and keep in mind that more users disallowed so far. NikoSilver 21:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This is 100% false. At the time of closure, there were 5 allows and 3 disallows. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Would you also please explain how my actions are against WP:ANOT? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
    • • You need to get HighinBC to agree with it before I will rever. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Is this ping-pong? Look, this is becoming quite evident. You enforce your pov as a final decision in a poll. Please revert yourself, and let H revert you if he thinks so. I'll talk to him later. NikoSilver 21:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
          • I am sorry, I will not go against HighinBCs decision. Please consult him. If he agrees, then I will also agree. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
            • Any quarms with me closing it chris? RyanPostlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 22:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
              • Lets say I stand by my originial decision. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 22:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello! I looked at the discussion on the administrator's board, and I really want to thank you for standing up for me. It takes a lot for someone to take a stand like you did. --Cremepuff222 (talk, sign book) 22:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo impersonation

I thank you for your apology. Placing this here as well on incident's board. User:Wykypydya has a fake Jimbo autograph. This is not the page I got the idea from, but I didn't fancy going through all the links I've visited to prove a point I know I'm right on.. Thanks, Spawn Man 23:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Macedonia

I've been threatened with RfArbs and RFC's on this one by NikoSilver, can you give me your insight? RyanPostlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 01:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I am startled that Ryan considers my intention to pursue the normal WP:DR procedure for that matter as a "threat". In what way can this be misinterpreted? And in what sense is my humble user position threatening? NikoSilver 01:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

---

Chris, can you consider this issue closed. The username complaint failed, I accept that and I ask NikoSilver to accept it too. Sorry to have wasted your time (I know what it's like to spend ages on Wikipedia worrying about something one doesn't really give a ... about).--Domitius 01:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Goofybiscuit

Hey¸ thx for the quick deletion . Did you also check the other editors of the same page?---Doktor Who 02:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Jeopardy! in popular culture AfD

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Jeopardy! in popular culture. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Robert K S 09:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I would live to comment however I am leaving now for the rest of the weekend. THere is an explanation of why I deleted it in my archive for jan-feb 07. gl. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 12:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware of that. The above is boilerplate text generated by the required template. I was just following protocol. Enjoy your trip! Robert K S 12:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris -- the minor disturbance over using "WP:COI" to refer to the relatively minor conflict of interest involved in this debate led me to create Wikipedia:Vested interest as a separate topic from WP:COI. Have a look over it, see if there's anything worthwhile that could be added. Thanks! Mangojuice^talk 18:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

In specific, we'll see, there's a DRV. In general: I think it's totally legit to consider the strength of arguments in an AfD. Vested interests are a (small) part of that (sometimes). I think the argument "if this is deleted, cruft will go back on the main page" is a weak argument no matter who gives it... but it is weaker still when the argument is given because of a vested interest. But I do think people can feel insulted when their behavior is linked to WP:COI, since it's about such serious stuff, which is why I created the essay. (See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeopardy! auditions for another example: coincidentally, both articles were about Jeopardy.) Mangojuice^talk 18:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Just my two cents here, but I get the feeling if Chris had just put "conflict of interest" instead of "conflict of interest", this would have all been over a while ago. Ah, semantics. :) Bubba hotep 19:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Avro Arrow

Hi Mr. Chrislk02, Thanks for your help on all the aircraft projects to which I have submitted my pittance of knowledge. BTW, I wonder if you could take a look at the Avro CF-105 Arrow discussion page. It seems to have degraded into a discussion over the relative merits of the decision to cancel the Arrow. However, there is an editor that has been compelled to take the discussion into a bizarre turn. He actually backs up his own opinion with comments from an unknown IP address that can be traced back to... him? I don't need anyone to intercede except for maybe an administrator but take a look and give me your opinion. Bzuk 04:39 4 March 2007 (UTC).

A storm brewing

Hi Chris, I may need you help in a while with a situation that's brewing, so I wanted to give you a heads-up. User:Rillian, who is generally a good contributor to space-related articles (although he can be contentious at times) is insisting on adding "astronaut infoboxes" to the articles of Doug Shane and Peter Siebold. Problem is, neither of these gentlemen are officially recognized as astronauts by NASA or the FAA. The two had originally been named to fly SpaceShipOne, but eventually only Melvill and Binnie flew it into space and received their FAA astronaut wings. There was an extensive discussion of this at Talk:Astronaut, and consensus was that these two shouldn't be called astronauts in the encyclopedia. Rillian, however, keeps adding this material back in, citing a discussion on Astronaut that doesn't exist, despite not having any sources (thus failing WP:V) and despite consensus. Another editor and I have been reverting. My main concern is that this presents our readers with inaccurate information. Siebold and Shane are fantastic test pilots, and brilliant engineers, but they are not recognized by any official body as astronauts, and Wikipedia should not be in the business of "creating" notability. I have started the process of adding official WP:TUSER warning templates (I'm currently only at {{uw-unsourced2}} level at the moment, but if this editor keeps pushing it, we could be in a situatin where admin followup to the warning process is needed. Thus, this briefing. Hope this all makes sense.... Akradecki 16:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have officially started investigating into this in attempts to resolve it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you're referring to re: "Unsourced content". I'm adding an infobox, not content. This same infobox is present on all other people listed on List of astronauts by selection. Why would Shane and Siebold be different? Regards, Rillian 17:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The infobox contains the same content as the article, occupation, birth date, etc. Nothing new to source. Rillian 15:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The Talk page for the infobox contains lots of discussion related to the development of the infobox, who it should be applied to, and what terms should be used. As the infobox then was being applied all eligible articles, Akradecki objected to Shane and Siebold, apparently based on his personal opinion as to who should be classified as an astronaut. He posted his opionion on Talk:Astronaut. I responded and he, I and one other editor engaged in a non-conclusive discussion. Rillian 15:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

They are listed as "Astronauts" on SpaceShipOne, they are included in the List of astronauts by selection, and they meet the definition from Astronaut, to wit "a person trained by a human spaceflight program to pilot a spacecraft. The content of the Shane and Siebold articles provides the cited evidence that they are trained by a human spaceflight program to pilot a spacecraft. Why would the infobox be appropriate for everyone else on List of astronauts by selection including Melville and Binnie, but not Shane and Siebold? Rillian 17:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

We appear to be engaged in some circular reasoning. You request that I cite a source that states Shane and Siebold are "officially astronauts". Just as there is no official source for who is a country music singer, we have to look to the facts. The English word "astronaut" is commonly defined as "A person trained to pilot, navigate, or otherwise participate as a crew member of a spacecraft." As cited by other editors in their articles, Shane and Siebold, along with Melville and Binnie, were trained to pilot SpaceShipOne. SpaceShipOne is spacecraft. The infobox is not claiming that they flew in space or earned FAA Astronaut Wings, simply that, along with everyone else in wikipedia who has trained to pilot, navigate, or otherwise participate as a crew member of a spacecraft, the astronaut infobox is appropriate. Rillian 17:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I know this is nitpicking, but at the time, SS1 was certified by the FAA as an experimental aircraft in the glider category. It wasn't until just before the first launch that this was changed. Akradecki 18:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

(copy of comment I put on Rillian's page) With all due respect, there are official sources for who an astronaut is. The various branches of the military and NASA award astronaut wings for a reason: this is an official designation. Same with the FAA for commericial astronauts. Shane and Siebold were originally announced at the beginning of the SS1 program as part of the group of four who would become astronauts through the program, but ultimately, instead of each piloting one of the four planned flights, only Binnie and Melvill flew the missions, and only those two were officially designated as astronauts by the FAA. There is sources/cites for this information (which I've already added where appropriate). Akradecki 18:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to address your last response. I'm not "making a connection", I'm stating a fact based on citations of reliable sources. There are multiple, reliable citations that they trained to fly a spacecraft, QED they are astronauts. There is no official body that assigns the term "astronaut". It's an English word for a person trained to pilot, navigate, or otherwise participate as a crew member of a spacecraft. Regards, Rillian 17:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree with your reasoning. By your logic, if a professional country music singer is someone who sings country music and I want to apply the country music singer infobox, multiple citations of the person repeatedly and publically singing country music as their profession would not be enough, I would also have to find a source that used the label "country music singer" for the person. I don't think this is in line with WP:V. However, I certainly support the intent of your comments and will seek out sources that meet your critera. Cheers Rillian 18:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

A blog does not count as a valid reference. Akradecki 18:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't be difficult at all to find a source that called a country western singer a country western singer, and if no sources did, then clearly we would call the label into question. The same is true of astronauts, and one can surely find dozens of sources identifying Melville or Binnie as astronauts. The fact that Rillian seems to be the only person referring to Shane and Siebold as astronauts would indicate that no one else considers them to be astronauts. Even the source Rillian added to Doug Shane, claiming to assert his astronaut title, did not include the word astronaut anywhere. Additionally, it should be noted that the introduction to Astronaut, i.e., the definition Rillian continuously uses in his assertions of who is and who is not an astronaut, was crafted by Rillian himself. Thus, it is not Doug Shane and Peter Siebold which must be modified to match Astronaut – on the contrary, because Rillain has yet to show that anyone besides himself considers these two to be astronauts, the definition on Astronaut ought to be amended to more accurately reflect who is and is not considered an astronaut by consensus. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 18:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

If Riliam finds a reliable third party source claiming that said individuals are astronauts, it is hard to dispute that, is it not? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Now, I'm not sure what to do. Per your suggestion, I added four citations from non-wiki sources including Space.com and the X-Prize web site that use the label "astronaut" for Peter Siebold. Swpb and Akradecki continue to remove the infobox, stating "unsourced content". Your thoughts? Rillian 19:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not reverted since the addition of these sources. Perhaps Rillian ought to consider adding decent sources to his claims after the first time they are removed for being unsourced, rather than reverting the removals over six times as he has done in the last few days before being troubled to find sources for his claims, then casting the reversions of other editors of his unsourced statements as being in bad faith. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 19:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

With the end of the SS1 program, there are no currently scheduled flights for the Scaled Composites astronauts. The next iteration, the Virgin Galactic / SS2 program is in development. However, going into space or being currently scheduled to go into space is not a consensus requirement to be labeled an astronaut - see Talk:Astronaut. Regards Rillian 19:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The sources from space.com appeared reliable to me. I have commented them on one of the articles in question talk page (I forget which one). As far as I can see, the sources say they are astronauts. Are there sources that say they are not? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I've seen the sources from Space.com, problem with them and astronautix, is the date: they are from when the four were announced as the ones to become the astronauts. In the end, Shane and Siebold didn't. Shane didn't even fly SS1, as he became the project manager instead. Akradecki 21:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

That is a good counter argument. Rillian, what do you have to say? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

While waiting for Rillian's response, I'd like to add another thought. If you decide that the refs are valid, I'd strongly suggest that, in the interest of providing clear, accurate information to our readers, a short para that reads like: "While Doug Shane was originally named as one of the four test pilots where were to become astronauts through the Tier One program, Shane never actually flew SpaceShipOne during the test program. Though informally referred to in some sources as an astronaut, he did not receive the official designation as a Commercial Astronaut by the FAA office that regulates civilian space issues." As similar statement would be applicable to Siebold, who did fly SS1 during atmospheric test missions, but not into space, and he, too, is not officially recognized as an astronaut. Akradecki 21:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Made my response on Talk:Peter Siebold to keep the discussion in one place. Rillian 02:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Official note of gratitude

Thanks for the nomination and faith. Guess we've both come a long way since those early days on vandal patrol. Rest assured, I will not let you down. And I look forward to the recommencement of the talk page activity of old! Thanks, buddy. Now, where's the work?! :) Bubba hotep 20:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Plus, I'm quite wounded that I passed 17k without a mention (but glad it didn't during "the process"). ;) Bubba hotep 21:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures to use

Hello, I would like to offer my original avation images to any Wiki you see fit. They are a little raw, but feel free to use them if you can.

They are mostly of various airports and museums in the US. There are some pretty detailed ones of the Connie and 404 from Kansas City. I also have scans of my timetables as well.

If this is not relevant to your contribution area, please post this or pass it to who you think could use this info.

Older site with Full-Size Pictures: http://www.chriscummings.cc/air/

Newer site with full collection: http://www.chriscummings.cc/air2/

Airline timetables: http://www.chriscummings.cc/timetables/

Telegram for Mr K

Hey, Chris - been a bit busy today out and about with the new tools. Bit like getting a new toy, really (although a very serious business, I know :)). What is that template you use for "reminding" people to follow the proper procedure for AIV reports, by the way? Bubba hotep 22:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Boneablaze

FYI -- see:

• Special:Contributions/Boneablaze
• User talk:Boneablaze

More LAN gaming center drama brewing? I'm not sure any action is presently required but this may bear watching. --A. B. ^(talk) 01:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

A little help please

over here at 66.93.251.114 we had a block out in place for really no reason after you unblocked us, check out the contributions after you originally unblocked on the 27th. My best guess is someone thought I was trying to avoid a block I had on me at the time, anyway that has all been lifted and I promise we won't make you sorry for lifting the block if you do. thanks Freakdomination 06:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already done it once. I warned that I would not do it again. I looked at the contribution history and it appears as though you used the IP to avoid the block on your username. I will not lift the block. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Seriously my username doesn't have a block or I wouldn't be able to post here on your talk page and the IP wan't used to avoid any blocks so I'm justy asking to get just a small break here from a fellow pilot. Please hear me out. Freakdomination 03:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I know your username isent blocked. The IP was used for block evasion, that was what I am guessing made it get re-blocked. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 03:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

But if you check the contibs there is no evidence of any kind of block evasion, please help me out I promise I won't make you sorry you did. Freakdomination 04:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

DiamondVoice

Hi, you beat me to blocking this account - actually, I was going to indef him/her, as they declared they wanted to leave and were seemingly asking for "right to vanish". Let them, shall we? I blocked the socks too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to indef. I was not in on a sock discussion or anything. I just blocked based on what i saw them doing. By all means, feel free to lengthen it. I did protect the page to prevent soapboxery and trolling. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Do not be a fool

God help me. The userbox has been discussed for I don't know how many times. Please do not provoke me, as the others attempted to do, and tell me before doing something this stupid. Everyone has agreed my userbox stays. And next time, please do not add userboxes to my userpage with an unknown ip. Cheers. Embargo 19:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me? Please show me a discussion where it says your userbox stays. In the future, please refrain from making personal attacks, such as the statement, " And next time, please do not add userboxes to my userpage with an unknown ip". That is a false statement and an innapropriate accusation. The action taken was made in Good Faith and in also by Being bold. If I feel your userpage is in violation of policies, I will try to remedy the situation. If it provokes you, I apolagzie perhaps you should read up on WP:CIVIL, WP:COOL and perhaps even WP:AGF. Thanks -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and for the record was the revision i removed. The version you replaced it with, I have no issue with. There is a big differente between "This user supports Hezbollah to Israeli massacres"(version i removed) and, "This user supports resistance to Israeli hostilities."(version it was replaced with). I stand 100% by my orignial removal as it is 100% innapropriate. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You people just do not know when to give up. I do not want to discuss this issue any further, have the decency to leave me alone if you will. Many, many userpage on Wikipedia have userboxes showing support for Israel. Many admins discussed this issue, and they decided to keep it, as others are allowed to keep it. Now please, leave your Christian fundamentalist opinions outside, and do not attempt to provoke another Arab into getting blocked. Embargo 20:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

"This user supports Hezollah to Israeli massacres" is obviously grammatically incorrect, and if you look at the page history, you might see my page has been vandalised, most probably by you. Leave me alone if you will. Embargo 20:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, as I told you, it was not me who wrote "This user supports Hezbollah to Israeli massacres" but someone who vandalized my page 1. I think you know that by now. Embargo 20:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The above user's lack of civility should be noted here: where he refers to you clearly, as garbage. ThuranX 00:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

G8

I've posted what I hope is a voice of reason on the talk page, can you take a look and possibly unprotect the page please? Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. For the record, if it gets nasty again, I will gladly protect it again. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. A certain person seems to have given up arguing, so I can't imagine that many problems. I've amended the template as well, from this version to a new version. Does that look ok? I wanted to try and keep the template consistent with the infobox on G8, so thought it best to try and keep the EU seperate. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, looks like the person I filed an RfC against is stalking me...can you intervene please? Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I reverted it. IF he breaks WP:3RR, warn him as he approaches it and then alert me when he does. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Going downhill fast..... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm staying calm. I don't think his actions are doing him any favours considering he's currently got an RfC open about him anyway. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 01:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:G8

Hey. I made one edit to the page- so I have not edit warred. Indeed, I have started a new discussion on the talk page to determine if consensus has been reached. I can't see from the talk page that this has happened yet. I am certainly against the inclusion of the EU in the infobox and template. Hopefully some more users will respond in the talk page, and we can resolve. Thanks Astrotrain 01:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

My User page

Can I remake my page Just without the game link? By the way Thanks for unblocking me. The Real Phantom Triffle 16:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

NASA

Can you take a look at the recent history of the NASA page? It gets vandalized just about every day, including multiple times today. I think it's a good candidate for semi-protection, preferably long-term. Thanks. - BillCJ 17:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism has piced up today. It is not as bad oer time (5 or so edits a day is pretty low traffic). However, being anon vandalism picked up today, I semi protected it for a week. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. A week is fine. - BillCJ 17:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion needed please

I'm currently working on an article here. The part I'm struggling with is the "British agent" section. According to an obituary published by one newspaper in 2003 he became an agent in 1985, but another says 1987. However the more comprehensive source I'm using is a book published by an ex-member of the agency that handled him which was published in 2004, and obviously uses information that wouldn't have been to most (if not all) journalists in 2003.

So I'm wondering what the best way to handle all the contradiction is? I'm thinking along the lines of starting the section with something like "Accounts of when Nelson became a British agent vary, but according to former FRU member Martin Ingram....", then add a footnote stating what various other sources say. Does that sound the best thing to do? Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ill look into it tommorow! If you cant wait, let me know. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No rush, thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem I'm facing is it's not just a case of deciding which source is most reliable and using that. I know the Ingram book is the most reliable version of events, however I'm also using the sources that conradict it to source unrelated information. So should someone look at the other source they might get very confused about exactly what the timeline of events was. So do you think I'm better including the sentence I mentioned above? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

A Little Help not urgent

Is there a place where I can find all the wikipedia users names? Thanks Bloddyfriday 23:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris, I've replied for you here (sorry for butting in!) Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 23:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The S.P.E.C.T.R.E Award for eliminating intruders

		File:Ankaracat.jpgThe S.P.E.C.T.R.E Award for elimination
		I Ernst Stavro Blofeld present you with the SPECTRE anti-vandalism barnstar for you recent efforts in blocking vandalism. Your contribution in protecting this site is much appreciated!Sir Blofeld

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"I've been expecting you"} 10:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Anti troll patrolling..

Please dont applies both ways, Chris.. Please dont remove talk sections from other editors talk pages. This can be viewed as vandalism. Should this behavior continue you will be temporarily blocked. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Opus notes: As you are aware, billCJ has been circulating a note claiming that I use sock puppets. Please advise him to stop his 'war tactics. ' They were entirely unprovoked. Opuscalgary 14:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC) thanks Chris. Whole story on the Avro Arrow site. 18 NPOV words has sparked a firestorm, I agreed to backaway from Editing the article until July.caio Opuscalgary 16:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

User:TheInvisibleMachine

If it helps at all, I suspect User:85.158.137.195 and User:Gcollinsii to also be the same person based on editing and - particularly - edit summary styles. Lambertman 15:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandal-only account

Hi Chris, came across User:Sdighwo who seems to be a vandal only account. Someone already posted a level 1 warning (which seems a bit generous since that level "assumes good faith"). I've reverted all his edits and AfD'd his one new article. Just thought I'd give you a heads-up. Akradecki 16:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Done - A.) User has been blocked, B.) I deleted the article and C.) closed the afd. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...you're faster than AIV! Hey, by the way, did you see my reply at Peter Siebold? I was away from the computer most of yesterday...had the distinct pleasure(?) of spending the afternoon watching (and photoing) the scrappers demolish a DC-10-30! Akradecki 16:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea, i just glanced at it a few minutes ago, i forgot about it until now. I will get a reply in a few, gotta think about it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppets

User:Opuscalgary is quickly making a wiki-nuisance of himself. THe absolute ONLY conversation I've had with anyone regarding him has been the conversation with Bill Zuk that you restored on my talk page today. Opus has added some of his recent rantings to my talk page, and I was my usual sarcastic self in the edit summaries when I deleted them. Other than that, I've had no contact or discussion with him, or with anyone else about him. Do what you think is best. - BillCJ 17:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That is what I found. I did a little research, he appeared to be just causing trouble. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually ,no. An 18 word Npov request in AVRO Arrow has started a lot of Cage Bar rattling. I am amused- anyway, until July its your monkeyhouse, Bill. don't waste your time or mine. \chaioOpuscalgary 17:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Um? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

ok 1. go to michael shrimpton. or gloster meteor. 2.See the yelling over a very reasonable hypothesis 3 go to avro arrow 4. see the howl over an 18 word npov.

Same people\ pack, aka the current canvass over my 18 \WORD npov request.See my four month compromise. \see the lack of volunteers for real work. Couching tiger trap sprung.

Billcj,my apologies for mistaking you for part of the group howl.

There is a term,"couching tiger" for this wikijungle mobbing.. Couching tigers troll the innocent while expressing ther outraqe. I flushed the pack four months in advance. make sense?

thanks Opuscalgary 19:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Aviation WikiProject Newsletter

The March 2007 issue of the Aviation WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 17:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That username discussion you just closed

... thank God. I was just going to beg for someone to close it when I saw you had. The discussion had gone from the insane to the ridiculous. Philippe Beaudette 17:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea, i did a quick tally and there were 15 Allows and 13 Disallows, apparently the community is strongly divided on this issue. In these situations, it is not fair to make the editor sit around and wait while the rest of us duke it out. The default in No consensus situations it no action (allowing the username). -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering when it was going to end. And I was wondering who was going to have the guts to close it. ;) Bubba hotep 20:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I did, crossed my fingers, and prayed there wasent another incident like the WP:RFCN for User:Macedonia. Looks like it is in the clear now. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD closing

Hi Chris,

I see you have quite a bit of experience closing AfD discussions. I only recently became an admin and just closed my first two AfD's. I was wondering if you could tell me, if I should have done anything differently. Here's my list of contributions made while closing the discussions: .

Thanks for your help,

-- Carabinieri 15:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope, looks good! Kepe up the good work, if you have nay other questions, feel free to let me know. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know... you ask me to help out with the backlog, then you go an close one (The Kent list) which I was going to do! You beat me by about five minutes, but then I was interrupted IRL. :) Bubba hotep 15:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review

Hi Chris This is regarding the deletion of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Natural_History_of_South_Asia_mailing_list. After looking at other mailing lists which have not been deleted, I am certain that this list is more notable than many others in Category:Mailing lists. The references in the article did indeed suggest this. Over the duration of the afd, I think the article moved to a point where it was no longer the article that was being proposed for deletion. I am not sure if others who voted for deletion did indeed look at the latest version, for instance some who had voted were not even aware that articles could even cover mailing lists. I am not sure about how the deletion review goes, but I would certainly like to have this go through such a process. From what I saw it was pretty much neutral in balance. Shyamal 16:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Natural_History_of_South_Asia_mailing_list. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.Shyamal 17:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

More astronaut thoughts

Chris, after your refreshing weekend with your lady, as you continue to consider the astronaut issue, it occurs to me that the WP policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons should be considered as well. Akradecki 07:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Usedvivid

Thought you might want to see this checkuser request, as it seems to pertain to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maximilian Roos, a discussion you closed. In particular, a recent question from checkuser UninvitedCompany. You don't need to comment (it's not really a discussion page, anyway), but if you'd like to, or if you're interested in the results, you're more than welcome. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

If it is found that the other ones are socks, is it ok to change the outcome of an afd or does it have to go through the process again? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Nuclear froggy

Hi, Chris. Blatant link advertisement on above userpage. At your leisure, enjoy your weekend. Best. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 16:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It's still there :-) Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 22:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris is currently on a wikibreak at present. You can, however, remove it yourself if you wish as user space is subject to the same rules as main space. Hope this helps. :) Bubba hotep 22:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, blanking his own talk page, then. Would that get intervention? I re-instated it and left a warning. Thanks. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 00:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

hey it's fattdoggy

I still go on wikipeida sometimes, and i am starting a new site later sined= fattdoggy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.163.209.187 (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Rfa thanks

Hey Chris, just popping by to say thanks a bunch for the strong support in my Rfa, you know how much I respect you and I really hope I can follow your example. Guess there is one clear advantage from your point of view - I can now close WP:RFCN as disallow! Anway, thanks again, hope you had a good weekend with your girlfriend Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 19:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope this is right...

Chris, dude, thanks so much for the tutorial links. I am a long time wiki fan, and I've done a decent amount of reading before trying to clean up a couple of pages. I didn;t expect to be personally contacted, as I wasn't even too sure of how many staff member there were here. Also I had to do a little poking around to find out how to respond, so hopefully this is correct. Anyway, thanks again. If you need any help or have projects lying about, I can be good for a few hours per week, let me know.

peace

Jiggawugga 14:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)Jiggawugga

IAI Kfir

Intervention requested on IAI Kfir. I have tried to mediate this, but the 2 sides each insist on having their own way, regarding the portrayal of the Sri Lanka and the LTTE conflict (see Talk:IAI Kfir). Request page protection if possible, and anything else you deem necessary. Thanks. - BillCJ 18:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have protected it. I have limited time currently to get involved with an intervention. Try to work it out and i will check in on it in a few days. If you feel it is ready for unprotection, please let me know. Thanks -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for what you have done. I'll do what I can, and hopefully it will settle down. If it does not, any recommendations on who might be good to ask in this situation? Again, thanks. - BillCJ 18:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Post to the wikproject talk pages, preferable WP:AIRCRAFT and post the issue, see what other aircraft people have to say? Also, try posting a note about it at the new WP:AVIATION. In these situations, it is good to get the community input in establishing with material is the community consensus to include. Hope this helps! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I have intended to post on WP:AIR, but the reverts flared up so quickly in the past hour, I felt protection was needed. Thanks. - BillCJ 18:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Business and pleasure

Trust you had a good weekend, Mr Chris. How's it going? Now the business: in the aircraft project, do you have a bespoke welcome template you give to new members on joining? I think most projects do, but knowing what you are like with templates, yours is bound to be good! :) Bubba hotep 19:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea, there is a template to reccomend that new members join the project. It isent always kept up to date though (I.E., I update it before I use it). It is located here. I am going to update it to the most current revision. Is that kind of what you were looking for? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly the kind I was looking for. I might be borrowing that for the album project, or someone else will! Cheers. Bubba hotep 20:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

76.20.34.20

Chris, I am about at my wits's end with this user. (He had a user name for a while, but I forgoet what it was; he's back to the IP.) For about the last 6 weeks, he has been adding material from Hobson, Chris. "Vietnam Air Losses, USAF/USN/USMC, Fixed-Wing Aircraft Losses In Southeast Asia 1961-1973." 2001. ISBN 0-85780-1156 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum. to Viet Nam-era aircraft articles. Not haveing a copy of that book, I do not know if he is paraphrasing or not, but that's not the main problem.

The problem is that he is MANUALLY footnoting his additions, which do tend to be large (making me wonder if he is copying verbatim). Several editors have asked him to read WP:CITE and use proper footnotes, but he has not once responed, and has just kept doing it his way. I even pasted an example of how to format his reference on his talk page, but he's ignored it. I also redid his footnote on AC-47 Spooky as an example, but still to no avail. I do not have the time or desire to pooper-scoop for him to fix his errors here. He is intelligent enough to add material, and citing with what I pasted to his cite would actually be easier that manually adding numbers! However, he seems totally unaware of the mess he is making, or doesn't care.

ANy advaice you have would be welcome, even if it's just to ignore him. THanks again. - BillCJ 00:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Afd & Sockpuppetry

Hi Chris, I'm trying to get your opinion on the status of the Maximilian Roos Afd which you closed as Keep. It has now become aware that two of the votes there were by the same person, but that there are still 3 distinct votes for Keep against 3 for Delete. Despite the the information it seems the article is still a well sourced article about a notable individual. What are your thoughts? Laughhead 13:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the outcome of the afd to relist, and relisted it here. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chris, Not meaning to get personal at all, but I'm interested on what basis you wrote that I have an assication to unibooks.org, and which reference you think isn't totally apprpriate? Laughhead 15:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Not you, the subject of the article. If the subject of the article is associated with the website in any way, it is not really a reliable source. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

OK I see, thanks for the clarification. The reference I made is to a page on unibooks.org which displays an article from a UK newspaper, hope that's clear. Laughhead 15:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Care to have a look?

Chris, care to have a look at Chris Vaccaro? I sent it to AfD, it's also been tagged for CSD. The talk page raises a question for my own edumacation...when an editor makes comments under an IP address and writes in the 3rd person so as to make it look like the comment comes from someone else, would that be considered a sockpuppet? WP:SOCK doesn't address this, but the deceptiveness of this practice makes me think that it should. I'd appreciate your thoughts. Akradecki 18:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry but the author does assert notability. Whether he is notable or not, that can be determined through the Afd. I have commented on the afd and removed the speedy tags. Unless there are some serious citations added before the end of the afd, there is little chance it will be kept, however, being the article asserts notability, the auhtor should have a chance to back up those assertions. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No apology needed - I agree, which is why I AfD'd it instead of CSD. CSD tag came from another editor. Thanks for taking the time! Akradecki 18:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, reading the afd, he has an obvious COI. If he has a sock, and should it appear at the AFD with a convenient Keep !vote, then that might be a good reason for a checkuser. Comments on the talk page of a page that is more than likley to be deleted really arent worth the effort required to go through with a check user. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Move request

Hey Chris, thanks for all your assistance in the past.

I have a move request (non-aviation) that ought to be done tonight. Last week, a user attempted a cut-and past move of Gaylord Entertainment Center to Nashville Arena. The official rename date is March 16, which is in just a few hours. I'm trying to stave off any more cut-and-pastes by over-eager editors again. A non-admin move is not possible, so could you (or another admin who watches your page) help us with this? I beleive this is a pretty straight-forward, non-controversial move; there are sources in the article on the renaming of the arena if you need to see them. Thanks again. - BillCJ 20:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Done! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I do aprreciate it. However, User:Zpb52 thought it was too early (by five hours Nashville time!). He has reverted the move, and undone my revisions. Oh well! I'll try again at midnight Nashville time (CDT). - BillCJ 01:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Is he a sysop? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. - BillCJ 01:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I cant find him on the sysop page but how did he move it over another article? It is a new day officially gmt. I am going to replace it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have re-moved it by the way. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks much! - BillCJ 01:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I think you forgot to move the talk page. - BillCJ 02:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Ooops, I fixed it. Done. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 02:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Page

Can you delete this please? You edited the talk page, so it doesn't qualify for db-author but I assume you can delete it now I've given my consent? I'm staying well away from the article in question from now on anyway, I find in less stressful and I get more productive things done as well. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Heads up: West Highland White Terrier

Hi. We are having a little bother at the above article, where an anon (72.75.237.202) keeps inserting a phrase in capital shouting, appearing to claim that only well-behaved children should have Westies. I have politely tried to point out on his user talk page the problem with his edit, but he is carrying on, despite being invited to the article talk page. Myself and another editor are trying to stem this, but I think someone is going to go 3RR soon. Please look at diff if you would, as I can't call this outright vandalism and go AIV as yet. Thanks. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 21:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

First off, the to violate teh 3RR, you have to revert 3 times in a 24 hour period. Second off, those edits can be classified as vandalism. Removing them is 100% appropriate. Warn the editor that adds them for vandalism and if they repeat, report them to WP:AIV. Hope this helps. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Chris. It always helps to get a fresh point of view such as yours. I will indeed do as you suggest if it re-appears. Cheers. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 23:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Block of DieBucheBot

hi

Why did you block my Botaccount? Just because i did by mistake an edit with it? All other edits were done with a pywikipedia bot! --DieBuche 15:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You need a bot approval flag to run a bot account on english wikipedia. As far as I know, the account had no such flag. The relevant policies can be found at Wikipedia:Bot policy. Hope this helps. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

On RFCN

There was no need for anyone to apologize; no one implied bad faith. I simply said that I had submitted the name in good faith, and I wanted to clarify that no harm was intended. I think in future, whenever I report a username there, I should mention that no bad faith was intented. However, I've made little reports there recently anyway. Acalamari 19:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there was a time when I would report someone there at least once a day; so I try to be careful when reporting names there now. Acalamari 19:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD abuse

Chris, I'm in no hurry, I just need an answer by yesterday! Uh, I mean I should have sought an answer yesterday. I'm dealing with my first two AfDs against articles I edit, and I'm going nuts! I've haven't been this angry in weeks!

My main question is, is there any recourse agaist editors who frivolously file AfDs against articles as a first resort, just because they oppose that type of article (pop culture lists in this case)? See Air Force One in popular culture; my reasonings for it's creation oare on the talk page. Also, are there appeals available if an article is AfD? SOme of the same users supporting this (not the one who created it) also AfDed two articles creafted by members of the WP:AIR ROtorcraft Task FOrce, of which I am a member. Truthfully, there was a lot of cruft in those two, but the AF1 piece has been vetted over and over for the past few months, and in my opinion everything there is notable. I really resent that thes guys go straight to the AfDs without trying anything else first, and then quote all kinds of guidelines that the article supposedly violates, and that we violate by supporting it. Any comments are welcome, except for the ones about keeping my cool and watching what I say! I already know I failed there, but htese guys have an obivios vendetta here, and I hate just rolling over for these types! THanks again. - BillCJ 02:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, there is not much that can be done. There is a pretty big divide among many ediutors as to whether that type of information is encylopedic. There are many editors who feel that this type of material does not belong here. I personally am indifferent. It looks like the afd you linked above will be a keep. The important thing is just to make sure there are good solid arguments behind the afd for the Support side. Other than that, theres not much that can be done. Hope that helps at least a little. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. So If I start AfDing all the articles these guys work on, even if it's frivilous, I'll be OK? ;) - BillCJ 15:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Lol, as tempting as that is, it is generally a bad idea. As far as I can tell, the afds are nothing personal against you, just the content of the article. It is frustrating I know but try to remeber that most editors have a problem with content, not you as a person. If you work on a certain type of content they disagree with or feel is innapropriate, it may appear as though they are after you. If you believe they really are targeting you and only you, it may be a case of wikistalking. If you provide evidence of the such, I will kindly intervene. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I do not believe they are targeting me, but as a serious editor, I do take their non-courteous slash-and-burn tactics of AfDing anything they disagree with personally. It's a violation of "Assume Good Faith", in my opinion, and it should not be a weapon of first resort. THat is what I object to. We aren't allowed to treat newbies that why; why are they permitted to behave this way? As you've said, it's a controversial issue, and there is no consensus on haw to handle it. Maybe this is more common than I know, but it's my first experience with the AFD pocess, and I have to tell you I'm not happy.

I find the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools‎ to be extremely biased against conservativle Christians, and to present a very limited POV. So I tagged it as such,a nd listed my problems on the talk page. The creator of the page responded briefly a week late, but I missed his response. Three days later (today), he's removed the tag because no action has been taken to change the article, and no discussion has occurred. So I will continue to engage him in discussion, and hope to solve the problems that way.

But I did not just AfD the article because I thought it was biased, or I didn't agree with it, or whatever. That is what these guys are doing! And they are hiding behind Wiki policis and guidelines to do it!

I'm sorry, but it's not right! But, if that's the way they are allowed to handle controversional issues, why I am trying to do things the right way?

I hope you understand my frustrations here. And thanks for listening :) - BillCJ 16:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I absolutley understand your frustrations, I have been there many times. I agree assuming good faith is important and there are many deletionists who may be a bit trigger happy on the afd. However, you cant assume good faith against an inanmiate article so I dont feel it applies in this situation (although I know what you mean, there are other ways to address issues with an article, ask for clarification, cleanup, etc etc and there are places that actualyl reccomend you do this before nominating for deletion). It is kind of unfortunate but there isent alot that can be done about it. It is just one of those situations where I take it as a challenge to rise above the other side. Try to be nice, friendly, and feel free to confront them with your issues. If they ignore you or are uncivil, ask a friend to get involved (I would kindly offer to get involved). I personally feel though that it is important to express concerns to the directly related party first though. and, you are welcome to vent/comment/anything you want on my talk page and I will gladly help if I can! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

One more thing: Personally, I don't like pop-culture referenses of any kind in serious aviation articles. I think we could do without it. But until it's all banned, we have to put up with the notable stuff. The problem is, when the notable references get too long, it needs to be split off, just like we do with the History, Variants, or other sections. Why should we be prevented from splitting off the notable items because these guys don't want any pop-culture list pages, notable or not? Eventually, we'll end up with an article with just an introduction and a pop-culture section, with everyhing else split off! If I can help it, I'm not going to let that happen. - BillCJ 17:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

That has been a recurring argument in several conversations I have been involved with and a few AFD's that I have closed. There are arguments on each side of it. The one side is saying, if it cant stand alone, and its not supposed to be in the article then lets just axe it all. The other side says, it is notable but the other people dont want it in the article so lets pull it out. These sides often contradict. I am personally for limited pop culture references section. I.E. topgun and the airplane in that movie, and other popular references. Every time and place that it is used by anybody in my opinion has no place in articles, or even outside an article. The problem with this is many people on here want to see in Black and White when in all actuality, there is plenty of gray shades in between. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand. My real problem over the AF1 article is, if this guy would have just TALKED to me, he might have convinced me to put the material back in the main article. But he didn't even TRY. (Caps for emphasis, not shouting.) And I feel that's against the spirit of Wikipedia. They aren't even trying! - BillCJ 17:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I feel ya :(. There are some sides of Wikipedia that arent as pretty (I see plenty of it daily). I just remeber the real reason I am here, to learn and help others learn and that helps me get over it! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Mess I created

I messed up something when setting up an AfD for Finda ... and now my initial entry is blended with an unrelated topic. See here. Hope you can help ... Thanks. Keesiewonder ^talk 14:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• I have fixed it. You need to place the {{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Reason the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ at the top of the afd. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! For my understanding, you're referring to section II here, right? I thought I did that ... the option before the "OR" ... maybe the first option does not work well on 2nd nominations? Or maybe I got jumbled up with 'finda' vs. 'Finda'? Anyway, thanks for bailing me out! Keesiewonder ^talk 14:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Glad I can help. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks a lot for the barnstar, much appreciated. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 14:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion

I posted it on the talk page for RFCN. Hopefully, it will continue to develop into a useful tool for our processes. Kukini ^{hablame aqui} 17:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks too. And point taken, whether it was intedend or not :) - BillCJ 17:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

3RR violation

Hi Chris, I'd like to report myself for an inadvertent violation of 3RR, . At issue is an editor who keeps changing the lead paragraph of this article. The text of the lead was decided on by draft/discussion/consensus a while ago. Because of the concerns he's brought up, that consensus is being rediscussed in detail on the talk page. Rather than waiting for consensus to be reached, he keeps adding the material back in (in violation of the earlier consensus), and I've been reverting. My 4th edit missed the 24 hr period by about 3 hours, so I'm in violation, and thought it best to report myself. Akradecki 18:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Was it reported to WP:AN3? If you dont revert it again, I do not think it will be an issue. If there was a 3RR report opened, let me know and I will look at it. It is close and it is obvious that there was no intention of violating it, especially due to the gap between the 1st and the last 3. I would not have even noticed unless you had brought it up. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of WP:AN3. I just reported myself there as well, with a note as to your involvement. Akradecki 18:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Its ok, I went ahead and closed it. It was inadvertant! We all make mistakes, you are not a regular edit warrer so, a block here would be innapropriate. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I had just typed on this page "FYI see User talk:Akradecki#Extraordinary rendition" when I was notified that there was a message from you on my talk page. You have not trodden on my toes. I never act as an administrator when I am directly involved in a dispute, as I think it could be construed as an act of bad faith. The reason I did not post a message to WP:AN3 is because I thought a warning sufficient. --Philip Baird Shearer 18:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Self revert done, and I left a message on Philip's page. However, I also included a note that said, "I must say, I was really disappointed in learning that you're an admin and yet are unwilling to wait until a new consensus is reached before going against an existing one. Yes, I understand consensus changes, and it's perfectly valid to bring an issue back up. But when you're informed that the current state of things was based on a lot of work to build a consensus, I would expect that you would respect that, especially as an admin, and follow the correct path of discussing first before repeatedly insisting on your way." If I understand things right, I'm not out of line as a mere editor in holding an admin to following correct form, am I? Akradecki 20:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Today's activity

Just going through my watch list after a daytime of inactivity from yours truly and it seems my page was hit today. Thanks for the revert, and I wonder what their problem was? Could be anything nowadays I suppose! Cheers. Bubba hotep 19:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Did you get the note that I accidently blocked you instead of the vandal? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear. Bubba hotep 10:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Help

Greetings. I think I need serious guidance.

Where to start? Let's start at near the end. I asked Jimbo for help. User:Keesiewonder responded that I should try you. There.

I'm having a problem with user's User:Guettarda (GT), User:FeloniousMonk (FM), and well, some trouble from User:Jim62sch. I have recently figured out the most probable source of their ABF (assuming Bad faith). It's because for whatever reason, FM thinks I'm a sockpuppet of several users that were banned from the Jonathan Sarfati and "related" pages (AiG, Creation Ministries International, Ken Ham). Two days ago, FM filed a checkuser on my account: CHECKUSER#Otheus. It'll come up negative of course. I live in Austria, the offending IPs are all from Australia. 2 letters, but thousands of miles apart.

Okay, so what I want is someone who does not have significant ties to FM or GT, nor to the bulk of creationist debate or the club of Australian users, to objectively look at the actions of User:Otheus (me) and give me an honest, unabated criticism. If you feel that my actions have been in bad faith, or if I have violated policies/principles of Wikipedia, I would like you to tell me so that I can take corrective action. I would like you to report your findings to users FM, GT, and also to SlimVirgin, ElinorD, and JzG (who supported FM's requests for deleting articles in my userspace). Combined with the checkuser results, I'm hoping I can establish good faith with these users.

Please respond that you will or will not help me. If you cannot help me at this time, perhaps you can help me find someone who can. --Otheus 00:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I will do what I can to help you. However, it will be tommorow morning for me before I can take a good look at it. Is that ok with you? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

For the record, Here, I am doing dispute research on this issue. Please do not edit this article as it is a work in progress as I put all the pieces together and try to figure out exactly what is going on. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

One more thing

I see that your into, well, machinery in a general sense. I tried copyediting the Motion_compensator but between the technical jargon, the main contributor's poor English, I'm lost. :) --Otheus 01:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Im not actually into machinery as such (Im more into programming side of things). I however will take a look at it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Still Need Help

Hi, thanks for the info on those box things. I found some that I wanted and put in what I thought were the codes for them but they are not appearing as boxes on my user page, they are still codes. How do you make them appear as boxes? I need help Chris! Arrrgggh! TamTammiMagee 10:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Change of name advice

Hi Chris, Following an RFCN that ended up allowed - and discussion on my own talk page - I'd like to volunteer to change my username here. Is that something you suggest? Is it easy to do? Thanks. Poweroid 14:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing_username is where you want to go! Hope that helps. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Date linking - regarding user preferences and MoS

Hi, Chris. More advice needed, in conjunction with Mattisse.

The editor has interpreted the MoS as being disapproving of date linking in e.g. birthdates and dates of death. The upshot where I am concerned is that Hoagy Carmichael's details (born and died dates) are now hard set dates, to be viewed in the format of the editor who removed the 'user preference' date linking.

Apparently the editor does this with any biographical article he comes across. I have asked him to provide the MoS guideline for his point of view, and he has not. I have asked him to hold fire with any more edits of this nature until I/we can get clarification or opinion from an experienced editor or admin. That's you, that is.

I have mentioned to Mattisse that I may need to revert Hoagy if his interpretation proves to be incorrect. If mine is incorrect, then I will obviously do no such thing. Thanks. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 17:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess for interpretation, I would go to some other big name articles and see how it is done. For example, George W. Bush wikilinks birth date, other ones that do include George Washington, Anna Nicole Smith and John F. Kennedy. I think it is safe to assume that wikilinking the dates is the preferred style. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Chris. The editor has reverted the article in question, although only to "please" me, which I don't really subscribe to. Editor is awaiting return of "Featured Article" bigwig before making up mind about future (?destruction?) of datelinks :-(. Your opinion did prove invaluable, however - as always! Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 18:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Monobook scripts

How the hell do you roll back vandalism on your watchlist so quickly?! Are there any admin scripts that can be used? Actually, scrap that, are there any good admin scripts in general? Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 18:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Adminship?

Lol, I think there is a line of wikipedians who would like to nominate him. I know I have personally offered to as well as many others. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

A line that is (a) over four months premature and (b) unwanted. And each of you will recieve the same answer. I'd put this at the top of my talk page, but that would seem rude – Qxz 18:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I apolagize if my response seemed rude. I think what I was trying to say nicley is that you did not feel that you were ready without outting words in your mouth. I understand how you feel, and you have expressed it to me before. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

No, it wasn't rude at all; don't worry. It's just slightly irritating that people offer to nominate me without even checking the age of my account – it only takes a few clicks, after all – as if they had, they would surely see that an RfA would have absolutely no chance of passing. Thanks – Qxz 18:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Stop Bot

Thanks. How do we go about stopping a rogue bot deleting articles which should at least go to AfD, not speedy. --Nélson Ricardo 19:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your time. While I'd love to express my appreciation by doting on you, it's probably in my best interests if you remain neutral and independent. Best wishes. --Otheus 19:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Otheus

Chris, I was a bit surprised by the Otheus check, but if FM has his suspicions, I'm sure they're pretty solidly based. This is not to say that Otheus is a sock, but FM's been pretty accurate a sniffing them out. If Otheus is cleared, he can proceed, but he'll need to be careful: the ban includes anyone who edits like AA and the other banned users (i.e., same style, same arguments, same style language, etc.) Hope this helps. •Jim62sch• 22:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd just let the sock-check run its course. If Otheus is not a sock, then you were right and we can all get on with editing an encyclopedia. It certainly hurts nothing to check. •Jim62sch• 23:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Very good points, Chris. I can't answer your questions about an apology. As for being accused, I was once accused of being a sock, another time a meat-puppet. I just rolled with it (more or less). •Jim62sch• 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Box?

Yes please - a box would be fine! (For the Freemasonry User link) BrianWalker 16:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Your monobook.js

(I noticed your query on User talk:Betacommand) The CSD script requires the functions at User:GeorgeMoney/UserScripts/helpers/all#Cookies to work; you will need to copy and paste the code in that section into your monobook.js. You may also need to copy-and-paste the Add LI link library at WP:US/S into your monobook.js (you used to have to, but many scripts have been modified to no longer need it). Hope that helps! --ais523 17:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Try reordering the helper functions to the top and the main scripts to the bottom; also make sure you bypass your cache (it's easy to forget, it caused my bot to malfunction during testing once). --ais523 17:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Poemsnewly

I just want to mention that this is very likely an incarnation of a well known troll by the name User:Bonaparte. I am awaiting confirmation from User:Khoikhoi. Thanks.   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Article split question

Chris, is it possible, or even desiralbe to copy an article to the spin-off page, so that the entire history of the original up to the split remains with the split, rather than doing it as a cut-and paste? Just wondering, in preparation for a possible split of the AH-1 Cobra article. - BillCJ 23:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Archimedes Plutonium

• Archimedes Plutonium (AfD discussion)

Please revisit the discussion. Uncle G 10:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

BLP w/that LP as editor

Hi Chris -- The piece that is not yet cleared up for me in the Archimedes Plutonium AfD is what to do when the article on AP is being edited by AP under User:Superdeterminism. Keesiewonder ^talk 11:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard should be a COI noticeboard to express your concerns. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 11:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll check it out this evening. :-) --Keesiewonder ^talk 11:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

copyright question

Hi Chris, I left a copyright tag on a page yesterday and now the author of the page is asking whether there's a way to speed things up so the message can come off. My dialogue with him is here and here. I'm not sure how to proceed ... but prefer to leave the tag on until a copyright expert can lend an opinin. Keesiewonder ^talk 19:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard back from...

Hi Chris, have you yet heard back from FeloniousMonk? --Otheus 20:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC) --Otheus 23:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Kfir unprotect request

Chris, it's been pretty slow on the IAI Kfir talk page since just after you protected it for us. I have a proposed text on Talk:IAI Kfir, but only one editor has responded, he's fine with it. I did get an outside opinion from User:Black Falcon‎ on my talk page, who has some experience working on articles with this typ of conflict, specifically the Sri Lankan-LTTE situation. His response is also on my page. Take a look a the all this if you will, and do what you think best, as always. Thanks again. - BillCJ 18:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if there are any more issues. SOrry to take so long to respond. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. And I took a nap in between, so I couldn't have done anything till now anyway :) Hopefully the problem will stay fixed, at least for a few more months. - BillCJ 21:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: E-Mail

The reason I don't have my E-Mail enabled is because I don't have an account. I plan to get one sometime soon, though. Do you have any ideas on other methods? RyGuy 16:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

ANNAfoxlover.

I see you left her a message about adminship as well. Yes; I had to tell her that she shouldn't do it, and I'm surprised she hasn't removed that message from her user page yet. I'm concerned that if she did nominate herself, she would be very disappointed with the results. Acalamari 18:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Forum linkspam

Chris, User:24.5.87.198 has been posting links to F-16 Photos/Images on Fence Check Aviation Photography, which is primarily a forum site, on F-16 Fighting Falcon and other modern fighter pages. I have 2 questions: Is this really a forum site, or are the pics portions exempt. Second, is there a warning tag available to use to post on the user's talk page when the WP:EL guidelines are violated. Thanks. - BillCJ 18:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

CF-5 rename

Chris, could you please move CF-5 to Canadair CF-5? Se relavant discussions at Talk:CF-5#name and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft#CF-5 change to Canadair CF-5 pages/ THanks again, and of course only move it if you feel it's justified without needing a formal poll. - BillCJ 19:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Done - -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

As always, thanks! - BillCJ 19:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

RFAR/Betacommand

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I got the impression you had more history with Betacommand than I did, so I named you as a party in Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Betacommand. I only know of the more recent things. If I'm wrong, say so, and I'll take you off the list - frankly, just the things in the last week that I do know about should be plenty. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 19:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have been fairly involved. I have not been involved in the arbitration process so tell me what I have to do. Thanks. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Follow that link. There's a section for your statement. Write there "Betacommand is a model user administrator, and bot developer, I wish everyone were like him, I would trust him with my money, my children, and my wife; I have no idea what AnonEMouse is talking about, and think he should be fed to the cat." Or whatever other comments you feel are appropriate. :-) --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 19:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies: Tony Sidaway, who should know, says parties should create their own sections, and blew away the section I made for you. But the rest is probably correct. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 19:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That is ok, I am developing my statement in a sandbox. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Non-grammatical categaory

Chris, someone has created a new category called Upcoming aircrafts. I don't know anything about categories, and this is driving me nuts! I believe only an admin can change this, but if there's a proceedure to follow, I don't mind doing it that way. THanks. - BillCJ 23:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Just create a new category, and replace all of the old cat tags with your new ones. When they are all replace, let me know and I will delete the old category. Hope this helps. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I'll do that. - BillCJ 16:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Done! - BillCJ 16:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Deleted. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks again. - BillCJ 16:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• No problem at all. Anything I can do to help. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

IP spamming aircraft articles

Hi Chris, don't know if you noticed, by user:24.5.87.198 has been putting commercial linkspam into a number of aircraft articles over the last few days...he's been warned a number of times, doesn't seem to have done any more since the last warning, but it would probably be a good idea to keep an eye on him. Akradecki 04:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

E-Mail

Hey Chris, I got an e-mail account. It's ryguy-wiki[at]hotmail[dot]com. What's your E-Mail? RyGuy 11:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I replied to the email. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Banned Vandal

Hi Chris, another sock (at least the 90th) of the vandal banned by community consensus Verdict has made a request that his most frequent target article Brock Lesnar be unprotected (he's the reason it's protected in the first place). I was wondering if you could deny his request over at WP:RfPP? It has been denied everytime he has made one (At least once a day for the last week). He is uncivil and continually places Wikipedia in legal jeopardy by claiming images he uploads are free-use when they are not. Thanks. Request was just denied by another admin, thanks though! Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 13:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• (EC) - yep, was going to say that azatoth had already denied it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you at least block him as a sock of a banned vandal? Cheers, Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 13:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm, he's made a threatening unblock request against me and my life, just ducky.... Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 13:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Its ok, i will deal with it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciate it. Take care, Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 13:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the unblock request as a personal attack and protected the talk page so that he could not abuse it again. If another version of this sock appears, let me know. Thanks. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. One or more of his socks appear on a daily basis though if you look at his suspected socks and confirmed socks, he has well over at least 80, and at least once a day makes the Unprotection request for Brock Lesnar. He has been using TOR proxies according to the admin who has dealt with him most frequently Yamla. If you would like to take a look at all the reasons he was banned, the discussion took place here. Thanks again for your help! Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 13:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The banned sock uploaded this Image:Lesnar Hogan.jpg, which is now up for speedy deletion. When you get a chance, could you take a look? Thanks again, Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 14:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 00:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Please unlock for me, please.

Unlock for me please, I'll promise not to mess up, to unlock my user, here is my user name Mmbabies.

Once you are done, will you show me how did you unlock my user name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.139.9.37 (talk) 03:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

Please do not post your password here again. You deefintely have no intention of positive contributions to this project. I will not unblock you. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

And you have been banned, so don't bother even asking. I could report all this to your ISP, you know. -- azumanga 02:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Kibibyte Crusade

There are several users such as, Sarenne, that are on a mission to change every instance of KB (kilobyte) and MB (megabyte) to KiB (kibibyte) and MiB (mebibyte). They claim to that the authority of WP:MOSNUM to make the change. They sound a lot like Betacommand when the main contributors to the article protest.

WP:MOSNUM#Avoiding confusion The manual of style says:

"The use of the new binary prefix standards in the Wikipedia is not required…"

"If a contributor changes an article's usage from kilo- etc. to kibi- etc. where the units are in fact binary, that change should be accepted."

These "Drive By" editors have never contributed anything to the articles. They just mess up the article by adding this technically correct but uncommon unit for binary memory sizes. I think the real contributors to an article should have a say in this. Their inflexible viewpoint will discourage others from adding useful content to Wikipedia.

Should I push this issue? I value your judgment because of your work on the Betacommand problem. SWTPC6800 04:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

it was mine

Those where my edits you reverted just so you now. hehe--Matrix17 15:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I am very well aware. You removed large chunks of the article without appropriate explanation. This could be considered vandalism. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

No it couldnt because it is taken from another homepage. i deleted it. What you did could be considered vandalism.Its not ok to have text from another page in a wiki article.--Matrix17 15:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive, Rude User

Could you check out my report over at AIV? That user is nothing but disruptive. Thanks. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_{Leave Your Mark} 15:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Done -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Chris. You're an exceptional admin from what I have seen. Have you considered a promotion to bureaucrat? Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_{Leave Your Mark} 15:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I have not considered a promotion to bureaucrat. I am still faiarly new at the position and the community seems satisfied with the current number of crats. Further more, should the community need more crats, I could think of many better qualified administrators. Thanks though and glad I could help. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Chris. BTW, Wrestlinglover420 is contesting his block. So let me break this all down so you understand what he's talking about. Over at Talk:WrestleMania 23 User:Suriel1981 and myself made one joke each that referenced Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes. Around the same time User:Wrestlinglover420 called us "morons" for "insulting legends" I deleted the jokes and the insult as I realize that Suriel and I were in the wrong not for necessarily "insulting legends" but simply because the jokes were not appropriate conversation for an article's talk page. After I warned Wrestlinglover for the personal attack, he attacked me again on my user talk page, and then after I deleted the initial comment he wrote another snide, obnoxious one in it's place. He is disruptive, rude, and should be permanently banned from Wikipedia. He's also extremely argumentative. See the discussion at the bottom of Talk:Booker Huffman for some evidence of this. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_Sign 16:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this alert. However in this case, I generally stay out of unblock requests in regard to blocks I have given. However, I am pretty sure that with his block log he will probably not get unblocked. I have him his 5th block for disruptiove behavior and any administrator reviewing the unblock request will take that into account. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't even think it will be seen as he didn't use the appropriate unblock template. He is however, now blanking his user talk. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_Sign 17:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

He will get tired and give up. I can give it a 10 minute protection to encourage him to give up. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

eh, I think he stopped, but I'll keep you informed. Thanks again. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_Sign 17:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

He replied back to you and I replied, I hope you don't mind. Please take a look at his talk page anyhow? I'm honestly fed up with his ignorance. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 22:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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April 2007

Sock Puppetry

Hey Chris, User:Lesnar fan is a sock of banned user Verdict. Could you block please? Thanks. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_Sign 19:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Done -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Bmg916^{Speak to Me}_Sign

Hooray! you didn't really leave! Another Verdict sock, Rock245. I'm seriously getting PO'ed at this guy, he's single handidly ruining WP:PW by getting some of our biggest articles full protected because of him. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 15:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

what?

what do you mean??--Matrix17 17:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the person in mind have an opinion of her own. If she thinks its a keeper she will vote for that or the opposit what i say isnt final.--Matrix17 17:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah i cans ee it in your perspective to. But i still believe in that people do what people want to even do someone else just makes a suggestion. But yeah its in the past. Now we move along.;) have a nice evening--Matrix17 17:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Replied on my talk page, since it's a three-party discussion. · AO ^Talk 18:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Sock Puppet

Looks like User:Wrestlinglover420 has created a sock User:Machismo420 to evade your block. The similarity in user name and the fact he erased the suspected sock puppeteer notice of User:Wrestlinglover420's User page tipped me off. He created three others as well, and used two to vandalize my user space (and yours I think?). Bmg916^Speak_Sign 19:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The practical joke thing he left on his talk page tipped me off also, as wrestlinglover had one of those. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 19:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Obvious sock puppet. I have indegf blocked. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 20:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for signing my sig book! Bmg916^Speak_Sign 20:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont make a habit out of it. However, we work together enough that I figured it give it a shot. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Either way, I really appreciate it! Especially since you don't make a habit of it. Also, do you think we should now indef. block User:Wrestlinglover420 for creating abusive/ban-evading socks? Bmg916^Speak_Sign 13:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I am personally not comfterable making that decision by myself. If you feel you could prevent a persuasive case to WP:ANI, you could resuest a community ban. If he continues disruptive behavior after his block, I will have no problen lengthening it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll wait until after the block to see if he continues disruptive behavior. I'll AGF here, although it's hard too after he creates abusive socks to evade his fifth block that's so unjust because the Wikipedia world is so cruel and unfair. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

←I agree, and in all honesty, should he continue down the path he is on, he will prob get indef blocked. However, I would like to give him a chance to clean uo his game. (I am alot nicer than many administrators in that aspect). If you have any more suspected socks, just let me know, deny him recognition, and well take it from there. Thanks for being patient through this. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Sock

How'd you find that one? If you want a reason to indef. block him besides the sock puppets, see his demeanor when discussing controversial subjects over at the Booker T Talk page under the first black champion topic. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You know, you really assume good faith, any other admin would have indef. blocked him already. If he's pushing your buttons, there's a problem. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I extended is block. Indef blocking invites a long sock puppet war and the such. I would love to give him a chance to not go through that. If I indef block him, I will push for a community ban, which means I need to gather evidence, and support it at WP:ANI. I will galdly do it if he strikes again. However, until then, i wont worry about it! Just let me know if you see him again. Thanks!-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You can bet I'll let you know,I'm honestly done AGF with him he's so argumentative and disruptive. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 18:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

After dealing with his unsound theories on racial purity, I knew he'd be one to watch. I see what you're saying though regarding getting frustrated, very sound advice. Thanks. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 18:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

sockpuppets of Mrlob

Altough MaoVerdonk is a definet sockpuppet of Mrlob, Blowland isn't. I know Blowland in real and he is not Mrlob, Mrlob has just been doing things 9including vandalizing) to his page a lot. He is not that active because he can't speak English that well. So I think you can remove the suspected sockpuppet link from his users page. Kermanshahi 06:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wrestlinglover420

Replied in his usual defensive "the world is out to get me" way. I suggest running a checkuser on the IP of his name and all the socks so we can say "we have undeniable proof". My patience is running real thin here, I don't enjoy being accused of "harassment" by someone whose views on racial purity are looked at with astonishment by anyone with common sense. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont have the power to run a check user. He is blocked, let him bitch on his userpage. (I.E. just ignore him, he will eventually give up. WP:DENY. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Can't you request one though? Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

You can too. However, his behavior is not that severe. There are not hundereds of suspected sock puppets, he is not engaging in illegal behavior. Yes, he is annoying, but without a damn good reason, a checkuser would be declined. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, well, such is life. WP:DENY sounds pretty good to me though *Puts on a set of headphones and starts listening to music to drown out noisy abusive socks* Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Thanks, but I couldn't stay away, to much vandalism going on. blah. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 18:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I know the feeling! Been there before. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Unblock of User:John A. Robinson

I've undone your unblock of this user and closed the RFCN as disallow. What the community didn't think of was that this was a vandal username, and hence immediate blocking is entirely appropriate: see Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Johnny the Vandal, you'll see about 5 variations of John Robinson among that vandal's past usernames. I don't think you really did anything wrong, but to me this debate shows that the whole RFCN process is a bit broken. In the future, it's probably best to not undo blocks if you don't understand why they were done, regardless of community discussion... I learned this the hard way, too. No harm here, though, the user never ended up editing.. and it might be an inocuous mistake, but Johnny the Vandal is such a major problem, it's worth a few hurt feelings. Mangojuice^talk 01:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I apolagize if the unblock stepped on your toes. In the future, please use more appropriate block descriptions. The ONLY reason I unblocked the user (and I checked first) was the block description was usernameblock. I apolagize if the unblock was innapropriate.-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Mangojuice wasn't the blocking admin, Misza13 was. And he only usually blocks indecent names, sockpuppets and vandal memes- not borderline cases. I am concerned that the RFCN discussion was started before Misza was asked to explain his block (and definitely that that user was unblocked before he had responded). I think we should assume that our fellow administrators are competent and familiar with username policy- especially absent any comment from them on the case in question. WjBscribe 01:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Again, I will apolagize if the unblock was innapropriate. I unblocked based on what I saw as current consensus at WP:RFCN. I'll ask in the future. Thanks for the info. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand your action, and I totally don't blame you: the truth is, RFCN should never be handling requests of that type anyway. Mangojuice^talk 01:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, RFCN is fucked up, but until something is done about it, i just carry out what I feel consensus is. THere was a strong early consensus to allow, and i was on my way out the door so I unblocked. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Seisakusho

User:Seisakusho is a Lightbringer sock, and has been reported to AIV. MSJapan 19:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

His history did match up fairly well with the long term abuse report. I have indefbocked. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. MSJapan 19:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Admins on Wikiproject: Freemasonry

We've got User:Osgoodelawyer, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of him on the Project in months (though I believe he is active). Other than that, before we had the LTA page I generally relied on building up relationships with particular admins so that when an issue arose, they were familiar with the background. It's gotten a little easier with the LTA page, but we don't have any admins active on the project.

I won't go into gory detail, but I've got reason to believe that LB is the webmaster of FreemasonryWatch (which was blacklisted), and his problem is that he fixates on a single point in an article that suits his purpose and ignores everything else as "wrong." It wouldn't be so bad, except that what he does use he misreads. MSJapan 20:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

block-tastic

I just wish they couldn't change their IP so easily. It might be time to contact the ISP. Natalie 20:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The Office

Yeah. Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 00:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

IP

That IP you just blocked... see also User talk:Guinnog. Might be worth bringing it to WP:OP and pre-emptively blocking indef. – Chacor 14:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

All right then, I'll list it. Cheers. – Chacor 14:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

After that vandalism? Who's he kidding? :) – Chacor 14:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to you both. --Guinnog 14:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

ok

I dont now if im buying that explanation but anyway i have rewritten and brought in some more info.I appreciate the work you do. You are a good admin.User:Matrix17|Matrix17]] 15:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This page history

I was just noticing some odd edits and self-reverts in the page history by the last poster. Just wanted to bring this to your attention as I know you have had to block this user in the past. I would like to WP:AGF but things look a little odd here. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 17:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind :). Darthgriz⁹⁸ 05:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Your weekend

I hope you enjoyed it, I was away too, but for a regular, not extended weekend. You missed a few sockpuppets while you were out, constantly reverting them with no edit summary other than deny banned user, and ignoring their outrageous comments on their talk page about how the suspected sock notice better not be a virus gave me a few laughs. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 19:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I did enjoy my weekend. It was good to get away. Did the socks end up blocked? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but with you on extended vacation and Yamla busier in real life than usual (than I've seen anyway), it took a little longer than usual and than I would have liked, but hey, that's the breaks, I'd rather you enjoy your extended weekend. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 19:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Minneapolis

Hello. Does Minneapolis, Minnesota look all right to you? Please pardon this form letter that is going to about a dozen people whose user name I recognize from some Wikipedia edit (could have been recent or in the past year). I expect to close peer review by nominating Minneapolis to featured article candidate in a day or two unless other editors have more work they'd like to do. In case the links help, places to make a difference are to edit in place, comment in the peer review, comment on the talk page, support or oppose when and if it gets to featured article candidate, or work on a child article linked from the following template. -Susanlesch 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Christisoursavior

Hi Chris - I just noticed on this user's page a barnstar from you saying they're a great admin. I don't seem to find mention of them as an admin; then I noticed that they added that barnstar (and others) to their own userpage. In addition, I'm worried about their username. I placed both of these concerns on their talk page, but because it involved you, I wanted to also let you know. Philippe 03:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like they removed it, sorry to have bothered you. Philippe 03:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Merging Jamestown Settlement and Jamestown, Virginia

Hey, you just told me about the 'merge proposal' tag. I just finished a rude merge of the two articles and don't know whether to add the 'merge' tag now or later. In addition, I suspect that there are two other spin-offs/merges from this material, esp. "Slavery in Virginia." I don't know what to do and I have to get back to my day job, so I'll leave it as is. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kenmayer (talk • contribs) 15:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

I just noticed you reverted "Jamestown Settlement", but not "Jamestown, Virginia", which means a lot of the original material is no longer in Wikipedia.--Kenmayer 16:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with putting things back they way they were. We have done a lot of work on these articles through collaboration (ie WikiProject Virginia). Thanks, Mark Vaoverland 17:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Help

I understand what you are saying about deleting comments. I just hope that since you asked me to be civil, you would do the same with MSJapan. I feel that he is in a constant state of battle with people and can't let things go. as you will see I have asked him many times to leave me alone and stop baiting me by continually posting things to purposefully irritate me. Read his posts...I'm not the only one he does this to. I simply ask for a fair playing field and no double standard from administrators. Jokerst44 18:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Airline info boxes?

Chris, since you're a member of the Airline project, are you up to speed on that project's infoboxes? A couple of articles, Southern Air and Tepper Aviation could use them...I've not the time to figure out how to do them myself at the moment. Tepper is new, adapted from another wiki, and could use a copy edit, as well. Thanks! Akradecki 21:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I will look into it tommorow. I am nearing the end of my wiki time. My most recent endeavour is citing aircraft project articles. I got a couple of books on airplanes while on vacation last weekend and am now working on using them as sources in the many, unsourced, aircraft articles out there! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 22:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed width issue again

Chris, I'm one of those who asked M Van Houten for stop fixing width of images. It seems that your opinion was not taken seriously, as seen on Pfalz D.XII article. I didn't reverted that fixed width change this time because I didn't wanted to erase his "good will" shown less than 20 minutes after your reply. Piotr Mikołajski 00:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Query

May I ask a hypothetical question?

If I were to alter an article you had created by:
changing phrasing in such a way as to create a false meaning;
inserting outright errors of fact;
and removing internal links that established relevance and notability--

How long would it take me to be banned from editing?

If, having done these things and getting away with them, I saw that the damage I had caused had been repaired, and responded by demanding that the article be deleted--

How long would it take for me to be banned from Wikipedia for stalking?

I ask from pure intellectual curiosity, as I would never stoop to such acts. Matthew Joseph Harrington 06:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

First off, there is no damage done to an article that cannot be repaired. Look under the history tab and every revision ever is stored there. Anybody can take an old version and make it the good version. You would not get banned right away, however you would get warned if you were intentionally changing meaning without providing citations. If there is an editor who is doing this let me know and I will look into it. However, from what I can see, nobody has been doing this. Please be a little more specific as to your requests. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

MSJapan did precisely those things, and you are ignoring the vandalism. His insistence on deletion as soon as the damage was reparied is stalking. I think you should recuse yourself. Matthew Joseph Harrington 16:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me? Please show me vandalism, or stop claiming it happened. There was NO vandalism. There is nothing remotlley close to stalking in this incident, MSJapan felt the subject of the article did not meet a wikipedia requirement and he is allowed to nominate for deletion. If I had found it, i probably would have nominated it too. IF you are going to claim stalking, or vandalism, show evidence or STOP CLAIMING IT. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

A smoking gun isn't evidence? Matthew Joseph Harrington 17:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It sure is, however you have not shown me, or anybody else one for that matter. If you show me one, im game. Otherwise, all i see is a water pistol. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately it happens to be filled with vitriol. You win; I will abandon my hopes of seeing fairness or accuracy from Wikipedia. Matthew Joseph Harrington 23:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

For alas, i feel you are confused. Your above statement implies that i enjoy seeing unfairness and inaccuracy in this encylopedia. The funny thing is, you were the one writing an unsourced article about yourself. Hmmm, wonder whos guilty of the said claims? Thanks for your concerns though about the overall well being of this encylopedia. However, I must decline your your claims of my victory for no said victory exists. Thanks though. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't wonder at all. Neither does anyone outside your clique. Matthew Joseph Harrington 02:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand that the most difficult err to see is often our own. In this situation, i find it interesting that you have been shown how you are wrong, you have been asked to provide evidence to substantiate your claims (as well as your autobiography (I mean wikipedia article)) and you have failed to provide any of it. I guess i should redact my above statement about wondering, and assert that i know who is guilty of the claims you have made. It is you! I have no problem with you or your contributions as long as they confrom with wikipedias policies (which by the way are here for good reasons, despite the popular belief that they are out to get people). If you have any questions regarding polcicies, appropriate sources, sock puppetry, vandalim or any other aspects of wikipedia that you may not fully understand, you are welcom to inquire here. Good luck. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 02:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Reset indent: the baffling thing is that the idea of house style can hardly be unfamiliar to an author. Publishers have non-negotiable rules about the format for submitting work. Presumably Mr Harrington doesn't look at the Baen Books submission guidelines and whinge about it all being a malicious conspiracy and how he knows better than them the best way to format this work. So why that reaction when it's pointed out that Wikipedia has similar rules? Tearlach 12:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Its ok, Im having fun with him. I understand that, he understands that, he is just beung argumentative and trying to keep his autobiography. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 12:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

User page vandalized!

Cool! Now I can get one of those cool "this user page has been vandalized X times" counters! :) --Otheus 17:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Grumman

I just noticed that Grumman redirects to Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation. The later name of the company was "Grumman Aerospace Corporation". Nearly 150 articles link to Grumman, and "just over 100" link to GAEC. Would you object to moving the page to Grumman without discussion? Just asking, as I have no objection to polling on the matter. - BillCJ 17:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I would err on the side of caution and poll. I personally dont see an issue, but should I move it, and it come under scrutiny, i would probably take the fire for it. Give it a few days to poll, then i will gladly move it should that be the best outcome. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick repsonse. I'll put up the poll, and we'll see what happens. - BillCJ 18:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Policy / Rule question

Several weeks ago I asked your opinion on a style war. You recommended to "choose your battles carefully" I didn't listen to you. (Maybe I should have.)

Now I have a Wikipedia policy question. The binary prefixes style has a clause that I think violates several other rules. WP:MOSNUM#Avoiding_confusion

"The use of the new binary prefix standards in the Wikipedia is not required, but is recommended for use in all articles where binary capacities are used. ... If a contributor changes an article's usage from kilo- to kibi-, for instance, where the units are in fact binary, that change should be accepted."

The style is optional until one person says it is required. It does not matter what the first major contributor wants, or ever what all but one contributor want. The editor making the change could be just a passer by who has never seen the article before. It doesn't matter if 640K is more appropriate to the article, it must be 640 KiB. This is not a hypothetical case, it has happened dozens of times over the last three months.

The drive by editor tells the original contributors to take the case to WP:MOSNUM. Here a handful of proponents of the new binary prefix say the Manual of Style required the change and if you don't like it take it up with the drive by editor. One of the proponents gave the drive by editor a Barnstar for his work.

It appears that WP:Manual_of_Style#Disputes_over_style_issues doesn't apply to binary prefix standards or does Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules

The proponents insisted that this was the consensus and must be followed. This was not true.

I went back through the talk page and found the 20 people had complained about this policy in 3 months. There is now a straw poll proposed to keep this style or remove it. Before the vote, can a style be optional until one person says it is required?

Thank You again. SWTPC6800 05:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no ability to make the policy. It is up for interpretation. If there is a straw poll, I would let it run its course and then take action based on the outcome. That way, edit wars can be prevented, and if they are started by the other editor they can be easily blocked. Do you have a link to the straw poll? I would be interested in partcipating. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Binary_prefixes_straw_poll Sarenne 13:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Primary language

What is your primary language, if you dont mind my asking? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Dutch, and Iranian, although I do speak English,

-)-(-Haggawaga (|-|) Oegawagga-)-(- 14:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Jeff Hardy

Thanks, I will continue watching the page, if s/he does it again, I will give him/her a test3, then test4 (out of AGF), then alert you for a block. Thanks! Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

If they do it again, let me know and I will block them. I have given them a final warning. WP:BLP's are held to a higher standard. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, works for me Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

i will continue

i will continue! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffhardyfan*17 (talk • contribs)

Then I will block you :) . -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Screwy talk page

Yea, I noticed that. That's really weird. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

FA star

What is an FA star? could you explain it to me? and when do you get it? kermanshahi16:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

You get it when you make a very good article, I presume. But I also think Chris has even more to tell ya about it,

-)-(-Haggawaga (|-|) Oegawagga-)-(- 17:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes He did. The Honorable Kermanshahi 17:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you help me?

Chris, can you help me with the grammar in my article about Dorus Rijkers? Please? Cause with my English itself is nothing wrong; the grammar, thats' the hard thing for me. And in this article, it is claer, that those grammatical faults make the article less nice to read (though it is my intension to make it one hell of good to read, interesting article, as its original on he dutch wikipedia is). I can't help those faults B.T.W., I am half Dutch, half Iranian, and born and rased in the Netherlands. Can you please help me even more with the gramma of this artice called Dorus Rijkers?

-)-(-Haggawaga (|-|) Oegawagga-)-(- 17:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

CSD

Can you look at Andrew Brannan please? It appears to be nothing more than a hoax, and an article about the author (whose probably living in fantasy land), all reliable pro wrestling sources have been checked, and diddly shows up on this guy. Given the user who created the article's user name is Andrew2436, and that it also fails WP:BIO and WP:A miserably, can you whack it please? Thanks. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

 Done-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, apparently, that's the second time the article was created and speedied. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, found a redirect under Andrew brannan. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

 Done-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help! Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Joseph I. Breda jr.

Hi Chris,

I'm not sure if this is the correct way to contact you or not but it's the only way I figured out how to. First off, I want to let you know that i'm not here to ridicule your job or anything else that some of the users below have done. I just wanted to kindly ask if you could perhaps rephrase what you had said on the talk page for my own personal interests. There was a lot of work put into that equation and a couple of profesors at the university and writers for our paper had hoped that wikipedia was going to allow the article to stand. You speedily deleted it for appropriate reasons, I was unaware you weren't able to put original research articles up, especially on yourself. If you could maybe edit your side of the talk page so it doesn't seem so harsh on me that would be very kind of you and also enable me to still post the page so people at the university and others can look up the equation through wikipedia with a direct link without a talk page that makes me seem the way it does. I noticed that you like classical music and smoke a lot of weed, which completely changed my mind about how I was going to go about talking to you. You're not such a bad guy from the looks of your interests.

-Joe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JBreda24 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

I believe that you have me confused with somebody else. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris,

It's not so much an OR as much as it is a theorem. I have one, Ramanujan has thousands, we both did the same thing. I can possibly get a profesor to put it on in which case I wouldn't be putting on an article about me. Can you please explain the absolute necessary steps I would have to take to get an article posted on Wikipedia. I've done things throughout my life that certainly make me an important and significant person however, I want this article to be about my mathematical accomplishments and the breda theorem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JBreda24 (talk • contribs).

Puppets were fun as a kid, but now...

User:Spiderman420 is another sock of User:Wrestlinglover420, found and blocked by User:Metros232. I think it's time for an indef block, no one would miss his disruptive behavior, I can almost guarantee it. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 23:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Puppets?

Hi Chris. Are Editorinchimp and Nigrastolemybike one and the same? I posted to the former's talk page asking them to stop adding personal attacks such as the one to Regan123's talk page, and the latter popped up on my talk page, before you had time to say "log out of one account and log in to another", asking me to stop personal attacks such as the one I had ^?made^? on Editorinchimp's talk page! I have maintained a cool attitude throughout, but I would be interested too know. Thanks. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 00:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I cannot tell you that. i cannot perfrom check users. I a,m currently drinking so I cannot make sound judgements on sock puppets based on commonialties in edits and styles. I will look into it monday. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. Don't worry about it, it's not important really. Enjoy your drink. Best wishes. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 00:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Both blocked by Newyorkbrad, so forget it and thanks for your time as usual. Cheers. Refsworldlee^(chew-fat)(eds) 00:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Jamestown proposal to improve

There have been many comments the Jamestown, Virginia article being just too big. After giving it a lot of thought, I think we could break out a major part of it into a sub-article, perhaps entitled "History of Jamestown Settlement", essentially covering the 17th century period, ending when the capital moved to Williamsburg. As a WP admininsitrator, I have the tools to do this and preserve the talk page and history, etc., but I surely do not want to move on it unilaterally. This is an important piece of WikiProject Virginia. Can we have some comments about this approach, please?

I would appreciate replies to be posted on this page: Talk:Jamestown, Virginia Thanks, Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 16:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

AndonicO's RfA

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/AndonicO is up now. Feel free to add your co-nom. Nishkid64 17:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Swing-wing

The Swing-wing page was moved via cut-and-past to Variable geometry wing‎. I support the renaming, but can you fix it so the history info stays with it? If you think it needs a poll to rename it, that's fine with me. Thanks again. - BillCJ 20:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. Someone else has moved it! - BillCJ 07:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Sorry to take so long to get to it, glad somebody got it done. I was gone m ost of the weekend due to it being my brothers 21st birthday. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

More socks

User talk:Fatman420 found and blocked by User:Metros232 Bmg916^Speak_Sign 01:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:MachoMan420 found and blocked by User:Metros232, unblock declined by User:Yamla. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 01:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I will start tommorow to propose a community ban, or block indef tommorow. I dont have to do it tonight. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 02:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Do it whenever is convenient for you, I just thought you should know two more socks were discovered. I trust your judgement about where and when to go from here. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 02:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

 Done - I have extended the block on wrestlinglover420 to indef due to repeat use of sockpuppets. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight!

I am so new to this even though I've used Wiki for so long I never would have guess it was so full of do's and dont's.

Either way thank you for the help. And I'll be sure to ask you any future questions I have. ^_^ Sassenfrathtastic

OH so I need to have 4 ~'s not just three. Is that why the date is not there ^^? Thanks again.. I feel so untalented at this. I guess it's back to being the newbie for me. ;) Sassenfrathtastic 02:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Jeffhardyfan*17

Left an uncivil message about his/her block on his talk page threatening to block us and create sockpuppets. He/she made it quite clear that they refuse to read and follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and will continue disruptive behavior. I'm ignoring their statement, per WP:DENY and WP:RBI, it actually made me chuckle a bit to be honest. But I thought you should know anyway. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

 Done - I extended his block to 1 month. If you find any obvious socks, please let me know, my feet are getting cold! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

It is cold for April, so I'll definitely be sure to let you know if I find any obvious socks. I have to be honest, that statement had laughing so hard it's a good thing I'm listening to the XM Comedy Station so I had an excuse for laughing that hard. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 17:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

What I find funny is that they dont realize it is futile. We hold all the aces. We know how to revert, get them blocked and make it look like they never did anything. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Cited Sources

Please check your inferior sources before making accusations, thanks. Alias777 17:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Please check the sources that cite what you make claims of. I.E., the source right after your assertions states 22, not 32. It has nothing to do with my sources. Might I also remind you to remain WP:CIVIL. Thanks a bunch! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't have time to update refs when I'm making up to the second edits. I can do that a few minutes later. Alias777 17:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

No, you are supposed to update the sources if you change the facts. Otherwise, the sources are either false or you are false. In these situations, I will err on what a source says over what you say. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Or you could do a little detective work to find out that both the main article as well as major news sources (Fox News) says the same thing I say instead of relying on me to do all the work and just changing things based on personal assumptions. Alias777 17:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not the one changing the facts. It would be me making an assumption that you have a valid source, which I chose not to make as you did not provide it. If you make the change, it is your responsibility to properly cite it. As I stated before, it leaves me to either say a.) some editor I dont know is correct, or the citation listed right before it is correct. I followed the link, said 22 and reverted it. All i ask is that you properly cite any changes. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Natalie Erin.

Natalie's almost to V:100 (i.e. 100 cases of vandalism)! Not sure if the term "V:100" exists yet, but she's going to be at it soon. Acalamari 17:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Just means shes doing a great job as a wikipedian! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

For the help on Freemasonry. :) Rarelibra 18:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

No prob. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Jeffersonian Model

Please review the deletion discussion for me. Should the discussion be closed and the article deleted? Please give me your thoughs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jeffersonian_Model --Stingray23464

Archiving Talk page

Hi there! I was wondering if you could tell me how I would go about archiving my Talk page. Thanks! Jokerst44 20:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

One for quick question...I did everything you suggested and it worked good. Will a new "box" (the contents box) show up on my talk page when people put comments in my talk space? It went away and I can't really tell why. Thanks Jokerst44 21:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

User name

Hey again, I wanted to let you know I had to change my username for personal reasons. Mostly, because someone I know found me on google from my editing here. I am not sure if what I did was proper protocol, and I wasn't sure how to go about it. Let me know if you think there is something else I should do to my old username to clear it. I hated to do it, but I had no choice. Thanks ThorX 03:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Mr oompapa

Hey Chris, how do I create the above page? It's got 4 users in, but every time I click on it it goes to the editing screen. The link to it from the sockpuppets pages is also red linked, any ideas? Ryan Postlethwaite 14:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What page? Sometimes, after you create a page, you need to give the server a minute or two to update. or pressing ctrl f5 usually does it too (at least on IE). -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, just purged my cache and the categories still red linked, not going to lose any sleep over it though! Ryan Postlethwaite 14:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Its working now, at least for me. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Missing citations

Chris, can you help me to understand how the issue raised by Joker on page Pronunciation Lexicon Specification can be closed? I don't know how it can be done. Pao662 15:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you answer, but please try to see the Pronunciation Lexicon Specification and for instance one of the other similar spec: SRGS, SSML, SISR. They are very similar in structure. Pao662 15:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I did it. Who will remove the disclaimer? Some other people looking to PLS page? Thanks, Pao662 15:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

2 DYKs

On 17 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aichi D1A, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Did you know? was updated. On 17 April, 2007, a fact from the article Dorus Rijkers, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 19:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

An Automated Message from HagermanBot

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Yea yea, i know what I am doing bot. Thanks though! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

WIkiProject James Bond

Interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject James Bond?? PLease respond I know you are busy its just the last few times you have ignored me. All the best ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome I've been expecting you. and I am glad I am your favorite character!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 20:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What can i say! I am glad somebody started it. I am part of wikiproyecto 007 on spanish wikipedia. About time it started here. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

User:TJ Spyke

A relatively good contributor with a slight history of revert warring and 3RR violations, but overall a good contributor. He was recently blocked indef. for "wilfull violations of WP:BLP" w/o even being warned by the blocking admin. Could you please take a look at his unblock request on his talk page please? I'm not asking you to unblock him, but I'd like an admin to look at it, because he does not deserve and indef. block by any means. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to butt in Chris, it seams a bit harsh to me without community consensus (that's just my 2 cents though) Ryan Postlethwaite 14:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and he had no current warning. I am going to accept his unblock request and give him a warning. He does have a history, but i feel that a.) a warning should have been given. b.) it should have been blocks increasing incrementally. Overall, while he may occasionally engage in disruptive behavior, he is an overall asset to the project it appears and an indef block will only hurt wikipedia, not help it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree fully with that chris, would have done the same. (Just checked the community noticeboard and there's nothing up there about him). Ryan Postlethwaite 14:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Nishkid beat me to the unblock. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Ryan, Chris, and Nishkid for your reviews and help. This situation regarding the vendetta with pro wrestling articles and BLP is getting out of control. If I went around blanking any ol' unsourced content that wasn't contentious from say Eminem, Dane Cook, Snoop Dogg, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Jason Varitek, David Beckham, etc., under the BLP banner, I'd be warned and blocked in an instant. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA questions

Yes, I'm going to answer them, but I haven't had enough time to do it. I should be able to do it tomorrow, or Friday at the latest. · AO ^Talk 15:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Countries I have been in

Whilst I am in awe of you impressive list of FIVE, I'm not sure that you can list the UK as well as Scotland and England, that reeks of igronance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.236.216.23 (talk • contribs)

lol

hahahaha i was right you do have a great sense of humor having TWO diffrent names and all.....--Tweetsabird 17:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

hahahahaha. Loves it --Tweetsabird 17:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Glad to know it! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

you have a funny sense of humor a little weird having diffrent names but whatev thats a pretty well-thought-out way to be mean to people. anywho.. no i dont need help i have been on wikipedia for longer time than i can count and i run several pages pretty much on my own but there are a few people that help me run them.--Tweetsabird 17:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris, don't know if you checked this user's contributions, but some of them, esp to CCM artists, seem to be vandalism (such as adding Mick Jaggar to a Christian band he was never in!). I reverted two, but didn't warn since the edits are a few days old, and I'm not sure if I can jump through that hoop :) Just my observations. - BillCJ 18:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep! I found that, and the previous warnings. Thanks for the heads up. Ive warned him the next vandalism warning I see, hes blocked. Pretty sneaky one, i there will probably be some other admin looking out too. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support there Chris. I appreciated it. --Guinnog 18:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Aviation archaeology (article)

Chris, BillCJ recommmended me contacting you for admin services, as I thought he was an Admin. The note below is my original contact... and since the IP person reverted Bill's undo... I ask for your assistance. The 7 external links have significant info pertinent to the article. Please stop or block the revert of the IP. Or, if the deletion is supported, then the other external links are not needed, as they have the same level of significance (or less). I also added a talk section to openly discuss this topic, but the IP has not participated. With my research amd field agent work in av-ar, I will be adding more content and sections to the article, this summer. I am here to benefit the Wiki readers, not restrict them. Thank you for your attention in ths matter. LanceBarber 19:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

->> To see the remaining conversation see User talk:BillCJ Bill, I have been updating many articles with new text and refs, internal and external links, and appropriate categories. One such is the Aviation archaeolgy article... I updated some of the text and after researching over 60 external web sites on av-ar, and found 7 of them to have significant resources about av-ar, I added the links. THEN, those new external links got removed:

• (diff) (hist) . . Aviation archaeology‎; 16:29 . . (-794) . . 76.210.164.94 (Talk) (Culled links - WP is not a link repository (See WP:NOT)). by a non-logged in editor.

THis is the second time, hours of my research gets deleted or reverted, as a curator I don't play games. Please warn and or block 76.210.164.94, and allow me to restore my additions. Thank you. LanceBarber 03:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

• At this writing, Bill has reverted the IP's revert... please assist, thank u again. LB

I have warned the anon editor. It appears as though there is a consensus to keep the links so I am ok with it. If they remove it again, let me know here and i will block them. Good luck! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Gwernol

Geez - you're fast! :) - Alison^☺ 04:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Advice and/or reprimand needed

Chris, could you take a look at Talk:United States Marine Corps, and some recent edits and reverts? Praticularly this, this, , and . I did check user:Brentt's userspace to see if he has an admin, and there is nothing htere saying that he is. On that basis I reverted his "archiving", and deletion of my and another user's remarks. If I was out of line in removing the archiving (twice, though I won't remove it again there), please tell me, and I never do it again anywhere. I do find it odd that an anon IP removed only my remarks when restoring the archiving. Yes, one of my comments was purely sracastic to make a point, but the other was just to point out the original poster's probable US-centric bias (in the sense that the view by some Americans that only the US does wrong in the world is also US-centric). I know I love to argue, and sometimes let the discussions carry me away, but I do get tired of poeple saying there's not enough criticsm of the US military, especially when that's all one ever's hears in the pubic meadia, and in plenty of places on Wiki. SOrry to involve you in what may jsut be me overreacting, but I trust your judgment, and will "try" to follow your advice. Thanks agian. - BillCJ 01:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing sections from a talk page is not reccomended unless it is for archiving and it is done appropriatly. (I.E., archiving stuff after a certain date, not archiving parts you dont like). If he is just removing sections from the talk page, that is in poor judgement and not reccomended. If he continues this behavior, let me know. You can also point him to this comment here if he questions it. However, there are a few expections. Blatant personal attacks should be removed (and I mean blatant, like "BillCJ is a douchebag and should go die" or something like that should be removed. Also, personal information, should it be disclosed should be removed and oversight requested. Hope this helps! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The Question Mark

Go read the arbitration request page yourself, and stop wasting my time with spurious requests for a link to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Question Mark (talk • contribs).

Ronnotel has denied mediation, you can ask him yourself for confirmation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Question Mark (talk • contribs).

Vandalism on Project Gemini

Undid revision 124380958 by 199.104.209.238 (talk)IP vandalism undone <<=== please log IP for repeat offense. thank you. LanceBarber 21:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

In the future, please report vandalism to WP:AIV after the vandal has been warned. Good luck! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 23:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Helicopters

Chris, this was posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation. I noticed you've been translating article for the Spanish Wiki, so I just wanted to make sure you saw this note.

Hi, I'm traducing the aircraft specifications template to the spanish Wikipedia, but I don't understand what exactly is Disc area? Someone can you help me?

Please answer in

Many thanks

Elkan76 04:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I assume he is talking about rotor disc area, but I'm not sure if that is what he's referring to. Hopefully you or someone else can help him out. thanks. - BillCJ 05:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I will look into it, not sure how much help I will be. I know a fair amount of normal spanish but I am sure there is a huge amount I do not know as it is not my native language. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Trampikey asking for unblock

User:Trampikey is asking for unblock on a range you blocked for sockpuppet account problems. Part Deux 14:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Blocking

Hi, please be careful with that recent blocking you did. That range of IP addresses belongs to BT - one of the biggest internet service providers in the UK - and I wasn't able to edit pages for a short while. The addresses from BT are dynamic ones. I don't know if they terminology in the States is the same but it means that they keep the within a certain range but every time you log on you are assigned a different IP address. My ban has thankfully been lifted now. Happy wikipedia-ing. Triangle e 14:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I realize that! My bad. I am sure i will take some fire for this one. My sincere apologies. I should have lifted all of the blocks that would prevent named editors from editing. Again, my sincere apologies. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

What do I put on my personal page?

May be a bit of a weird question but I dont know how Wikipedia user pages work and stuff. What do you put on there? Stuff about 'me' or other random things?

Hope you can help me.

Priscilla007 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Priscilla007 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Your Block of ^demonBot

This account never existed actually, I just registered it today, and provided you have no objections to doing so, I plan to use it as another bot account. I will go through BRFA and all the proper avenues (as I did with ^demonBot2). Thanks, ^demon^{[omg plz]} 19:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I just found it in the user creation log. Somebody at BAG can unblock it if you have no objection to it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Or you are welcome to unblock it. I trust your judgement here. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and unblocked it. In case you're interested, here's the BRFA. ^demon^{[omg plz]} 18:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

You have misunderstood the situation on my user page. Please don't edit my user page again w/o discussing with me first. Jefferson Anderson 21:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedias comments regarding owernship of pages. If I feel that it was in violation of Wikipedias policies regarding personal attacks, i can remove it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Except that it was subjected to an MfD which resulted in "No consensus". I'm entitled to put it back, but chose merely to link to it out of courtesy. Jefferson Anderson 21:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

re: dont feed the trolls

In the future, please dont feed the troll/vandals by adding there names to the defcon meter. You can mention there is a large number of sockpuppets, however please stop short of adding there name, this will just egg them on and cause them to not give up. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

No, my edit to the defcon meter was not an insult or trolling attempt. I am trying to alert users about the sockpuppet incident. I do not know why this is considered trolling. ↔ ^tz (talk · contribs · autographs) 12:47:59, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		WOW! I post that AIV is clogged on Template:WikiDefcon, and 5 minutes later, it's half the size thanks to you! You deserve this. · AndonicO Talk 16:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope we fight in the trenches together, but then again, I might not pass, and they're not really trenches... :) · AndonicO ^Talk 18:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The trenches are not all that gloprius. It is alot better to be at mission control telling us where to shoot! Remeber that. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, where's that? ;) · AndonicO ^Talk 12:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

re: your block on MiFeinberg

THANK GOD CINEGroup 17:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping for alot longer then 1 hour, read over his edits in his contributions, he has been at this for days. He is the kind of user where if you don't agree with what he says he reverts edits you make on any subject regardless of when or what the edit was for. CINEGroup 17:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

that is not a block I will make at WP:AIV. I blocked for immediate disruption, not for long term abuse. Hope that helps! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Then how do we get someone to look at all of these disruptive edits and finally put an end to this nightmare? Can you get me on my talk page please? CINEGroup 17:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

re

i was trying to do this out of good faith, i am trying to help also MiFeinberg contacted me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Staffwaterboy (talk • contribs)

Staffwaterboy 17:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Is there a way so i can have a little authority so i can help wiki so that i can help improve this website thxs

What should i do if another admin personal attacks me. Staffwaterboy 17:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Your observations were wrong i am human but it should not have been said in that kind of manner. A am also in school and i am typing fast makes a person feel like shit that not good sorry for the lanuge but still

Staffwaterboy 17:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your help i wish to continue to talk to you. Staffwaterboy 17:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Blocking Me

Chris, you blocked the wrong guy. Note on CINEGroup's Discussion page that Netsnipe, an administrator, exonerates me. You might look into the disruptive behavior of CINEGroup before considering any complaints he has against me or any other editor.

CINE accused me and 8 editors in the past 24 hours either with vandalizing Wikipedia or creating nonsense articles. It seems that everyone he disagrees with gets threatened with a blocking notice. I received four 3RR warnings on [my disussion page] in the space of 10 minutes. This guy has also threatened the following editors in the past two hours with being blocked from editing:

• MKnight998
• Spence69
• Cherlrenae
• Jon6810
• Stagedives
• 158.59,214.157
• Rlhockey203
• Dwartam

This guy is clearly a bully. Can you do anything about this? MiFeinberg 18:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Take it to WP:ANI. good luck! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

No hard feelings about the mistaken block. I followed your suggestion and took it to WP:ANI. You can weight in if you want here: [Incidents]. MiFeinberg 18:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About your tagging me as a sock

I can see how you think I'm User:mr oompapa, though, I'm not. I have been around his socks for a while, I'll admit that. But, I am NOT him. I have no intention of harming Wikipedia in any way, besides, I started editing BEFORE he registered an account. --24.136.230.38 20:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I replied on your talk page. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I've never known this IP to "change." I don't know anything personally about oompapa. All I know is that he is a vandal on wikipedia, who is persistant. What I mean by being around his socks is I "patrolled" the templates, making sure they were right. --24.136.230.38 20:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ive removed the tag for now. It was just highly suspicious that an Ip was chaninging suspect sock tags to confirmed sock tags. My apoloigies if this disruptued you. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Were they incorrect? I'm terribly sorry to have you go through so much trouble if they were. --24.136.230.38 20:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

No, i just read it wrong. I read it as an "admission" by oompapa. No problem, i think I understand what you were trying to do. Its ok, dont worry about it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User:70.138.11.68

Chris, can you check out User:70.138.11.68? He has made some non-productive and vandalous edits to several baseball pages, and to the Chinese people page. I have placed some warnings on his page, as has another user. Thanks. - BillCJ 00:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I was a little slow. THis user as stopped. In the future, (While I am always glad to help), a report to WP:AIV will generally yeld quicker results in times when I am not online. Usually afternoon and night EST. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Heads-up with something fishy

Chris, you might want to check out this and this diff by our old friend. Akradecki 14:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

As long as it is not listed at WP:RFA, it is not a problem. If they do become listed and live, let me know. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem, but on the second one, there's now an odd-ball page existing in the Wikipedia space. Should it be tagged for CSD? Akradecki 15:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

What page are you referring to? All I can find is the RFA page in the wikipedia/Requeste for adminship space. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

From what I can tell, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bzuk was created outside the specified nomination process, so that it is not linked to or listed on the main Wikipedia:Requests for adminship page. Akradecki 15:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. That is actually a common practice, to create the page and then prepare it. As long as it is in the space, it is not hurting anything right now. If it is there for a while with no activity somebody will find it and delete it. Hope that helps. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your time! Akradecki 15:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all, i will also keep an eye on it and see if it develops into anything else. Thanks for the heads up! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Help?

Can you please help me to change the tone of Dorus Rijkers, without changing the essence of the article? Thanks, -)-(-Haggawaga (|-|) Oegawagga-)-(- 14:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

•  Done-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism counter

I didn't want to update it really. I guess this fixes it. :-) · AndonicO ^Talk 15:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris, were you aware that your main vandalism user box says "72" but the one in the first collapsable section says "66". Split personality of your userpage? Akradecki 15:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, ive fixed it!  Done-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

And lastly, before I get out of your hair, off the computer and go and actually work on my helicopter, I took your suggestion and nommed that nav box we were talking about over at the project for deletion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Akradecki (talk • contribs) 15:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks

For reverting vandalism to my user page. --Guinnog 15:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Socks

User:Notoriousmusclebig is a sock of the banned vandal verdict. Could you please block if not already when you see this. Thanks! Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

•  Done-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Dorus Rijkers

Can you please help me to change the tone of Dorus Rijkers, without changing the essence of the article? Some people are going to delete it otherwise, or change very\rwrite everything. I thought, you might help me? To give it a more formal tone? Thanks, -)-(-Haggawaga (|-|) Oegawagga-)-(- 14:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It has already been done. I also added some footnote citations. Please remeber that once you write it, You do not own it, and anybody can edit it. Good luck! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll remember that just fine. Anyone may improve articles by adding useful things, and changing untrue\unusefull things. And you greatly improved the article, so THANKS A LOT! You saved me a lot a work, and improved the article! The tone is better now, absolutely. And next time I ask your help, I shall not ask it again before watching the article (You allready helped me!) Again, thanks, by -)-(-Haggawaga (|-|) Oegawagga-)-(- 17:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey you!

Big distracting orange bar! Stop stealing my blocks! :p – Riana _ऋ 14:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Am I a sock puppet?

- I don't understand who sent such a message(You removed it). Please help me. Vikrant Phadkay 14:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that speedy reversion

I think its a puppet from a well known nuisance - cheers SatuSuro 14:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I tis, i am blocking him about as fast as he is creating socks. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I second that! I was on here at the time and got the You have new messages (last change). message - when I looked at the page I thought "Hmmm... I can't see any changes!", checked the history, and you'd reverted. I'd give you a super-speedy-vandalism-fighter barnstar... if I knew how to make one! -- JediLofty ^{User | Talk} 14:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Same here; you beat my rollback! (Wonder why I was targeted, though? Random?) - DavidWBrooks 15:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Presented for your super-speedy-vandalism-fighting ways! -- JediLofty User | Talk 15:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Friends

Seems he has been checking his "category" -- I'm tempted to delete all those userpages per WP:DENY unless someone has a reason they are useful. Dina 15:08, 26 April 2007.

yea, that might be a good idea. m,aybye deleting the long term abuse report too. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

work

OK, I'll keep it short so not to distarct you from your work and his socks, sorry for late reply and if you delete the pages its OK, as long as they are blocked, the defcon is on 2, I'll change the message shortly to inform users on the wild action on the user creation log, thanks for your help blocking because I cant, thanks again. Tellyaddict 15:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

DO NOT mention it on defcon. WP:DENY. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Email me. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I just did it to save you time re-adding it, you can easily check the block log but if you want me not to I wont.Tellyaddict 15:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Please email me. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not being nasty but you seem to be being highly uncivil, your comments left on Retiono Virginians talk page were capitalised as if you were ordering him around and you instructed me not (in capitals again) to change the WDefCon per WP:DENY, remember that it is an essay - not a policy, admins have no higher authority than regular users and you seem to be bossing me and other users around, it seemed like to were trying to over-ride Retiono Virginians comments by saying things like "and many agree with me", please stop this behaviour, you are being very uncivil and bossy.Tellyaddict 16:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

First off, my apologies if you were offended. Second off, please understand I am fighting this battle along side you, the best way I know how. I, as well as many other admins working on this agree that WP:DENY is the best way to handle it. If you find another administrator who disagrees with my call about NOT listing specific vandals in the defcon template, let me know and I will reconsider my opinion. Thanks and good luck. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad you took it well, I meant to no offence to you I just thought I'd better tell you, we are all fighting the vandals so I can understand your situation. Thanks - Tellyaddict 16:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I find it extremely rude that you will override my comments. Retiono Virginian 18:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with me being rude. Within minutes after that was put up, sock puppets with names regarding it popped up. Please dont find it offensive, everybody involved knows what is going on. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talkpage.

Thanks. ~~ Vagish ^{T C}_VPS 15:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, <aol>Me too!</aol>. I can't seem to find a pattern to explain "why me?", though. But thanks for the quick revert. Coren 16:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

deny

Sorry..wont do it again..--Cometstyles 15:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

NP, thanks for the help! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Feeding trolls

Thanks for updating the defcon meter. However, I kindly ask that you do not name any specific vandals or abusive sock creators on such a widely visible template. These abusive editors are generally doing it for the attention, and giving it to them will just make it worse. deny recognition and dont feed the trolls. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

In my humble opinion, my decision was correct in updating WP:DEFCON. Feeding the trolls is not applicable to this situation because, 1.) Oompapa does not have access to WP:DEFCON and 2.) Mr. Oompapa is a high alert vandal, and 3.) comments concerning high alert vandals such as Oompapa are crucial in attaining a quick response. Previous to your complaint, the WP:DEFCON alert has mentioned Oompapa's name at least three times, shown here - by Misza13, here, by RV and here, by Zero. Also, I have altered WP:DEFCON for three months. I pretty much know what I am doing. Cheers! Real96 18:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I have posted a thread at WP:ANI here asking for community input on this issue. Thank you for addressing your concerns. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I will add my two cents to the discussion. Noticing from your userbox, I am glad that you are okay! Have you thought about adding a ribbon to your userpage? Sorry for being harsh, but I read your note in the morning hours and hadn't had my coffee, yet. Real96 01:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

How to respond to personal attacks

You need to spend less time on the internet.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.15.129 (talk • contribs)

I appreciated your concern with my personal life and spending too much time on Wikipedia. Internet addiction is a real disorder. However, I do not suffer from it (maybe I am in denial). Well, take it easy and thanks again for your concern. Chris Kreider 01:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Chris chris chrisy chris chris. You clearly do have an internet problem. Authoring an article on the USS Hunchback is one of the clearest signs. I suggest you stop, log off, unplug the computer, maybe even throw it away, and try to strike up a conversation with the nearest girl. It will be difficult at first, human contact, but please, just try. It is so much better than reading about girls on wikipedia. AND NO ONLINE DATING THAT WOULD ONLY DRAG YOU DEEPER INTO THIS HOLE.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.15.129 (talk • contribs)

I was first tempted to remove this as a personal attack. But, I really dont care and think it is kind of funny so, this is why it stays

On a random note, here is my response. "As i stated before, thank you for your concern with my personal life, most recently with my lack of human contact and needing to talk to a girl. I generally dont like to throw this information around but, to apease your concern, I do have a girlfriend. (Yes, she is real but you will have to take my word for it). Articles like the USS Hunchback are something to do that is not work related or even people related (some people, including myself, may have Introverted tendancies. In all, i appreciated your concern. Perhaps you might spend less time making personal attacks and more time socializing or even enhancing wikipedia!. If you need any help with this, please let me know. Thanks, Chris Kreider 02:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)"

Hahaha, I love trolls. Of course, they never realize how much time they're wasting... -- feb^talk 16:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear Chris

Thank you,
my dear Chris!

Dear Chris, thanks so much for the beautiful gift, which come me as a beautiful and completely unexpected surprise :) Not to mention the following vandalism on my user and talk pages that ensued, which you vaporized in seconds! This is a great excuse to finally meet say hi to you, after seeing so much of you around. I'll try to return the favor, so I'll keep an eye (this one) (-)(.) on your userpage in case the need arises ;) Meanwhile, here's a token of my gratitude for protecting my page - thank you!
Btw, I noticed the discussion surrounding the deletion of block templates from blocked socks and vandals' pages. I wasn't aware of this new policy, so I proceeded to delete the pages of all the socks I blocked today. I personaly think this is a good idea; having dealt with the likes of Willy on Wheels, Emico, Smugface et al since late '05, it is pretty evident to me that it's the credit that the community grants them that keeps them going. I remember I once read a quote that went like "ignoring someone is the deadliest weapon". I endorse this new approach, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention.
I was having a look around your userpage, and I really like it. Perhaps, if you wish, I could blow a little magic wikifairy dust over it and make a little design for you, if you let me. Just whistle, and I'll come flying right to it ;)
Once again, thank you. It's great to meet you, Chris! ;) Love, Phaedriel - 20:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Phaedriel! It's not really policy or anything, but it sure is effective! :) BTW - I still owe you an email - haven't forgotten - Alison ☺ 20:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Allie! :) Yes, after further research I've seen it's an essay atm, but I'd love to see it become policy eventually, sooner than later if at all possible. I'd hate to see userboxes saying "this user was impersonated by Mr. Oompapa", like the ones they once made for old WoW... remember? And, ehhmmm... sorry we hijacked your talk page, Chris! Can you forgive us? ;) Phaedriel - 21:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

First off, I try not to have ownership issues with my page so you are welcome to hijack it any time you like. second off, if you would like to blow some magic wikifairy dust over my userpage and make a design for me, i would be much obliged! ALso, thank you for the sunflower, it was much appreciated. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Maybe if she got over her god complex, she might be a worthwhile person to have a conversation with. I've got this completely amusing image in my head of her sitting at a computer desk in a Roman temple, dressed in holy garb as she clacks away at the keyboard. I mean, really, my presence defiles her user page? I'm actually sort of proud of that, come to think of it.

I probably wouldn't have bothered to reply but for that back-handed legal threat she made. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 14:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The thing about it is, I can actually respect the concept she's trying to forward. I would have loved to be able to call on the Devil May Cry task force to comment on my RFA, but per the current canvassing rules I was unable to do so. I love the idea of asking people who've interacted with the user to comment, especially since it would allow us to better judge the user's merits. However I don't think it's going to happen, not the way Kelly is doing it. I'd probably support any proposals she made on the subject, argument or no argument. It wouldn't factor into my assessment of what the policy could do to help the project. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 14:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits over at User talk:Kelly Martin

Just a quick note, as you and Lankybugger seem to share the same interests with this subject, I consider it wildly inappropriate for you to be leaving messages bemoaning a lack of civility on Kelly's talk page and messages supporting Lankybugger over at Lankybugger's talk page. It's important for an administrator to be seen to be impartial as well as being impartial, and at the moment, your edits to both sets of talkpages are neither. -- Nick ^t 14:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. I kindly request then that another adminstrator or other party review Kelly Martins lack of civility. Telling them that "there likes" are not wanted around here is complety uncivil. My warning was in response to her innapropriate response to lankybugger and I feel as an appropraite action as an administrator. Had any other editor left that message, they would have recieved a warning. Please not, I went above and beyond to make sure that I stated in a civil and nice way, while also gettign the message across. However, per your advice, i will refrain from warning Kelly Martin and ask another uninvolved administrator to review and make a decision. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't bother leaving templated warnings. Kelly Martin knows what she's doing; she's been at it for a good long time. She goes out of her way to be very rude- just ignore it and maybe she'll go away. There's nothing much to be done about this. Friday (talk) 15:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

First off, i did not use a templtaed warning, however a carefully constructed custom statement. What are the point of policies about being civil and not making pesronal attacks when it is just ignored when made by the "right" person? This is what frustrates me the most. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Block her for disruption by gaming the system. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I have an apparent WP:COI in this matter due to my previous run ins with her. If she is going to be blocked, it will be from an uninvolved administrator. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It's times like these where I wish I was an admin. Where I sit idly by watching a situation develop as a neutral third party, and then when it comes time where I would be able to take some form of action, I can't. oh well, someday perhaps, if I stick around long enough to be nominated, or if I decide to accept a nomination. And then of course, it would still have to pass. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 16:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Its ok, at this point I wish I was not involved. I have never ever been wiki stressed. When I see an editor call people varmit, trolls in bad faith and telling that there "pressence" is not wanted around here, and everybody turns the other cheek because of who it is, it makes my blood boil. I am seriously this close to taking an extended wiki break because i dont appreciate being called a troll, a varmint or an emily post wannabee. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 16:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Please check your e-mail in a few minutes. Newyorkbrad 16:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Walk away people, walk away. If you're looking for drama, you'll find enough to justify being a drama queen. If you're not, walk away. Sticks and stones.--Doc^g 17:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris, please come back!

Chris, please don't do this...you are an excellent admin! And, even though editors like myself can have conflicts, you shouldn't go! Real96 16:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris, I'm reluctant to reply, as this might be a "May Fools Day" joke. :) - BillCJ 17:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

tsk tsk ..We lose a lot of Good Editors and Admins this way...--Cometstyles 17:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Chris, we really need you here. You're a fine admin! I looked through the history of that recent exchange and am disappointed in the way you were treated. Please don't leave on account of one editor's rudeness - Alison ☺ 18:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don't go....

Today on wikipedia I have learnt that the community is willing to sacrifice it's core values of civility for an editor who is known to not listen to concerns and remove them as trolling. I find it quite sad, that just because Kelly Martin has previously acted in uncivil behaviour, other editors feel it is best to leave her to get on with it. I am filing an RfC tomorrow into her conduct, no-one should speak to another user as she has been doing over the past few days. It seams she has come back soley to disrupt RfA with her own personal agenda, passing every single comment off as trolling. The sucking up by the community has to stop. Chris, you are a respected administrator, not only by me, but the whole wikipedia community. Please think about things, and have a short break, but come back as soon as possible, you really are missed already. It seams that if you go on an extended wikibreak, you will be playing straight into Kelly's hands. Email me. Ryan Postlethwaite 21:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I second Ryan. Please try to have in mind that the overwhelming majority of us see you as an immensely valued and respected member of the community. You should refrain from conceding undeserved consideration to those whom with sourness and malice attempt to cause harm and stress. Take your time to relax. I hope to see you back soon! :-) Best regards, Húsönd 01:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thirded. WP:CIVIL applies to all of us, regardless of circumstances. - Alison ☺ 02:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Point of note, though; I believe she behaved incredibly rudely to Chris and that that behaviour was unacceptable in an editor. I don't believe, however, that "she has come back soley to disrupt RfA with her own personal agenda", rather she's just somewhat strident in her opinions. An RfC at this point might just encourage a lynchmob and that's in nobody's interest. I'd rather she was given the opportunity to explain her behaviour first. - Alison ☺ 02:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Wheww

I'm glad to hear that you are wikibreaking rather than leaving! Your return will certainly be a blessing to all of us. Akradecki 21:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and Chris, when you're up to it, I've got a technical question for you. No rush though. When you're ready, would you mind pinging me over at my talk page? Thanks! Akradecki 05:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Your comments on the RfC

I hope it's okay that I fixed the location and formatting of your comments (and I'm sorry if I did so imperfectly).

Regarding the substance of the matter, I think it's important to bear in mind that the role of the editor in question in this community has indeed been affected, as I'm sure you realize, by the way in which she frequently addresses other users. I urge you again to put aside your concerns about this particular user and, after you recharge your batteries for as long as it takes, that you resume editing and administering again without looking back. Newyorkbrad 03:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, Chris! It's no wonder you needed a break! - BillCJ 05:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Hard versus soft

This is in response to your view on the Kelly Martin thing but this isn't really about that situation, so I'm posting here. Yes, Kelly was very dickish and you say nobody batted an eye. Well, what do you think should have been done? A talk page message asking her to be polite (or even a blunt "Hey, don't do that!")? She's had plenty. Or perhaps a block? For being churlish? I can't imagine how that would help.

What I'm trying to get at is that 1) we can't just wave a magic wand and make her go away and 2) we have no effective means of getting her to change how she interacts with other editors. She'll keep doing what she does as long as she's amused by it, apparently. Let's just make it boring for her by not bothering to respond. Friday (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

• To use one of those dreaded "capitalised gibberish" terms, WP:DNFT applies to Kelly - Alison ☺ 18:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

• True, altho people may see this as calling her a rude name. I would say that Kelly too often engages in trolling, but I would not call her "a troll". We can shun someone without making any judgment about why they behave the way they do. Friday (talk) 20:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
• If WP:DNFT aplies to Kelly, then why doesn't WP:CIVIL? Ryan Postlethwaite 00:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not calling her a troll, but merely stating that the essay applies in this case, is all. I'd never call her a troll, though have to admit that I've met some self-confessed ones that were more civil :) - Alison ☺ 20:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

• If she's not a troll, then how can WP:DNFT be applied to her? Maybe the essay should be changed to "Do not feed the trolls, and other people who act like trolls but aren't trolls becasue we don't want to sound rude" (or WP:DNFTAOPWALTBATBWDWTSR for "short"). - BillCJ 01:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• Do I see a bit of a double standard here? One editor calls many people they disagree with trolls, and another editor just making a comment regarding there behavior and the appropriate way to deal with them through the wikipedia essay WP:DNFT and gets a response stating "True, altho people may see this as calling her a rude name." -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 20:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

• Just to clarify, I did not think anyone here was calling her a troll- I was only trying to say that it's likely others may see it that way- people are sensitive about that word. I prefer to view trolling as an action rather than seeing trolls as people, but not everyone makes this distinction. Again, to be clear, I'm not condoning Kelly's actions in any way at all. And I'm not looking for "fairness"- I'm just speaking from a harm reduction perspective. Sorry if I was unclear- I wasn't remotely intending to criticize anyone here. I just giving my opinion. Friday (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for your clarification, it is very much appreciated and your opinion is respected. I understand what you were trying to say now and I apolagize if I took it out of context. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 21:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Boink!

You've got mail - again! :) Phaedriel - 00:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

And you'll have mail off me in the morning (sorry, I can't load hotmail with my connection tonight) - and so will you Phaedriel. Ryan Postlethwaite 00:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Back!

Welcome back chris, it's good to see you here, I guess the best advice I can give is stay away from the dark side, that's what I'll be doing. All the best. Ryan Postlethwaite 13:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Great to have you back! Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back. I sent you an email but I think it bounced :( Anyway, ignore the dark side. The dark side will not prevail! I hope you are feeling a bit better after a breather. All the best, – Riana _ऋ 14:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Glad you're back, man, and that the dark side didn't prevail. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and if it was a handful of insults that got you a bit riled up, keep in mind that it happens to lots of admins. I've even got a nice little collection of them... EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back indeed. May better times follow what you went through in here (sometimes I'm glad being able to walk away in such disputes, telling myself that I am not an admin and there's not much I can do). -- lucasbfr ^talk 14:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! May I suggest getting stuck into article creation/editing rather than heavy admin drudgery, just to give yourself an easy start? It's good sometimes to focus away from recent stressors (hey, that's my mode for today!). Welcome back :) - Alison ☺ 19:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Great to see you back, and thanks for mentioning me in your essay, that was very kind. Anything I can ever do for you, just ask. Best wishes, --Guinnog 19:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I am very glad you're back, man. Gdk 411 21:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Hi Chris (welcome back!). I noticed you blocked 204.8.196.195 (talk · contribs) for 6 months just now, but I'm a bit confused. The last vandalism from this user occurred at 14:13 UTC, today (diff), the same minute Riana gave him/her an only warning (diff). I thought that there should be at least 2 minutes between warning and vandalism to merit a block; is there an exception in this case? (Maybe the fact that the IP had been blocked 5 times?) Hope you can explain, thanks! · AndonicO ^Talk 14:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I blocked on the fact that I do not believe it to be a school or a shared IP (If i am wrong, you are welcome to unblock). Also, there has been an escalated series of blocks as well as no constructuve edits that I found from this IP. I only give such long blocks on IP's with a series of blocks, each with increased length (such as this case). Also, I believed the vandalism to bee currently ongoing, another reason I blocked on site of the contributions log. This IP was currently causing damage and warranted an immediate block in my opinion. Hope that helps. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me. · AndonicO ^Talk 14:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)