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Sfn does not appear to work with {{cite encyclopedia}}; a Missing or empty title
is shown. In the example below, the title
/entry
value is "Suffragist Movement", and I cannot specify a title
value in {{cite encyclopedia}} since I also need to cite other titles/entries of that encyclopedia using sfn (probably via loc
parameter). I tried doing the following:
{{sfn|Guillermo|2012|page=[https://books.google.com/books?id=wmgX9M_yETIC&pg=PA416 416]|loc="Suffragist Movement"}}
{{Cite encyclopedia |last=Guillermo |first=Artemio R. |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wmgX9M_yETIC |encyclopedia=Historical Dictionary of the Philippines |date=2012 |publisher=[[The Scarecrow Press]] |isbn=9780810872462}}
{{cite encyclopedia}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(help)Is there a solution/workaround to suppress that Missing title
error? Sanglahi86 (talk) 20:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
{{sfn}}
error. It is a cs1|2 error indicating that the {{cite encyclopedia}}
template is missing the entry title. If you rewrite {{cite encyclopedia}}
to include the entry:
{{Cite encyclopedia |last=Guillermo |first=Artemio R. |entry=Suffragist Movement |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wmgX9M_yETIC |encyclopedia=Historical Dictionary of the Philippines |date=2012 |publisher=[[The Scarecrow Press]] |isbn=9780810872462}}
entry
/title
value because I was trying to reuse the encyclopedia source by citing other entries of the encyclopedia (which is why I opted to use sfn). If I leave an entry
empty, that error occurs; I was hoping for a workaround, somehow. Sanglahi86 (talk) 20:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
{{Cite encyclopedia |last=Guillermo |first=Artemio R. |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wmgX9M_yETIC |title=Historical Dictionary of the Philippines |date=2012 |publisher=[[The Scarecrow Press]] |isbn=9780810872462}}
It is often the case that I quote a series of articles that appear in different months of a magazine or journal. So you might have Smith May 1995 and Smith August 1995. The suggested solution is to "mangle" the date by adding a letter to the end. I would be fine with this if the letter was separate from the date, but changing something like date=May 1995 to date=1995a really makes my skin crawl.
Yes, I know I can override it with a |ref...
... but, is there any reason the template can't do this itself? That is, if the sfn has "more stuff" in the date part than just the year, it picks a more specific cite? For instance, sfn|Smith|May1995|p=6 would attempt to match on links for last=Smith date=May 1995, and if that fails, tries last=Smith date=1995.
Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
References
Scholarly bibliographies outside of WP never this, to my knowledge.Oh ... never say that something
neverhappens. See Parenthetical referencing § Author-date 8th bullet point. And just to show that it isn't only en.wiki, this google search.
{{sfn}}
is a variant of the {{Harvard citation}}
series of templates so it adheres to the generally accepted multiple-sources-with-the-same-author-and-date scheme.with or without lowercase letterdisambiguation, and it appears that it's written to interpret any unusual date/year names as author names. (Template editors and admins correct me if I'm wrong here.)
{{Harvnb|''Woodstock Letters''|July 1888|p=218}}
" renders the incorrect visual text: "Woodstock Letters & July 1888, p. 218" You could:
[[#CITEREFWoodstock_LettersJuly_1888|''Woodstock Letters'', July 1888]], p. 218
" which renders as, "Woodstock Letters, July 1888, p. 218"{{Citeref|style=plain|''Woodstock Letters''|July 1888|''Woodstock Letters'', July 1888}}, p. 218
" which renders as, "Woodstock Letters, July 1888, p. 218"{{harvcat|''Woodstock Letters''|July 1888|p=218}}
" could render the same as the above examples.[1]References
I still haven't seen an answer to the actual question. Why can't it "just work"? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
it "just work"? This template is used on 140+ wikis so internationalization and date validation become issues.
{{sfn}}
is a short-form Harvard style citation template. The de facto standard for disambiguating Harvard references is to add a lowercase alpha suffix to the publication year (the last positional parameter in a {{sfn}}
template). {{sfn}}
complies with that de facto standard.If more than four authors are given then the template still works, but a hidden error is flagged up. See for example the old version where {{sfn|Ingrey|Duffy|Bates|Shaw|Pope|2023}} generates a reference to "Ingrey et al. 2023." which links to the citation (Ingrey, L; Duffy, S; Bates, M; Shaw, A; Pope, M (2023), "On the Discovery of a Late Acheulean 'Giant' Handaxe from the Maritime Academy, Frindsbury, Kent", Internet Archaeology (61), doi:10.11141/ia.61.6). Not a major problem, and one that is easily fixed (see the edit by wham2001 (this diff), but odd that it should work when the documentation says otherwise. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
has been made to work when there are more than four authors. In the normal way of things, when there are five positional parameters in
{{sfn}}
, the fifth is expected to be a year. In OP's example, the fifth positional parameter (Pope) is not a year so the module examines the sixth and subsequent positional parameters for an assigned value that looks like a year. If a year is found, the module replaces the fifth positional parameter's value (Pope in the example) with the year (2023 from the sixth positional parameter in the example).While gnoming for articles in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors and Classical music, I came across the article Piano and String Quartet (Feldman) which had an error message "sfn error: no target CITEREFHamilton1993–1994" for citation #30. I was baffled because clicking on that link took me to that source and highlighted it, as expected. So why the message? Below is a simplified version of that citation; it shows that error message but clicking on the reference will highlight the source.
text.[1]
References
Why? How can it be fixed? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:04, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
|ignore-err=yes
to the {{sfn}}
template.|ignore-err=yes
.<nowiki>{{sfn|...}}</nowiki>
adds a trailing period (example[1]), which is out of place, since the short footnote format does not produce a sentence, nor does the period serve any other apparent purpose. In contrast, <nowiki>{{refn|{{harvnb|...}}}}</nowiki>
does not (example[2]). There are also instances where one does not want a trailing period, depending on a <nowiki>loc=</nowiki>
parameter. Could we remove the trailing period from the <nowiki>{{sfn|...}}</nowiki>
output? Although there will be many affected articles, this change should not have a significant impact.
References
—Quondum 17:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
{{sfn}}
was a wikitext template. When {{sfn}}
was converted to use Module:Footnotes, the default postscript character was retained.<nowiki>{{sfn|ps=none|...}}</nowiki>
is supported and achieves the desired result. —Quondum 19:28, 28 October 2023 (UTC)@Trappist the monk: You may be able to help: Summer 1993 as a date, per this Citation style question causes {{sfn}} issues. If 'Summer 1993" is used in the sfn, the references becomes ' Parsons & Summer 1993, p. ZZZ.' - i.e. Summer is taken as an author. If Summer is excluded, the reference does not cause the citation to be highlighted. See the current state of this draft, for instance. Is there a cure? thx. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
{{sfn}}
templates and 'Smith' {{cite journal}}
template:
{{harvnb|Parsons|1993|p=207}}
→ Parsons 1993, p. 207 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFParsons1993 (help) (using {{harvnb}}
here to simplify things){{cite journal|title=Founding the Hollywood Bowl|last=Smith |first=Caroline Parsons |journal=American Music |volume=11 |number=2 |date=Summer 1993|pages=206-242 |publisher=University of Illinois Press |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/3052555}}
{{harvnb}}
to use 'Smith', it works:
{{harvnb|Smith|1993|p=207}}
→ Smith 1993, p. 207
I find that the Sfn format does not properly work (does not achieve "bi-directional link" functionality), if a work has multiple authors (..like 20) and the top 4 names are not listed completely. Ideally it would be better to correct the code and keep the functionality for just 1 author listed (the first author). If not, and in the meantime, the documentation of this page needs to be changed:
EXAMPLE:
With this Cite using multiple authors:
* {{cite journal |last1=Jeong |first1=Choongwon |last2=Wang |first2=Ke |last3=Wilkin |first3=Shevan |last4=Taylor |first4=William Timothy Treal |last5=Miller |first5=Bryan K. |last6=Bemmann |first6=Jan H. |last7=Stahl |first7=Raphaela |last8=Chiovelli |first8=Chelsea |last9=Knolle |first9=Florian |last10=Ulziibayar |first10=Sodnom |last11=Khatanbaatar |first11=Dorjpurev |last12=Erdenebaatar |first12=Diimaajav |last13=Erdenebat |first13=Ulambayar |last14=Ochir |first14=Ayudai |last15=Ankhsanaa |first15=Ganbold |last16=Vanchigdash |first16=Chuluunkhuu |last17=Ochir |first17=Battuga |last18=Munkhbayar |first18=Chuluunbat |last19=Tumen |first19=Dashzeveg |last20=Kovalev |first20=Alexey |last21=Kradin |first21=Nikolay |last22=Bazarov |first22=Bilikto A. |last23=Miyagashev |first23=Denis A. |last24=Konovalov |first24=Prokopiy B. |last25=Zhambaltarova |first25=Elena |last26=Miller |first26=Alicia Ventresca |last27=Haak |first27=Wolfgang |last28=Schiffels |first28=Stephan |last29=Krause |first29=Johannes |last30=Boivin |first30=Nicole |last31=Erdene |first31=Myagmar |last32=Hendy |first32=Jessica |last33=Warinner |first33=Christina |title=A Dynamic 6,000-Year Genetic History of Eurasia’s Eastern Steppe |journal=Cell |date=12 November 2020 |volume=183 |issue=4 |pages=890–904.e29 |doi=10.1016/j.cell.2020.10.015 |url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7664836/ |issn=0092-8674}}
Sfn will not work (not poppup window to the ref, and no active link to the ref) if written with just one author:
{{sfn|Jeong|2020}}
Only this will work (a bit cumbersome!!):
{{sfn|Jeong|Wang|Wilkin|Taylor|2020}}
Therefore I suggest the following changes to the documentation (or better, if possible, change the programming to allow for just one authors, if someone if able to...):
ORIGINAL TEXT:
Author(s) and year
The author and the year of publication are the only required parameters. Up to four authors can be given as parameters."
NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO:
Author(s) and year
The author and the year of publication are the only required parameters. If the authors are multiple, they have to be listed up to the fourth.
ORIGINAL TEXT:
Only the first four authors are required by the template. Listing more is not supported.
NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO:
The first four authors are required by the template. Listing more is not supported. Listing less will disable the "bi-directional link" functionality.
Comments welcome. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I find that with Sfn the parameter loc= only works up to 1000 characters. Could we add the following text
("up to 1000 characters maximum") in order to warn users:
ORIGINAL TEXT:
Adding additional comments or quotes
The templates {{harvnb}} or {{harvtxt}} can be used to add quotes or additional comments into the footnote. This effect can also be achieved using {{sfn}} by adding a quote or comment to |loc=.
TO BE CHANGED TO:
Adding additional comments or quotes
The templates {{harvnb}} or {{harvtxt}} can be used to add quotes or additional comments into the footnote. This effect can also be achieved using {{sfn}} by adding a quote or comment to |loc= (up to 1000 characters maximum)
.
Thank you! पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
|loc=
is absolutely not to be used for quotations, long, or short. It is for something else entirely, which is documented under § Usage. In short, it is a replacement for parameter |p=
or |pp=
when those params are not appropriate; for example, the book cover, unpaged copyright page, or even in tandem with one of the page parameters, where you could use |loc=
to specify a figure or diagram number, as well as a page, or a page plus a footnote number, for example. If the description in the doc about param |loc=
is not clear, let's fix it; but there is no need to make the max length longer; think of it as 'alt-page-number'; would you want a 1000-character long field, to describe the page number location in a book?|ps=
, but apparently, according to the Nota bene in the doc, this has been deprecated, and quotations are now supposed to go in param {{loc}}. I unfortunately missed the Rfc that decided on that change, and on the face of it, I think it's a poor outcome, but maybe it was the best of a bunch of poorer alternatives. In any case, I have no answer for you right now, but will have to look further into this. For the time being, I would advise against using param |loc=
for any type of quotation, and instead to borrow {{efn}}, and place your quotation there. There is no limit (that I am aware of) on the length of a quotation you may place in an explanatory footnote. In addition, {{efn}}'s may be placed in the reference section at the end of the article, instead of encumbering some section with a 1000-character quotation in the middle of the section. See WP:LDR for how to do this, or ask here for further details. Mathglot (talk) 09:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
<ref>{{harvnb|Smith|2023|p=123}}:
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.</ref>
: [1].
|loc=
for comments or quotes should be withdrawn, and either this form or {{efn}}
suggested instead – putting quotes or comments inside short footnotes stretches them too far beyond their core purpose, which is to provide short references that get merged if referring to the same place. Kanguole 10:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
<ref>{{harvnb|Smith|2023|p=123}}: "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet"</ref>everytime a quote is needed, is not, I'm afraid, an elegant solution, is also not user-friendly, and is quite a mess when editing an article... Also {{efn}} is for notes, not references, so it is not a proper solution either... The current documentation provides a smart solution: it simply is necessary to have a quote option such as loc= within {{sfn}}.पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 12:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
|loc=
is going into the fragment identifier of the URL, right? That's because |loc=
, like {{sfn}}
itself, was designed for a different purpose, and doesn't fit this one.|quote=
param handy and I use it myself in a <ref> tag, but as Kanguole said, the meaning of "sfn" is a short footnote, and optional, extended information, wherever it ends up, should surely not be there. Mathglot (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)|loc=
to hold a quotation is semantically incorrect. I agree with others here that {{sfn}}
and the other short-form templates are intended to be short. If the quotation is important to the article, put the quotation in the article and cite it; don't clutter reference sections with quotations. Quotations require citations; citations do not require quotations.{{sfn}}
template using |loc=
to hold a quotation will include the quotation five times in the article's rendered html. For example this:
{{sfn|Name|2023|loc=Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet}}
<sup id="cite_ref-FOOTNOTEName2023Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet_1-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FOOTNOTEName2023Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet-1">[1]</a></sup>
<li id="cite_note-FOOTNOTEName2023Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet-1"><span class="mw-cite-backlink"><b><a href="#cite_ref-FOOTNOTEName2023Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet_1-0">^</a></b></span> <span class="reference-text"><a href="#CITEREFName2023">Name 2023</a>, Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.</span></li>
|loc=
to do something it is not designed to do.|loc=
for quotations is wrong and should be removed from the documentation for all short-form templates that use Module:Footnotes.References
Using loc= for quotes has been policy for exactly 2 years now (User:Jonesey95). And we are now cancelling this policy after a short 24h discussion? What are content contributors supposed to do? Asking editors to juggle between {{sfn||Smith|2023|p=123}}
and <ref>{{harvnb|Smith|2023|p=123}}: "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet"</ref>
depending on whether there is a quote or not, is not reasonnable: it's mind-numbing and discouraging even for veterans. On the contrary, the loc= fonctionality in {{sfn}} is clean and easy. If we can't use it, I wish somebody would take on the task of programming a simple, clean, coherent referencing system similar to it... like adding a quote= functionality to {{sfn}} for example. Quotations are a key element of "easy verifiablity", using them should not be such a hassle. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
|loc=
because it solved some other problem that was, apparently, considered more serious.{{sfn|Smith|2023|p=123|quote="Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet"}}So yes, I do volunteer to take it on, if that's any use. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 10:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
|loc=
. Apart from the encapsulating ref tags and the position of some braces, they amount to the same keystrokes. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
{{sfn|Smith|2023|p=123}}
<ref>{{harvnb|Smith|2023|p=123}}: "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet"</ref>
{{sfn|Smith|2023|p=123}}
{{sfn|Smith|2023|p=123|loc="Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet"}}
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
{{sfn}} and {{harvid}} seem to be out of sync on handling special characters. See Collective work for several examples that now show up as redlinks. Thus
Generates a link to
but
generates
The effect is[1]
Aymatth2 (talk) 14:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
{{citation|ref={{harvid|Bernard Safran: Paintings – safran-arts}} |title=Bernard Safran: Paintings|work=safran-arts.com |url=http://www.safran-arts.com/index.html|access-date=5 June 2017}}
#CITEREFBernard_Safran:_Paintings_–_safran-arts
. If you are referring to footnote 1 in the top image caption, it links to the short footnote, which links to the full citation, so everything looks fine and I see no error here. Mathglot (talk) 05:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC){{sfn}}
but rather is caused by User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js at User:Aymatth2/common.js#L-1 in your common.js page. Remove that line from your common.js and then refresh the page in the screen-cap. The error message should go away. If it does, try a different harv error script or report the error to Editor Ucucha.That did it. Duh. Thanks. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:45, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Follow up: I wonder if the problem described above is the same problem that is described at phab:T348928 where MediaWiki is incorrectly url-encoding the short-form link when it should be anchor-encoding the link:
{{urlencode:CITEREFBernard_Safran:_Paintings_–_safran-arts}}
→ CITEREFBernard_Safran%3A_Paintings_%E2%80%93_safran-arts{{anchorencode:CITEREFBernard_Safran:_Paintings_–_safran-arts}}
→ CITEREFBernard_Safran:_Paintings_–_safran-arts—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
It gets worse. Since when has é been a "special character"? (A rhetorical question! before someone comes back with "1247" .) At Lunar month, citation 8 gets an error
but the cited source is certainly there. Exactly the same article read on desktop view sees no problem and [8] resolves as expected. It does not compute, Captain. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Proceedings are collection of works published by academic institutions, museums, etc. They usually have one or more high-profil scholars as editors, who may or may not participate with their own work included into collection. Other authors, whose number can vary (few to few dozens), write a chapter with a unique title each (sometimes one author can contribute two or more chapters on different subject) on different, but subjects related to the field, say, history of some heretical order. So, now we have a book as a collection of chapters written by different authors, chapters have unique titles, collection is edited by one or more persons who contributed or not something. So, this is not the same thing as multiple authors of one paper in journal.
Is it possible to cite such book with sfn, and if so, how?
Imagine that you need to use few chapters in your wiki article but they should be used with separate footnote - every chapter has its title and writer, and the only common thing is the main title of the collection, date of publishing and an editor(s).
Example of one such Proceedings can be observed here: Zbornik radova - it is a first 11 pages with usual information and most importantly you can check Content ౪ Santa ౪99° 14:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
* {{cite book |editor-last=Šanjek |editor-first=Franjo |date=2005 |title=Fenomen "Krstjani" u Srednjovjekovnoj Bosni i Humu: Zbornik Radova |location=Sarajevo |publisher=Institut za istoriju u Sarajevu |isbn=((9985-9642-5-2)) |language=hr}}
** {{harvc |last=Ančić |first=Mladen |c=Bosanska Banovina i Njezino Okruženje u Prvoj Polovici 13. Stoljeća |in=Šanjek |year=2005 |pages=11–26}}
** {{harvc |last=Neralić |first=Jadranka |c=Srednjovjekovna Bosna u Diplomatičkim Spisima Rimske Kurije |in=Šanjek |year=2005 |pages=371–386}}
** {{harvc |last=Šanjek |first=Franjo |c=Papa Inocent III. (1198.-1216.) i Bosansko-Humski Krstjani |in=Šanjek |year=2005 |pages=425–440 |id={{sfnref|Šanjek in Šanjek|2005}}}}
{{harvnb}}
because simpler) point to the {{harvc}}
templates which, in turn, point to the {{cite book}}
template. Here are the {{harvnb}}
templates:
{{harvnb|Ančić|2005|p=20}}
→ Ančić 2005, p. 20{{harvnb|Neralić|2005|p=380}}
→ Neralić 2005, p. 380{{harvnb|Šanjek|2005|p=430|ref={{sfnref|Šanjek in Šanjek|2005}}}}
→ Šanjek 2005, p. 430{{cite book}}
: CS1 maint: ignored ISBN errors (link)
{{harvnb}}
and {{harvc}}
templates; this to avoid circular or improper links between the templates – {{cite book}}
uses CITEREFŠanjek2005
so {{harvc}}
must not also use that CITREF id.There seems to be an issue with {{sfn}} when using the |ps
and |pp
parameters together. By default, in using both, you end up with two sentences without a space between them (see the Lindskoog example below). Some editors have tried to fix this by adding an extra |loc={{sp}}
parameter, but then this gives you a comma you probably didn't intend. The comma either trails at the end of a sentence when you don't have a |ps
parameter (pp. 18–19 example), or else separates two sentences when you do, instead of them being separated by a period (Gormley).
Also, when you have two {{sfn}} templates with the same |pp
parameter but different |ps
parameters, the engine renders them as the same citation, so the version with the |ps
becomes unreadable (see the James Russell example).
Markup | Renders as |
---|---|
The book<ref>{{cite book|title=The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe|p=24|year=1950|last=Lewis|first=C. S.}}</ref> explores{{sfn|Lewis|1950|pp=18–19|loc={{sp}}}} the themes of lions,{{sfn|Lewis|1950|pp=18–19|loc={{sp}}|ps=This is explored further by James Russell.}} witches{{sfn|Lewis|1950|pp=32–33|ps=This is explored further by Kathryn Lindskoog.}} and wardrobes.{{sfn|Lewis|1950|pp=64–66|loc={{sp}}|ps=This is explored further by Beatrice Gormley.}} == Notes == {{reflist-talk}} |
The book[1] explores[2] the themes of lions,[2] witches[3] and wardrobes.[4] Notes
References
|
I would suggest that the preferred rendering should be:
It Is Me Here (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
|postscript=
in the cs1|2 templates, the purpose of |ps=
and |postscript=
in {{sfn}}
and related templates is to control the rendering of terminal punctuation; a single character: a dot, a comma, a semicolon, etc.References
@Trappist the monk: Would it be possible to add a parameter to the template which functions similarly to |p=, but instead marks a timestamp to make it easier to use Template:Cite AV media as reference? Antiquistik (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
|loc=
instead of |p=
, it's for in-source location when |p=
and |pp=
are inappropriate. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 17:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
|time=
or |minutes=
. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
|loc=
, which is available and used for this purpose, |time=
and |minutes=
don't work with {{sfn}} -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 10:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Confusion reigns. This is the talk page for {{sfn}} however the OP asked about {{Cite AV media}}. ActivelyDisinterested replied in the spirit of SFN whereas Michael answered correctly for AV media, which is why AD can't find the parameters in SFN! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a parameter to the templateas meaning this template, and that the OP meant
Cite AV Media as referenceto mean the cite that SFN is linking to. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 11:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
|loc=
is indeed the answer. Kanguole 13:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Can this be used with {{Cite court}}?--SRuizR 20:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
|ref=
field as described in the Template:Cite court documentation. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 21:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)You are invited to join the discussion at Module talk:Footnotes § loc, at. Rjjiii (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, in Madam La Compt there is the following message: "Cite error: The named reference "FOOTNOTEMcDermott1949128" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page)."
There are some {{sfn|McDermott|1949|p=128}} and one {{sfn|McDermott|1949|p=128|ps=. Note 100.}}
Do you know how I can get rid of the error? Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
|ps=
, and is explicitly cautioned against at Template:Sfn#Adding additional comments or quotes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hello: Could someone please modify either template:cite Q or template:sfn so they work properly together by default? See recent edits to Gwendolyn Grant (activist) for examples of the problem. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 21:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Why is this discussion happening in twop places. Don't do that. Continue at Template talk:Cite Q.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
I have this
{{cite book|first1=Fred |last1=Von Bernewitz |first2=Grant |last2=Geissman |title=Tales of Terror: The EC Companion |publisher=[[Gemstone Publishing]] and [[Fantagraphics Books]] |location= [[Timonium, Maryland]], and [[Seattle, Washington]] |date=2000 |isbn=9781560974031 |ref={{SfnRef|Von Bernewitz |Geissman |2000}} }}
, and this
{{SfnRef|Von Bernewitz |Geissman |2000}}
Why is this giving me code errors?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
{{sfnref}}
when you should have used {{sfn}}
?{{cite book}}
template emits a CS1 maint: ref duplicates default message because {{SfnRef|Von Bernewitz |Geissman |2000}}
produces exactly the same CITEREF
anchor ID as the {{cite book}}
template does for itself. The {{cite book}}
template should be rewritten:
{{cite book|first1=Fred |last1=Von Bernewitz |first2=Grant |last2=Geissman |title=Tales of Terror: The EC Companion |publisher=[[Gemstone Publishing]] and [[Fantagraphics Books]] |location= [[Timonium, Maryland]], and [[Seattle, Washington]] |date=2000 |isbn={{format ISBN|9781560974031}}}}
Thank you for the advice. I didn't know that judging based on the documentation, I thought I had to use SfnRef because there's more than one author. But that helps me out a lot. thank you.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 00:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change: Shouldn't the See Also example text be an un-ordered list?
Diff:
− | ==See also==
| + | ==See also==
*[[Ipso facto]] |
Dough34 (talk) 21:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
References
I'm having an error pop up due to a hyphenated surname... How can I correct this? Thanks. ~ HAL333 16:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
{{sfn}}
. Where did you get the idea that it did?{{sfn}}
, but the solution is to use the plain hyphen-minus (U+002D) instead of U+2010. Kanguole 17:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Is this the correct template to use for an undated, single-author work? If not, which template do I use? There's an issue where using the template with "n.d." for not dated lists that as a second author. The other issue is that multiple different sources from the same author are used.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
{{harvp}}
for clarity and simplicity; {{sfnp}}
renders the same format):
{{harvp|Green|n.d.}}
→ Green (n.d.){{cite book |title=Title |last=Green |first=EB |date=n.d.}}
{{harvp|Rivadavia|n.d.(a)}}
→ Rivadavia & n.d.(a){{harvp|Rivadavia|n.d.(b)}}
→ Rivadavia & n.d.(b)<ref>{{harvp|Huey|n.d.(a)}}; {{harvp|von Helden|2010|p=257}}</ref>
→ [1]{{cite web |ref={{SfnRef|Rivadavia|n.d.(a)}} |first=Eduardo |last=Rivadavia |url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/stronger-than-evil-mw0000997320 |title=Stronger Than Evil |website=AllMusic |access-date=August 21, 2015 }}
{{cite web |ref={{SfnRef|Rivadavia|n.d.(b)}} |first=Eduardo |last=Rivadavia |url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/blood-fire-death-mw0000171761 |title=Blood Fire Death |website=AllMusic |access-date=March 27, 2008 }}
{{cite web |ref={{SfnRef|Huey|n.d.(a)}} |last=Huey |first=Steve |url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/marching-out-mw0000650446 |title=Marching Out |website=AllMusic |access-date=August 21, 2015 }}
{{cite book |last=von Helden |first=Imke |year=2010 |editor-last=Scott |editor-first=Niall W.R. |url=http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mmp1ever1290310.pdf |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20141028202550/http://www.inter-disciplinary.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mmp1ever1290310.pdf |url-status=dead |archive-date=2014-10-28 |chapter=Barbarians and Literature: Viking Metal and its Links to Old Norse Mythology |title=The Metal Void |pages=257–263 |location=Oxford |isbn=978-1-904710-87-5 }}
→
{{cite book}}
: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)n.d.(a)
. {{sfn}}
expects the CITEREF
disambiguation letter in the same format for n.d.
that it expects for a numerical year: 2024a
so n.d.a
.References
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