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Birjis Qadr

• ... that Nawab Birjis Qadr became a poet during his exile in Nepal?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Clark Hubbs

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 21 April 2019 (UTC).

• Looks good. Source-checks pending. ∯WBG^converse 12:12, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

• A new reviewer is needed as the original reviewer has been unable to return in spite of a talk page message. If no one else picks this up in a week, I'll do it myself. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:50, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• This article is an expansion and is new enough and long enough. Winged Blades of Godric seems to have checked the referencing of the article. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

• Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 5 image hook. The article needs copy-editing and clarification, and a new hook is needed with more context and hook interest. Yoninah (talk) 23:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

• This nomination also appears to have been made 8 days after expansion began. The reviewer should decide if it merits IAR. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 23:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Just adding my two cents here. As the nomination was only a day late, I don't see any harm in allowing it per WP:IAR. Secondly, here are two possible alternative hooks: the first is basically the original hook with added context, the second adds the reason for his exile:

ALT1 ... that Birjis Qadr (pictured), who was Nawab (leader) of Awadh state in northern India, became a poet after going into exile in Nepal?

ALT2 ... that Birjis Qadr (pictured), who was Nawab (leader) of Awadh state in northern India, went into exile in Nepal after the Capture of Lucknow in 1857?

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• It strikes me that one very interesting fact is that he went into exile when he was twelve years old. Adding that fact to both of the above hooks to get ALT3 and ALT4:

• ALT3 ... that Birjis Qadr (pictured), who was Nawab (leader) of Awadh state in northern India, became a poet after going into exile in Nepal when he was 12?
• ALT4 ... that Birjis Qadr (pictured), who was Nawab (leader) of Awadh state in northern India, went into exile in Nepal after the Capture of Lucknow in 1857 when he was 12? —BlueMoonset (talk) 05:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

The problem with ALT3 is that it's a bit of a run-on sentence, the hook makes it vague if he was 12 when he went into exile or when he became a poet. ALT4 kind of solves the issue, but in any case, perhaps a reword is in order. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 05:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Query: There are problems with the hook facts, which may well be true but portions of them are inadequately supported/cited in the article. I moved up a citation for Qadr's exile to Nepal (the first citation only states this for his mother). His being Nawab is good and becoming a poet in Nepal is good. That he was aged 12 when he went into exile is not stated in the article, and there is no specific date for the exile from which to calculate his age. (One could surmise he was 12–13, but there is no citation.) The article also specified the capture of Lucknow in 1858, not 1857, with an offline source. I think there's also an issue with overlong sentences presenting too many facts. At this point I can only pass ALT1. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 Ready 5× expansion in eight days before nom (will accept), long enough, neutral, well cited, no copyvio detected. ALT1 is formatted, under 200 characters, cited in article with some offline sources, and interesting. Image is public domain, appears in article, and displays well. QPQ verified. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)