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My sources of the eclogues say it was written in 37 BC, the wikipedia article of eclogues also says so. But this page says 42 BC?
One of the images on this page is the cover of an edition of Wheelock's Latin. This seems like a possible copyright violation; even if it's not, it seems silly to reproduce the cover of a book. Can we find an image of the mosaic and just use that? Akhilleus 00:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
"Dante mentioned him twice." - what sort of joker would write that? Just hypothesizing, but I believe that Dante mentioned Virgil a good deal more than twice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.112.109.137 (talk • contribs) .
Can anyone here help with the discussion at Talk:As You Like It#Homoerotic overtones? AndyJones 15:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
What's up with the addition of Opera (?!?!) at the bottom of the list of Virgil's List of Works? Can anyone add info, or delete if inappropriate?
Zidel333 23:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey folks, I just read this article for the first time. I noticed the "Later Views of Virgil" section begins with the statement, "Even as the Roman world collapsed, literate men acknowledged that the Christianized Virgil was a master poet, even when they ceased to read him." Is this a leftover from some earlier editing or something? Where (and how) in the article's narrative did Virgil become "the Christianized Virgil"? I looked back over it several times, and found nothing preceding this statement to explain this sudden assertion. Of course, it does discuss it, somewhat, a little farther down under "Middle Ages," but that doesn't really cover the time period of the collapse of the Roman world. Also, I am not sure how it ought to be rephrased, but when I read the term, "Christianized Virgil" that said to me that Virgil had become a christian, thus prompting me to do an immediated double check of the dates in question, as this seemed somewhat unlikely... Darentig 11:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The name of this article should be changed, Vergil's name is recognized as Vergil, not Virgil.
71.34.254.110 18:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)Jon Armor Mode
I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 16:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"There are some indications that Vergil was adept in the magic arts, and may have practised necromancy." I think we need to see some of these indications of Vergil's special abilities before we can include this. --StoneColdCrazy
Then, what was he? German? Greek? Illyrian? Out of Space? I dont get it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derek Ross (talk • contribs) 07:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC). -- (said someone who didn't bother signing.)
I refer you to this: Dido and Turnus, who are both casualties of Rome's destiny, are more attractive figures than Aeneas, whose single-minded devotion to his goal may seem almost repellent to the modern reader.
I disagree: Aeneas is a more attractive figure than Turnus, who seems vain and power-hungry. In any case, it is not for an encyclopedia to make such pronouncements, and so I propose the sentence be deleted. RedRabbit1983 10:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Bucolics [book of, i.e. Liber Bucolicon] vs Eclogues as title for Virgil's first major work: Apropos of different tags for Virgil's book of ten eclogues, the following deserves notice IF the present medium has any claim to authority as opposed to mechanical repetition of common notions:
Since the title Bucolics, clearly credits his debt to Theocritus, use of Eclogues as a name for Virgil’s book has been rightly called “unfortunate” by Don & Peta Fowler [Oxford Classical Dictionary (19993) 1604a; Virgil’s use of Theocritus’ title also recognized by Richard Hunter, Theocritus A Selection (Cambridge University Press, 1999), 5]
While tradition both in its scholastic & its literary dimensions has often committed a kind of metonymy, using the label of the several separate parts —— ecloga —— to stand for the whole book, this metonymy has been especially pernicious because it occludes the fact that Virgil did construct a single book (unus liber as an ancient commentator calls it). In this regard, the Virgilian Encyclopedia does a better job of reporting. Sicelidas 02:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC) Sicelidas 15:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
e.g., has for a few centuries at least been naturalized into English from Latin exempli gratia that means 'for the sake of an example, by way of illustration'. Similarly, i.e, from Latin id est, which means 'that is'. Less common but useful, scilicet, scil, sc., 'it is permitted to know, you are allowed to infer'. Also, viz from Latin videlicet, which means 'it is permitted to see' used to introduce a set of examples. Permit a little surprise that anyone even mildly interested in the niceties of Virgilian biblionomastics should balk at the use of such useful cognitive signposts as these abbreviations long part of the conceptual tool kits of essayists & scholars. But then this WP is a brave new world. Maybe I should be wasting my time with NUpedia or a better medium.Sicelidas 16:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The elusive 'argument' of this entry got elucidated in the first sentence, i.e., that difference & even dispute have emerged in two millennia over how Virgil's first work was & should be entitled, the two most prominent options being Bucolics & Eclogues: the former borrows from the Greek of Theocritus who wrote short epic poems in which herdsmen are the main characters & called them Bucolica. which may be translated roughly 'that pertain to care of cattle'; while the latter looks to the form & textual status of the short pieces, which were called eclogae, also Greek, a term that can mean variously in various semantic domains 'draft' or 'selection' or 'accounting' or 'part of a book'.
Both titles entail metonymy, whether from formal status or content, but Bucolica has the advantage of specific reference to a generic thread & to the Greek model against which Virgil worked, hence the preference for it by distinguished scholars, as mentioned above.
Sicelidas 20:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
My profs in college and grad school both related the "virga" etymology. What's the ancient source? Is it Donatus? Also, I've never heard of the "virgo" origin. What is its source? The "virga" theory is less obvious, I think, and therefore probably more likely (we call that a lectio difficilior). Ifnkovhg (talk) 07:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
What is the general feeling here about devoting a few lines in the article to a discussion of Virgil's alleged love interests (both gynerastic and pederastic) as intimated in Suetonius, as well as of modern views thereof - ranging from bland acceptance to vigorous refutal? Haiduc (talk) 22:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Just curious about this line. I'm pretty familiar with Virgil. I've never read anything like that. wrote someone who didn't remember to sign with ~~~~
If I'd known this would have caused so much trouble I wouldn't have put it in. As I did, and it is being removed without any discussion, I would like to justify it. I'm not attempting historical revisionism; I tend to think that the correct Anglicised form is Virgil and the correct Latin form is Vergilius and I'm not trying to replace the latter with the former. However Virgilius is not a Latinisation of an Anglicised form but an alternative Latin form. It was used during Virgil's lifetime and became increasingly common after his death. I didn't think this fact was "little known" (and I still don't) although the exact time and circumstances are admittedly controversial. As for a source, G. P. Goold, the editor of the most recent (1999) Loeb, justifies the use of the name as follows:
The form is not strictly correct because it is not the name the poet would have used himself but its use ("Virgilius" rather than "Virgil") for almost all but the most recent editions of texts (the notable exception being the Teubner) justifies its inclusion. There is a modern tendency to try to obliterate the form from history or to deny that its use is anything but a mistake of English but this is itself mistaken and constitutes revisionism. Choose your own wording if you don't like mine - I'll tone down "or" to "sometimes called" or "known in the later Empire as" or something to that effect - I'd like to find a form we can agree on, but please don't just remove it.--Lo2u 09:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I should add that looking at my first two edit comments again, they do read like I was suggesting Virgil had replaced Vergil as the standard in Virgil's lifetime which is not what I meant but result of my wish to be brief and to emphasise that Virgil is not an English invention; I suppose I overstated a bit. But again read the above and please don't simply revert. --Lo2u 09:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't the Virgil spring from that Vergil was Homosexual and therefor, in some sense, a virgin (Virga/Virgus= Virgil)..? That is at least what I have heard. --Harabanar
I thought that, originally, virgilius/vergilius was a latinization of the name fergal/feargal and that the other name definitions were either puns or a later attempt to figure out the etymology of what was not originally a latin name. The celts liked to pun for sure and I sort of half remember the romans being good at is as well. I think that vir/viri (manly), virga (wand), virgo (maiden) and ver, veris (springlike) all come from vireo/virere any way. 06:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)06:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.37.31 (talk)
Are we really able to call Vergil's earlier works epics? Surely the Eclogues are bucolic poems and the Georgics didactic works. This is my first time editing a page so I thought I'd post this question before going ahead and rewriting the introduction to this article. Olørin (talk) 19:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I have rewritten the first paragraph, removing the rather redundant information about the number of books in the Aeneid and the over linking. I feel this simpler paragraph is more in keeping with those on other Roman writers. Olørin (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Firstly let me say I am not going to rewrite this article. I do however feel it needs reorganising. Compare the articles on Cicero and Ovid with that on Virgil. A bit sad isn't it? My main aim is to improve the referencing and inline citations so that the box at the top of the page can be removed. I also want to reorganise sections such as the life and early works section which overlap considerably.
I would like people's opinion on how much information should be given on Virgil's works, or should we trust people to read the articles on the Eclogues for themselves. This page seems to contain too much summary information of the books.
I think the section on Later views of Virgil is important, although it is an area I do not know very much about.
Also I am not familiar with Nupedia, but do feel that Wikipedia should contain independently researched material, rather than direct copies from other sites.Olørin (talk) 20:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could someone please add a proper pronunciation for “Publius Vergilius Maro” to the article? TNX. —SlamDiego←T 08:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I expected to find a complete, unmodified version of his work in digital format at wikisource. It's not there, it's an incomplete translation of his work. Should we not link to wikisource:la:Scriptor:Publius Vergilius Maro instead, given that it's more complete and identical to his actual work? -- 203.171.192.85 (talk) 07:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I took out "legend has it." The phrase is far too romantic. We know that ancient biographies and commentators say this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.171.131 (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Alright, this page has a lot of problems, it is unclear, garbled, is interpretive where it shouldn't be, and doesn't cite appropriate sources. I am going to try and edit this to make sense.- John F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.171.131 (talk) 23:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Well I edited the page a bit. Wrote new sections on Birth and Bio Trad, Early Works, The Eclogues, The Georgics, worked a little on the death paragraph, added the section on views In Antiquity, and included some Famous Quotes. I hope that you all like it. I unfortunately felt compelled to remove the analysis on the eclogues. In my discussion of them I tried to avoid any major issues and just stick to some general summaries of them. I did like what was there about the development of Virgil's poetic mythos and epic consciousness, but I really thought that would be better on the Eclogues page, where we could have interpretations rather than on the Virgil page where just the Oxford Classical Dictionary facts are found. Hope you all enjoy it. I will try and work up a fitting Aeneid section sometime soon. John F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.176.91 (talk) 03:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Well I edited the page a bit. Wrote new sections on Birth and Bio Trad, Early Works, The Eclogues, The Georgics, worked a little on the death paragraph, added the section on views In Antiquity, and included some Famous Quotes. I hope that you all like it. I unfortunately felt compelled to remove the analysis on the eclogues. In my discussion of them I tried to avoid any major issues and just stick to some general summaries of them. I did like what was there about the development of Virgil's poetic mythos and epic consciousness, but I really thought that would be better on the Eclogues page, where we could have interpretations rather than on the Virgil page where just the Oxford Classical Dictionary facts are found. Hope you all enjoy it. I will try and work up a fitting Aeneid section sometime soon. 11/03/09 76.127.176.91 (talk) 03:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)John F
I have written a new Aeneid section providing in the briefest terms a summary of the poem, a discussion of sources, and a very short discussion of critical themes. I also smoothed out some of the writing in the other sections. I hope people enjoy this! 76.127.176.91 (talk) 03:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC) John F
I know this is a contentious subject, but the biographical tradition is pretty strongly in favor of Virgil's homosexuality, regardless of whether this is true or not (of course we can't know the "truth" outside the biographies), still that should be reflected in the article.Jdf8 (talk) 03:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
As for references, see for example "Roman Homosexuality: Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity" by Craig Williams pg.33,275 Suetonius Vergil, 9 "libidinis in pueros pronioris" (he was of the desire especially for boys); this same passage also says that he loved the slave-boys Cebetes and Alexandrus, on whom Alexis in Ecl. 2 is modelled. I don't mean to say of course that this was definitively Virgil's orientation, but I am just quoting the biographical tradition, and when it comes to Vergil, all we have to go on is the tradition. Plus, it's not for us here on wikipedia to try and prove that Vergil was one or the other, just that the biographies say that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdf8 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC) Jdf8 (talk) 05:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know what his real name is? I need to know what his real name is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.211.102.126 (talk) 19:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Aargh...should we really be using BCE instead of BC? The latter is fair and accurate - the calendar is dated from Christ, whatever religion you are - better known and a full symbol shorter (two if you use periods). Sigh. The other's probably going to end up convention, but I couldn't let that happen without a whine. -- JG
You can do want on Wikipedia... You simply risk someone changing it back. :-) (I promise I won't, in this case.) In that respect, Wikipedia is not unlike Zombo.com. --LS
I'm sure there was some long debate about it (BCE versus BC) when Nupedia adopted it. Nupedia loves a good debate. :-)
You is not kiddin'. --LS
I believe that at least the Medieval History section explicitly says that they aren't insisting on AD *or* CE.
Firstly, his article is inconsistent with itself, it uses both forms. The form BC/AD is and has been the accepted norm for centuries. Only in the recent past has the voice of secularists attempted to deny the existence of Christ and therefore the designation of the cakendar that bears his name. Happy, Deor?? RtB 10:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brich2929 (talk • contribs)
"BC" means "Before Christ." the word "Christ" comes from the greek word for "messiah." Since jews, muslims, buddhists, atheists, etc. don't believe that Jesus was the messiah, using BC is considered biased. It's hard for me to get used to it as well, especially having gone to catholic school, but academics seem to have all made the change.
Regardless of what designator you use, the calendar used by the majority of the world is based on the life of one Jesus Christ, period. Call it what you want, but truth is truth. If you dislike those facts, then all Athesists, non-Christains who are offended should push for a new year-designation TOTALLY independant of semantics AND Jesus. Who's going to start the movement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.32.32.166 (talk) 19:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Deor, you aren't following the rules of this discussion page, namely being polite and avoiding personal attacks. Why call the School Board in TX "morons" when you don't know them? They are professionals, and their decisions affect the rest of the country's school texts for the next ten years. In my view, that is very relevant to the issue at hand. As an addition, other notable ancient scholars and philosophers on Wikipedia all use the BC?AD designation, for example, Socrates, Plato, Eusebius, etc. RtB 20:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brich2929 (talk • contribs)
Does anyone think this section is unecessary? First, the information it presents is already given in the biographical section. Second, such statements as he was "olive skinned" and "of rustic appearance" are a tad romantic, and pretty much conjectural since the only portraits we have lack much detail. Third, the Catalepton cited is not securely by Virgil. Fourth, the citation is from an Italian book, not a major source like Servius, who might be a creditable source for expansion on the information presented in the biographical section. I propose this section be deleted as it is pretty much superfluous. Jdf8 (talk) 03:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
In the section on the Aeneid it says that Aeneas' father Anchises dies in book 5. This is not correct. If you read the poem, his death is recounted by Aeneas at the end of book 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.73.31.50 (talk) 19:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I have decided to delete this section. First of all, it is unnecessary, as all the information contained in it is already stated above where it is referenced with ancient sources whose problematics are discussed. Of course we cannot implicitly trust Sevius, writing hundreds of years after the Aeneid on the physical appearance of Vergil, and the tradition of vita (biographical) writing about authors is a seriously problematic genre, not to be taken as truth. Similarly, although we have the famous portrait mosaic, we cannot be sure that the image is not simply an idealized representation of the poet. In fact it is likely that it is, so we will never know with any scholarly certainty whether Vergil had rich olive skin and dark hair. Secondly, I had a chance to look at the Italian work which was cited in this section and it proves to be a mere introduction to a translation of the Aeneid. This is not particularly scholarly, takes a wholly credulous view toward Servius, and does not seem particularly trustworthy for me as it is a simplified description written for lay readers without a critical eye. Thus, this section has been deleted as being unnecessary, unscholarly, and written too credulously. Jdf8 (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
This section could usefully be expanded to include more modern appreciations, for example that of Graves. BTW why is the subsection "Virgil's tomb" incuded in this section? The reference to association with "miraculous powers" seems a little tenuous to be relevant. 212.159.59.5 (talk) 10:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Is there any reason why despite the fact that the whole text of the article refers to Vergil/Virgil as "Vergil" it has been placed in an article named "Virgil" or is it accidental?
Probably something related to "commonality" or some "the ignorant lead the way" sort of thing. Scottandrewhutchins 01:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Scottandrewhutchins
Names and surnames shouldn't be translated. Your James Bond is not translated in Giovanni Bondi, so please leave at Virgilio his name. The same for cities.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.51.57.214 (talk) 16:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
It's Giacomo Bondi... come on! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.76.207 (talk) 02:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I learned that the spelling "Virgil" came from the word "virga," a stick or magic wand, and not from "virgo," virgin. Anybody know anything semi-authoritative about it?
My Latin teacher said that it was from "virga", because early Christians, like Dante Alighieri, saw what they considered a prescience of monotheism in Vergil's work, hence some sort of mysticism, thus, "wand", and modified the spelling for that reason, back when spelling was much more malleable than it is today. Scottandrewhutchins 01:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Scottandrewhutchins
I'm wondering why this page was moved from "Virgil" to "Vergil", by User:Derek Ross. In my experience, while both are acceptable spellings "Virgil" is the far more common spelling, and if so then the page should be under that spelling. This is born out by doing Google searches, searching Amazon, Britannica, and so on. Paul August ☎ 17:33, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
Of 11 books that I just pulled off my immediate shelves, ten are for "Virgil" and just one (Harvard Classics from 1909) uses "Vergil". Even were this not true, there is no justification for changing the titles of publications in the bibliography. If a book is published with a specific spelling then that is the spelling by which it should be recorded. Please can we reverse the changes, since they introduce material errors, while we discuss a resolution? —Theo (Talk) 18:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Paul August asked me to comment here...so, the two books of Latin poetry I coincidentally have in front of me at the moment (from 1948 and 1963) use "Vergil", while my professor's notes from my Palaeography class last year have "Virgil". My old Latin text book (Wheelock) also uses Virgil. I'm not really concerned with what the title is...I imagine "Virgil" would be more recognizable to the average person, even if "Vergil" is more technically correct. Adam Bishop 18:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I have moved the page back to its original place. Of the 378 references to the poet in Wikipedia, about a third point to the E-spelling, possibly because of Derek's industry. I have bypassed a few of these redirects but I now need to go out into the real world for a few hours. Could somebody else take up the baton? —Theo (Talk) 20:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I will be glad to help with changing "Vergil" to "Virgil" assuming no one objects. Paul August ☎ 21:20, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
Hi guys … the real world has released me. The issue of the era notation is a thorny one. Policy says that we should respect the prevailing standard in each article (in this case CE/BCE) but the categories are all based on AD/BC. I think that this is an anomaly with which we must live until era user preferences are implemented. —Theo (Talk) 22:54, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Just 98 links remain to be fixed but I hear Morpheus calling. Back goes that baton … —Theo (Talk) 00:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Well done, guys. -- Derek Ross | Talk 14:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
As a Classicist, I prefer "Vergil" to "Virgil" -- I like the former's revisionist historicism instead of the latter's traditional historicism. It is, however, the spelling that has taken hold.
Here's what the Oxford Classical Dictionary has to say about the matter:
Given that it's really a matter of preference, we should probably go with the more common Virgil, however irksome it is. —User:Crispinus211
Stuff changes. There has been a general shift in all fields of literary criticism, both in classical and modern studies, towards greater accuracy at the expense of historical conventions, a trend that should be 'encouraged', not delayed. I'm for Vergil. Chick Bowen 21:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I would support any move to Vergil, simply because that's a vastly more accurate name, and any encyclopedia should strive to teach people what they don't know, rather than mindlessly echoing back to them what they already think they know.
This is especially so when that encyclopedia has a function as useful as "redirects" at its disposal - has it ever occurred to y'all that the only reason Britannica and many other authoritative sources use the more common name rather than the more technically accurate one is because they're worried about people looking for "Virgil" and not being able to find it because it's under "Vergil"? This is not even remotely an issue for Wikipedia, where we can safely and easily give an article an accurate and less-known title and simply make the more-known title a redirect to that. This helps dispel old misconceptions and spread public awareness of the true names of these people more than simply mentioning the discrepency within the article ever could, whereas blindly obeying the "most common name" doctrine merely helps propagate and spread incorrect information.
On the other hand: it certainly is Wikipedia policy to pick the most common name, so the place to take up disputes like this is at the policy articles themselves, not at individual unrelated pages like this. The most important thing by far in Wikipedia in situations like this is consistency, regardless of which way Wikipedia ends up going on the issue, so this battle should be fought in the halls of Wikipedia policy-making, not on random, scattered articles on all types of topics. Additionally, there is certainly a precedent for using the most common even when it's completely inaccurate and misleading: Gandhi is at Mahatma Gandhi because he's most commonly known by that name in English-speaking countries, even though the name is fundamentally arbitrary and random among all the possible titles he could be called.
On the other hand again, there is also some precedent for giving some articles accurate names even when they're much more obscure than the more common, inaccurate ones. For example, Augustus' page is at Caesar Augustus rather than at the much more common but somewhat misleading "Augustus Caesar" (or even at a compromise page like Augustus (which is currently a redirect)!).
So, this could go either way, but our first priority should be to ensure consistency in the article titles throughout Wikipedia. We should only break the mold here if we break it everywhere. --Silence 05:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that the only truly accurate way to refer to Virgil is to use his Latin name Publius Vergilius Maro. In fact, in Germany it is the convention to refer to him as Vergilius. The i spelling arose due to a false etymology with 'virgo' during the Middle Ages. Virgilius became Virgil in English, and then in the United States German immigrant classicists suggested emendations to Vergil. I use Virgil because it is the original anglicized version of the name (via French), just like Ulysses for the Latin Ulixes. However, in terms of correctness, neither Virgil nor Vergil are actually the poet's name. -- Hpc
I may be wrong, but this could also be an example of vowel weakening which occurred over a long period of time in Latin - it may be that the vowel quality in either case was confused at that period. --Nema Fakei 12:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
The German Wikipedia doesn't call him Vergilius, it calls him Vergil. Have a look- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.235.212.17 (talk) 08:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
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Why don't you just import the Nupedia article on Virgil to this page? :-)
I thought I would do this myself, but then I found that Nupedia's page formatting is not very 'Cut and paste friendly'. Can Nupedia have a feature (I think others have requested this) for 'Printer-Friendly Version' which simply prints the article without table-formatting as plain text?
It is already pretty printer-friendly. Anyway, what problems would that solve? Anyone can easily cut and paste it, either from the HTML source or from the web page.
The very idea of cut-and-paste should raise the hair on the neck of any computer nerd. The obvious solution is to put a like to the Nupedia article prominently here (perhaps in the first introductory sentence), and then let Wikipedians add any additional comments they want in more free-form way. --Lee Daniel Crocker
We shouldn't assume that the average Wikipedian is a computer nerd; and why should cut-and-paste raise the hair on their neck anyway? It's a simple and easy way to move the content from there to here. It is open content, so there should be no objection to doing this. Anyway, I've already done it. It took about two minutes to convert unfriendly characters.
Also, Lee, I disagree with your apparent attitude toward the use of Wikipedia. Wikipedia should have content here, on the website, not links pointing elsewhere. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a links collection. It's also not a discussion forum first and foremost, but, again, an encyclopedia. An open content encyclopedia, meaning that we can (and should!) make use of public domain and open content stuff. --LS
Very interesting, Larry. For me, in Netscape on Linux, the cut and paste was very unhappy. There were lots of spaces before each line, which would have required me to painstakingly edit each line. Chalk one up for IE, I guess. :-) Jimbo Wales
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Larry_Sanger (talk • contribs) 23:49, 16 March 2001 (UTC)
Was Virgil murdered??? I was not aware of this, and the link which is included in support of it seems dubious.
I also question about the murder situation. i'm a roman history buff and have been for sometime now and i've never heard this. Augustus did have Ovid exiled and then he eventually died, but thats different.
How? By poisoning, fortasse? If so, by whom? What motives(s)? Not a likely scenario. And history doesn't mention anything at all -- the one and only source of evidence we do have.
-- PraetorBrutus
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Praetorbrutus (talk • contribs) 18:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Do we have a source for the October 15 birth date? InscrIt-13-02, 00043 (EDCS-ID: EDCS-37801311) gives it as October 14. Thanks in advance! Q·L·1968 ☿ 03:51, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
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