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The recapture of Constantinople was in 1261, it fell in 1453. Is that BRIEF???
I removed the following paragraph from the main article. As it stands, it makes little sense, & I could see no way to improve on it:
(I could set out a line-by-line critique of this paragraph, but I leave it for someone else to do the necessary research to fix it & return it.) --llywrch 02:38 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Why is the greek in the accusative? Τραπεζούντα should be in the nominative.
It's simpler than that: Τραπεζούντα is the Modern Greek form of Τραπεζοῦς, since 3rd declension nouns regularly go to 1st declension. Opoudjis 13:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
To all involved in this edit war over the name: I haven't blocked anyone for a long time. Don't tempt me. I've protected the page because I am sick of seeing it appear on my watchlist; coincidentally I also happen to think the current version I've protected is the best solution, but if you want to change it for some reason, please discuss it here first. Adam Bishop 19:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Could someone please add [[he:טרבזון]]? Felagund 11:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I removed the parapgraph which stated that Trabzon still has asizable Pontic Greek population "As Muslims were not deported afterthe treaty of Lausanne". This just isn't true. There are no Pontic Greeks left in Trabzon. Also Pontic Greeks are not Muslim-- they are Orthodox Christian. I suspect that whoever wrote this paragraph must have been thinking about the Laz, who are Muslim, and who speak Lazca-- and who certainly should be mentioned in this article. There are people who believe that the Laz are related ethnically to the Pontic Greeks, but my understanding is that this has been disproven.
FYI, the Laz are a very sizable minority group along the Black Sea Coast, and their language is very widely spoken, though as a rule younger generations are bilingual. Ethnically they are not Turkic, but one has to understand that "Turk" in modern day Turkey is less about ethnicity than it is about national identity. You can be of Laz, Circassian, Greek or whatever ethnic background but still be Turkish. (One of my Turkish friends made the point that if ethnic purity were the criteria for being a Turk, very few Turks would be Turks-- this is what comes from living on the crossroads of civilization.) So yes, Gilgamesh, above, is right: the Laz do not claim a non-Turkish national identity. Cheers. 38.2.108.125 13:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
More: The Wikipedia entry for Pontic Greeks states the following: "Some writers estimate that there are 300,000 people of Pontic Greek-speaking descent (Ömer Asan 1996) in Turkey (in Trabzon, entirely Muslim and a majority (225,000 - 250,000) speaking Turkish today)." Every other source I have read is clear that all Pontic Greeks left Turkey, however, it is entirely possible that people of Pontic Greek *descent* still live in Turkey. Their ancestors, however, almost certainly converted to Islam, learned Turkish, and identify as Turkish nationals. Nobody identifying as Pontic Greek would have stayed, or would have been permitted to stay. 38.2.108.125 13:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
People have been changing the names section, I think the way I have changed it is fair - it has the Turkish and Greek names at first, but is shorter than before because I moved the link to list of traditional Greek place names to the "see also" section. Thoughts? --Awiseman 06:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to thank Macukali for his work on the article, but it seems a lot of this information is about Trabzon Province, and is not specific to Trabzon city. If there are no objections I think we should move some of the info to the relevant article. —Khoikhoi 16:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up dubious content on the city's Armenian community.Hetoum I 18:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The link 'A Traveler's Guide to Turkey's Black Sea Region' is not in English. I think it should be removed as it does not belong in the English speaking wiki. Also, I am not even sure if it is a proper travel guide page. Just appears to be a whole lot of advertising links etc. PyrE 04:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
What are the reasons to write the name of the city in Laz? How many Laz live in the province and in the city? The references should be provided, of course. Alæxis¿question? 20:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I have lived in the area when I was a kid, and never ever met or heard of a Pontus community. There is nothing wrong with there being one, but that is not the case. I am sure there are many there of Pontus origin, but no one identifies themselves as such. This claim seems to be politically and ethnically motivated at best. No surpise here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.118.177 (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
"Trabzon was a major Armenian extermination center during the Armenian Genocide"
Is this the way of presenting a city in wikipedia? What is the purpose of such a statement?
There are many other wikipedia pages, where the massacres committed against Armenians, and massacres committed by Armenians are listed. Bringing up such a politicized issue into Trabzon wikipedia page makes the page and the city look ugly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satabey (talk • contribs) 17:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Propaganda? Give me a break. It has been well-documented.Dogru144 (talk) 13:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Why is the Armenian name of the city added to the intro? This is not an official or regional language of the city, it's not spoken by a significant share of its inhabitants. Historically it was part of several Greek states and Greeks lived there for a long time, so the Greek name is warranted, unlike the Armenian one. Alæxis¿question? 20:17, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Lesser Armenia 211.138.124.208 (talk) 23:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
“ | Lesser Armenia is a part of the Armenian Highlands (Eastern Anatolia region of Turkey), more or less coinciding with the modern provinces of Sivas (Sebasteia, Armenian: Սեբաստիա), Erzincan (Armenian: Երզնկա), Gumushane (Greek: Αργυρούπολις, Argirocastron), Malatya (Melitena, Armenian: Մելիտենէ, Մալաթիա). | ” |
or from Western Armenia
“ | Western (Ottoman) Armenia was composed of six vilayets (vilâyat-ı sitte), the vilayets of Erzurum, Van, Bitlis, Diyarbekir, Kharput, and Sivas. | ” |
Trabzon is not in these provinces or vilayets, it was not in Roman Armenia I or II provinces. Armenian Kingdom included Antioch and Damascus during Tigran the Great, it doesn't mean that the names of these cities in Armenian should be present in the lead, same thing with Trabzon. Alæxis¿question? 07:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
What are the proper reasons of the latter blanking by IPs and some (new) users of referenced information? Aregakn (talk) 09:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Now that the latest POV deletion activity in the Modern History section has subsided, can we consider whether the genocide text might be better off in an article of its own, named something like 'Armenian genocide in Trabzon. That new article would be referenced from this one by a sentence or two. As things are now, the amount of text about the genocide, compared to the smallish amount of other modern history text, gives the genocide undue weight. I am not proposing any text deletion; only a new article. Your thoughts? Thanks Hmains (talk) 02:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
1) Trabzon was controlled by the Russians between April 1916 and October 1917, i.e. during most of the deportations.
2) The Russian Navy dominated the Black Sea and literally "blockaded" the Turkish ports such as Sinop and Trabzon, so the stories of "boats dumping Armenians into the Black Sea" aren't very realistic to me. Nobody would dare to venture into the Black Sea under heavy Russian presence, when it would be much simpler to kill the Armenians on land, instantly.
Asparagas (talk) 23:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I hope you like it. :) -F.Mehmet (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Some users insist on deleting the sourced info I add. Here are some sources on Colchis you might be interested.
Moſt ancient Kingdoms, from the creation of the world, for the Space of five thouſand years.
.....We may alſo nearly fix the age of Seſoſtriſ from his expedition againſt the Scythians and Thracians, and founding the kingdom of Colchis near Pontus along the river Phaſis. The account of Herodotus is "that Seſoſtris having ſubdued the Scythians and Thracians in his Return homeward, when he came to the river Phaſis he either left a Part of his army to people that country, or else a Body of his Soldiers who were weary with their expeditions, choſe to ſettle there.....
It is undoubtedly a fact that Colchis are of Egyptian descent
Ivan Van Sertima, Runoko Rashidi EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION IN COLCHIS ON THE BLACK SEA RA Jairazbhoy The Greek historian Herodotus makes extraordinary assertions about Colchis on the eastern shores of the Black Sea, the same where Jason sailed with the Argonauts. ...
"...That the Colchi were Egyptians Herodotus makes no doubt; and adds, that the Colchi remembered more of the Egyptians than the Egyptians did of them ; who, notwithstanding, thought they were a Part of the Army of Sejojlris...." -F.Mehmet (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Still makes no sense why Colchis and Egypt is related to Pontus or Trapzon. Books such as Black Athena series can't be qualified as rs, same stuff in 18th century works. Also the fact that Herodotus claimed something doesn't mean that this is approved today (he also claimed that the earth is flat surrounded by Ocean).Alexikoua (talk) 09:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Is the list of notable natives? It doesn't appear to be alphabetical. Is it chronological according to their year of birth or death or something? I don't want to "fix" it by putting it into alphabetical order if there it's in some sort of order already but I don't see it myself.
Also - is there an English demonym for people from Trabzon? Trabzonians? Luzzy fogic (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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Does anyone have a citation to support this sentence in the History/Ancient and Medieval section?: "It was also ruled by Danishmendids between 1080 and 1098." It isn't that I disbelieve it, but I have seen the opposite said elsewhere (that the port city remained Byzantine while the Danishmendids controlled most of the surrounding area) and I think we should find an authoritative published source to support or refute it. TheCormac (talk) 01:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
This area was one of a sizable Greek, as well as Armenian community. It left under force in the early 1920s. How did this evade representation in the article?Dogru144 (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Until last year, the name of both the city and the province were Trabzon. After the province has become a metropolitan municipality, they changed the name of the city to Ortahisar (no change in the name of the province). Bulgu (talk) 22:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
My edit was reverted referring to the Turkish wikipedia articles, but this page for a Turkish city has no associated Turkish version at the moment (actually it should have, which is tr:Ortahisar). Trabzon Province does, and rightfully so. No name change etc. happened to the province, but the official name of the central ilçe, the 'capital' of the province (as mentioned on the article Trabzon Province), is changed to Ortahisar (which is also mentioned on the Trabzon Province page). The change is only recent, and it is not adapted much by the world, not even by Turks (I don't know if it ever will be). Therefore, the name of the of the article should stay Trabzon. My reverted edit (or an improved version) should stay. The capital city of almost every Turkish province has the same name with the province. Trabzon is the fourth exception (among 81 provinces), as far as I know, the others being Sakarya Province, Kocaeli Province, and Hatay Province. Bulgu (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
It is a joke. You can't rename a city that has had the same name for thousands of years. There are dozens of local versions of the name as well in many European and Middle-Eastern languages. In Italy and Greece they even still call it Trebisonda and Trapezounta after nearly a century. Trabzon is the English name for the city, and it will remain that way, because there is a lot of history and literature connected with it. Maybe the AKP does not like this history.NeoRetro (talk) 09:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
In my opinion, the current placement of images is displeasing to the eyes, especially with so many images present, with so many zigzags, and some squeezed text. I believe, we should move the gallery and the large image below, and keep all the other images (except maybe one) in the right side, preferably with similar width. Let's make this article more reader-friendly. Maybe, we should also check the mobile version. Bulgu (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
At present the opening paragraph calls the city by the name "Trebizond" twice without having first explained that that is the historical English name of the city. There is a link to the later "Names" section of the article, but I'd say that's not good enough; I'd recommend starting the article "Trabzon (historically known in English as Trebizond) is...." Not to make this explicit is, in my view, to do a disservice to the reader. For comparison, see the article on Istanbul, which begins, "Istanbul, historically known as Constantinople and Byzantium...." 206.208.104.20 (talk) 14:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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Servet-i-Funun has an iamge of old Trebizond that may be good for the Commons? https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/173/PFSIF9180228A053%20(1918-02-28).jpg WhisperToMe (talk) 04:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I cannot verify independently that Trebizond ever lay on any of the main silk road routes. In fact, the cited source only says that [f]rom Maçka the transit road climbs steeply to the Zigana Pass, following the trajectory of the ancient Silk Route to Erzurum and beyond.
Unless someone else can add a resource to that effect, I suggest removing the phrasing referring to the Silk Road, or maybe even the entire reference for violating WP:RS? Konanen (talk) 19:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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