Talk:Superman/Archive 8

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

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add missing word "to" by changing "and he decided use his powers to fight crime" to "and he decided to use his powers to fight crime" HendrikSt (talk) 19:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Cannolis (talk) 20:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Fictional character biography Missing

How come this article doesn't have a Fictional character biography like Batman or Wonder Woman or many other comic book characters?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman#Fictional_character_biography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman#Fictional_character_biography 173.66.8.230 (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

To avoid fancruft. It used to have one but I deleted it. Kurzon (talk) 20:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Why isn't Martha listed as a parent 2607:FB91:168A:632C:7DA0:FA33:F8C7:D4F5 (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Frome the lede: He was found and adopted by farmers Jonathan and Martha Kent, who named him Clark Kent. DonQuixote (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Quickrunfast

@Quickrunfast: Superman wasn't much inspired by Jewish mythology. I read every interview with Siegel and Shuster I could find and they never went into Jewish mythology, and they were quite open about their creative process. Also, the persecution of Jews in Germany didn't inspire any specific aspect of Superman. Kurzon (talk) 14:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Respectfully, there's been quite a few books that were dedicated to the topic and the quote that I cite is real and says just that. The updated also removed the myth of Superman as Ubermensch (since that was lex Luther). Quickrunfast (talk) 22:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, sometimes people forget that the "Old Testament" is Jewish — so there's the Moses story origin myth, Samson strength, "kal-el," and the later Jewish myth of Golem. Quickrunfast (talk) 02:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@Quickrunfast: When I researched for this article a few years ago, I was very interested in this very topic and looked hard for hard evidence and didn't find any. All I could find to support it was speculative stuff by writers who were arguing from circumstantial evidence. Simcha Weinstein was one of these. He's a rabbi and I suspect he was trying to make Judaism look cool by arguing Superman is Jewish. He pointed out circumstantial things such as the similarities with the Moses myth and the name Kal-El possibly being Hebrew. But I wanted hard evidence, namely something Siegel or Shuster said in an interview, and I didn't find any. What's more, Siegel and Shuster weren't practicing Jews. They both married Christian women. When I emailed Simcha Weinstein for comment, he just brushed me off, he didn't want to argue with me.

Simply citing a book is not enough to validate a claim. You can find a citation to support anything if you're not discerning. In fact, I found citation to refute the Judaism connection: in Les Daniels' 1998 book, he wrote:

"There are parallel stories in many cultures, but what is significant is that Siegel, working in the generally patronized medium of the comics, had created a secular American messiah. Nothing of the kind was consciously on his mind, apparently: his explanation for dropping Superman down from the sky was that "it just happened that way."And Shuster echoed him: "We just thought it was a good idea."

See what I mean? Kurzon (talk) 12:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Again, I did cite an article that contained a quote from one of the *creators of Superman*.

Suspecting that one author is trying to make look "Jews look cool" is unsupported and (essentially) an ad hominem attack based on the authors identity. Even if we suppose you are true, it still does not invalidate what the creators have said — surely they are the authority on the subject of their creation, right.

If you have have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to add. Quickrunfast (talk) 14:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)