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Despite the fact that some fine artists painted and sculpted masterpieces of architecture and the human and animal form, it seems that no truly representative drawings of ships seems to have survived. Most surviving pictures or engravings are apparently greatly out of scale, although like maps of that period, they were greatly decorated with drawings of real and imagined sea monsters, leaving the nautical historian very little to work with.
How does this work? I have seen some Medieval pictures of ships, and they were horribly distorted, with the crew greatly enlarged relative to the size of the ship - in short, like Medieval pictures in general, where importance is indicated by size. On the other hand, the Greek and Roman pictures found on pots and reliefs seem to be fairly realistic, and sizes are not nearly so problematic. Since these images also lack sea monsters, am I to take it that the above passage wasn't considering this era?
There should be enough Greek and Roman pictures to counter the most. I was under the impression that the controversy over triremes stemmed almost entirely from a reluctance to believe in stacked oars, and that once the Olympias established the possibility, the controversy over whether they were used dried up. The larger galleys are still confusing, but they were cataphract, so the rowers shouldn't show up in the images anyways - though I'll agree the images aren't nearly as helpful as they should be in such matters. Btw, POV is fine in talk pages, and saying that Medieval pictures of ships suck is very close to an objective assessment.
There's one class of 'model ship' I miss here: the miniature ship model used in wargaming, like models of soldiers or vehicles that are used in table-top games. These ships are made of metal (pewter) and some assembly is required before painting them, but less than the wooden ship models in the article. Shouldn't there be a section for these ships? mover 23:55, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
In case anybody is wondering, I moved to "ship model" because that is more common according to Google; also "model ship" potentially refers to a totally well-behaved crew (admittedly a hypothetical construct :-) ). Stan 17:24, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Stan, please stop trying to change references to model ships until there is consensus. That is just completely irresponsible, considering my main point above is that more articles point to model ships Refering to these edits and more. -- Netoholic 06:27, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've been looking at the recent changes; looks good. RK 14:27, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, some good changes! I've never liked the whole scaling bit, since it has little to do with ships specifically, and looks somewhat out of place to boot - perhaps it would be better at Scale modelling? Stan 14:40, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I removed the Italian Ship Model Shop as a purely commercial link with no education value. I am inclined to remove the Model Expo Link for the same reason. I am using this policy page as my guide: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:EL) I would like to hear other user's opinions on this SeaPhoto 12:28, 10 June 2006
I think the Model Expo link is a good one, since their product pages also contain a history of the ships they sell, and they are one of very few manufacturers of ship models in the United States-rfin39
My concern with commercial links is that they will proliferate. Unless someone has an objection, I intend to follow the WP guidelines and remove links to commercial sites unless they offer extraordinarily useful information. Wikipedia is not a collection of links. Seaphoto 15:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
One of the main outlines within the wikipedia guidlines on external links is to not add a website if you own it yourself. I see from your user page Seaphoto that your own website is listed as an external link here. Did you add this link yourself?--Modelbell 21:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
It is not a commercial link, but if you feel it should be removed - I would ask you to view the site first - then go ahead. I posted the site early in my WP editing process. Seaphoto 18:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
After reading the guidelines, I removed the link myself. Seaphoto 23:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the Model Expo link should be put back on, since there are two links to commercial sites for plastic models on there - Steel Navy and ModelWarships.com.
Steel Navy and Model Warships are not primarily commercial sites, since they don't sell anything, but do have banner type advertising on them. My sense is that they convey a lot of useful information, but if you feel strongly, remove them. Model Expo is a strictly commercial site, which violates WP guidelines for links Seaphoto 00:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 20:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed that a very large percentage of television shows and movies that show the insides of "homes" have a model ship of some sort in the background, usually on a mantle, desk or other main point shelf. These models can be clearly seen on the screen, it's not like you have to look for them. I was just wondering if anyone knew what this represented or who I could consult to find out. THANKS!
For consistency, either wooden ship models should be merged into this article or the section on plastic model ships should be moved to its own article, whichever the editors of this articles prefer; I don't see an overwhelming case for either.
Also, I've changed model yacht to point to this article on the grounds that it could be referring to any model of a yacht (although yachts used in model yachting are most commonly referred to). Partly because of this, it would be a really good idea to have a section in this article on model yachting with a template:main section hatnote pointing to model yachting, a summary of model yachting and something on the differences between a normal model (e.g.: in construction) and one that can sail. References to models that can sail could also be made throughout this article (e.g.: in the history section). If it is easy for a user to see a model yachting section in the contents to this article, it is probably unnecessary to add a disambiguating hatnote to this article pointing back to model yachting.
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 06:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I have put Live steam model ships here because neither Model yachting nor Radio-controlled boat is appropriate. Biscuittin (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
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