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This sentence sounds more complicated compared to what it appears to be saying: Moreover, common mnemonics for the symptomatology of organophosphate poisoning, including sarin gas, are the "killer B's" of bronchorrhea and bronchospasm ...
Was it copied from the Emergency Medicine News reference?
Could someone knowledgeable simplify it? For example, Sarin gas also causes the same "killer B's" symptoms as other organophosphate poisons: bronchorrhea and bronchospasm ...
The sentence continues with "because they are the leading cause of death..." -- I think that makes it too long, tries to say too much.
--Stephanwehner (talk) 15:50, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I removed "under the mistaken impression that the Allies had stockpiled similar weapons." This seems to me to be pure opinion. If I'm wrong give serious references.
So when is the synthesis going to put on this page?
Ericd 18:23 Sep 14, 2002 (UTC)
Did the US use sarin in the Vietnam War? I seem to recall having heard something along those lines. Does anyone know for sure?
The bit at the end about the US gassing their own troops doesn't seem relevant at all. Did they gas their own troops with Sarin? It doesn't say so... --Prisonblues 14:24, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Since we apparently just had a sarin shell explode in Iraq, the question of sarin shelf life just got new urgency. TM Lutas
I found some info at the following link regarding sarin: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31228 (I'm not sure of this site's credibility).
According to Peter Zimmerman, former Chief Scientist of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in the documentary film "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War":
"Any sarin that they [the Iraqis] were making in 1990-91 had a known shelf life of about two months. I have confirmed this with the inspectors and analysts who were deeply involved in the 1990s analyses. If you made it twelve years ago, and it had a shelf life of two months, it may not be safe to drink, but it isn't sarin nerve gas any longer. And there's no way the agency [CIA?] could not have known that."
I de-capitalized most of the uses of the nerve agents in this article (but not in the quoted section; I didn't know if that capitalization was the author's or not); all reputable media references I could find used lower-casing, which seems right because "sarin" and "tabun" are not brand names in the commercial sense.
I also attempted to answer the shelf-life question, which is alot more complicated than I had originally anticipated.
ClockworkTroll 15:03, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I made several changes, but I'm short on time and still want to do more:
ClockworkTroll 16:13, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Several changes:
ClockworkTroll 20:09, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
What kind of shelf life does sarin have? I've heard that it has a usuable shelf life of only two months, in the context of arguments that even if Iraq had sarin stockpiles in the past, they would be useless now. PST
What does a "Specific Gravity 1.0887 at 25 °C" mean here? Does it mean that the density of sarin at 25 °C is compared to
Gene Nygaard 15:39, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The chemical structure as pictured in the article doesn't resemble the one on the Dutch page. Since I am not a chemist, can someone else take a look at it?
Wereldburger758 11:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
UN Security Council Resolution 687 is a resolution welcoming the restoration of the independence of Kuwait, not about declaring sarin as a WOMD. Someone should give the correct resolution number. --Abdull 19:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just thought that this may be of interest to any active editors. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=287260 Iciac (talk) 00:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
"Its low vapor pressure (2.9 mmHg at 20 °C) makes it relatively ineffective as a terrorist inhalation weapon."
With respect to the vapor pressure given (2.9 mm Hg at 25°C in article vs. 2.2 mm Hg at 25°C in my source quoted), and with respect to moderate difference (~32%) to reference available to me at the moment (ISBN 3777306088, Klimmek, R. et al.: Chemische Gifte und Kampfstoffe, Hippokrates Verlag, Stuttgart, 1983), the volatility of GB given there is 12.5 mg/L air at 20°C and 16.8 mg/L air at 25°C at full saturation and 100 kPa atm. pressure. Now, considering that the agent dispersed would create only a fraction of it's saturated vapor pressure in the surrounding atmosphere (that would be 16,800 mg/m³ at full saturation!), I dare to speculate, that, especially in a (quasi) closed room such as an interior of a building, or worse, its in-let ventilation system, concentrations of GB vapor achievable, given enough agent is dispersed, would be at least severly harmful, if not fatal. I might also point out, that in the 1995 Tokio subway attacks, only relatively small amouths of diluted (20 - 30%) GB were dispersed simply by rupturing bags containing it, nevertheless causing thousands of injuries and 12 casualties. As far as I know, GB is also the most volatile nerve agent known at the time and was considered rather an "respiratory nerve agent" (in contrast to e.g. GA or VX, which are rather/primarily "skin resorptive" nerve agents). So, is it really "relatively ineffective as a terrorist inhalation weapon"?--Spiperon (talk) 21:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
The photo should be deleted, because there is no evidence that the Photo shows an actual chemical-warhead. The Clusterbomb in the warhead looklike conventional BLU-61A-B. Does some one have any evidence which suports the claim that this picture shows what the Picture-text sugests. Besides in the libary of congres photo database is no photo of a MGR-1 Honest John missile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.128.194 (talk) 02:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Please remove that crap about Layman. It shouldn't be in an ecyclopaedia. 79.133.228.177 (talk) 21:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
This cliam, although widely reported in 2008 originates from a single spurce, channel 9, and was not corroborated b any other spurce. All reports simply quote the channel 9 report. I'm a little uneasy with such a significant claim only being made by a single source and question whether it should be included. Per policy auch a serious claim should have more than a single refernce (refs simply reporting channel 9's claim would not count, there needs to be additional spurces verifying this). 108.172.114.141 (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Says "... there is concrete suspicion that the agent was used by rebel forces."
What exactly is "concrete suspicion"? There is suspicion; there is concrete evidence; "concrete suspicion" doesn't seem to make sense. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
what of the use of sarin in the assassination of kim jung un's brother in kuala lumpur?
Its mechanism of action resembles that of some commonly used insecticides, such as malathion. In terms of biological activity, it resembles carbamate insecticides such as sevin and medicines pyridostigmine, neostigmine, and physostigmine. Like other nerve agents, sarin attacks the nervous system.
Specifically, sarin is a potent inhibitor of the enzyme cholinesterase.[5] Sarin acts on cholinesterase by forming a covalent bond with the particular serine residue at the active site. Fluoride is the leaving group, and the resulting phosphoester is robust but biologically inactive.[6][7] With the enzyme inhibited, acetylcholine builds up in the synapse and continues to act so that any nerve impulses are, in effect, continually transmitted. Normally, the acetylcholinesterase breaks down the acetylcholine in the synaptic cleft in order to allow the effector muscle or organ to relax.
This section is incomprehensible and absurdly difficult to understand. Is this page written for chemists? Maybe we need another Wikipedia to explain all the science articles. This is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.99.236.10 (talk) 22:11, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Even with a biological background, this section is dubious, and its written in a way that makes it quite hard to follow. I've tried to clean it up a bit, given a basic explanation of the role of acetylcholine at neuro-muscular junctions in the hope it makes it clear why the inhibition of acetylcholinesterase is a bad thing. Also separated the biochemistry from the biology to try and make the explanations clearer. Not sure to what extent I've succeeded, and I guess it may need some more references Jasonisme (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
2012: Syria was thought by the United States to have sarin gas mixed to be used as weapons.[26] 2013: The United Nations has investigated reports that the Syrian Government in the Syrian civil war has used sarin,[27][28][29] use of the gas has been confirmed by French officials. According to French officials,[30] the gas has been used by the Syrian Government .[31][32]
There entries are rumour and innuendo, equivalent rumour and innuendo about the US proxy opposition has been suppressed. Either these entries should be removed or other participants' "thoughts" should be included. Examples: http://rt.com/news/damascus-syria-chemical-weapons-082/ (Syrian rebels' Damascus chemical cache found by Assad army - State TV) http://rt.com/news/russia-syria-chemical-attack-801/ (Russia suggests Syria ‘chemical attack’ was ‘planned provocation’ by rebels) If the "thoughts" of "French officials" are good enough, the "thoughts" of the officials of other states should have equal status.Keith-264 (talk) 06:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
The article says that sarin is chiral. Are the pictures of L-sarin or D-sarin? --Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty | Averted crashes 13:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
In his 2005 book How Mushrooms Can Help Save the World; Mycologist Paul Stamets states certain classified species of mushrooms can bio-remediate Sarin; a statement he made previously in the magazine Whole Earth, which has been called a precursor to Wikipedia by Steve Jobs. Here it is an acceptable reference according to the UNC Institute for the environment. http://www.ie.unc.edu/for_students/courses/capstone/09/owasa_final_report.pdf Although this is not a peer reviewed journal it was published by a university; would this information be appropriate to add to this article? CensoredScribe (talk) 14:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Zad68
18:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)My apologies; I merely skimmed that paper and did not see it was written by students; I was being lazy. I presume those students grades for the project were lowered for using such a poor resource or else undergraduate college classes in America have jaw dropping low standards. I've removed any references to the students paper on the page for mycoremediation. Now as it would appear that there absolutely no references to bioremediation of sarin and VX that can be found on google; shouldn't this claim; which currently displayed on mycoremediation just be deleted? Right now it just says citation needed. Why is citation needed even a tag? Thank you for calling me out on getting unacceptably sloppy and for mentioning the WP:RSN; I was wondering where to take my questions on highly questionable resources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CensoredScribe (talk • contribs)
Zad68
19:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)I removed
from Sarin#Use as a weapon, which is not supported by the only cite following it in the section. (Given the possibility of careless editing before or after that contrib, it may be based on one of the earlier citations in the same sentence.) I typed, and intended to save here my view "but it is nonsense in any case." By now, i doubt bronchorrhea is a wound, and i want to see what those other citations may have said.
I do think chlorine (an obsolete war gas) directly produces, and for its lethality relies on, internal wounds in the lungs, and if i am right abt that, there's a question of whether anyone who would point out a lack of external wounds could be making a relevant and informed observation. More to come after further research on the history, the sources, and other facts.
--Jerzy•t 22:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
If there were no WMDs in Iraq's arsenal, where did the Iraqi insurgents get a Serin gas shell to use on US soldiers? This seems contradictory. Either this article is wrong, or the "No WMD" information in several other articles are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redwood Elf (talk • contribs) 13:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Did you say a Saran gas shell? Cause that thing isn't stable. DudeWithAFeud (talk) 01:56, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please see https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2015/12/22/wikipedia-page-on-sarin/. I have never edited the Sarin article, but it appears that it may be possible to check some of this author's complaints against reliable sources. The author of this post is Dan Kaszeta, who reports working with chemical weapons in the military and consulting on CBRN defense. The opinions of Kaszeta are mentioned in our article on the Ghouta chemical attack. EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I just noticed in the article that it states "Estimates for total sarin production by Nazi Germany range from 500 kg to 10 tons.", however I was recently reading through some things about this and this website , says that "By 1945, the Germans had 7,000 tons of Sarin alone – enough to kill the occupants of 30 cities the size of Paris." Now I don't know if this website is accurate or not, but perhaps someone should investigate the true amount (especially as the figure given in the article is uncited also). --Hibernian (talk) 20:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
1.144.96.71 (talk) 22:31, 6 April 2017 (UTC) Is it possible that the German figures included the organophosphates intended for use as insecticide for crops. Hitler campaigned against the use of gas before WW2 (and also against aerial bombing of civilians)and never used gas during WW2 (Churchill advocated for the use of gas). Hitler was temporarily blinded by gas during WW1).
Is it possible that the present accusation, that Syria recently used Sarin gas could actually be due to a stockpile of organophosphate insecticide being sprayed over a suburb? One could imagine insurgents in an agricultural warehouse in Syria using ammonium nitrate fertilisers for bomb-making whilst a pallet of liquid organophosphate insecticide stood nearby. The air strike against the insurgents could have inadvertently led to the supposed chemical attack.
Would Dr Assad risk having the world as his enemy about one year after inspectors seized his chemical munitions? The Russians state that they did not drop chemical bombs and that these were on the ground, held by Assad's opponents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.144.96.71 (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
This page appears to be targeted by people attempting to edit the line about the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack. The edits try to change the line from a neutral tone, "sarin gas was allegedly released in rebel-held Idlib Province in Syria during a Syrian army airstrike." To a pro-Syria tone, claiming the gas was being stored by rebels. There is no reason to edit this line in that way, the reason and perpetrators of the attack are not definitely known. Please keep an eye on that line and the entire article to try to prevent changes that shift from a neutral tone to a political message supporting one side or another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balthusdire (talk • contribs) 09:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The link to the cdc "Facts about Sarin" in references 28 and 32, http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp, is incorrect. It should be the same as the CDC Sarin fact sheet under External links, https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Secondwire (talk • contribs) 17:55, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Is Sarin identical with undiluted organophosphate insecticide? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.110.97 (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
This article says Tokyo subway sarin attack have 12 deaths and 6200+ injuries, but that main article says 14 deaths and ~1050 injuries. What is the correct number? --Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 03:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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