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This article begins by stating their stage names and then "The name of the group is an alphabetism derived from the first letter of each member's name." However this is contradicted later when it is revealed that these are not their real names, but names that were drafted in order to fit the name S.H.E. that had already been decided. So, in actuality the names of members are an "alphabetism" derived from the letters of the group name, not the other way around.Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Are you listing S.H.E. on VFD or not? Because if you're not, you need to remove the deletion notice and get an admin to delete the VFD page for the entry. --Lowellian 01:43, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Well...hold on. First, it's extremely unlikely that if you list this page on VFD, it will actually get deleted, and second, I will vote against the article being deleted if you list it. I'm not sure of your background, so you may not be aware that S.H.E. is a hugely popular band in East Asia (the equivalent of, say, Britney Spears in the United States), and they definitely deserve an article. We're not talking some obscure band operating out of a garage here; we're talking a group of singers with multi-million dollar contracts. Far more obscure bands than S.H.E. have survived VFD.
Having said that, it is your right to list the article on VFD if you want, so I can help you get it working properly if you insist on going ahead with it. --Lowellian 06:41, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC) (Oh, and by the way, I generally prefer people to post responses to my comments on my talk page, because it helps get my attention.)
If you think some of the content is non-encyclopedic, either edit the content or list it on Wikipedia:Cleanup by using the {{cleanup}} tag, but do not list it on VFD unless the article should not exist at all. I've removed the VFD tag and deleted the VFD page. --Lowellian 18:14, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Is that a crime? User:Themoliugecko 22:40, Mar 1, 2005
Ella is my cousin. Please include a picture as you did with the other girls. Also mention their commercial work for Coke and Blizzard Entertainment. Additionally, why the *&(^? is there a list of their family members?
Hmm.. hugely popular in East Asia. I don't think they are popular in South Korea and Japan? I think it only applies to Chinese speaking countries. mirageinred 01:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
If you have not aware, they have just attended a entrepreneur concert in Japan late last year which further proves that they are decently popular in Japan. EricOng 10:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we link this article with the Chinese version? User:Themoliugecko
I have tagged this article for tone cleanup; I feel that it reads more like a fan bio on the group than an encyclopaedic entry. The Jade Knight 09:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, the bio was actually provided by the company themselves. Trenzterra 23:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Our current text mentions that GEO of Sweetbox wrote some of the S.H.E songs and then later performed them with his own band (essentially covering his own work). While I could believe this, it would be an unusual situation and I think we need a citation. What's the source?
The information is now sourced (and has been for a while). Thanks. -Pandacomics 12:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Something seems a bit fishy. "Give Me More" (Gei Wo Duo Yi Dian) is listed on the internet as the cover of Charlie's "There you go again" and is said to be composed by "Charlie Pennachio/Shaunna Bolton/Drew Sessa". However, I went on Charlie's site, and found the album that "There You Go Again" was on:
If all songs are written by Terry Thomas, then who are Pennachio, Bolton and Sessa? That, and is "There You Go Again" really the song that's being covered? -Pandacomics 00:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The "crying under the blankets part on its own can be omitted, but it gives the reader a background on how they stayed as a group instead of continually disputing, which is probably not the case considering they've lasted for more than a day. Sure, we can reword it to make it sound more neutral, like "Oh they got along afterwards", but by omitting that last bit, it gives the reader a sense that this group remains in constant turmoil, which it is not. -Pandacomics 20:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I am sick and tired of seeing people erase others' forums just so they can put up their own. This will only lead to unnecessary edit wars where people continually put up or put down names of forums. Unless something is proven to be an OFFICIAL S.H.E online entity (blog, website, whatever), then please refrain from putting it on the external links list. Exceptions will be given to translations of material proven to be written by S.H.E, e.g. the S.H.E Daybook, which is a direct translation of their blog on the HIM International website. By "proven" I mean by proving its legitimacy other than just textual evidence. Anyone can copy and paste text from an official site and put it up on another web portal e.g. myspace. Thank you for your understanding. If you have qualms with this, please discuss it here or on my talk page.
P.S. Referring to Wikipedia:External Links, Section 4: Links normally to be avoided,
"3. Links mainly intended to promote a website."
Under Section 4.1: Advertising and conflicts of interest,
"Due to the rising profile of Wikipedia and the amount of extra traffic it can bring a site, there is a great temptation to use Wikipedia to advertise or promote links. This includes both commercial and non-commercial sites. You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it. This is in line with the conflict of interests guidelines." -Pandacomics 08:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Great to see initiative taken by user Pandacomics for all these articles and references. EricOng 10:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I want to put in their soundtrack contributions, but if I extend the album section further, it will be a lengthy, unattractive read. What do people think about:
Please comment. -Pandacomics 04:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, any article can get a peer-review, close or far away to FA status.
The images are certainly pushing fair use, with the amount of fair use images used in this it will never be an FA, I suggest a peer-review. M3tal H3ad 07:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Anyone have any ideas for adding pictures to the otherwise text-only biography section? I've tossed around the idea of just sticking album covers, but that doesn't do their biography justice, really. Other ideas? -Pandacomics 10:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
It could be great to put in some of their achievements pictures. I absolutely agree with this. EricOng 16:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I think some of you will remember the incident that the picture depicts. -Pandacomics 11:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The major tour kicks off in Taipei and ended in The Arena of Stars, Genting Highland, Malaysia. Bukit Jalil Stadium, Kuala Lumpur was their third stop. EricOng 10:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Well then you fix it, Mr. "I actually live in Penang". haha. -Pandacomics 11:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thats funny, Mr. Competitive Eater. :P EricOng 09:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
See if you can find the actual articles from this forum thread. Might possibly be useful for the wiki. -Pandacomics 05:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I would personally prefer the Eras format over the year format. Just my humble opinion. EricOng 08:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
How would we split the eras then? Girls Dorm is an obvious one, but do we put GD with Youth Society, or Youth Society with Genesis?
Here's my splitting:
1. GD + YS
2. Mei Li Xin Shi Jie + Together + Super Star
3. Qi Huan Lü Cheng + Encore
4. BXZD + Forever
Or you could pile BXZD with the 2004 albums. I don't know. Your thoughts? -Pandacomics 12:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Pile BXZD with the 2004 albums? I thought BXZD was released at 2005? EricOng 01:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but it's the only album in 2005, and it wouldn't make sense to put BXZD as its own era (because that would make Forever its own era, which it isn't, really.) -Pandacomics 02:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
There have been less to write about of their album since S.H.E moved to release an album a year which I deem appropriate. Very well, I guess we'll just stick with the year-by-year format then until there are better suggestions. EricOng 08:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Could we just move all S.H.E's pictorial books to a sub-page like S.H.E's cover songs, endorsements and discography? I find it messy this way, no? --EricOng 08:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The books are a tad messy, but I guess we can just use an image-free wikitable like what we did with "drama series" -Pandacomics 20:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to move these, because I found this article that gives a pretty detailed account of the competition, and it's going to be ridiculously long if I include all three members' experiences together. I was thinking more along the lines of just putting in what songs they sang to go to the next round. -Pandacomics 20:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
What do you guys think of combining "Discography" and "Cover Songs" to form one "Musical Style" section? We can probably insert some stuff on Lyrical Style as well, if anyone can dig up information on that, Chinese or English. -Pandacomics 14:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Anyone in favour of moving the awards section to an article such as "List of S.H.E awards" ? - Pandacomics 14:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In the critism part, it says that "Chen Mingzhen accused S.H.E of stealing one of his songs, "Thinking of Your Moment" (想你的瞬間), to produce "Ocean of Love" (愛情的海洋)" First, Chen Ming Zhen is a female singer (I think she's was an actress, and made an album). Second, S.H.E was not accused of stealing, instead, it was a conincident that the two companies covered the same song by Sweetbox. Although Chen Ming Zhen covered the song first, she released it after S.H.E released as one of their title song in their album. The female solo singer never composed the song. (This is also stated in your reference site)Willyly 05:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. Since it isn't criticism, I'm just going to throw the information onto the Genesis album page (The main article is long enough already). - Pandacomics 07:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
"Another group that formed around the same time was ASOS, which consisted of two sisters, Barbie and Dee Hsu. The duo would release only one album before going on to host numerous variety shows on a full-time basis." ASOS was definitely not formed around the same time as when S.H.E came out. They have been out for many years now, famous for their song 十分鐘的戀愛. S.H.E sang this song at one of the Golden Melody Awards, part of a medley of classic Taiwan girl group songs. They have also been host for many years prior to 2001. They came out in the year of 1994. (http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question/question?qid=1305091305150) Willyly 05:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Yay...someone else other than me on this page. Ok, question then. Do we count S.H.E's predecessors as well or just their contemporaries? Because ASOS didn't do too well in the 21st century. - Pandacomics 07:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The removal of the Girls Dormitory section is temporary until someone offers to provide information from the Jiaozi book listed at the bottom of the article, or from another similar source that describes S.H.E's experience in the dorm. Also, I'm temporarily removing Humanitarian Work because there is only one sentence to support this seemingly "major" section i.e. two equal signs. Until 1) we decide where to put it (musical career? influence?), 2) we find more information on the trip, we'll put the introduction here:
- Pandacomics 00:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Very impressively in-depth and well referenced. One thing that did confuse me was the "Covers" section though. The statement "S.H.E has quite a number of cover songs" left me confused as to if they have covered a number a songs, or if a number of their songs had been covered by other people. Probably should be reworded a bit. Otherwise, the article looks great. There may be a few more minor issues here and there (such as that unfree image at the top) as I didn't get too in-depth, but it would be unfair to hold the article back from GA status over little things. I pass it. Congrats.--SeizureDog 10:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It should be S.H.E. - It's an abbreviation, so should be punctuated or plain, as in F.B.I./FBI . If that's their name and they like it that way, then I can't disagree... andreasegde 11:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
If you take a look at the notes section at the bottom, if "Taiwan" is used in a non-political sense (as will be the case in much of this article), Taiwan is the "music industry in the area known commonly as Taiwan". China is "the music industry located on mainland China," while Hong Kong is "the music industry in Hong Kong."
It has nothing to do with politics unless otherwise stated. - Pandacomics 19:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
We're trying to put free images (i.e. images taken by people on their digital cameras or otherwise) as profile pics, not promotional pics. I repeat, NOT promotional pics. Free images would include pictures that you took at concerts or autograph sessions. Please stop trying to upload pictures you found on Google. Thanks. - Pandacomics 16:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, personally I think it's worth noting that they made their debut on a rather solemn day, because debut albums are usually make-or-break. And the fact that they are still around despite 9-11 is quite something. But yeah, discuss before we decide on 1) keeping it off, 2) putting it back up. - Pandacomics 17:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
If I'm not wrong, the opening violin motif of S.H.E.'s song "Don't Wanna Grow Up" is a direct copy of some famous composer's (possibly Mozart or Beethoven) symphony in a minor key. Does anyone have any information of this? --121.6.64.153 11:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me why this article is part of wpchina?--Jerry 19:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Would the proper way to say their name be she or S-H-E?
Nevermind, I watched some clips from award shows and the announcers said S-H-E.
67.81.82.118 (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
For me, the article is showing up very strangely. Everything before the "Musical style" section displays properly, as does the "Musical style" header and the "See also: S.H.E discography" part. Then everything else that comes afterwards, including the remaining text, images, references, external links and infobox, are bunched up to the right in the "Audio samples of S.H.E songs" sample box. Does anyone else see this? It happened in both Firefox 3 and IE 7. I studied the article but could find no causes and no way to fix it. Bhamv (talk) 10:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed this article, unlike Jay Chou, has not been up on the main page yet. I propose to nominate this for Main page on September 11 if it hasn't been up by then. The date's gonna be an awkward coincidence with the September 11 attacks, but I think it's a significant date for this article considering that was the release date of S.H.E's debut album. An alternative date would be August 12, when all three members entered the Universal Talent and Beauty Girl Contest. I can already see this receiving 5 points or more for the nomination. Arsonal (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
August now. We've got a few days before we can nominate this since it could worth a crap load of points... Let me know if this blurb works for you.
5 points: (1) Article was promoted between one and two years ago (December 7, 2007). (1) Date relevant to article topic, as S.H.E released its debut album on September 11, 2001. (1) The requestor, myself, has never had an article featured on the main page before and is a top 5 contributor. (2) The last FA article related to Chinese-language entertainment, Jackie Chan, appeared on September 12, 2008. Arsonal (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
(cross-posting my reply to Arsonal from their talk page) You can nominate it when a) there's less than 5 nominations on WP:TFAR or b) when this article has more points than an article already on the requests page. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
nobody cares about this band outside of Taiwan. This page has almost as many words as the page for William Shakespeare. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.166.219.74 (talk) 11:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Use of this image in this article is not justified per the non-free content criteria. The image itself is not discussed in the article and an image is not necessary to illustrate anything here that cannot be explained through text alone; the album's cover artwork is not discussed in the article (the closest the article comes is mentioning that all the albums have a clover on them, but that is already illustrated with another image and there's no need to choose this one album for it), and the text next to the image only discusses the album's sales, for which no picture of the album is necessary.
I removed the image, but was quickly reverted, so am starting a 'discussion' here. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. While reading the article, the first thing I've noticed is that the intro is not long enough to summarize the entire content. My second concern is that the majority of the references are not accessible (dead links). There are also some issues with the prose, mainly some aberrations like Oct. 22, or not attributing some authors in the criticism section. The audios are in sound quality way above the required level and don't feature properly filled rationales.--Retrohead (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
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