Talk:Rau Le Creuset

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This article suffers from inconsistencies and awkward phrasing. The tense changes throughout, often within a single sentence, from past to present. A single tense should be chosen and used throughout the overall account of the story, and should only change if it serves to distinguish between the account and other notes about the setting or whatnot.--Lord Shitzu 13:38, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Okay. Seriously. There's no proof that he's French-Canadian.

Spelling of name

I removed the section added by an anon arguing about the "proper" translation of the name. I'm a huge anime purist myself but the name "Raww" is in not any form official or widely used, outside of some stubborn fans on the GundamOfficial forums. Same thing with "Mwu" instead of "Mu," I don't know where these even came from, I assume some fansub that chose to use them inexplicably. Literal transliteration is Rau Ru Kuruuze (or Muu Ra Furaga in Mu's case), which is damn close to the official english name. If the name was changed significantly in the dub/sub (like Usagi --> Serena) I could see having a section on etymology, but as it stands, the paragraph was just one fan trying to push his preferred spelling.--Lord Shitzu 14:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

You are wrong.His name is Raww Le Klueze,not Rau Le Creuset.If you were to purchase the Master Grade ZGMF-X13A Providence Gundam model kit you would see his name spelled there as Raww,not Rau.Not that it's that important,just a detail.

No. I am not wrong. The spelling in one model kit means nothing, they can choose whatever spelling they want for their transliterations, but if it's wrong, it's wrong. this is the official Japanese list of ZAFT characters at the official Japanese website. There's his name written in Katakana, and a proper transliteration of ラウ・ル・クルーゼ would be Rau Ru Kruuze. Some of the r's could be l's if you prefer, but that's about it. And if you can't read Japanese, then you really have no argument at all.--Lord Shitzu 22:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I definitely think the proper translation of his name is Rau Le Creuset, but it's a matter of romanization from the Japanese hiragana/katakana that it was originally written in. It's said somewhere that his name derives from the French word for "the crucible" (thus Le Creuset, not Le Kleuze, which is how it may be romanized given that "l" and "r" are somewhat interchangable in the Japanese language since "l" doesn't exist). Also, I don't think a gundam model kit is good evidence for proof for this debate because I've seen model kits/toys that incorrectly name the product being sold when the name has been established in both Japanese and English.

Hmm. I can understand using "Rau Le Creuset" over "Raww Le Klueze" in general, But, from what i've seen, Raww Le Klueze is the japanese spelling. Couldn't one at least compromise and say that whilst "Raww Le Klueze" isn't the only spelling, It is relavent? Ace Class Shadow 10:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Realise this discussion is somewhat old but since it and other spellings seem to still cause issues I wanted to weigh in. The weigh I see it, we have to consider that the English spellings used in Japan are intended for a mostly non-English market. In that sense, much like how recent American shows have copied things from popular Japanese shows, it is mainly being done because it's seen as cool and trendy to tap into other cultures. If these spellings held real weight they'd just be used as is when the shows are brought over. But they're not, more credible English translations are officially created for markets where English IS the primary language. Whilst these original spellings deserve a mention, there's no point in throwing a hissy fit and saying "I don't like the official English names, therefore I'll ignore them and everyone else must to!". It's getting angry over a minor and fairly irrelevent issue. It's not like we're getting localised renames (eg Amuro Ray becoming Andrew Raymond or some such).--HellCat86 16:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Quotes/Notable Dialogue

I'd just like to let everyone know that the quotes and notable dialogue that I have written for this character and all other Cosmic Era characters, I copied verbatim from the English dub while I watched the episode, so do not change it unless you are correcting a typo or something, Thanks Dudeman74 00:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is it that the English dub is considered canon when it's clear the Gundam Franchise is clearly Japanese and therefore the Japanese version canonical? I'm referring to several quotations I tried to correct but wasn't allowed to because someone claimed since this is an english encyclopedia,the English dub should be used as reference. This pretty much means readers will be mislead into believing some characters said things they did not in fact utter,namely Rau Le Creuset in Phase 50 "終わらない明日へ" who clearly makes use of the word the expression "烽火と成る" which literally translates into "will become a/the beacon for new conflicts".Why am I not allowed(technically I am,but I don't want to start an edit war) to correct what is obviously a mistake? Also,in Phase 49 "終末の光" Creuset says "人の業（ごう）",which literally translates into Buddhist Karma.Therefore,Karma,instead of Destiny,should be used in said quotation. 213.22.57.101

But thats like saying, this page, "Rau Le Creuset" should instead be moved "Raww Le Klueze". Also, more people here are more familiar to the English dub due to the fact that this is a English encyclopedia so naturally, most people here are more used to the English dub since they are English speakers, and the Japanese translation would probably sound weird or strange to them. Plus, you have been the only person who has complained about this, and these dialogues have been here for quite some time, so just leave it as is so it doesn't cause problems. Thanks Dudeman74 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I am an English and Japanese speaker.The first time I watched Gundam Seed I could hardly bake a simple sentence in Japanese,but thanks to something called perseverance I managed to learn enough to spot the sort of non-sense American and European companies come up with when dubbing Japanese anime. Because this is an english encyclopaedia we should do our very best to provided readers the best possible translation of the original Japanese dialog. Why would the Japanese translation sound weird?It's pretty straightforward. Also,is it relevant I was the only person to complain about this?What's innacurate is inaccurate regardless of how many people say it's right.I know the dub is innacurate and probably so do you,so what's wrong with wanting to give readers the oportunity to enjoy what Fukada originally intended to convey the viewers?

But you see, mostly not everyone here who is a fan of Gundam knows right off the bat what a Japanese word directly translates to in English, how the heck are they supposed to know 'in Phase 49 "終末の光" Creuset says "人の業（ごう）",which literally translates into Buddhist Karma.Therefore,Karma' when they have the privilege of using the English version, which is much more familiar. Also, why change something when no one is having problems with it. And by the way, I know that most people consider the English version canon, here, at least since I am not the only person who submits notable dialogue and quotes, others do as well, and they are using the exact same dialogue from the English version, I know because I check, so unless a Gundam episode is not out in English yet, most people here at least, use the English dub as reference. Dudeman74 01:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

They needn't know!Otherwise translators would starve.Otherwise people such as myself would have nothing to do! From the moment there are people(hired by Bandai or not) willing to subtitle the show,there's no need to learn Japanese to understand the dialog. However,both fansubbers and Bandai made some mistakes along the way.It's only understandable.I can relate to that. The above mentioned quotation took me a long time to figure out.I first watched Phase 49 when it aired in Japan and though Creuset's words were ”人の応報” which means [divine] retribution.This because I had no idea what gou meant.This was untill I learned the Kanji for Buddhist Karma and it's reading.I then said to myself "Wait a second....I'm sure I've heard this word before" and then I realized where. I won't try to persuade you or any users because I see it's useless.I don't really wanna build up the english version of Wikipedia anyway.The Japanese version has much more work to be done.

Is he Dead?

Is he actually dead? I know the blast from GENESIS hit the Providence right on, but are they any actual sources that state he is KIA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.71 (talk • contribs) 03:33, August 2, 2006

Yes and yes. It's a largely accepted fact. Heck, they had to retcon Mu's "death" because it wasn't ambiguous enough. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 15:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

the article says that he was mortal wounded by kira beam saber and that is not true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E_cSWH2lEU&feature=related look at 4:31 and you will see that kira hit the gundam but not him —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.187.16 (talk) 00:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

 ??

Wouldn't he be Rey's twin brother?--Tempest115 02:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I think his unmasked appearance in GSD final PLUS may be pretty good in here. Anyone has one? 13:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Request of Updates of the Enlish Voices of Rau Le Creuset

Dear Fellow Wikipedia Users:

Why haven't I seen that Mr. Paul Dobson as the second English Voice of Rau Le Creuset, on his Character Page in Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny?

Could someone please fix it asap? Thanks, bye!

The Professional (talk) 21:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)Chao-Chen (Jack) Lin

Images?

Why are the images of places people being deleted all the time?I mean Rau,Gladys,Durandal,ect. Articles need images,not just characters,but locations too,I dont get why images are always being removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.175.243 (talk) 01:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)