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As an outsider to Wiki and Arabia expert, I find the comments to this article to contain a mixture of facts and polemic. Briefly, Wiki articles are not supposed to be a reflection of given faith or belief, but rather of fact. Special interest comments are evident. South-eastern Arabia also belongs to Arabia, but is not represented in the article. Azd0815 (talk) 07:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
How on earth have the "Ghaznavids" survived in this article this long?! Slackerlawstudent 17:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Per discussions in other venues, I set this article up as a stub. I'll fill in what I can, later, but would much appreciate help from other editors. Zora 02:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I changed the phrasing of the first sentence. It previously stated "Pre-Islamic Arabia (aka. Jahiliyyah) is the history of Arab people who lived in the Arabian Plate before the rise of Islam in the 630s." Arabia refers to an actual thing which existed in the world; while history is written on it, Arabia is not "the history of...". I also removed the reference to Jahiliyyah. It doesn't maintain an NPOV, since it's solely an Islamic conception of the era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaputa12 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Any idea when Pre-Islamic Arabia ends? Might be helpful before we start filling in the sections. As far as I can tell, there are several possible dates:
Palm_Dogg 03:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
We cannot describe Bedouin culture by talking about later Muslim
classifications of marriage forms. I removed the irrelevant material. There are useful discussions of Bedouin society in Watt (Muhammad at Mecca, Muhammad at Medina) and Donner (Early Islamic Conquests), probably in other books as well -- I just don't have them to hand.
I've just found a fascinating book, Arabia and the Arabs: From the Bronze Age to the Coming of Islam, Robert G. Hoyland; Routledge, 2001. It is based on the latest in archaeological research and it seems to be quite good. I'm reading it through my Questia account. So far, I'd enthusiasticly recommend it.
The Hawting book, overall, isn't that good. But the bibliography was useful. Zora 11:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I would like to recommend to those editing articles about Islam and pre-Islamic history to check out a book titled "The Quran" commentary by yusuf ali
Implicit in this page, others that refer to it, and a few other Wikipedia pages is the idea that "pre-Islam" equates to "before the prophet Muhammed" or before "the rise of Islam" (whatever that means). Most Muslims will agree that Islam is an ancient religion of which Muhammed was the last (and greatest) of prophets; in other words, Islam did not begin with the prophet Muhammed. This is important, because if care is not taken, this sloppiness of thinking leads to the great mistake amongst non-Muslims of calling Muhammed the "founder" of Islam (which can cause great offence). --The Lesser Merlin 14:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Their is nothing worth mentionning in Ancient Arabia, The people who left Ancient Arabia spread their language to Mesopotamia, thats not worth mentioning.
I never did that? you didnt give me a time to fix it! The last version didnt even have the word Arab. It just said people who migrated out of Arabia!. Look at my last version and be specific on what is wrong? talk to Vonnones we had a talk about this. You can't brush everyone with th same brush! Just like the nexttime I find an Assyrian I will try ot to associate him with anything--Skatewalk 20:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
The article was horribly Vandalized and thats not a logical excuse to merge an article. Anyways, the Ancient Arabia topic became the main interest of the Ancient Arabia denial group. march on sporting your Genocide denials banners when you are doing the same evil. I used to like Assyrians and Armenians but that was the past great job!--Skatewalk 06:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
you are obviously too confused for reasonable debate. Your "Ancient Arabia" material may have a place in Tribes of Arabia, or more properly in articles on medieval Arab genealogy, such as History of the Prophets and Kings. Please note that, per our Arabia article, Mesopotamia and the Levant are not part of Arabia. We have History of the Levant for the Levant, and History of Mesopotamia for Mesopotamia (including Akkad). This article is dedicated to the history of the Arabian peninsula, to the south of and not including the Fertile Crescent. dab (𒁳) 08:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
The Akkadians and Ammuru were also Ancient Arabians. The Mesopotamian history page mentions their invasions into Egypt and Persia, Although they are not Egyptians or Medes. go delete that then.--Skatewalk 07:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Go propose for a name change for example, to Pre-Arabia or PreHistoric Arabia or whatever. --Vonones 01:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Whats wrong with Ancient Arabia? does is it say anywhere that it wrong to use the term Ancient Arabia. Just like ancient Egypt or ancient Mesopotamia or Ancient India. Every region in the world deserves to have its Ancient history article and not an article glued to the (jahiliyah). --Skatewalk 05:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
There is no historical "ancient" period in Arabia Are you kiddin me! Are you ignoring the facts screaming at you? Read the few lines below from the Holy Eurocentric Britannica, so you dont accuse me of being an Arabianist! (the last version of the article on wikipedia used the term Arabian instead of Arab), so we don't provoke the modern Anti-Arab vultures. The facts are already in other Encyclopaedias (including the Britannica). I am becoming curious (more than anything else) on how far can you go denying crystal clear facts! Read below;
At the beginning of the millennium, a large-scale migration of great tribal federations from Arabia resulted in the occupation of Babylonia proper, the mid-Euphrates region, and Syria-Palestine. They set up a mosaic of small kingdoms and rapidly assimilated the Sumero-Akkadian culture.
Almost all of the local kings in Babylonia (such as Hammurabi of Babylon) belonged to this stock. One capital was at Mari (modern Tall al-Hariri, Syria). Farther west, the political centre was Halab (Aleppo); in that area, as well as in Palestine, the newcomers were thoroughly mixed with the Hurrians. The region then called Amurru was northern Palestine, with its centre at Hazor, and the neighbouring Syrian desert.
In the dark age between about 1600 and about 1100 BC, the language of the Amorites disappeared from Babylonia and the mid-Euphrates; in Syria and Palestine, however, it became dominant. In Assyrian inscriptions from about 1100 BC, the term Amurru designated part of Syria and all of Phoenicia and Palestine but no longer referred to any specific kingdom, language, or population.
none of this seems to explain why you keep removing the title "Ancient Arabia" for the section that does, in fact, discuss Ancient Arabia. And please stop discussing Mesopotamia. This article is about Arabia, not Mesopotamia. dab (𒁳) 07:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The Akkadians and Amorites/Amuru are Ancient Arabian groups. explain in simple English. WHY you dont want to mention them = ) ? --Skatewalk 07:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The Arabian peninsula extends well into Syria South of Mesopotamia. and on the west The RedSea/Dead sea/ Jordan river/ Tiberias/Litani river which marks the Northwestern border. Dont confuse Ancient Arabia with political Arabian peninsula today. Its a Geographic term. Ancient Arabia is simply the region to the south of Mesopotamia.--Skatewalk 07:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, south of Mesopotamia and east of Syria/Canaan. There is no clear demarcation between Arabia and the Levant, the Syrian Desert sort of belongs to both. Oases in the Syrian desert, such as Palmyra or Petra are borderline cases. They clearly are part of the Levant, but they are of course the first to be affected by Arab influence. The ancient history of Arabia proper is the ancient history of Yemen and of the sites along the incense road (Mecca, Medina, Sanaa, Tayma; there is also ancient Magan (in Oman?)) I don't see why you don't work on improving coverage on these topics instead of spending time on pointless debates on talk. What is your problem with the article? It could be more detailed, to be sure. So help building it. dab (𒁳) 07:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
You see what I mean?
sure, there is South Arabia and North Arabia. North Arabia blends into the Syrian Desert. Naturally, more "history" is happening in the fertile southern parts and along the trade routes. Not much "history" to report in the desert. The desert essentially serves as a mater gentium with lots of tribes migrating away from it and affecting the history of the regions outside Arabia. --dab (𒁳) 08:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
These migrations should be noted. These are historic events right?--Skatewalk 08:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)