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"the most beautiful females in nigeria"? seriously needs to be rewarded. not only is in POV, it makes them sound like livestock. --preschooler@heart my talk - contribs 06:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

This entire article is extremely biased and does not back up a lot of claims with sources. Seriously, did an aide for the mayor of Port Harcourt write this? --JOK3R 17:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

err...mayor?? Adaobi (t c) 01:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I cut some of the pure stupid and made the oil stuff less promotional. Forthelulz 00:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)forthelulz

Port Harcourt has no mayor. That dude is only a local government chairman but chooses to go by that made up title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.50.100 (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Port Harcourt Metropolis

@Jamie Tubers:, there's a difference between Port Harcourt metropolis and Greater Port Harcourt. Port Harcourt Metropolis is made up of two local government areas Port Harcourt local government area and Obio-Akpor while Greater Port Harcourt is composed of 8 local government areas. The population of Port Harcourt metropolis is that of Port Harcourt local government area and Obio-Akpor while that of Greater Port Harcourt is the population of all 8 local government areas. The Port Harcourt urban area is the Port Harcourt metropolis while the metropolitan area is the Greater Port Harcourt. Please read the Geography section of this article for more information. Stanleytux (talk) 15:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• Okay then, can you provide an official source defining these two local Government as one entity of Port Harcourt? If not, I'm afraid we'll have to revert the population of the City proper, back to just Port Harcourt Local Government Area, since you pointed out the entity I added in not appropriate for this page. The geography section is not well cited. We both know Wikipedia works based on Reliable sources. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:20, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• I just changed the stats back to appropriate figures, based on official figures. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: Here are some sources 1, 2, 3, Port Harcourt Medical Journal, Volume 2 pg. 28 and Sexual Behavior of Adolescents in Contemporary Sub-Saharan Africa, Volume 11 pg. 150. Stanleytux (talk) 17:04, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

The figures from the demographia source have also been added. Stanleytux (talk) 17:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for clarifying the info about the LGA. I have corrected the stats based on this info. The figures are perfect as they are now. If you feel any of the figures are incorrect, please reach-out here before altering the figures, to avoid editwarring. Regards.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: Where did you get the figures 2,340,000?, the demografia source published 1,865,000 and the figures were published in April 2016 and not in 2014. The official name is wrong and it is not sourced. Stanleytux (talk) 04:05, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

• Yes you're right about the urban area, that's a mistake. I'll correct it now.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 16:30, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: Also, per the sources above confirming that the Port Harcourt urban area = Port Harcourt metropolis, the new figures released by demografia applies to the metropolis. Stanleytux (talk) 17:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• No it doesn't. The area cited for the urban area in demographia is different from the one of PH's 2 LGAs. city/metropolis proper, Urban area and metro area, are very different concepts. They can never be the same.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 17:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: you got it wrong. Never mentioned metro area, was only saying that the sources confirms the Port Harcourt urban area as the Port Harcourt metropolis, hence wherever we see Port Harcourt urban area we know it's about the Port Harcourt metropolis. The metro area or metropolitan area of Port Harcourt is the Greater Port Harcourt while its urban area is the metropolis, according to sources. Where did you get the figures 1,005,904? Stanleytux (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• I mentioned the three definitions, so you can understand the three concepts. Publications are notorious for mixing up definitions...that's why I refered you to the Wikipedia pages, so you know exactly what a city proper and an urban area is. The source of the metropolis population is the National Population Figures, it is cited in the infobox. It is obtained by adding the two LGAs that makeup PH...That is how the other Nigerian cities' populations are given on Wiki, for consistency.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 17:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Or maybe i misundertood you, are you saying that the metropolis is not a single entity/city proper of Port Harcourt, as you convinced me earlier? If that is the case, then the population in that aspect should be changed to just the Port Harcourt LGA.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 17:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: This is pretty simple. Per sources, Port Harcourt metropolis is a combination of two LGAs, Port Harcourt LGA and Obio-Akpor. This Port Harcourt metropolis is also known as Port Harcourt urban area. you can call it whichever way. Now going by this, the figures released by Demografia in 2016 is for the Port Harcourt urban area right? if yes, then it is also for the Port Harcourt metropolis. You still don't agree? Stanleytux (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• The population for the 2 LGAs in the PH metropolis is given by the National Population commission, and that is what has been added. The Demographia list, ranks URBAN AREAS all over the world, and no where in the ranking does it say the Urban Area it gave for PH is exclusively the total Sum of PH's LGAs. Infact, the Area it gave is smaller than PH's area, which may mean that the urban area consists of just a fraction of Port Harcourt Metropolis, and adjoining dense areas outside the metropolis . This discussion is starting to get cyclical. Get familiar with Wikipedia's definitions, it's not about what "people call it", it is about what it is, based on standard definitions.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Port Harcourt is not an Igbo city And Ikwerre is not an Igbo sub-group.

The claim that Port Harcourt is an Igbo city is a false claim. The city of Port Harcourt located in Rivers State consists of 3 indigenous tribes namely: Ikwerre, Ogoni, Kalabari. The reason why Port Harcourt is considered an Igbo city is because some scholars consider the Ikwerre people as an Igbo sub-group. But the Ikwerre people have denied any claim of them been an Igbo sub-group. So the Igbo name in Port Harcourt should be removed, the Indigenous people of Port Harcourt are not Ibos. Michaelgodstimeake (talk) 20:58, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's not how things work on Wikipedia..the content you are talking about is covered in several high quality local and international sources, hence they cannot be removed. Stanleytux (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is supposed to tell the truth. The Ikwerre clan denied been Igbo sub group. Michaelgodstimeake (talk) 23:57, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I have links to prove it to you and I will prove it to you from the official Ikwerre people website. Michaelgodstimeake (talk) 23:58, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Are we still talking about Port Harcourt Metropolis or Ikwerre people? Stanleytux (talk) 06:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@Stanleytux: Can you kindly provide reliable sources which says the GENERAL native name for PH is "Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá"? I have tried to look it up and I can't find anything. Only blogs dubbing what's on wikipedia. The ones I read discussing the name are discussing the controversy around it. It seems the name, like the user above said, is indeed a controversial word and not a unanimous term (like Lagos) and it indeed has to go.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: First and foremost, it is wrong to remove content that is sourced from articles. There are sources there (refs 12,13,14) to support the content. Second, we still haven't concluded on the discussion and you just quickly removed the content. Third, everything you said is your own point of view as long as you haven't presented any source to back them, that means you just vandalized the article. Lastly, here are some more sources in addition to the ones already cited in the article confirming the name: Dancing Histories: Heuristic Ethnography with the Ohafia Igbo By John Christensen McCall. page 75, Anioma: a social history of the Western Igbo people. page 15. Stanleytux (talk) 03:30, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

• What I removed isn't what the conversation is about. I removed a claim that Ikwerre is a subgroup of Igbo, a claim that is disputed according to several reliable sources on the ikwerre page. If it is disputed, you can't put it on this page like the absolute truth. Just put it as "Ikwerre people", that is pretty much still saying the same thing, without generating any controversy. I was solving an WP:NPOV problem, not vandalizing. However, if you want the "Igbo subgroup" to be there, you'd have to also include that the claim is disputed, per WP:NPOV.

That said, you still haven't provided sources to backup "Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá" as the native name of Port Harcourt. 12 is a 404 error, 13 (which you also cited above) says Ohafia men (who are from Abia State, not Port Harcourt) called PH "Ugwu Ocha" in EARLY 20th century, it didn't say that the word has become a GENERAL NATIVE NAME in modern day 21st century Nigeria, while 14 doesn't call the term Port Harcourt's native name either.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 09:21, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: According to this book Killing the Golden Geese: Wars Against Igbo page 31, Port Harcourt is known as Iguocha while ref 14 (1973) in the article says that Iguocha is the Ikwerre name for Port Harcourt, but a corruption of the word Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá which is what ref 13 had called it. Guess this is why User:Ukabia added Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá to native name parameter in the infobox. Stanleytux (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

• The only related content I can find on that page is: "They found a beautiful land with white sandy banks and called it Igu-Ocha. Igu-Ocha is called Port Harcourt today". This sentence hasn't said anything about the usage of Ugwu Ocha/Igu-Ocha in present day Port Harcourt, talkless of saying it is the native name. If anything, it is saying otherwise. What I can conclude from all of this is that Port Harcourt really doesn't have a native name in present day, so that column should be left alone.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: In page 48 of the book The African Guardian (1994), "Iguocha", an Ikwerre name, was clearly called the native name for Port Harcourt. Note that Ikwerre people are the native people of Port Harcourt and whatever they choose to call their homeland in their native language will be considered as native name for the area. Stanleytux (talk) 16:06, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

• I can't seem to find the link to that book, can you provide the link?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Alright, here's the link African Guardian, 1994. Stanleytux (talk) 05:29, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

• So basically, Port Harcourt's actual native name, according to reliable sources is "Iguocha", and not "Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá" in the article. Also turns out, it is an Ikwerre word, not Igbo that is in the article.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Going by the sources, yes, however, ref 14 (1973) in the article says that Iguocha is a corruption of the word Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá. So it's either Iguocha or Ụ́gwụ́ Ọ́chá. Stanleytux (talk) 00:34, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

• Though I can't find that in the source, a language borrowing a word from another language (with a slight change) is very common. There are several English words, for instance, that are "corrupt" versions of French words.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Port Harcourt does not have a native name and there are bo beaches with white sand as claimed. Iguo ocha or ugwu ocha is just an igbo phrase that it is a white man's land owing to the presence of early presence of the white man. It's is also an attempt to belittle the Rivers Man and to undermine his origin. I have lived in port harcourt over 40 years and the phrase only emanated a few years back mainly by pro biafran groups to tell the world that the people of Rivers State don't have an identity and fall under the Igbo nation Henry urombo (talk) 13:50, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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I’ve removed it. This doesn’t belong to Wikipedia.