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Is it really necessary to state that vegetarians don't eat pork "and all other meats" in this article?
Yes, if it is Cpt. Obvious who does make a statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.65.221.23 (talk) 18:22, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I really think a controversy page should be added to this article.
ALthough it is true that vegetarians refrain from, among other things, the eating of pork, it is not necessary to describe this notion in any detail in an article on the subject of pork, or any other meat, for that matter. A link to a page on vegetarianism at the end of the article would more than suffice.
Why mention vegetarians and their link under this article? This is wikipedia and meant for no activism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.65.221.23 (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
What does "smallgoods" mean? I can't find a definition of the term anywhere. When I search for it on Google, all I find is links to the Australian meat industry, and a band called The Smallgoods. Is it an Australian term for preserved meats? --64.165.112.146 19:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Smallgoods refer to the processed after goods of a certain carcass, this would (in the case of a pork carcass) mean pork sausages,bacon, also black and white puddings. At the other end of the scale you might have pigs kidneys (although these are far too strong for human tastes)Trumpy 08:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know why a lot of artists (rap artists, in partucular... see http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/) don't eat pork?
Alot of Jewish and Muslim stars maybe?
How come so many rappers (50 Cent, Fat Joe, Xzibit etc.) don't eat pork... according to thesmokinggun.com's backstage tour report?
I'am discusted by how you show the pork picture of the ribs and stuff. --Jingofetts 20:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC) get a nicer one.
Impressive diversity of views here. My opinion is that the picture should stay, but be switched with one of the other pictures from further down the page. I agree with part of what Delirium said above; when most people hear the word "pork", they think of prepared meat. So for most people, an image of prepared pork best represents "pork". To a butcher, a farmer, or an animal rights activist, the image of the sliced pig might be better representative of "pork", but for most people it's more representative of where pork comes from than of pork itself. --Allen 20:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I understand the intention behind the split pig that opens this article, but I think it's a bit too graphic. The description of how pork is "gathered," so to speak, is rather clear in its own right. A Picture seems a bit unnecessary. "Just because you like the burger doesn't mean you want to meet the cow."
No Problem ! I fixed it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.146.104.65 (talk • contribs).
I believe the carcass photo skews the article NPOV, regardless of whether the original poster intended that.
The clear majority in this discussion agrees, and favors either moving or deleting the carcass photo. I've moved the carcass photo down, switching it with the cooked tenderloin photo. I think this is a fair compromise, and moving it to the "pork cuts" section actually makes more sense anyway. Rasi2290
I'm a slaughter-man, this image shows pork as the finished product, if you folks can't handle that, that is your issue, not the fault of the person that posted the pic, grow up, this is an encyclopedia. Trumpy 08:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I recently went to a restaurant where they "by default" cook pork "medium" unless the customer requests otherwise. This was the first time I ever heard of anyone not fully cooking pork. What are the implications of eating undercooked pork? Are there cuisines where undercooked pork is usual? Kimonandreou 15:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The reason pork is commonly cooked all the way through is that eating raw pork can cause Trichinosis caused by trichinella. Cooking pork all the way through kills trinchella.
Pigs get trichinella the same way humans do: by eating infected meat. Therefore, undercooked pork is unlikely to pose much of a risk unless pigs are being fed undercooked meat themselves. That is, that they are swill or scrap fed, or are exposed to garbage (or are grown in somebody's backyard or allowed to roam free range through an unsecured paddock or similar). Swill feeding is now banned in some parts of the world and this considerably reduces disease risk.
And, in addition, the undercooked meat the pigs may eat would have to have been exposed to Trinchinella itself. So the prevalence of trinchinella in a region or area will influence how important it is to cook pork through. For example, in Australia, where I am from, Trinchinella does not exist so it is fine to cook pork "medium". I think that this is commonly done here and I've seen it recommended in cook books. There is also now no trinchinella in the UK.
I think there are cultures in some parts of China, Laos, Thailand or South-East Asia that have raw pork as part of their cuisines. -203.129.45.178 11:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Why does this article make no mention of trichinosis?JaderVason 23:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
In Germany, it is common to eat raw minced pork: Mett. Can't be so dangerous then... Luzian (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm looking for a picture of one of a roast pig's head with an apple stuck in its mouth. It's one of the few illustrations I can think of that would be suitable for the otherwise picture-less subtlety. If anyone knows of any, please post the link at talk:subtlety. Peter Isotalo 13:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
You'll find this by searching Pork + Cola. It's an urban legend that's said if you pour cola on raw porks, worms will start showing up. I think this should be added to the wiki page. Lightblade 10:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
It's time Lightblade stopped smoking crack (Trumpy 08:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC))
The pig isn't responsable for any worm itself. Pigs are the victims not responsable for worms. Pigs could be sick as also bull or fish. In fact the rejection to the pig is built by superstition or religion, not real science. One relative of me , a woman, ate pig all his life and she died with 101 years old, in 2007.Agre22 (talk) 12:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Doing some research on Google, I've found a website that details the health effects and such of eating pork - a subject area that this article distinctly lacks: I plan to add information on the article from this site sometime in the near future. If anyone has any objections, please let me know. Black-Velvet 11:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
1. SIMOONS, F.J., "Eat Not This Flesh." Madison, Wisconsin, 1961. 2. GEMMEL, M. et al. (edits).," Guidelines for surveillance prevention and control of taeniasiscysticercosis," Geneva: World Health Organization, 1983, VPH/83.49 (Mimeographed) (This publication gives a full bibliography and can be consulted for further information.) 3. "In Mexico City 1.9% of all human deaths are caused by cysticercosis and T. solium cysticerci are found in 3.5% of all autopsies performed." (WHO EXPERT COMMITTEE ON PARASITIC ZOONOSES, TRS, 637, 1979, Geneva: World Health Organization). 4. SCHENONE, H. et al. "Epidemiology of human cysticercosis in Latin America. " In: FLIESSER, A. et al. (edts.). "Cysticercosis: present state of knowledge and perspectives." New York: Academic Press, 1982, pp. 25-38. 5. See, for example, CHANDLER, A.C., "Introduction to Parasitology (with special reference to the parasites of man)," New York: J. Wiley, 1955. 6. RECKEWEG, H.H., "Schweinefleisch und Gesundheit." Biologische Medizin, 6, 437.455 and 502-506, 1977. 7. "Ernahrungsbericht" 1984, pp. 222-223. Frankfurt/Main: Deutsche Geselischaft fur Ernahrung e.V. 8. NANJI, AMIN A. and FRENCH, S.W., "Relationship between pork consumption and cirrhosis. - Lancet, March 23, 1985, pp. 681-683. 9. ALLEN, C. E. and MACKEY, M.A., " Compositional characteristics and the potential for change in foods of animal origin, " in BEITZ, D.C. and HANSEN, R.G., "Animal products in human nutrition, " New York: Academic Press, 1982. 10. LAWRIE, R.A. - "Meat Science, " Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1966. 11. LAWRIE, R.A., "Meat Science," Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1966. 12. WILHAM, R. L., "Historic development of the use of animal products in human nutrition," in BEITZ, D.C. and HANSEN, R.G., "Animal products in human nutrition," New York: Academic Press, 1982. 13. WHO EXPERT COMMITTEE ON ARTERIAL HYPERTENSION. "Techn. Rep. Ser. No. 628," Geneva, 1978. 14. "Primary prevention of essential hypertension." REPORT OF A WHO SCIENTIFIC GROUP, "Techn. Rep. Serv. No. 686, " Geneva, 1983. 15. YAMORI, T. et al. "Clinical and experimental pharmacology," Suppl. 3, p. 199, 1976 (cited by the WHO Expert Committee on Arterial Hypertension, 1978). 16. "Prevention of coronary heart disease." REPORT OF A WHO EXPERT COMMITTEE, "Techn. Rep. Ser. No. 678, " 1982. 17. REDDY, B.S., "Influence of dietary fat, protein, and fiber on colon cancer development, " in BEITZ, D.C. and HANSEN, RG. - "Animal Products in Human Nutrition," New York: Academic Press, 1982. 18. ARMSTRONG, B. and DOLL, R., "Environmental factors and cancer incidence and mortality in different countries with special reference to dietary practices. " Int. J. Cancer, 15, 617-631. 19. HOWELL, M.A., "Diet as an etiologric factor in the development of cancers of the colon and rectum. " J. Chron. Dis., 28, 67.80. 20. For a discussion of this subject reference may be made to: "Residues of veterinary drugs in foods," FAO Food and Nutrition paper, No. 32, 1985. 21. "Health aspects of residues of anabolics in meat" (REPORT OF A WHO WORKING GROUP) Euro Repts and Studies, 59, Copenhagen: World Health Organization, 1982. 22. "IARC monographs on the evaluation of carcinogenic risk of chemicals to humans - Sex hormones. LYON: INTERNATIONAL AGENCY FOR RESEARCH ON CANCER, Vol. 6 (1974) and Vol. 21 (1979) 23. DARBY, W.J. et al., "Food.. the gift of Osifis, " vol. 1. London: Academic Press, 1977. 24. SIMONS, J., "Eat not this flesh, " Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1961.
The pig isn't responsable for any health problem itself. Pigs could be sick as also bull or fish. In fact the rejection to the pig is built by superstition or religion, not real science. One relative of me , a woman, ate pig all his life and she died with 101 years old, in 2007.Agre22 (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)agre22
Pork (or any other meat for that matter) has various bad effects on health. People eat meat anyway because of the taste and try to convince themselves that meat is not so bad. But apart from health... in India the "aroma" of cooked pork (mostly at Christian or non-religious homes) and other meats is felt as an unbearable stench by many Hindus. One man's food is another man's poison? Why is this? Cultural differences? What is the scientific reason? -59.95.12.37 (talk) 10:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Is pork an appropriate term to use for wild boar meat? See the commercial uses section of Boar for an example. —Gaff ταλκ 00:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes Wild Boar is an important part of pork. It is shot and dressed here in New Zealand and makes for a really nice meal. It has REAL taste, as opposed to the washed out flavour of farm raised pigs. I have the meat of a boar and a sow in my freezer, should be good eating, think, extreme crackling!,MMM mmmmm(Trumpy 09:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC))
Boar meat can be tougher than farm-raised pig meat, yes. The animal is probably much older and ate a much less energy-dense diet than its farm-raised counterpart. Problems with tenderness can sometimes be overcome by mechanical tenderization, which is either done most often with needles or blades, or by moist-heat cooking methods. CRaines (talk) 15:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Currently the opening paragraph is "Pork is the culinary name for meat from pigs. It is one of the most common meats consumed by people. Like beef, it is taboo in some religions and cultures." I'd propose replacing the 2nd and 3rd sentence with something like: "It is the meat most consumed by people worldwide, despite its prohibition by several major religions." The Raloff citation (currently citation 3) says it's the most common meat consumed worldwide (by weight of meat, and by humans, of course), and while exact numbers vary by sources I've seen (UN's FAOS, USDA's FAS, US Pork Council), its position as most-consumed meat (even if you include fish & poultry) does not. Beef seemed an unnecessary meat to single out for likeness, as whale, horse, dog, etc. also qualify, and a comparison isn't needed anyway. Cultural or health-based prohibitions seem likely to be minor compared to religious prohibitions, though I've seen no stats breaking those out, and no cultural taboos were mentioned in the article. I'm considering the governmental bans listed in the article as side effects of the religious prohibitions, although perhaps government prohibitions should be mentioned too. -Agyle 05:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
There's been a "not verified" tag since July. There are some references cited in the article, and I don't see any fact tags concerning specific sentences or sections. How about removing the overall not verified tag, and if someone thinks a given section needs further verification, they can tag that specifically? -Agyle 05:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
So both the rear and front legs have trotters? I thought that one of them was something else...The front are hands or the back are feet or something like that. I certainly remember a episode of some soap opera where a guy raising a pig makes the mistake of promising to sell 4 trotters.--Josquius 21:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC) The term 'trotter' is most typically refer to the front legs of a sheep, but can refer to the front legs of a pig as well. The trotter-equivalent on the rear leg of a pork carcass is a hock. It appears that your soap opera guy was mistaken. CRaines (talk) 15:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I've seen recipies that call for a 'Pork Knuckle'. Obviously it isn't one of the main parts of the pork, but what is it? =207.157.17.174 13:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states "As with beef in Hinduism, pork consumption is taboo in Islam and Judaism." These are religious reasons but their background differ very much. In Hinduism cows are sacred animals and in Islamism pigs are considered filthy, unholy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.70.82.221 (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The first para speaks of "pig cultivation." Such a practice would be cruel and unusual. Daffodils are cultivated, corn is cultivated, even, I believe, some ladies are cultivated, but pigs, like cattle, sheep, and all other farm animals, are raised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PiCo (talk • contribs)
Why is it blocked? I can't figure it out...Crazyaboutlost (talk) 15:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
This article says ALL pig meat (including ham, bacon, prociutto, etc.) is called pork. This may be a technical term but i know of NO ONE who refers to ham or bacon as pork. It should be noted that usually (or rather coloquially) pork refers to the meat of the mid-section of the pig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.149.134 (talk) 15:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Please refrain from adding material discussing Swine Flu to an article about pork. As per the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, swine flu is not transmitted by properly cooked pork products. Since the article is about pork and not pigs, swine flu is not appropriate material. Age Happens (talk) 07:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Currently there is a content fork involving Primal cut on one side, and on the other side Cut of beef and Cut of pork. I suggest merging the duplicated content, preferably within the respective carcass articles (Beef, Pork). That will leave not very much content on Primal cut; perhaps merge it into Butcher, as a section. --Una Smith (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Recent edits are adding information to the potential health risks section. These evidence for these edits are from low quality citations. Please do not cite news articles about studies- instead cite the study. Also, a web page without scientific citations is of questionable value no matter what institute it is from. Preferably the citations would be from review articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregwebs (talk • contribs) 16:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This is an English language page. Folks, why don't we link to the area on a Hebrew page, rather than introduce it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phreed100 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree and I would add that all of the religious quotes from holy books belong not on this page but on the link provided regarding the religious prohibitions. It would be more appropriate to have specifics about cooking and cuts of meat here than a pile of quotes from religious texts. 69.123.13.152 (talk) 15:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Under the paragraph titled "Fresh Meat" reads this sentence:
"Despite popular belief, it is a myth that raw pork contains "hook worms" or any sort of worms. Only when the pork is rotting will it develop any type of larvae or worms."
Under the paragraph titled "Potential Health Risks" read this:
"The pig is the carrier of various helminths, like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous and common is Taenia solium, a type of tapeworm. Tapeworms may transplant to human intestines as well by consuming untreated or uncooked meat from pigs or other animals."
Which is true? They can't both be correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.181.161.250 (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
There should be some information on the slaughter part of these animals. Hires an editor (talk) 14:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Why? There are other articles about that. Search an article about animal rights as example. No need to turn wikipedia into some activist tool.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.65.221.23 (talk) 14:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, 70... Do you really think that the name of the manufacturer and the weight in pounds needs to be included regarding Listeria Monocytogenes? What struck me as important was that this product was "fully cooked" yet contained diseases which you seem to think can only be transmitted by uncooked pork, which I've changed to undercooked. While your quote from FSIS about cooking killing these organisms is correct, and should be included, it doesn't seem that this recommendation is always followed. Bob98133 (talk) 20:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
none of these references work - all go to 404 pages - the Cdn government apparently changed the url format for these pages. Bob98133 (talk) 20:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
There are discussions in progress on Talk:Pig (disambiguation) and Talk:Pig which affect this page. Please participate there (not here). Thank you. 69.3.72.249 (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
PSE meat was created a while ago, but I'm unsure how it should be linked from this page. JFW | T@lk 09:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
hey, shouldn't the introduction section state "In Islam, Judaism and some sects of Christianity," since Ethiopian Orthodox christians don't eat pork as do 7th day adventists? I'll make the change if no disputes, also sikhism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.74.249 (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The lead currently points out that "The word pork denotes specifically the fresh meat of the pig that is left unsalted, but it is often mistakenly used as an all-inclusive term which includes cured, smoked, or processed meats (ham, bacon, prosciutto, etc.)" yet two sentences later explains that "Pork is eaten in several forms, including cooked (as roast pork), cured (some hams, including the Italian prosciutto) or smoked or a combination of these methods (other hams, gammon, bacon or Pancetta)." So just how mistaken is it to use pork as an all inclusive term, when Wikipedia does just that?193.82.198.157 (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I moved several paragraphs about pathogens to the Diseases section from the Nutrition one. Wuapinmon (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Dutch Seek Space for a Growing Appetite for Pork
Issues presented:
— Preceding unsigned comment added by DonaldRichardSands (talk • contribs) 15:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
What the reference said was that it INCREASES 3% of piglet mortality not that 3% of Piglet mortality is caused by Cannibalism. Also it is utterly irrelevant to state that some psychopath thinks that Pork tastes human flesh. I removed this section entirely. JayBee1988 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.173.110 (talk) 20:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Absolutely.. Omnivore, because both human and swine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.231.131.247 (talk) 14:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I agreed.88.231.54.87 (talk) 14:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
"Historically pigs were only valued because their hocks and trotters made effective weapons for early European tribes. Hrothgar once said: "thine trotters shall be smitten by mine blade, henceforth.""
WTF? 101.117.20.165 (talk) 03:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Could the material in this section be re-worked elsewhere? It goes from stating statistics to a subsection on pork culture in Asia, with a Brazilian dish thrown in as well. Could a section on Pork by region be added, where this will fit better? '''tAD''' (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
To avoid gallery grown into cluttering image-o-rama, I suggest one country one image only. Any unnecessary addition of certain nation pork dishes would be deleted. Thank you. Gunkarta talk 13:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I think it can not be like that. If you think like that, pork dish will be limited of image and stuck for the knowledge talkm — Preceding undated comment added 13:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Given that the article is on pork, it is natural to include where pork comes from. I cannot find more recent stats, but the intensive animal farming page says that "In the U.S., as of 2000 four companies produced 81 percent of cows, 73 percent of sheep, 60 percent of pigs, and 50 percent of chickens and according to its National Pork Producers Council, 80 million of its 95 million pigs slaughtered each year are reared in industrial settings." Given that the majority of pork in the world comes from intensive animal farming, I find it is more than reasonable to include an image on it. Smk65536 (talk) 13:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I'd support an image of a pig (living or in hung carcass form), as with the beef or veal articles. I can't help but think your insistence on giving prominence to a picture of pigs in their own excrement is linked to the ideologies espoused on your user page – I think WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE, etc., would suggest we omit your suggested image. That image is already featured on a number of more relevant pages that actually discuss intensive pig farming. IgnorantArmies (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
As long as there's no "beef diseases" or ""fish diseases" in particular pages so its unnecessary a "Pork Diseases" section in this page. And the points mentioned there are not in the base of good references or there's no references at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arungx (talk • contribs) 06:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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Are you guys telling me that pork is illegal? Pork should defentely never be illegal. Pork is important for to have proteins. It really is bullshit for pork being illegal for some religious reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4F02:F076:9180:27F:13FF:783D (talk) 09:21, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
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