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Hello, is there any valid reason that Uzbekistan is not mentioned in regards to Tajiks/Eastern Persians outside of present-day Iran? There is anywhere from 1.5-12M (more than Tajikistan) Tajiks in Uzbekistan, so it needs to be added. Furthermore, it has been noted by reliable western scholars that Tajik's are culturally repressed in Uzbekistan, and WP is neither a place to perpetuate nor right great wrongs. Thus, we must remain truly neutral, and true neutrality requires us to include anything that has been verified by reliable academic sources -- and the existence of a native Tajik/Eastern Persian population is verified in Uzbekistan by reliable academic sources per WP:RS requirements. If no one has any objections nor plans to revert my edits -- I will go ahead and include Uzbekistan to the list of countries.
I also think that it might be useful and helpful for readers to get a sense of which famous Persians were from outside of present-day Iran (al-Khwārizmī, Avicenna, Rumi) -- what does everyone think about adding some famous historical Eastern/Central Asian Persians and Caucasian Persian to the lede?
--Jamaas9 (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Now that this article has recently been restricted to Iranian nationals, more needs to be done to integrate this page and the article on Tajik people.
I am reading an article on Nasir Khusraw, born all the way in Qabodiyan. He is described as 'Persian' in the article. I click on the Persian hyperlink, and it leads to this page, which is about Persian speaking Iranian nationals only. At least I am somewhat knowledgeable on the history of the region to know that Nasir Khusraw was not an immigrant from the modern territory of Iran, but someone who is not familiar would very well think that because of the way this article has nationalized Persian identity. According to this article, being "Persian" is not about ancestry (ancestral to south-west Iran) or cultural-linguistic (which would include Tajiks), it's based on political borders. Fair enough, but I think this should be clarified, either on the pages of these historical figures or on this page itself, otherwise it is deliberately misleading readers.
I suggest this article itself could elaborate further on the very close ties of Persian speakers of Iran and Tajik people (and Tat people, if there are users knowledgeable on it). For example, a first step is to put at the top of this article:
For people of Persian heritage in Central Asia, see Tajiks
Additional information could be added under the "Name" section for the varying usages of Persian as an ethnic marker throughout history, from ancient to medieval times. Please discuss here for alternative suggestions.
EdenKZD (talk) 19:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
″ ...most influential Persian figures were native from outside Iran's present-day borders to the northeast in Central Asia and Afghanistan and to a lesser extent to the northwest in the Caucasus proper."
--Jamaas9 (talk) 04:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Regarding the last paragraph, the intention is that Persian was synonymous with both Tat and Tajik. I think that part is fine as it is. Attempting to fully explain these terms in the lede would make it too verbose. We can always elaborate in the body of the article. EdenKZD (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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@LouisAragon and Rye-96: I am calling out your callous, and outright unprofessional edits to the image gallery attached to this page, which for the most part, lack any scholarly merit (and perhaps stem from pedantic personal motivations). The removed image of course, is a 17th century fresco illustrating a Persian tavern-keeper; holding a flagon of wine, originally installed at the Abbasi hotel in Isfahan. Its the same image attached to the "Culture of Iran" page here on Wikipedia. Now unless you have any substantive reasons for removing this content, and by substantive allow me to emphasize on the phrase "scholarly", then speak your mind, or forever refrain from removing the image. Otherwise we may need to escalate this further. May I need to remind you that wikipedia is a neutral platform for the benefit of the public domain and not a cause for settling personal issues. Edit: @LouisAragon: you have went ahead and re-edited the image for the fourth time. Express your concerns here, instead of moving around my update, or standby for admin. You don't seem to be interested in good faith discussion. Edit II: 22:49, 8 August 2018 (EST)
@LouisAragon and Rye-96: This is precisely the point, you seem to carry your own convoluted notions of what " Persian ethnicity" should look like, which is not within the purview of this page. But let us recap how you got here: first you remove the image because it allegedly does not portray a Persian female, then you remove it again claiming it was "overpopulating" the gallery (all the while your buddy Ryan is adding more images to it) and now you claim it does not portray an ethnic Persian in the first place! This last one is the most peculiar point... I mean even if we're to give you the benefit of doubt, and consider you're merely under-educated on the topic or excessively pedantic, the issue with respect to ethnicity is so bizarre and out-of-place it makes one's head scratch?!!! My man, have you not ever met a Persian before!? Let us thank the divinity then that your personal senses do not dictate facts; otherwise half the Persian history would be removed with only few clicks! I digress... The actual fresco dates back to the 17th century. The scene is still decorating the walls of Shah Abbasi Hotel in Isfahan along with other miniatures depicting dancing women and tavern-keepers. As much as you may hate to admit, wine, and women are as much part of Persian ethnicity as statues portraying men. I am not responding to your "threats" none-sense, largely because we both know you vandalized my personal page and have been combative throughout. But allow me to say that when images are removed without explanation, expect other members to cite you the rules. In any event, I find this part of your discussion a red-herring and entirely unrelated to the subject: which involves you and friend removing an image you don't like, and failing to provide proper reasons for doing so. 14:36, 10 of August (EST)
@LouisAragon and Rye-96: This isn't really going anywhere. You have shown little interest to actually come up with substantive reasons as to why the image should be removed, other than circling around the same misguided personal biases. Now you're citing an older edit on another page, involving a passage from Encylopedia Iranica that lacks proper citation. This isnt relevant to why the image here has been moved? What's your aim here? I am bumping this for third party opinion. The aim of the exercise here is to expand this page to include more accurate and less bias content. We aren't having a counselling session here. 16:00, 10 of August (EST)'
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Historically Iran is known as PERSIA and from the 6th century until 1935 the official name of the country was Persia (Perse in French and Persien in German). So the adjective Persian in English all people who live in Persia (or Iran). So the first paragraph of the article which says The Persians are an Iranian ethnic group that make up over half the population of Iran is not completely true. This introduction should be revised and re-written. Please check out various encyclopaedias and dictionaries; they all have mentinoed PERSIAN is used for 'inhabitants of Persia' not just for those who are ethnically Persian who those who are Persian-speaker. we may change the title of the article to 'Persian-Speaking People".--Sarajoon2018 (talk) 16:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Persian=/=Iranian in an ethnolinguistic meaning. Persian and Iranian can be interpreted as being synonyms in a sense of citizenship. for example, an Algerian immigrant in France can abandon his Algerian citizenship and take the French one, this makes him a French citizen but not an ethnic French. So, when Iran was called Persia, citizens of Persia could be called Iranians (As Persia and Iran are synonyms), but only in regard of their citizenships. Best regards.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 02:13, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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Persian people → Persians – "Persians" redirects here. other ethnicity articles follow this formula "ethnic name+s", so this one should not be different. persian is not a meta ethnicity, bunch of sub ethnic groups or nationality and using people or peoples is wrong in this case. GGBarBar (talk) 09:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
To above ip the ip's comments do not make any sense at all. there are many animals, creatures, and things that use a "nation/ethnic" as a part of their name. Arabian horse uses "Arabian" and "Arabians" to refer to a horse breed. you can find dozens of other similar cases. your whole point is based on a cat breed named "persian cat" which has zero thing to do with an ethnic named persian. by your logic, we should not use Germans because there is a dog named German Shepherd and some people call that dog breed just as Germans. that "Persian carpet" argument is ridiculous and laughable as hell. what about Turkish coffee?!?! we should not use turkish for turkish people because a coffee named turkish?!!?GGBarBar (talk) 04:03, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
the latter likely having migrated southward and transferred the name of the region with them to what would become Persis
the whole sentence it too long and hard to understand
The ninth-century BC Neo-Assyrian inscription of the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III, found at Nimrud, gives it in the Late Assyrian forms Parsua and Parsumaš as a region and a people located in the Zagros Mountains, the latter likely having migrated southward and transferred the name of the region with them to what would become Persis (Persia proper, i.e., modern-day Fars), and that is considered to be the earliest attestation to the ancient Persian people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.9.246 (talk) 16:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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| religions = Shia Islam (predominantly), Irreligion, Judaism, Christianity, Bahá'í Faith, Buddhism, Sunni Islam, Sufism, and Zoroastrianism.
AT Inkognito (talk) 13:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Two religions are missing. Judaism and Buddhism.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AT Inkognito (talk • contribs) 18:54, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Source for Buddhism: Mostafa Vaziri (2012). Buddhism in Iran: An Anthropological Approach to Traces and Influences. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 9781137022936— Preceding unsigned comment added by AT Inkognito (talk • contribs) 19:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
And please add Judaism.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AT Inkognito (talk • contribs) 19:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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https://iranicaonline.org/articles/judeo-persian-vi-the-pahlavi-era-1925-1979
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/17/iran-confiscates-buddha-statues
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/buddhism-i
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So, according to your thesis, there are no Persians today who belong to the Jewish or Buddhist faith? Shouldn't the two religions Judaism and Buddhism, be treated in the same way as Zoroastrianism?
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template. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)Two religions for the Persians are missing. Judaism and Buddhism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AT Inkognito (talk • contribs) 22:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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template. 'Again - FlightTime (open channel) 22:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)A group of historians are trying to link the culture of this ethnic group to the Greeks. But according to my study, there were actually two separate cultures that came together. I think it is necessary to point out exactly the separation of these two cultures. Also, This ethnic group is influenced (Significantly) by neighboring and western cultures. 95.181.236.137 (talk) 16:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
As a Tajik, the Persian people outside of Iran have no justification in this article. I was looking at Muhammad Al-Bukhari’s page on Wikipedia and it said he was a Persian. I clicked on the link and it showed he was Iranian. I was confused as to how is all Persian heritage claimed by Iran only and not Afghanistan or Tajikistan. His last name is Bukhara (a city of Persian culture in Central Asia which what is Uzbekistan). I find the same issue with other Persian figures. I call for under Persians that Afghan Tajiks, Tajiks of Tajikistan, and Tajiks of Uzbekistan be added. Persian does not only mean Iranian. Eskanderi (talk) 13:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
It is also found on Wikipedia already that Persian refers to Tajiks as well and Tajiks are known as "Eastern Persians". [1]Eskanderi (talk) 15:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Richard Foltz, a scholar on the Tajik subject and an author of a book on the Tajik people, confirms from historical accounts that Tajiks are Persian speaking people of Central Asia. They can trace their lineage to the Persian Sunni empire: the Samand Empire which was vital in the reemergence of Persian culture after Arab invasions. The Samanid Empire was located in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan." Richard Foltz traces the complex linguistic, cultural and political history of the Tajiks, a Persian-speaking Iranian ethnic group from the modern-day Central Asian states of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Uzbekistan." [2] [3]
Richard Foltz also indicates that there is no pure groups in the world today and that people intermixing is what makes up every individual today. Hence, Persian is an ethnic-linguistic term in which people follow a unified culture and language. Many Persian historical figures and movements also did not take place in current day Iran. For example, Foltz agrees with scholars that Zoroastrianism began in Central Asia or modern day Afghanistan."Probably most of the Muslims who migrated to Central Asia after the conquest were Persians" "By the way the birthplace of Zoroastrianism was not Iran, but Central Asia, although it was in Iran that it became a state religion." Pertaining to language, Afghanistan's official language is Persian (Dari) and Tajikistan's official language is Persian (Tajik) [4] "Scholars recognize three major dialect divisions of Persian: Farsi, or the Persian of Iran, Dari Persian of Afghanistan, and Tajik, a variant spoken Tajikistan in Central Asia."
TheJoshuaProject, a journal for the study of minority groups, confirms Tajiks are descendants of Persian peoples. "A Mediterranean sub-group of the Caucasian race, modern Tajiks are descended from Persian peoples.""An old Turkish expression, "Tajik" is synonymous with "Persian". They have always spoken Persian (speaking the related Dari dialect in Afghanistan) whereas other Persian language speakers in Central Asia adopted the language." Tajik was used as a word to distinguish the Persians from the Turks and Arabs of Central Asia. [5]
For my next point, I need to establish the definition of ethnicity. It is stated as "a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like"[6]. I would like to highlight that ethnicity is a group of people bounded by culture, language, and customs. Tajiks speak Persian, celebrate Persian holidays (Nowrooz) (Yalda night), celebrate Persian poets, practice Persian customs (Espand), and have cities within their countries that were vital to Persian culture (Herat, Kabul, Balkh, Samarkand, Bukhara).
Aside from Iran, the country of Afghanistan uses the Persian calendar or the Solar Hijri calendar. [7]
Ibn Battuta, world explorer and scholar of the old world, referred to Persians in Kabul as Afghans [8]
Persian dynasties that emerged or contained countries of Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan. (Achaemenid, Sassanian, Samanids, Saffarids) [9] These empires contained the Central Asian countries and some even originated in Central Asia but are claimed to be Persian. Unfortunately when you click on the link, it shows only Iranian influence and not the Tajiks of Tajikistan and Afghanistan's culture. With these facts, historical accounts, customs, and commonality there is proof Tajiks should be considered Persian and labeled as such on the Persian page. The populations of those groups should also be indicated in the demographics of the Persian page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eskanderi (talk • contribs) 16:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
[10] *countries celebrating Persian new year
[11] *Shab e Yalda celebrated by Tajiks
[12]
[13] *Espand Persian custom practiced by Tajiks
[14] * Several cities not in Iran (Herat, Bukhara, Samarkand, Ghazni etc..)
"In contemporary terminology, people of Persian heritage native specifically to present-day Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan are referred to as Tajiks, whereas those in the Caucasus (primarily in the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian federal subject of Dagestan), albeit heavily assimilated, are referred to as Tats.[18][19] However, historically, the terms Tajik and Tat were used as synonymous and interchangeable with Persian.[18] Many influential Persian figures hailed from outside Iran's present-day borders to the northeast in Central Asia and Afghanistan and to a lesser extent to the northwest in the Caucasus proper.[20][21] In historical contexts, especially in English, "Persians" may be defined more loosely to cover all subjects of the ancient Persian polities, regardless of ethnic background."
Thanks for responding. With all due respect I’m pretty sure I posted sources that claimed the word Tazhik meant Persian. In fact, Persian as an ethnic group doesn’t exist in the Persian language and has become a new form to refer to ethnicity. Instead most Persians, even the ones in Iran are called “Farsi-Zaban” or Persian speaking. I also want to highlight the Wikipedia in Persian states Tajiks are Persian. With due respect, it’s kind of difficult to prove my point to a non Persian. I am a Tajik and our whole culture is Persian and it’s frustrating when part of our cultural heritage is claimed as Persian in Wikipedia and it’s chosen as only for Iran when in fact Afghanistan and Tajikistan (the two countries with Persian as an official language) have their flags and culture based on Persian culture.
Anyways here is your proof, “The Tajiks of Afghanistan are roughly the same as Eastern Khurusani Persians”“https://www.jstor.org/stable/668975?seq=1 Eskanderi (talk) 18:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
I provided proof of words that prove Tajiks of Afghanistan are roughly the same as Persians Eskanderi (talk) 23:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment : The link you sent, once again, does not state a word about Tajiks being Persians. I've taken the courtesy to check it word for word. Strong claims need strong sources, you will need an explicit source that says Persians live in modern-day Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc. As you are persistently trying to push a POV by your own WP:OR synthesis, this is starting to become WP:TENDENTIOUS.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 02:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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Technically speaking, there is no ethnicity called Persian today. The word Persians, is the English therm, used to call the people of the country Iran. All, with whatever ethnicity they might have. That is called Iranians, in the Persian language. We can talk abut Persian-speaking people and not about Persian as an ethnicity. In the article Persian is called Iranian as well. This is where the problem arises. Because all people in The country Iran, are Iranians. So, we can not say Iranian people are 50 percent of the population in Iran. If we want to talk about IRANIC people, then again all people in Iran except Arabs and Turkmen are Iranian (Iranic)people. In addition, all Kurds, Tajiks in Afghanistan,Tajikestan,Uzbekistan and a small portion in China and Pakistan are also Iranic people. Pashtoons in Afghanistan and Pakistan are also Iranic people, the same is the population in the republic of Azerbaijan. Iranian or Iranic people are a group of different ethnicities around the region, as mentioned above. In today's Iran,many people have either abandoned their own languages and speak Persian or they are bilingual. So, who are really the Persians?MoghBaba (talk) 11:32, 18 April 2021 (UTC)MoghBaba (talk) 11:37, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Tajiks need to be added to "regions with significant populations". This is because in the Persian language, including within Iran, Persian does not exist and rather the ethnic group is referred to as "Farsizaban/Farsiwan" or Persian speaker. Like it has been mentioned by other discussions within this page, Persians in Afghanistan and Iran are referred to as Farsiwan/Farsizaban. In fact, Tajiks do not refer to themselves as Tajik in their Persian tongue but rather say "Farsizaban" just like "Farsizabans" of Iran.
This is indicative of the wikipedia article "Persian" itself in the Persian language. If you change the "Persian" article to the Persian language, the title become "Farsi Zaban" or Persian speaker. The page includes the country of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan. In fact, the article mentions the homeland of the Tajiks as Greater Iran and stating they are ethnic Persians. They state they are the same group of "Persian speakers" of Iran. Persian Wikipedia article in Farsi
This is completely biased when Wikipedia itself in Farsi includes Tajiks within "Persian" people. The Wikipedia article in the exact Persian form says Tajiks are Persian but yet it is claimed as "Unreliable"! Very odd indeed. I have also provided many many sources, completely outlined it, and yet it is still deemed as unreliable. There is also a large consensus on this page who has brought about this topic many times yet it is still seen as unreliable. It is very odd and biased and now I see why Academics don't recommend using Wikipedia as sources for term papers. How can you argue that the Wikipedia article itself is unreliable?
I am at it again because I always come across sources that include Tajiks as Persian people. I have also provided sources that state they are Persians. Here is source #1: Qarakhanid Turks applied this term [Tajik] more specifically to the Persian Muslims in the Oxus basin and Khorasan, who were variously the Turks’ rivals, models, overlords (under the Samanid Dynasty), and subjects (from Ghaznavid times on). Persian writers of the Ghaznavid, Seljuq and Atābak periods (ca. 1000–1260) adopted the term and extended its use to cover Persians in the rest of Iran, now under Turkish rule, as early as the poet ʿOnṣori, ca. 1025 (Dabirsiāqi, pp. 3377, 3408). Iranians soon accepted it as an ethnonym, as is shown by a Persian court official’s referring to mā tāzikān “we Tajiks” (Bayhaqi, ed. Fayyāz, p. 594). Source#!
Source #2, Tajiks are Eastern Persians.... "The Tajik archaeologist and historian N. N. Negmatov makes a similar claim of Tajik antiquity, albeit in somewhat more neutral terms, when he identifies all the Iranian-speaking populations of Central Asia during and before the Samanid era and argues that ‘[a]ll these people were ethnically related and spoke languages and dialects of the Middle Iranian and New Persian language groups; they were the basis for the emergence and gradual consolidation of what became an Eastern Persian-Tajik ethnic identity’." Official Tajik histories trace the completion of the Tajik’s ‘ethnogenesis’ and the beginning of their ‘statehood’ to the era of the Samanid Empire (ninth–tenth centuries). It should also be noted that the Samanid empire was a Sunni Tajik Persian dynasty.
These are intelligent, thoughtful sources that show Tajiks are Persian. The Tajiks' culture/ethnic identity has always been Persian. The word "Tajik" is mentioned in Persian literature, historical accounts, and modern scholarly sources to equate to Persian.
It is the same for "Persians" of Iran. No one calls themselves Persian. They are first Iranian, then Farsizaban or "Persian speaker". It is the same exact concept. No one in Afghanistan from the Farsiwans calls themselves Tajiks. They call themselves exactly that "Farsiwan/Farsizaban". The Persians of Iran are not pure Persians from the Achaemenid Period, its an ethnolinguistic term for Persian speakers with a Persian culture. Hence, it is the same for Tajiks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eskanderi (talk • contribs) 14:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm pretty shocked by the near-total absence of Zoroastrianism in this article. I thought the eradication of this faith would not have agency on Wikipedia, but I appear to have been wrong. Apart from mention of "fire worshipping" in some parts of Cappadocia, there's nothing. Shame HesitantItinerary (talk) 18:45, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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To say in the intro that Persians are indigenous to the Middle East and one of the oldest and being one of the majorities in the region next to Arabs and Turks.
Reason is people don't know much about Middle East and I would like to add that so they would be more educated about us.
https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/middle-east-people/ Persianprincess416 (talk) 01:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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template. The lead already says The ancient Persians were originally an ancient Iranian people who migrated to the region of Persis, corresponding to the modern province of Fars in southwestern Iran, by the ninth century BC.[7][8] Together with their compatriot allies, they established and ruled some of the world's most powerful empires,[9][8] well-recognized for their massive cultural, political, and social influence covering much of the territory and population of the ancient world. That seems to be a much better presentation of nformation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Ohh noo!! I mean the part where it says "the Persians are an Iranian group" and so on and so forth. Yes the Persians are indigenous from Iran. But we're scattered all across the Middle East. We are the second biggest ethnic groups in the region. That statement alone makes it seem like we're only in Iran when reality we're all over.
I wanted the very beginning to say something like Persians are an indigenous ethnic group and that we're the second biggest ethnic groups in the Middle East. << I jus wanted that part to be added in the very beginning so people can learn more about us. Persianprincess416 (talk) 07:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Persian is not really an ethnicity. In the Persian language you cannot say "I am Persian.". You can say you are Persian speaking. Compare it to Mandarin or Hindi. You cannot say you are Mandarin, you cannot say you are Hindi, but you can say you are Mandarin speaking and Hindi speaking. Persian is overused in the West. Everything Iranian became Persian in the West. Persian is solely a province and a language but not really an ethnic identity. Strictly speaking, people who only speak Persian have no specific ethnic identity. They are simply just Iranians who simply identify with their city or region (Tehrani, Shirazi, Esfehani, etc.), but they don't call themselves "Persian" since there is not even an equivalent to Persian in the Persian language in the ethnic sense, since it only refers to a province and language, as I already mentioned.
Persian is an ethnicity, Iranian is a nationality and those cities are from provinces in Iran Persianprincess416 (talk) 07:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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To say in the intro that Persians are indigenous to the Middle East and one of the oldest and being one of the majorities in the region next to Arabs and Turks.
Reason is people don't know much about Middle East and I would like to add that so they would be more educated about us.
https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/middle-east-people/ Persianprincess416 (talk) 01:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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template. The lead already says The ancient Persians were originally an ancient Iranian people who migrated to the region of Persis, corresponding to the modern province of Fars in southwestern Iran, by the ninth century BC.[7][8] Together with their compatriot allies, they established and ruled some of the world's most powerful empires,[9][8] well-recognized for their massive cultural, political, and social influence covering much of the territory and population of the ancient world. That seems to be a much better presentation of nformation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Ohh noo!! I mean the part where it says "the Persians are an Iranian group" and so on and so forth. Yes the Persians are indigenous from Iran. But we're scattered all across the Middle East. We are the second biggest ethnic groups in the region. That statement alone makes it seem like we're only in Iran when reality we're all over.
I wanted the very beginning to say something like Persians are an indigenous ethnic group and that we're the second biggest ethnic groups in the Middle East. << I jus wanted that part to be added in the very beginning so people can learn more about us. Persianprincess416 (talk) 07:38, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Persian is not really an ethnicity. In the Persian language you cannot say "I am Persian.". You can say you are Persian speaking. Compare it to Mandarin or Hindi. You cannot say you are Mandarin, you cannot say you are Hindi, but you can say you are Mandarin speaking and Hindi speaking. Persian is overused in the West. Everything Iranian became Persian in the West. Persian is solely a province and a language but not really an ethnic identity. Strictly speaking, people who only speak Persian have no specific ethnic identity. They are simply just Iranians who simply identify with their city or region (Tehrani, Shirazi, Esfehani, etc.), but they don't call themselves "Persian" since there is not even an equivalent to Persian in the Persian language in the ethnic sense, since it only refers to a province and language, as I already mentioned.
Persian is an ethnicity, Iranian is a nationality and those cities are from provinces in Iran Persianprincess416 (talk) 07:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Under related groups there is no information about Parsi people ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsis ) who migrated to India from Sassanid Iran following its conquest by Arab Muslims under the Rashidun Caliphate in the 7th century CE. Although there are differences in findings: “A study was conducted in 2017 which found that Parsis are genetically closer to Neolithic Iranians than to modern Iranians who have witnessed a more recent wave of admixture from the Near East, and that there were “48% South-Asian-specific mitochondrial lineages among the ancient samples, which might have resulted from the assimilation of local females during the initial settlement.” 2A01:4B00:8019:2900:3969:1C2A:EDED:43E (talk) 07:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Do Persia people come fromthe cucase mountain 2600:1008:B167:5A5C:D1F0:B49:E94F:198C (talk) 20:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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