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The building of the metro was finally started for the Exposition Universelle (1900), IIRC -- need to look it up. -- Tarquin 23:58, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The second image Image:Paris.metro.abbesses.jpg is very dark, what do you think User:MykReeve to adjust the brightness ? if it still have dark i can redo the picture since i live just right this metro station. -- Chmouel Boudjnah 02:16, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Here's something interesting I found:
"The PMP proposal was inspired by the Paris Metro system. Until about 15 years ago, when the rules were modified, the Paris Metro operated in a simple fashion, with 1st and 2nd class cars that were identical in number and quality of seats. The only difference was that 1st class tickets cost twice as much as 2nd class ones. (The Paris regional RER lines still operate on this basis.) The result was that 1st class cars were less congested, since only people who cared about being able to get a seat, etc., paid for 1st class. The system was self-regulating, in that whenever 1st class cars became too popular, some people decided they were not worth the extra cost, and traveled 2nd class, reducing congestion in 1st class and restoring the differential in quality of service between 1st and 2nd class cars."
http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/paris.metro.minimal.txt
This is a neat economics anecdote. But is it true? Perhaps someone who knows could say more about how it actually worked in practice, and why it was abandoned?
Is there any other more recent source for the number of stations? I did several counting based on the wikipedia list of stations and the RATP list of stations and I always arrive to the figure of 299 stations. Is the Funiculaire de Montmartre taken in to account? I have listed all the 299 stations and I can post it here for cheking for completeness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by G Furtado (talk • contribs) 13:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Section seems contradictory in stating that it was the origin of the word "metro" but then mentions an earlier train of the same name. Also questionable whether "metro" is the most common phrase used... at the very least citation needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.50.195.76 (talk) 20:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The article is a mess: there are too many pictures and very poor editing to put them in the right place. I'd offer to do the job of tidying up the article myself but I don't have the expertise, so I'm putting a Wikify request up.
One of the photos mentions an "automatic piloting carpet," but the article does not state what such a thing is. BlueH2O (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Of course, in case there are several different networks in the same station, we shouldn't forget redirections. For instance Invalides (Paris Metro) and Invalides (Paris RER) should both redirect to Invalides (Paris Metro and RER). It works already for that specific station but it should work the same way for all stations. This way, people could easily create a link to a station without having to worry about the exact name of its article. This rule should normally apply to all rail stations in Ile-de-France, outside of course the national rails stations which should keep their proper article as they don't relate to public transportation. As for the articles in themselves, I wonder if it's really necessary to create different article for stations which have different names but are connected to one another. For instance, I don't see any reason to have an article standing for Porte Maillot (Paris Metro) and another one standing for Neuilly - Porte Maillot (Paris RER). Probably a redirect of both of them to an article called Porte Maillot (Paris Metro and RER) would be clearer, even if we could of course create two different chapters for the line 1 station and the RER C station, mentioning their specific names and explaining the difference between both. In other words, I think the hub in itself is more important than the proper denomination of stations. Not only this would be clearer, but an article about a hub would certainly be also more interesting than two independent stubs. Metropolitan 12:35 6 April 2005 (UTC)
It's a shame this article has no information on how you use the Metro etc. Davidbod 14:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Now that the La Défense (Paris Metro, RER, and Transilien) station is connected and in use, the article should be updated accordingly. --John Nagle 06:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Obviously, the page doesn't appear the same on both browsers. Superbfc obviously use Firefox when I use Explorer, and in continuing to reorganize each of our changes so that they could fit our own brower without considering other ones. Obviously with Firefox, we can't put images on the left because it gets superimposed with the text. Furthermore, we can't either put images beside a table because both also get superimposed. On the other side, the main issue on Explorer comes from the fact that we get blank space on the text so that the first line of an article wouldn't be above an image which is coded above. Okay, I'll try once again to harmonize the display so that it would appear properly on both browsers. Metropolitan 17:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I post my question here rather than at Paris Metro Line 14 because I am afraid there would be less visitor. Anyway here's my question, does the rubber-tyred train on Line 14 still keep running on both rubber tyres and steel wheels as line 1/4/6/11? Have they omitted the conventional steel wheel part? -- Sameboat - 同舟 23:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry the traffic doubled in 2003 with the extention at Saint Lazare Before december 2003 175,000 passengers per average workdays after december 2003 350,000 at 400,000 passengers per average workdays a new extention will open in the first six-month period of 2007 It is the station Olympiade located in Paris biggest chinatown near the business district "Paris Rive Gauche" Minato ku 00:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Minato Ku
How do the maintainers of this article feel about merging the stop articles into this article? It would seem to me that articles such as Jules Joffrin (Paris Métro) do not contain much further information than could be listed in a table on this page. The other option may be created one article that is a list of all the stops on this subway system. Alan.ca 03:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I've just finished converting an old university project and made it live. It's MétEX, my virtual tour to the Paris Métro. I created it for my final-year project at university, and it took about 9 months to take pictures and sounds, research information, and create the website. I think it would be a valuable link to list here because it contains photos of all stations on Lines 3, 3bis, 6, 7bis, 10, 12 and 14, along with info I haven't seen in the articles.
Of course, since this is my own website I feel it's better to see what the rest of the editors think about this. Also, in case you were wondering, RATP gave me a photo permit and full permission to publish the website, on condition it remains non-commercial.
MétEX's URL is: http://metex.sblorgh.org/ - please let me know what you think. --PkerUNO 13:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
What is the English translation of "bis" in 3bis and 7bis?? Georgia guy 22:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this article talk too much about RER. This mislead people into thinking RER and metro are the same, this is not the case, they are completely different networks, and different widths, sharing only 1 connection near Vincennes maintenance facility.
For example, RER figures and pictures have nothing to do here.
RER should be strictly limited to a small history/interaction section and provide a link to the dedicated article.
Gonioul (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Does the average train speed of 35 km/h include the time the trains are stopped on stations?
I think it is relevant to clarify this, because if this is not the case, the actual travel speed is much lower due to the frequent stops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.242.141 (talk) 14:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The world beneath Paris and London, 1800-1945 by David L Pike - Publisher Ithaca, N.Y. : Cornell University Press, 2005. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/185179364. I could just check the snippet view and it sound interresting. --Anneyh (talk) 09:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
The article states the following:
These figures are inconsistent, as 4.5 * 365 = 1642,5. Either it should state that "It carries up to 4.5 million passengers a day" so it clarifies that this daily ridership is not equally distributed or either use the more appropiate 3.8 million passengers a day.
Also, if 4.5 is the peak ridership, it should include a reference on the source providing that figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.40.152.145 (talk) 10:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
4.5 million is not the peak ridership but the average weekday ridership. Minato ku (talk) 12:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
The following statement is incorrect: "there is no point in the city situated more than 400 meters away from a metro station".
(1) The statement should apply to buildings, not points; the Bois de Boulogne is not included. (2) The statement applies only within the inner city (department 75). (3) The intersection of Rue de Bagnolet and Rue de Pyrenees is at least 600 meters from the nearest station.
The statement should be: "almost all buildings in the city are within 600 meters of a metro station". David Fairthorne (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph of this section does not make much sense ("still worked as this" is unclear). The last sentence ("Motors = Westinghouse v/s (?).") is not a complete sentence and should be rectified. Shubhayu Chatterjee (talk) 06:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
The full first paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Métro#Rolling_stock looks unfounded and like personal opinion to me. A button or lever is a fairly standard way to open a door in most metro systems around Europe (if not the world). I am pretty sure I have opened subway doors manually in these cities: Budapest, Copenhagen, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Madrid, Munich 134.171.38.53 (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I agree with 134.171.38.53 above. That whole paragraph is also entirely unsourced. If no source is provided, I will remove it after a period of time. 72.80.205.54 (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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What's the point in offering the conversion between km and miles? According to the manual of style that's just needed in us- or uk-related articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.251.83.52 (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I think this article's "History" section needs to be its own article. It's quite long. Epicgenius(talk to me • see my contributions) 21:08, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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I think that everybody will agree that English version Paris metro article is lacking of informations.
Many details are outdated and even wrong by now.
Big changes need to be done, I am working on restructuring this article and any help would be welcome.
I think using the French article as base is not a bad idea although we must not just make a copy paste.
Minato ku (talk) 00:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
"Such a large project required a private-public arrangement right from the outset."
True, but there's more to the story than this.
"PRIVATE VERSUS MUNICIPAL CONSTRUCTION.-The subways of Paris included in the Metropolitan system are built and owned by the city and leased, equipped and operated by a private company. This confirms to the practice provided by the first general law for the construction of railroads in France, of June 11, 1842. This law provided for the construction of the roadbed at public expense and for equipment with tracks and rolling stock by the operating company. Subsequently the policy of granting aid to new railroads through a government guarantee of a minimum profit became quite general and is still much used.
"The city had a choice between these two systems: (1) municipal construction and ownership and (2) guarantee of a minimum profit to a private company. If the city built the subway the term of the concession could be much shortened. It is a universal custom in France to require that a railway structure shall revert without payment to the city or state at the expiration of the term of the concession. To provide for the amortization of invested capital it was estimated that a 75-year term would be necessary if the company should construct the subways, while a 35-year term would be sufficient with municipal construction. The city could borrow money at 3.3%, including amortization, while the capial secured by a private company would average 5.5 %, including amortization.* It was estimated that the city's financial risk would be less if it should build and lease the subways than if it should guarantee a minimum interest on the investment of a private company. In addition, the terms of the concession would be less than half as long as would be required under private construction, and the city would be able to exert a more continuous and effective control over the development and operation of the subway system.
"But while the city assumed the building of the subway proper, including the tunnels and viaducts, the entire equipment of the roadbed thus furnished was left to the operating company. The company provides the track, power plant, electrical equipment, shops, cars, station entrances, ticket booths and in fact the entire station excepting the platforms. This division of responsibility seems logical. It does not seem desirable for the city to supply the operating company with equipment that is subject to rapid depreciation. This would seem to be a rule applicable generally to relations between lessor and lessee. It is desirable that the lessee should have a direct financial interest in the permanent upkeep of all equipment subject to rapid depreciation.
"PRIVATE VERSUS MUNICIPAL OPERATION.- Though there was a very considerable sentiment in favor of municipal operation of the subway system, private operation was decided on. The vote in the special commission of the city council was 14 to 10 in favor of private operation. It was urged that this was a new and untried system of transportation and that the city ought not to undertake it until the success of the system had been demonstrated and its principles established. But the principal reason for the choice of private operation was the fact that under the existing decisions of the Council of State and the attitude of the State Department of Public Works and of Parliament, it was thought that a proposal for municipal operation would be vetoed.*"
Reference: Whitten, Robert H. 1911. The Paris Subway System - With Special Reference to Franchise Terms and Conditions. Engineering News, 65,3:70-75, (January 19, 1911), page 70
Obviously, this is too long for insertion into the article; hope that other editors will read this over and provide feedback as to what should go in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.208.114.12 (talk) 20:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
There are map of the Paris Metro on Commons which is used (in two place) in the WikiPedia Français article. It seems to me that it would be sensible to include it somewhere in this article as well. Lavateraguy (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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