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Anyone know what translation of Works and Days is being used in the article for the quotes? Paul August ☎ 09:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
This article cites Hesiod's Theogony, repeatedly, but Pandora is not in that poem. In Works and Days, the name "Pandora" specifically comes from the fact that "all who lived on Olympus gave a gift" (81-82). In the Theogony (560ff), the text says that only Hephaestus and Athena contribute to the woman that is made. Ergo, she cannot be Pandora.
Furthermore, Athena's role isn't even the same in the two poems. In Theogony, she gives the woman a veil. In W&D, she teaches Pandora how to weave.
Significantly, the unnamed woman in Theogony is identified as the first woman, but Pandora does not receive that label. Furthermore, the woman in Theogony has no jar of evils to open, a la Pandora in W&D.
In both cases, a woman is made because Zeus is mad at Prometheus, but there is no indication that one should interpret them as one and the same. Doing so is to read the texts with the mindset that Hesiod was trying to write sacred texts (in a Biblical sense) that should be reconciled with each other. But he explicitly tells us that this is not what he's doing. W&D is designed to teach his brother not to be an ass. Theogony is the Muses' version of how Zeus came to power. Neither one disguises its purpose. Meshing the two poems into one sacred narrative of creations ignores the stated goal of each.
I'm not going to change the page itself because there is a fair amount of talk by people who seem pretty invested in this, but I maintain that talking about the woman in Theogony and Pandora in W&D as identical and drawing evidence from both, without even acknowledging the vastly different nature of the two poems is a misuse of the evidence.
Cme244, (talk) 03:16, 7 September 2017 (UTC): C. Erlinger CME244
Copied from my talk page:
Thanks for spotting the error in my recent edit to Pandora's box. I'm currently working on 'modern' literary and artistic interpretations of Pandora and remembered the detail that Hera gifted her with curiosity without checking the Hesiod source. Hera's gift is mentioned in any number of post 2000 books but I can't find any old and reputable source that does so. I'll continue looking, because it bothers me where that story comes from; but if you already know, I'd be grateful if you could give me the reference. My best guess is that it was slipped into the 15th C Latin version of Hesiod, or it may be in the Calderon drama. Sweetpool50 (talk) 11:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I notice your name as among the editors of the Pandora article, so I guess you may eventually be looking at the additions I uploaded this evening. If the last section there seems to end abruptly, that's because there is another to follow. So far I wanted to integrate bits taken from already existing sections into a new context. It was all getting rather complicated, so I decided to go ahead with what I had so far. I may not get another chance for a day or two! Sweetpool50 (talk) 22:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
End of copied text
Paul August ☎ 17:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Misogyny is a pretty subjective term. I disagree with including the term in the lead. I am going to be bold and remove it. If you disagree with this edit, feel free to undo, just please comment in here explaining why you feel it should be undone. JDDJS (talk) 21:37, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
The title of the painting in the 'Works and Days' section by Josef Abel is 'Prometheus, Merkur, and die Pandora' in German, which translates to 'Prometheus, Mercury, and Pandora' in English. The seated figure is Prometheus, not Zeus. Hence why the same painting is used on the 'Prometheus' page in German Wikipedia.
Pandora is the standing female figure on the left, made evident by the pithos she holds; and Prometheus, recognizable by the fact he's holding a torch, is trying to protect Man (his creation) from her. Zeus is not in this painting. Sweetpool50 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.21.186.182 (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Dilidor has removed a sourced statement from the lede and deleted another that is sourced in a later section with the misleading summary "gross over-linking; removing absurd statement that Pandora influenced Jewish theology". He should explain here first the justification for such heavy-handed removal of sourced material. Sweetpool50 (talk) 19:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Nobody knows why she got the box somebody else could have gotten it from Zeus. So why her? 203.218.160.94 (talk) 06:50, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
The statement "It has been argued that Hesiod's interpretation of Pandora's story went on to influence both Jewish and Christian theology..." needs a reference. Who argued this and what was the argument? Any statement starting with "It has been argued..." comes across as an unsupported attribution (aka "Weasel Words"). JessIAm (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
The article currently does not cite Hera or explain why Zeus gave her the box; both are questions discussed above.
(I don’t know how to tell if they are reliable enough). MBG02 (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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